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Posted by: Adopted4, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 12:13am
I've broken out in hives all over my neck and chest and am not sure why.

I made a spicy steak and veggie stir-fry dinner for my family (very non-compliant for me) and had a taste of it. It had cubanelle and jalapeno peppers in it and it made my mouth tingle even with the small amount I consumed. I ate greek yogurt with cinnamon, pine nuts, and cane syrup for dinner. I'm wondering if the hives are related to something I ate earlier or perhaps even yesterday? I've been eating a fair amount of peanut butter lately, but I've never known myself to be sensitive to it.

I've heard specific allergies can be genetic, and my mom has always been sensitive to fresh pineapple. It's never bothered me before, or so I thought, but I had some in a fruit salad at lunch.

I don't know what else to conclude and there must be a dietary trigger. I haven't been unusually stressed out which I know can cause hives. What in the world would cause such a sudden outbreak? I have also been on deflect and polyflora the last few weeks and I thought my health was improving.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 1:04am; Reply: 1
Stinging nettle leaf i find one on the best for reducing hives for me.

Vitamin C Helps me as well.

Quercetin does not help me, but works for other As.

I might also up the dosage of deflect.

Of the foods listed the meat would be the most likely to give me hives, but I would probably just get headaches if it was only a small amount of beef.

The peppers would not give me hives, but would some people.  Other spices, particularly a commercial spice mix in the food, that might well give me hives.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 11:22am; Reply: 2
I'm thinking "spice mix" too.   With the summer humidity it might've gone moldy.  You're also surrounded by environmental allergens .....
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 12:28pm; Reply: 3
Some peanutbutter was recalled.. Check yours out, especially if it was in the fridge long..

For me hives are usually 10 minutes after I eat some avoid..  

Another thought... If you have been especially perfect = not eating any avoids for some time, then sometimes = the body reacts much more strongley to avoids, letting you know what it thinks of your actions.. haha - all good deeds  and you know the rest..  

If the allergic reaction does not go away soon enough, or is severe, or affects the throat, always have Bendril with you. as reaction times might get shorter and more severe with every exposure.  

Reactions should not last more then 10 minutes.. time to be compliant and keeping track of each item you ate.. to eliminate the specific item in furure..  

At the same time, never let fear take over, it can settle in your mind and become a seperate issue, one you do not need....

Always, just drink loads of water as soon as you break out (like when you test what some suggested -the spices - or other foods)  ..

Is it not interesting how fast the body reacts and lets you know if yoy have been good or noughty??
Posted by: Adopted4, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 12:28am; Reply: 4
24 hours later after the onset of the hives and healing is at least 50% complete.

I had stinging nettle and quercetin in the house so I took several doses of each today, a few hours apart of each other. In addition to my normal lemon/lime beverage first thing in the morning, I added a couple tablespoons of raw ACV (non-compliant on my SWAMI but is well known for its anti-allergy properties) and sprinkled some turmeric in the drink. It was powerful and very nasty tasting, but hives seemed to gradually fade throughout the day.

I haven't eaten anything questionable today, but I will try a little peanut butter tomorrow. I don't think that it is a problem since I ate it many hours before the breakout, though. I don't know of anything environmental or out of the ordinary that would have brought it on. It'll be trial and error for a while until I figure it out, that is if I figure it out.

People talk about the body going through occasional healing crisis' so I wonder if that has something to do with it since I've been taking the polyflora and deflect supplements for a few weeks now.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 2:54am; Reply: 5
You've never had any reactions to seafood have you? No hives, dark urine, etc.?
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 5:40am; Reply: 6
24 hour is a long time for hives.  Yes, please find out what it was that triggered a reaction.  I do think you should have meds at home, if Benadrill is medicine.. You could have a dangerous situation developing.  A minor breakout might focus on breathing, and time could be of essence.  

Have you changed soaps or some other thing?

Could you use the peanutbutter on your skin instead of eating it?  

one other possibility.. has your house changed?  we had a case of soemone having plugged in a humidifyer, and she got severe outbreaks, --- after much testing it cma from her rugs..
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 10:40am; Reply: 7

Just recently, Chinese imported pine nuts of a non-culinary variety have been implicated in some odd reactions. Especially if they've been eaten raw. Contamination might be another concern.

Also, sun poisoning looks a lot like hives. My wife is very susceptible to it.

Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, July 11, 2013, 11:23am; Reply: 8
as Averno said... those pine nuts can also leave such reactions as they might do for a metall tastings while having eaten in a  salad ;) :P :-/
btw would go for a higher intake of vit.C..all about between 3-6 grams daily should do the trick  :D
Posted by: Adopted4, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 9:00pm; Reply: 9
O.K. the hives went away completely last night, as I figured since they were fading away during the day yesterday.

I ate tunafish salad on rice cakes with fresh pineapple on the side without any problems (the tuna is from BPA free cans) for lunch. Fish has never bothered me in the past. Then I ate peanut butter right out of the jar for a snack and no hives have reappeared.

Goldie, thank you for your concern. I've had reactions like this in the past, and often times I haven't been able to figure out what triggers it. It did make me nervous initially the first couple times it happened and yes I would have anti-histamines around to deal with it. But, the hives always show up in the same area of my body (collar bones and upper chest) and mysteriously disappear after a day or so and has never remotely affected my breathing. So, I don't get too concerned about life-threatening reactions. It would be nice to be able to identify what triggers the hives most of the time. And no I haven't changed soaps or detergents and our house has a continuous running air purifier and dehumidifier running in the house so I don't believe the reaction was environmental.

Averno, I haven't had a lot of exposure to the sun as it is July in Maryland and is always hot and humid here, so I try to avoid any extended stays in the sun. You and Amazone may have hit the nail on the head in suggesting pine nuts as a possible trigger. I don't eat them very often but I know I've had a few here or there sprinkled on salads. The pine nuts I ate the other day were the last of the bag, so I wasn't able to look at the bag to see where they were from. But, they were organic so I'm not sure if that would lower the odds of a reaction to them.

Amazone, I don't prefer taking vitamin C supplementation as I have a very sensitive stomach and even buffered and powdered vitamin C, which is what we keep in the house, bothers my stomach if I take more than 200-300 mg a couple times a day. So, I don't usually bother with it and continuously drink lemon/lime beverages and sometimes grapefruit or pineapple juice to get my Vitamin C until I'm healed of whatever is ailing me.

Thanks for all the suggestions and support everyone.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 9:30pm; Reply: 10
I'm glad you're feeling better today.

It's probably a good idea to keep benadryl in the house, even if you never use it. Life threatening allergic reactions can happen at any time, to either you, a family member, or a guest. It's something I always keep on hand "just in case of an emergency." I keep some in my purse too.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 10:12pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I'm glad you're feeling better today.

It's probably a good idea to keep benadryl in the house, even if you never use it. Life threatening allergic reactions can happen at any time, to either you, a family member, or a guest. It's something I always keep on hand "just in case of an emergency." I keep some in my purse too.

Then, there are people like me who react to Benadryl with chest pain.  :o So I have to resort to Vitamin C, Quercetin, etc.
Posted by: kescah, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 11:16pm; Reply: 12
It's nice to avoid drugs where possible, especially when you react to them. ;D

A safer bet is homeopathic Apis. I keep a vial of Apis 30c with me at all times for more severe allergic reactions. It is even good for anaphylactic shock, but when it is that severe a 200c works better. For a mild case, use a 6c- just so you don't overstimulate the healing.

For a bug bite or bee sting that reacts, Ledum is better- and it is also good for puncture wounds.

It does sound like the sun, Adopted- since you said that it is your upper chest and collarbones. You said you haven't been out in it much, but sometimes it does not take much. I have a friend who, when she was younger (before good homeopathic care) reacted terribly to the sun that crept into her house under and around the heavy drapes she kept pulled day and night. She was terribly sick from it, and she was treated with Natrum Muriaticum successfully. Let me add that if you try that, be SURE to start with a 6c, no higher, for a couple of months. Then you can ascend to a 12c, 30c if needed. This is very important with allergies, because overstimulating the healing (called an aggravation in homeopathy) can mean swelling of the throat which can be fatal.

When I break out on my upper chest it is from the sun. That is where the sun hits me in my spring clothes.

I had psoriasis on my hands and arms, and it was irritating, but when we went to Hawaii, guess what. I got hives underneath it, but did not recognize that. It was so miserable that it wore me out, making my immunity worse and worse. I didn't realize there were hives under it for four months. I finally started on the Nat Mur 6c and got some relief.

This is not medical advice- this is information. Do with it as you will.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 12, 2013, 12:12am; Reply: 13
pop the deflect asap
Posted by: Adopted4, Saturday, July 13, 2013, 12:20am; Reply: 14
I've never been comfortable with Benadryl or the generic identical form of it because of how it made me feel; extremem drowsiness, lightheadedness, and ironically enough insomnia if taken at night. SInce I've started taking better care of myself in recent years I feel comfortable dealing with these types of reactions through supplements such as quercetin or stinging neddle, as well as liquid tonics containing anti-allergy and cleansing properties such as lemon juice, raw ACV, a pinch of baking soda, and turmeric. Sometimes I would also take vitamin C if it seemed necessary, even though it bothers my stomach often times. I also believe these liquid tonics will work faster than pills or drugs, thus warding off any potential life-threatening reactions (as I said before has never happened to me before).

I hear what you're saying Ruth and I appreciate your concern. However, I don't have a lot of association with the explorer genotype which I'm sure would put me at a much higher risk for a severe or anaphylactic reaction to a foreign substance. Even the more reactive genotypes in my family respond well with the above natural treatments, although my husband doesn't mind taken cold medicine with antihistamines occasionally when he has a cough due to a cold.

Kescah, I haven't heard of Ledum or Apis but will look into those. Were you saying Apis is only injectable? One of my daughters has a reactive immune system and she gets some pretty gigantic bug bites in the summer time. The Ledum might be good to have around for her.
Posted by: kescah, Saturday, July 13, 2013, 4:12am; Reply: 15
It is not injectable, no. It is little sugary pills that melt in your mouth. It was great treating my babies with that kind of medicine- they loved it!

The sugar is actually homeopathically prepared milk-sugar. Even if you are allergic to milk sugar, since it is prepared thus, it will not hurt you and it will even treat the allergy.

You can get the more common homeopathic remedies at the health food stores these days. Both Ledum and Apis are common remedies.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 3:57am; Reply: 16
hmm, I had a reaction to raw macadamia nuts yesterday.  They were from South Africa and "may contain wheat, milk, eggs and tree nuts."  Itchy mouth and throat.  Bummer @ $10 for 1/2 pound.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 4:12am; Reply: 17
Try them again in 4 days.. just to be certain.. have Benadrill nearby.. just to be safer..   I might try two types... as is and washe them first .. giving it a real trial for future use...

It would not be surprized... Its a black dot.. maybe ok for some twice a year..

Then again, I do react with rashes the more clean my body is of avoids.. I become hyper sensitive when I was good for a long time... avoiding even neutrals.  

On the other hand for that overall rash.. maybe goldbond powder might be helpful.. especially in summer.
Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 5:56pm; Reply: 18
I'll be shopping at my wholesale club later in the week, so I will buy another bag of pine nuts and give it a try again. If it does bother me, at least I have type O's in my family that eat them without any problems.

SquarePeg, I hope you can give your macadamia nuts to someone instead of throwing them out. I try to include "problematic" foods in dishes I make for potlucks when I know others will eat it.
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 6:45pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Adopted4
I'll be shopping at my wholesale club later in the week, so I will buy another bag of pine nuts and give it a try again. If it does bother me, at least I have type O's in my family that eat them without any problems.

Kirkland? I eat these all the time. Toasted-- by all means toast them. Kills pathogens. I do the whole bag in three batches, then freeze them in a fresh container.

But... there was a period awhile back when they were being harvested from the wrong tree species, and this caused a lot of trouble for people. Most notably the metallic taste that Isa noted above, which could persist for weeks. Aside from the usual pathogens, hives could be a sensitivity to this non-culinary pine nut. Were the ones you ate a bit old? They may have been on the shelf or warehoused for a very long time before you bought them, which could place them in the time period of the imported baddies. Or maybe the exporter is up to it's old tricks...

I still wouldn't rule out sun poisoning, either. My wife gets it on her neck and chest from as little as 10 minutes of unprotected exposure. If you're prone (and it can start at any time), it doesn't take much.

Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 8:58pm; Reply: 20
The hives were not caused by sun exposure because this time of year I avoid extended exposures to the sun. Heat and humidity (which we have a lot of in MD) makes me feel queasy and often times gives me headaches. I was not outside on Tuesday when the hives broke out, except maybe to step outside briefly to take trash out or walk out to the car. I did go outside in the late morning on Wednesday when it was overcast to play ball with my daughter for a half hour or so until we started feeling warm and sweaty when the sun started peaking out. By then the hives were starting to fade slightly and continued to during the day and evening. The times I've had hives there's never seemed to be any correlation to the weather or seasons. I'm convinced there are just changes in my immune system that cause me to be more or less vulnerable to certain allergens.

Last year, when I was traveling and not eating really compliant for a while, I had minor hives coming and going for weeks, even after I got home. One night, soon after arriving home, I broke out in hives that were quite itchy and uncomfortable when they had been completely gone for a couple days. It occurred to me that I had been eating strawberries frequently and that evening I had a bunch of beautiful juicy strawberries. I quit eating them cold turkey and the hives never came back until this last break-out. What I do want to say, however, is that not long ago I decided to eat some strawberries that I had purchased for the family. I had a very small amount the first time, and then a slightly larger portion a couple days later. I had no reaction whatsoever, but I still tend to think they had a lot to do with the problems I was having last year since I was consuming them so frequently.

Averno, our closest wholesale club is BJ's where I buy a great deal of our groceries.
Posted by: Adopted4, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 3:28am; Reply: 21 good deed goes unpunished.

My husband has been on travel for the 2nd consecutive week and insisted that I take the kids to the pool once or twice while he's gone, since he is the one that usually takes them.

We have had more moderate temperatures this week (like 90 degrees instead of 95-100 degrees) and today appeared to be the best day to go. It was cloudy and overcast, and we agreed we'd stay about 1 1/2 hours. I figured whatever peaks of sun came out it wouldn't be too hot and I shouldn't have a problem with sun burns since my skin is somewhat dark and had frequent sun exposure this spring.

Here's what happened. I didn't realize my spring tan on my neck, arms, and shoulders had faded as much as it had since I haven't had much direct sun exposure since the weather got hot in June. Part of the time it was overcast, but then the sun came out about the second half of our time at the pool. It definitely didn't help that someone stole my sunglasses and when the sun came out, I was having a hard time seeing what was going on and had to keep my back turned to the sun to make it bearable to watch my young daughter. I had a one-piece bathing suit, but it's a bit low cut in the back, so of course my back got seriously sunburned. I'm also a little burned on my shoulders and arms.

Here's what's weird. The sunburn just looks like a sunburn, but I developed some hives on my lower torso on the front and back where my bathing suit covered my skin. Don't worry, I've taken extra quercetin and drank an anti-allergy tonic, so I'm not at all concerned about an anaphylactic reaction, which as I"ve said before has never happened to me. BTW, that next bag of pine nuts I mentioned I would buy from BJ's........well, I had some in my fruit salad at lunch before I went to the pool. I guess I'll have to wait until my skin clears up before I try some again and then see if they make me break out.

I know, my immune system is weird; that's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 4:00am; Reply: 22
Poor you!! don't worry I (& a lot of us) understand what it is like to have weirs immune systems... ::)

Sounds to me as if you reacted to the material your swimsuit is made from - which is possible? Was it wet? If so, could there be a connection to the chlorine impregnation as well?
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 5:52am; Reply: 23
Heat priklies are not the biggest concern for today..  but the extra heat from the suit might cause more damage.  

As for the nuts.. well you will soon find out.. Yet:

I would like to have you take a loooooong cold shower to cool your body off and then stay cool for some hours.  The heat on the body keeps burning for hours and only cooling the skin will stop additional burns.  

Also keep a wet towel on your skin until you are all cooled of. as for ypour eyes swollen from the sun, keep cooling with a cold water towel.. _

_ I do not think you need any ice as that can burn you in a different way.  

Cool water is enough but keep changing the towel from side to side to keep cooling as much as you can stand.  good luck.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 6:54am; Reply: 24
btw be happy for such reactions even underlined with a little fever coz it shows up that your body is still able to regulate itself ;) ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)(whistle)
Posted by: Adopted4, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 7:43pm; Reply: 25
Feeling O.K. today but uncomfortable on the upper back and left shoulder/neck area where the sunburn is the worst. The hives/bumps on my lower torso are gone and were probably a result of the bathing suit and chlorinated water.

Oh yes, I also got a new pair of cheap sunglasses that I really like. Thanks for the support friends.
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