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Posted by: Rachel D, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:02pm
How does one go about healing the gut? Does it happen with strict adherance to the diet? With supplements and probiotics? I'm curious about the GAPS diet but not sure if it works with this.
Posted by: Joy, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:07pm; Reply: 1
You will probably be getting a post from Lola when she gets a chance.  

She will be able to give you the best links to read and she has the most up to date information.

Joy
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:29pm; Reply: 2
GAPS is similar to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet™.

It does not consider blood type or any of the other customizing factors considered in SWAMI diet plans.

To know how close/compatible GAPS was to your SWAMI diet plan, I would need to go through your SWAMI plan and compare each individual food there with how the food is treated in GAPS.

Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 9:00pm; Reply: 3
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/18.html
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/27.html

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/2.html

http://www.4yourtype.com/2013_newsletter_v10n01.asp#Peter
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 9:20pm; Reply: 4
Rachel-- getting a breath hydrogen would give you a base line on your gut health.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 10:56pm; Reply: 5
Swami and protocols.
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 11:36pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Rachel D
How does one go about healing the gut? Does it happen with strict adherance to the diet? With supplements and probiotics? I'm curious about the GAPS diet but not sure if it works with this.


Skip GAPS. Grab some stuff recommended by Lola.

It is really about getting your immune system called down. It'll happen as you detox. But to encourage that keeping a good barrier of proper digestion, absorption and balance, will matter. Those protocols are focused on encouraging healing and avoiding damage from offensivable things.

Are you getting your exercise? Can not overstate it for Explorers. When Explorers get really old and stop moving around the end is near. If they can get up and move they just never die.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, January 7, 2013, 3:28am; Reply: 7
Good question, and good answers. We are all individuals, so if addressing the regular known culprits doesn't do the trick, you may have something unusual you'll have to figure out on your own.
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, January 7, 2013, 4:24am; Reply: 8
I am also the position of healing the gut; keep checking in with other regulars on this site; one can learn a lot.  Different approaches work for different people; it's a matter of finding what works for you.  Sometimes it can add more stress trying to adhere strictly to diet, even low fodmaps diet, or SCD.  For me, it's about tuning in to your body and when things don't work, having the wisdom to change something.  Some people can't afford supplements, I personally have taken supplements since my twenties; most did not benefit, my health went downhill as I continued to eat grains and too much sugar, fruits and not a balanced diet or lifestyle.  If I would choose one or two supplements, it would definitely be the right probiotic for your BT; followed by some oil (cod liver) or herb (??slippery elm) to soothe the inflammation in the gut. Additional stress management (ie meditation, yoga, etc) may help, as anxiety/worry continues to weaken the whole system (look up spleen/pancreas energy on TCM sites).  The offending foods need to be eliminated from diet, as these continue to inflame the gut and the body sees them as toxins which also stresses the liver, and weaken spleen/pancreas meridien energy; which in turns affects emotional health/stablity, and long term health.
Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 7, 2013, 9:24pm; Reply: 9
I have poyflora, deflect, and ghee and have been using them a little. They do help but I'm almost out. I just can't afford anything right now :(
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, January 7, 2013, 9:50pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Rachel D
I have poyflora, deflect, and ghee and have been using them a little. They do help but I'm almost out. I just can't afford anything right now :(


Do you buy ghee? It is much more economical to make your own and easy. There is a thread floating around about it. Perhaps someone who is more adept than I am on the board will fetch it for you.

Also, next time you purchase polyflora, ferment some almond or rice milk with it to make yoghurt and hold some back as a starter to get the newer batch inoculated.  :)

Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 7, 2013, 10:08pm; Reply: 11
The one I have right now is store bought because I felt as if I needed the garantee of casein and lactose free. I seemed to react to the batch I made at home. Rice and almond milk are avoids for me. I've never tried to make either or yogurt.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 7, 2013, 10:22pm; Reply: 12
When you make ghee, be sure to simmer it long enough for the milk solids to all sink to the bottom and turn golden brown.  It's a step beyond making just Clarified butter.

I use a little ghee daily and still take an Intrinsia and a couple of Polyflora capsules every day.  I suffered from IBS for decades and even after a decade on the Blood Type Diet, I was not able to completely heal my gut until I eliminated all gluten from my diet.  Interestingly, when I got my SWAMI a couple of years ago, I am instructed to be gluten-free.

What does your SWAMI tell you about gluten and dairy for yourself?
Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:26pm; Reply: 13
It gives me low gluten choices and the cheeses vary according to my secreter status which I don't know. The last cheese I tried was mozzeralla and it gave me the same nasal blockage/ ear pain as all dairy products normally do.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 2:33am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Rachel D
It gives me low gluten choices and the cheeses vary according to my secreter status which I don't know. The last cheese I tried was mozzeralla and it gave me the same nasal blockage/ ear pain as all dairy products normally do.


Do you think you could make it without the gluten and dairy 100%, at least for a few weeks to see if there might be a big difference?  It will take longer than that for your gut to heal, but maybe in that time you could see if those two foods are sabotaging your efforts.

Generally, properly made ghee should not give you a bad dairy reaction unless your SWAMI says to avoid it.
Posted by: Rachel D, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 3:05am; Reply: 15
I have made it longer than that without gluten and dairy. I'm not having any, other than the store ghee and I don't think it bothers me. Right now the problem is sugar, not enough to no veggies, small amounts of corn, soy, and other avoids, and just not having food in general. I had a banana and cookie (GF flour, shortening, chocolate, white sugar) for breakfast, sardines for lunch, and scrambled eggs with GF pancakes topped with agave and margarine. I just don't have the foods I need here :(  just in survival mode.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 5:22am; Reply: 16
My Genotype book is out on loan so I can't look this up: how long did Dr. D say it could take for our white lines to go away after making the dietary changes that will heal our gut?
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 8:22am; Reply: 17
Up to a year is normal, even after healing. I think that is what it was...
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 2:29pm; Reply: 18
Thanks.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 4:38pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from TJ
My Genotype book is out on loan so I can't look this up: how long did Dr. D say it could take for our white lines to go away after making the dietary changes that will heal our gut?


Quoted Text
Up to a year is normal, even after healing. I think that is what it was...


Don't be too disappointed if all of the white lines aren't gone in this time frame, though...  The body sets priority for healing and there may be something that is higher priority within the body...  It depends on your specific history.
Posted by: Rachel D, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 1:34am; Reply: 20
I'm really not sure how much healing my gut needs. I don't think I have white lines in my fingerprints, maybe 3 on my left thumb but I think that's it. By white lines, are they typically horizontal and look like cracks? My fingerprints come out pretty good. Can there be vertical white lines? I have what I can only describe as wrinkly looking lines that just barely show up in my print. When I see others with white lines they are all deep looking and horizontal.

What got me thinking about healing the gut was the fact that I get really bad morning breath depending on how compliant I am and thought it might be fermentation in the gut. Recently I've noticed that sugar (even organic apple juice) seems to be making that worse and honey caused mucous in my throat and pain in my ear just like milk does. Now I'm wondering if one of the reasons why dairy gives me so much trouble could be because of the sugars? And I'm wondering if a reaction to honey might be pointing to nonnie. Hmmm..
Posted by: ApplesCarrotsnGrain, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 3:57am; Reply: 21
I hear you on the survival mode! I've been there but now I'm trying a more active approach rather than sitting back and eating what's at hand. I made beef and vegetable soup tonight with veggies I'm allowed for Gatherer. It was delicious!

I don't know how long the healing takes because I'm still fine tuning the getting off the gluten and dairy. What I've noticed is that my body and gut went from being sort of passive about the gluten (hit and miss on bad reactions) to slowly being worse and worse. Now I can't even cheat on a couple of fried mushrooms without feeling it. Same with dairy. I could handle yogurt and cheese but not milk or ice cream. This week sour cream and cheese made me pay badly on two different occassions. I'm now a believer and will stay the hell away from gluten and dairy!! I'm going to crack down on all of my avoids.

Oh, and I'm a sjogren's and lupus gal....autoimmune is my middle name right now.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 4:14am; Reply: 22
Quoted from Rachel D
By white lines, are they typically horizontal and look like cracks? My fingerprints come out pretty good. Can there be vertical white lines? I have what I can only describe as wrinkly looking lines that just barely show up in my print. When I see others with white lines they are all deep looking and horizontal.


The white lines Dr. D is referring to are horizontal lines.  :)
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 4:17am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Rachel D
I don't think I have white lines in my fingerprints, maybe 3 on my left thumb but I think that's it. By white lines, are they typically horizontal and look like cracks?  When I see others with white lines they are all deep looking and horizontal.

They don't have to be real deep to show up, but the horizontal ones are indicative of needing to heal the gut.

Quoted from Rachel D
What got me thinking about healing the gut was the fact that I get really bad morning breath depending on how compliant I am and thought it might be fermentation in the gut. Recently I've noticed that sugar (even organic apple juice) seems to be making that worse and honey caused mucous in my throat and pain in my ear just like milk does.

Too much sugar can cause grief in the gut, but it varies per individual just like almost everything else.
Posted by: ApplesCarrotsnGrain, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 4:30am; Reply: 24
What do the vertical lines mean? I have both horizontal and vertical.
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 5:57pm; Reply: 25
Oh, and I'm a sjogren's and lupus gal....autoimmune is my middle name right now.
I'd be looking hard at the Hunter diet is I was you.
Posted by: DoS, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 6:37pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Rachel D
I'm really not sure how much healing my gut needs. I don't think I have white lines in my fingerprints, maybe 3 on my left thumb but I think that's it. By white lines, are they typically horizontal and look like cracks? My fingerprints come out pretty good. Can there be vertical white lines? I have what I can only describe as wrinkly looking lines that just barely show up in my print. When I see others with white lines they are all deep looking and horizontal.


Are you saying your ridge height is low? (butter fingers? like they are slick) Ridge as in the lines the make up the fingerprint are not that deep, sort of hard to see by just looking at them?
Posted by: Rachel D, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 8:34pm; Reply: 27
That's not what I was saying but now that I look at it the ironic thing is I can see the ridges better on my thumbs. The only places with white lines. So maybe low ridges. What does that mean?
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 10:04pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Rachel D
I have made it longer than that without gluten and dairy. I'm not having any, other than the store ghee and I don't think it bothers me. Right now the problem is sugar, not enough to no veggies, small amounts of corn, soy, and other avoids, and just not having food in general. I had a banana and cookie (GF flour, shortening, chocolate, white sugar) for breakfast, sardines for lunch, and scrambled eggs with GF pancakes topped with agave and margarine. I just don't have the foods I need here :(  just in survival mode.


I am sorry to hear this, and I can relate to you Rachel. I feel like my budget is so limited and I keep eating things that are not avoids, but really not helping me. Some are avoids, though.. within the product.

Hang in there, just take whatever money you do have and purchase protein!!! That is what I am trying to do and it seems to be better. And... greens! I eat alot of lettuce, spinach and kale to fill me up and then top off with protein. It works, but you have to be diligent with the hope that you will get some more money soon.

THoughts are with you. Think positive.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 10:05pm; Reply: 29
And.. I am also in the process of healing the gut, I struggled with eating fruit or sugar to compensate for lack of money. Ridiculous. We have the CHOICE.
:)
Posted by: Rachel D, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 10:16pm; Reply: 30
Thanks Marjorie. I'm trying to stay positive and I'm doing a little better. Hard to stay away from sweets (chocolate, apple juice, grapes, bananas) as I'm used to that to end my meal and feel like I need it to completely be full
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 10:46pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Rachel D
Thanks Marjorie. I'm trying to stay positive and I'm doing a little better. Hard to stay away from sweets (chocolate, apple juice, grapes, bananas) as I'm used to that to end my meal and feel like I need it to completely be full


Totally get it. I am with you, no worries. I know you can do it, we are stronger than we think.

Going to PM you:)
Posted by: Lin, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 11:23pm; Reply: 32
Rachel,
When the fingerprints are worn down it is a sign the gut needs help.  Mine were really worn down and are improving slowly.  Totally understand that desire for something sweet after a meal, I find at night that kicks in.    A doctor (Naturopah/Traditional) told me that is usually a sign of needing more digestive enzymes.
Hang in there we all have our ups and downs.
Lin
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:10pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Rachel D
...Right now the problem is sugar, not enough to no veggies, small amounts of corn, soy, and other avoids...


Don't underestimate the impact that even small amounts of avoids have on your gut, or the importance of gut-healing in the "Big Picture".  Read those ingredient labels, and resolve to reduce packaged or prepared food as much as possible. It may seem rather daunting at first, but re-learning how you shop, store, and prepare your foods --as well as what you'll actually be eating-- will result in a sense of wellness you may never have experienced. Once you've abandoned the "common" diet in favor of this healthful, proper, way of eating, you'll soon realize that you're nurturing the very foundation of your existence.
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:35pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Averno
It may seem rather daunting at first, but re-learning how you shop, store, and prepare your foods --as well as what you'll actually be eating-- will result in a sense of wellness you may never have experienced. Once you've abandoned the "common" diet in favor of this healthful, proper, way of eating, you'll soon realize that you're nurturing the very foundation of your existence.
I second that. It's easy for us to substitute foods that are technically compliant for our old, avoid foods we're used to (like gluten-free bread and pasta in place of regular varieties, if you need to avoid gluten). I think that's a step in the right direction, but it's very limiting. For example, if you're gluten-intolerant, why not get rid of bread and pasta entirely and add more of what's really good for you? It opens up a whole new world of possibility.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 10:14pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Averno

Don't underestimate the impact that even small amounts of avoids have on your gut, or the importance of gut-healing in the "Big Picture".  Read those ingredient labels, and resolve to reduce packaged or prepared food as much as possible. It may seem rather daunting at first, but re-learning how you shop, store, and prepare your foods --as well as what you'll actually be eating-- will result in a sense of wellness you may never have experienced. Once you've abandoned the "common" diet in favor of this healthful, proper, way of eating, you'll soon realize that you're nurturing the very foundation of your existence.


Averno, this is a very insightful post and worthy of being read and re-read.  I especially agree with your first sentence.  :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:28am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Rachel D
Recently I've noticed that sugar (even organic apple juice) seems to be making that worse and honey caused mucous in my throat and pain in my ear just like milk does. Now I'm wondering if one of the reasons why dairy gives me so much trouble could be because of the sugars? And I'm wondering if a reaction to honey might be pointing to nonnie. Hmmm..


Apples are also an avoid on the O nonnie diet, although I don't know what SWAMI would say about apple juice for an O nonnie Explorer (with apple juice being beneficial for Explorers.) I'm just pointing out that your intolerances to both of those foods (apple juice and honey) point towards non-secretor.

What foods are you still including in your diet that contain avoids? Are these entirely composed of foods you bought pre-BTD and are waiting to use up, or are   these foods you plan to continue purchasing?

Simple, basic foods are remarkably cheap. Frozen veggies, eggs, and cheap cuts of beef and poultry are all inexpensive and avoid-free. Canned fish is a bit harder, as the cheap brands all seem to contain "natural flavors" or soy-based broths (which is likely GMO and highly toxic) and the truly pure canned fishes are more expensive. So you'll need to eat fish  a little less often if you can't afford to buy much of it, and maybe make up the protein difference with extra eggs. (This is my advice if money is really tight- from a health perspective, following the portions recommended in SWAMI will surely be better. But it's better to eat enough total protein than it is to eat "perfectly" for 2-3 weeks and then not have enough money for food the last week of the month!)

However, if you have a kitchen full of "mostly OK" foods, I can understand wanting to finish them up before replacing them with healthier fare. It's up to you whether or not you want to give away those foods or eat them yourself to save money. Just bear in mind that you're unlikely to start truly healing until you're able to get those toxic foods out of your diet. If you really can't afford to replace that food right now, healing might  be on hold for a few weeks.
Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 14, 2013, 1:00am; Reply: 37
Ruthie- I am going to be using the nonnie swami diet plan, once I'm more compliant of course. I already partially follow it. I relate to nonnie things and feel that some of the nonnie avoids bother me as mentioned. Really the nonnie and sec lists for me are only a bit different, there are not too many major differences. I need to print out the two to see just what the differences are. I know that apple juice is bennie for sec and neutral for non while apple is avoid for non. Honey is avoid for non and neutral for sec. Cheeses change but I haven't had those in forever. Non gets goose and quail eggs for bennie but I've never had them. A few seafood choices go from avoid to neutral in nonnie...

The avoids I have are daiya imitation cheese, earth balance soy free margarine, tapioca, millet, and sorghum flour, mayonnaise, almond milk...I think that's it really. I did have Ham over the holidays but I've avoided that fine for a year. I do ok staying away from things I think it's just "replacement" foods I'm having trouble with.

I have this fresh vegetable phobia type thing I'm trying to deal with. It's nothing really major but it makes me pick up veggies in the store and put them back down because I'm unsure what to do with it and flavor it and I don't want to waste the money. I was getting to where they weren't so hard for me to eat when they were cooked and had butter on them but I can't eat that now. That's a hurdle I really need to get over soon. I'm fine on the protein, I eat meat as often as I can.

I know I'm hindering the healing. I bought the flours a while back before I had the information I needed. I think the millet and tapioca are ok for sec but are avoid for non so I might try to use the bag of millet. 2 bags of sorghum left and not sure what to do with them.
Posted by: DoS, Monday, January 14, 2013, 1:24am; Reply: 38
Low ridge height means your intestines are worn down. Try Intrinsa, and then 1 teaspoon of ghee twice a day.

Perhaps try to minimize gluten.
Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 14, 2013, 1:35am; Reply: 39
I'm not having any wheat unless it is unknown trace amounts. Wheat and dairy are big no nos.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 14, 2013, 1:47am; Reply: 40
If the packages are still sealed, see if you can return them. Then you can use the store credit for more compliant foods.

It will be easy enough to cook with  compliant flours instead of avoid flours once you buy them. But there are a few changes you're going to need to make in how you eat foods. You'll need to learn how to cook vegetables that taste good. What oils can you have? Compliant oil and salt over cooked veggies can be as tasty as butter over veggies. What exactly do you use the mayonnaise for? I can help you brainstorm alternatives for each recipe.

I think you're going to have to completely stop the non-dairy cheese, and not replace it with something else. It's fine to use up what you've already purchased, but I don't think you should buy it again.
Posted by: Rachel D, Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:17am; Reply: 41
I bought the flour in bulk on amazon and since they were in a 4 pack I doubt I could return them. Maybe I could take them to the health food store and see if they will take them without a receipt for an exchange. A little deceitful but it'd be like trading.

Oils lets see..

Black Currant Seed Oil
Chia Seed Oil
Hemp Seed Oil ◊
Macadamia Oil
Olive Oil ◊
Perilla Seed Oil ◊
Rice Bran Oil ◊

We use olive oil and grapeseed oil here. the grapeseed is neutral. I can't find any of the other oils here (the health food store is in another city so maybe I can look next time I'm there. The mayonnaise is only for the occasional tuna salad when the family wants to eat it.

I completely agree with you about the non dairy cheese. Every time I've bought it I tried to put it out of my mind that it had avoids. I know better than that. I'll get there. I can't wait to be 100% compliant.

PS-know any alternatives to soy sauce? I can't have it and would like to have stir fry again with something better for me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 6:29pm; Reply: 42
1 cup soy sauce: 1 cup water, 1 tablespoon blackstrap molasses, 1 teaspoon salt. You can adjust the amounts to taste.

I've found this works best when used in a recipe, rather than all by itself as a dipping sauce for sushi or as the only flavoring on  rice. Then again, somebody with a soy allergy who "doesn't know what they're missing" may enjoy this "mock soy sauce" anyway. But for people who have very recently used wheat-free tamari, this mock soy sauce works best when you add a bunch of other seasonings as part of a more complex recipe, such as adding garlic, ginger, hot pepper, and dry mustard for a Teriaki sauce. Using broth instead of water for the sauce base also gives lots of flavor.
Posted by: Rachel D, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 8:21pm; Reply: 43
Thanks for that. I think we may be having stir fry tonight so ill try it. I wouldve ate it dry if I had to but I'm glad I might have a substitute. I have some regular molasses and when I first tasted it I thought it was nasty. Now I'm kind of liking it and could see it being good in that. Is there much difference in taste for blackstrap?
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 17, 2013, 10:11pm; Reply: 44
MAP....MAP & B-vits ....;) :D............
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