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Posted by: weroflu, Friday, June 25, 2010, 8:00am
i have had this lower abdomen (colon) bloating for a long long time now. diet compliance has not gotten rid of it. a lot of the btd herbs work ok like ginger, turmeric, but these only pacify the problem.

i am not positive but it would be a good guess that this is caused by some stubborn or very long term parasites, perhaps some that have been there since childhood. i have already expelled different types of parasites during cleansing periods.



Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:40am; Reply: 1
Do you know what parasites? Knowing their life cycle might help. Doing a cleans at the correct time to keep the little critters from hatching eggs. I'm not very knowledgeable on this. I'm going by how we control fleas which have a two week cycle. Have you tried the intestinal health protocol ?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, June 25, 2010, 11:45am; Reply: 2
See if you can get a breath hydrogen done, more then likely gut bacteria out of whack.

Intrinsia, deflect, gastro-D, polyflora O are all great products
Posted by: 4thRabbit, Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:06pm; Reply: 3
Sounds like parasites, there are many different protocols out there. A stool test can tell you just what kind you are dealing with....... :-/
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 25, 2010, 4:03pm; Reply: 4
Perhaps yo could try going very low carb, low sugar and fruit free for a week, stick to meat and fish with a few veg. including broccoli. don't cheat and us cheat sugars. this will help the situation if you are one of the following

carbohydrate intolerant, fructose intolerant or have yeast problem. once you know which (if it is one of those things, you can start finding out which one very easily.

do you have a lot of wind?
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 25, 2010, 4:04pm; Reply: 5
by the way aviod the ginger for that week too and go very easy with things like opnins which affect the fructiose side of things. do you have any skin problems?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, June 25, 2010, 4:41pm; Reply: 6
IMHO.. go with the least invasive first.

Non secretors  and yeast, read a bit on it.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=yeast+non+secretors&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/environmental-illnesses/candida-and-gut-dysbiosis/
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 25, 2010, 4:47pm; Reply: 7
right, disrupting your natural ecosystem takes ages to restore!
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, June 25, 2010, 5:27pm; Reply: 8
We're having a full moon right now...and your issue has come up at this time to make me think
you are still dealing with parasites..Parasites are more active during a full moon.  For everyone
having gut problems during a full moon, consider your gut ecology...How much good bacteria
are you putting in your body...culturing vegetables?  Dairy,  as in yogurt, kefir, etc.  Taking Polyflora
with Live Cell for your BT.

Just some info to read...not recommending or know about any particular products that might
be here.

http://www.zhealthinfo.com/parasites.htm

PS

I wanted to add that ghee would be helpful because it contains butyrate which helps with lower
bowel issues.  NAP's Intrinsia contains butyrate.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:37pm; Reply: 9
I believe there s no constipation?.......that would be one less worry there. :)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:58pm; Reply: 10
wouldn't the low carb low sugar calm all of these potential issue? if you treat them individually it would takes a long time. I'm new to this so probably missing something. rather than very quickly finding out if indeed it is one of those. as if it was the parasites it would not change as much.

i know to identify exactly which one, you do them separately but the problem probably includes a bit of each. being O and a Nonnie and 44.
Posted by: weroflu, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 3:19pm; Reply: 11
i learned about the moon/parasite connection many years ago. on some full moons i definitely feel it, others not so much.

in the past just staying on the diet was enough, i didn't have to do any special cleanses and they would come out.  now this is a different story and i don't know why.

there is no way i'm going without fruits, i think that would be a step backward. in the old days i used to do that and suffered for it.

i am semi-open to polyfora or other supplements. but i haven't yet found a supplement that was as good as a natural food source -- even enzymes that claim to be many times stronger than foods, i always find the raw food version to be superior. i have taken some expensive probiotics in the past, and they do work, but  never really make that big of a difference compared to staying compliant on the diet. compliance has been the most noticeable and effective way to get the flora in a good place.

i tried fermenting beets last month but it didn't come out well. maybe i should try ginger or another vegetable and use a culturing agent this time.

-- no skin problems.

avoiding raw onion is probably a good idea.

re stool tests for parasites, i have found these to be absolutely worthless, and i think you find people who have experience with cleansing find the same thing. multiple negative tests and then they will pass boatloads of worms. i had a few stool tests done years ago, all came up negative, and then subsequently i would pass parasites. i stopped bothering about indentifying the particular species after i noticed at least 7 or 8 different kinds coming out.

i am thinking of something topical to target the ones at the lower abdomen, maybe some topical iodine. also thinking about one of those abrasive colon cleansing formulas with bentonite to mechanically get at whatever may be there. i feel like i need to be aggressive with this now, as it has gone on for too long. i can handle short burts of parasite cleansing but not prolonged bouts where i feel i'm just getting slowly poisoned to death

tnere is no constipation but i often get agitated before passing stool, this is probably another sign of parasites.

i use ghee liberably as well as butter, and both of them are good/very good, but they haven't gotten close to the root of the problem. i tried butyrate capsules some years ago and felt terrible. who knows, maybe it was some sort of die-off reaction, but it just felt like a really toxic sort of chemical rather than something nourishing.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 5:30pm; Reply: 12
lunatic parasites!!! :P


those butyrate capsules were not Intrinsa, right?
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:07pm; Reply: 13
why would the fruit be a step backwards, you may have two problems sugar and parasits or maybe just sugar. whatever happens i hope you get sorted. the colon cleansing would be a good idea i think. by a professional who would have some experience regarding worms.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:17pm; Reply: 14
butyric acid is a by product of bacterial growth  so is the one you mentioned a base to neutalise it? why not just use baking soda?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:38pm; Reply: 15
Quoted Text
butyric acid is a by product of bacterial growth


of beneficial bacterial growth :)

Parasites have blood types too!

here are Dr D s wise words of advice given to someone who had been through
a so called parasite cleanse.....too popular and too dangerous for my taste but again.....to each their own....take it or leave it.. :)
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Dr D
I hate to tell you this, but that 'parasite cleanse' probably just
screwed up your digestive system's ecobalance, which is a shame
since ER4YT is a program that elegantly, if laboriously and slowly,
builds it up. Please, before you do a parasite cleanse, or whatever,
run basic conventional tests, like ova and parasites, to determine
if you really have the problem. Anyway, think about using the
probiotic for your blood type, and perhaps the amino sugar NAG
(n-actylated glucosamine) to begin to repair some of the damage.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 7:00pm; Reply: 16
butyric acid is formed for example when a dirty sponge is left, the sickly smell is the butyic acid. in the stomach enzymes digesting fats convert them to butyric acid so when we through up it smells like  a dirty sponge.  amonia would cure it but i wouln't drink that lol

when i say colon cleanse that is irrigation by the way is he saying that is bad too. i've never tried it but was comtemplating it at some time in the future.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 7:17pm; Reply: 17
http://www.eatwild.com/ReadMore1.htm

http://www.naturalnews.com/022793_butter_health_fatty_acids.html

"The anti-fungal and anti-tumor effects of butyric acid, a short chain fatty acid, are unique to butter. Butyric acid is an energy source for the cells lining the colon, where it plays a part in development and maintenance. It reduces chronic inflammation of the colon, and high fecal levels correlate with decreased colon cancer risk. In people with compromised immune systems, undifferentiated cell growth can be inhibited by butyric acid."
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:19pm; Reply: 18
thus the reason for a hydrogen test mentioned above....to rule out H S, allowing butyric acid do it s thing

Quoted Text
Hydrogen sulfide production inhibits the metabolism of butyric acid and
other short chain fatty acids, which in turn starve colonocytes, and induce lesions similar to ulcerative colitis.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:24pm; Reply: 19
there must be some slightly different my original link was from memory but just had a quick goggle see below maybe it's spelt differently in the UK Lol

love the guy on natural news by the way but i often email him and point out a few things to , he generally accets them. having said that this is not my area of expertise, that is Money.

http://www.reciprocalnet.org/recipnet/showsamplebasic.jsp?sampleId=27344835
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:26pm; Reply: 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:32pm; Reply: 21
irrigation ain t my cup of tea ;)

if not done right, it can get things worse....
nothing more at ease than eating right and enjoying the process.....my personal op
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:48pm; Reply: 22
i think i would go along with you on that one then lola. don#t want anyone messing with my tea towel holder anyway lol

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:18pm; Reply: 23
so lets say fro arguments (but seriously) sake your body odour is smelling a bit like sickly - does that mean for future reference that you have a bacterial overgrowth that is getting rid of stuff through your skin? reminds me to eat more garlic when I'm ill next. or is it a bacterial growth outside you body from a contaminated oil or butter or cheese.

still all down to sugar lol

and on that subject if you are using expensive organic olive oil should you keep it in the fridge to stop it going rancid?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:42pm; Reply: 24
:)
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