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Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:28am
I am wondering have you switched from BTD to GENO and what where some of the experiences??

did you 'fit' right away?

what where the obvious changes?

did it impact you as much as BTD did early on?

did you learn something you did not know before - or about certain foods??

has your health shown signs of improvements??

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Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 6:41pm; Reply: 1
Now that I am doing a SWAMI diet I do better than on the BTD alone.

When I first switched to GenoType explorer diet in the book, I did not do as well as on the A nonsecretor diet.

I should note that the online survey recommended that I follow the BTD, and I only adopted the GTD diet since it was newer and I needed to be able to discuss the GTD with others in the forums.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 12:30pm; Reply: 2
I did the same thing.. and it turned out the same way for me.. so I switched back - but my next blood test should show results and that I hope will make a difference...
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:07pm; Reply: 3
I am in the process of switching/adapting. I wasn't as compliant with my BTD before I started (it kinda gradually slipped), but started back on the BTD again and after my vacation I started the GTD. I started it mostly because of my sensitivity for cancer and weightloss is an added bonus.

I know I lost weight, just no idea how much since I don't have a scale anymore. I promised myself I would never live by the scale again. But I am almost down 1 dress size (three weeks going), so that is good.

As for the cancer I am very cautious at saying anything for certain, but... I had skin cancer (carcinoma's) three times now. I think I have one in my neck and I have/had this constant recurring lump on my temple. It has a funny discoloration and I keep removing it and it keeps coming back. Exactly the same as the first one I had next to my eye, I would keep trying to get rid of it, thinking it was a wart or something and it also kept coming back and eventually got so big that I went to the doctor and he removed it.

This one on my temple was exactly the same as that first one. Still very small, but you learn to recognize them. However since this week, I don't feel (or see) it anymore. The discoloration (looked like a very pale freckle (sp)) is completely gone. I am not going to jump in joy just yet, but I do find it very remarkable.

The only thing I won't be able to do for my GTD is stay off chicken for 60 days. If I were living alone I would and could, but there are others to consider and I can't ask my husband (and cook) to stop eating chicken. It's amazing how he has supported me in this so far.

Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:22pm; Reply: 4
Your 2 dogs are great in that picture..  ;D

BUT chicken .. I don't know if it is important.. but I refuse to eat it any more store-bought as they are full of strange stuff.. being fad who knows what..I have fewer issues with turkey.. but IF I was battling any health issues then hell would freeze over before I would expose myself to food I should not have..  :o

No you are so casual about good or bad news.. I would be running to a doc and say get this off.. ( My fam uses  a good one that will go slice by slice until its all gone - takes all afternoon.. )   :)

IF you think BTD or GENO would benefit your detoxing .. and strengthening your immune with Sups from Nap, then I would do that as a sign of love for whomever is around including your own body, of which YOU are one entity.. ;)

I have no suggestions but to meditate on that as well and ask for your body to give YOU guidance..  and have you read the BTD for cancer-prevention and the like??   would you like to say which you like better BTD or GENO??  what was the most difficult switch.. ??  what makes you feel better or appeals more??  ??)

Good luck and all the best.. May your frecles stay and all other unpleasantness go away..  8)  
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:47pm; Reply: 5
I've been on GTD for only three weeks, so I really can't say if I like one better then the other.

However there are big differences then the last time I started. When I started in 2005 on BTD I just had half my thyroid out because of cancer, the other half was infected with probably some autoimmune disease said the surgeon. I had been struggling off a really heavy depression, which I got due to walking around with a unrecognized thyroid problem for 2 years. I was over 130 kilo's. I started BTD because I wanted to loose weight (a friend showed me his before picture, which got me started). At that point I didn't really know it was a good anti-cancer method as well. I lost 40 kilo's in six months eating only compliant foods and not looking into any amount of what I ate whatsoever. After that it stopped, but heck I was a happy camper getting my weight down to 90 kilo's. During this all I also battled out a nasty divorce. Only later when I read all the books I found out it was helping against the cancer as well. So I decided that I would stick with it.

Then at the beginning of 2007 I was forced to move to Holland for work. The first two years I did fine, but last year I started to slip a bit. I notice that I don't do well with the sudden climate changes here in Holland. My body can't adapt, if it gets cold I get hypo and I can't sleep enough, if all of a sudden the temperature increases 10 degrees I get hyper and I can't sleep at all. Instead of staying compliant I started looking for comfort of feeling so lousy in food again. So I gained some of my lost kilo's back. I think maybe 10.

But I also had this little thinghy on my temple and that was really my main concern. I've already resigned myself to the fact that I will never again in my life be 60 kilo's. My health, cancer wise, comes first place now. So I started the Geno, because it has the best advertisement.  :)

As for the chicken, I am down to once a week, because eventhough my husband cooks every night, I will go out to the market and get turkey, and fish and lamb and I get enough to get through the week, but every now and then he will shop and get chicken. I was allowed to have on my BTD and he just doesn't get why I am switching to GTD. He says, BTD was helping you battle the cancer already, so why change? Doesn't help to say that this probably helps more.

Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:17pm; Reply: 6

Do the best you can without major stress...  

As far as an answer for your husband, GTD takes more genetics and environmental factors that affect our health into account, so it provides an even better diet for me.  As such, it is easier to maintain compliance because everything the body needs is in the diet so there are less cravings for things that are not on the diet.  
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 10:02pm; Reply: 7
ONE MORE time .. you might look for the cancer book.. BUT the GENO IN My opinion is the cancer "prevention" as well as good for you.. so either way what you do is most important to stay calm and relaxed.. stress is the real issue and ONE MORE thing I a must .. being here on this site and getting whatever you are getting.. all good stuff..  :)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:21pm; Reply: 8
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got so big that I went to the doctor and he removed it.

your Dr did send it off to get analyzed, right?
Posted by: SandrAruba, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 5:51am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Lola

your Dr did send it off to get analyzed, right?

oh yeah, but he immediately recognized it. Turned out they didn't cut off enough (being near my eye they were very careful) and they had to open it up and cut some more. The other one was on my shoulder, they had to cut that one as well and two others were still so small they could freeze them off.

Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:30am; Reply: 10
I would Look for a doc who does the slice then send it to their lab one slice at a time.. as you wait in the waiting room.. then go deep enough to be CLEAN.. even if it takes all day..

Please get the Cancer book and the Encyclopedia.. If both is not possible.. I might be able to type out the sups from NAP for cancer prevention..    
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 4:25pm; Reply: 11
check the online protocol
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 6:26pm; Reply: 12
Cancer Prevention Protocol:

  Use this protocol for 4 weeks. Discontinue for 4 weeks.Then restart.


   1. Quercetin, 500 mg: 1 capsule, twice daily
   2. Maitake extract (Grifola frondosa), 500 mg: 2-3 capsules, twice daily
   3. Curcumin (Turmeric: Curcuma longa), 95% curcuminoids, 300-500 mg: 1 capsule, once or    twice daily
   4. Polyflora A (ABO Specific Probiotic): 2 capsule daily
   5. Burdock root (Arctium sp) tea: 1-3 cups, daily
   6. Noni (Morinda citrifolia)fruit extract, 250 mg: 1-2 capsules, daily
   7. Escargot/Roman Snail (Helix pomatia), Helix plus: 1-2 capsules, daily  
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, April 30, 2010, 8:39am; Reply: 13
:) I agree.. call NAP at 877 226 8973.. and I do not get a comission/// see my signature..  :)
Posted by: Poppy, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:34pm; Reply: 14
In another thread, I said I was relieved to find out I am a Hunter. I figured this out without doing the prop test yet. I also just found out I'm a nonnie, after following the O diet for 3 years. All this talk about Geno or BTD, has me now doubting again. Darn it all!  I never followed the nonnie diet, but just last week got the Live Right book from the library. Bought Genotype the same week. Found out I'm a Nonnie the same week! I have been reading madly, and have done a sudden switch from regular "O" from ER4YT to Genotype Hunter. Is this a mistake? Would buying Swami really clear things up for me, or should I try this Hunter diet for a while? It does seem pretty good for me, except the cheese. I ate some parmesan cheese on the weekend, had loose bowels within 1 hour, and the day after slept all afternoon, then that night had severe cramping in my bowels, bad enough to wake me from a deep sleep. Do I feel like trying Kefalotyri, or Manchego, if I can even find them in the store??? Certainly not! I also got feeling droopy and nauseated after eating 85% chocolate, but I noticed it had soy lecithin in it, and I do not do well with soy at all.    
Posted by: SandrAruba, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 9:48pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Goldie
I would Look for a doc who does the slice then send it to their lab one slice at a time.. as you wait in the waiting room.. then go deep enough to be CLEAN.. even if it takes all day..

Please get the Cancer book and the Encyclopedia.. If both is not possible.. I might be able to type out the sups from NAP for cancer prevention..    

I follow the recommendations from Swami (since my Swami is designed for cancer prevention) and I added some to deal with my female troubles. I also did the supp test and basically the same thing showed up, with one extra supp to help me relax.

But for the slicing part. That was not possible at that time, since the docs office was no where near the lab.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 19, 2010, 7:35pm; Reply: 16
no progress at all indeed justamente the contrary... coz of dif. advices.... I feel better to go back to BTD...enough of being a  guineapig... ;) ;D....
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, June 19, 2010, 8:21pm; Reply: 17
Poppy.... I THINK WE NEED A SHAKE UP every so often to doubt what we are doing and then study the heck out of our books.. The answers are all in there... take this as one more piece of info ,,,,

I did BTD forever.. as a nonnie,, then I switched to Geno.. did it half heartedly and lost ground with sugar issues.. then when the test came back 'as a poor showing' I took out all my books and started all over again!!!! I took the which diet test and am happy with the outcome for me...

the fact that you did some damage without knowing that you are a nonnie is not going to destroy all the good you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  imagine the damage you might have done eating  :o avoids  :-/as we all  ::)did...  ... but going forward.. you have choices.. and will catch up just so much faster..  ;D

WORRY is the biggest WORRY ... (hey I just made a quote!!! LOL
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 20, 2010, 8:39pm; Reply: 18
yep stop worrying and heaven appears... implement the Ruiz issues and no more wonders why things are changing as well... :o ;D(dizzy)(whistle)(funny) nighty night..... :K) I.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 20, 2010, 10:42pm; Reply: 19
Amazone you are to much!!! I am still sitting here waiting to heaven to open .. and letting me out.. just a few more social things.. the stars are not right.. but soon.. see ya in your dreams,,  ;D
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, June 21, 2010, 1:01am; Reply: 20
GTD was WAY better than BTD for me.  I honestly can't tell any difference between GTD and SWAMI.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:32am; Reply: 21
Goldie...release your judge and the victim first.... then all will become a super heaven on its own ;) ;D....(smarty)(clap)(ok)(dance)(sunny) with your awareness of all those laberings in our heads you can overcome such situations... but you've really to be very aware about how that works on your self!!! To distinct the lies from truth is one of the fine houseworks we've to admit and to well... and then becoming sceptical but learn to listen.... all is about storytellings... we seem to be artists but got the envies to lie at ourselves constantly.... mechanismes as usual and then tell and show me the one who's able to change all in one second... it's doable but the Zauberwort heisst awareness ;)....(whistle)(smarty)(angel)...any further questions??)...btw...Don Miguel Ruiz remembers me a lot of my older advaita teacher Jean Klein...a m a z i n g l y he uses even similar words for comparisons.... ;D ;D ;D

be impacable with your word
don't take anything personally
don't make assumptions   (you seem to work on this huh??) ;) ),,,,tsk....
always do your best
be sceptical but learn to listen....

that's all not much to look for...isn't it ??)  :P ;D ;D ;D
as you pointed it correctly out...we're all dreaming ;) ;D :K) ..... :D(funny)(evil)(sunny)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:27pm; Reply: 22
Okay, eight and a half months after the original post, I finally see this thread.  Whew, doggies, nothing gets by me!
Quoted from Goldie
I am wondering have you switched from BTD to GENO and what where some of the experiences??  did you 'fit' right away?

YES.  It was like, any little thing that hadn't quite seemed exactly right on the BTD was suddenly righted in my GTD food lists (except sunflower seeds, but we won't go there  ;)  ...I'm good with that, as I am far from suffering by choosing pumpkin seeds instead, which I LOVE).
Quoted from Goldie
what were the obvious changes?

In two years and two months on the GTD, I have never ONCE had a real slip out of my dietary groove.  I've had a grand total of two or three unsteady moments from which I quickly righted myself.  NO real cravings, no slipping out of the groove to where I had to struggle to find it and get back into it again, in other words, my body and all the systems within it are in total balance and thus I am STEADY and STRONG in my diet, able easily to make good choices consistently.  It is almost effortless for me, it feels so right and natural, or natural and right, whichever order you prefer.  Like any healthy diet in our corn-syrup and wheat-laden country, of course it does take daily focus and discipline and effort and intention, but it is easy to make the right choices because, again, I can't emphasize enough that I'm in a STRONG, strong place of biochemical balance and it has lasted for two years.  This is not a fluke!  This thing is EMPOWERING as all get out, dare I say especially for us Gatherers, as we really struggle in our toxic, addictive food culture to find that place of balance and steadiness, let alone feel strong and confident within it.

If I had to pick one word to describe the GTD, for me, it is:  power.
Quoted from Goldie
did it impact you as much as BTD did early on?

Well, perhaps surprisingly after my glowing review of the GTD above, I'd have to say NO.  The BTD was my first taste of all of the above:  the balance, the being on the right diet for me.  The BTD was right for me, the GTD was just "righter", as I often say.  The GTD made it all come together and gave me the last few customized pieces I needed to complete the puzzle.  But the BTD gave me most of what I know about this diet (I said "this diet" instead of "these diets", as for me it is a continuum, not really two separate my SWAMI is a hybrid of the two anyway, and I find that I tend to do a hybrid naturally, anyway, though I say I'm on the GTD.  The BTD greatly informs my choices within the GTD).
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:46pm; Reply: 23
I did very well on the BTD.  My son does fine with the Nomad diet and tweaked it slightly himself to include milk.  I did horrible on the Explorer diet.  Swami is perfect for me and that’s what I’ll stay with.
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