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Posted by: 9212 (Guest), Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:15am
I've been reading articles about soy after hearing from a friend that soy beans are very high in aluminium (10 times as much as any milk product [talk about toxifying the body!] and I've found that the health benefits may actually be totally overblown. Apparently the process of preparing the soy beans for conumption is very synthetic as well.

Here are some links:

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm

http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm


I'd love to get some feedback from people on this. I've swtiched to soy milk and tofu for the last 2 years, given up milk completely, and now I'm realising that it may not have been in my best interest to have done so. I'm thinking now switching to rice/goat milk. However I still very much look forward to your feedback.
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:36am; Reply: 1
Welcome to the forum.

It would be easier if we knew what blood type you are. Please choose an avatar.  You may find soy shows up as an avoid for you which would render the conversation mute for you.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:46am; Reply: 2
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:52am; Reply: 3
Quoted Text
Dr D
Many Type As and Type ABs have expressed concern about soy products after reading warnings that soy products may be protease inhibitors--that is, they inhibit the enzyme secreted by the pancreas that facilitates protein digestion. Let's dispel this myth once an d for all. It is true that soy contains a protease inhibitor, named Bowman-Bird Soy Protease Inhibitor (BBI). However, BBI, far from being of harm to Type As and Type ABs, is actually a very good friend. Here's why:

-BBI protease inhibitor from soy has well-recognized anti-carcinogenic properties.

-BBI protease inhibitor from soy is a significant inhibitor of Human Leucocyte Elastase (HLE), an enzyme that dissolves the protein elastin and also degrades and inactivates a number of plasma proteins. Elastase probably plays a physiological function in neutrophil migration, phagocytosis, and tissue remodeling. HLE apparently plays a pathological role in pulmonary emphysema, rheumatoid arthritis, endometriosis, infections, and inflammation.

Thus type As and Type ABS on soy-based diets can look forward to having lower levels of inflammation, allergy, cancer, and infection- thanks to this "poison" in soy. Another beneficial effect of soy with special importance to Type A is the ability of the phytochemical genestein to block the effects of the enzyme aromatase. Aromatase in an enzyme that produces estrogen and other steroids. Aromatase is located in estrogen-producing cells of the body. Many estrogen-positive cancers are inhibited by blocking this enzyme. Aromatase inhibitors are increasingly the drug of choice for managing metastic breast cancers that have retained estrogen sensitivity. Other aromatase inhibitors include high-lignan flaxseed oil and the flavones Apigenin (found in chamomile) and Chrysin (found in passion flower).

References:

Wan X. S., Lu L. J., Anderson K.E., Kennedy A.R. "Urinary excretion of Bowman-Birk inhibitor in humans after soy consumption as determined by a monoclonal antibody-based immunoassay."
Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev., Jul 2000; 9(7): 741-7.

Clawson, G.A. "Protease inhibitors and carcinogenesis: A review."
Posted by: 9212 (Guest), Thursday, April 22, 2010, 2:50am; Reply: 4
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I am a Type A+

In the past year I have bought nearly all of doctor D'Adamo's books; live right, cook right, eat right, aging, fatigue, cardiovascular disease, genotype diet. I love his research on an all different areas of health, however this recent discovery on soy has seriously concerned me. I mean protease inhibition aside, what about the massive amount of aluminium that's toxifying our body? I've bought the bromelain pineapple supplement to assist protein break down, however I'd like to focus this discussion on the aluminum content that we're consuming everytime we grab a glass of soy milk or eat tofu.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 3:30am; Reply: 5
I believe Dr D has focused on that content and hasn t found that to be alarming....

find good sources of soy tofu, the milk is not necessarily   the best choice, think it isn t all that beneficial t those able to have soy in the first place...then there s edamame, and other forms of soy which are better sources and choices for an A.

which system are you now following?

and its not a recent discovery that about soy either.....so all is good :)
Posted by: December, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 3:36am; Reply: 6
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=77810
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 3:59am; Reply: 7
I think the best we can do is to follow Dr. D's guidelines, source the best products we can find or afford, and get on with life.  

This diet is so much less toxic to what I was eating before, that my body is cleaning out all of the incoming toxins as well as many stored toxins and finding energy to heal itself besides.  

Much success to you in your quest for health!
Posted by: 9212 (Guest), Thursday, April 22, 2010, 4:19am; Reply: 8
I'm not following a specific system from any book, however the book I reference the most for my diet is the 'Food and Supplement' list for Type A. It's a small concise book that breaks down all food groups (fruit, vegetables, meat etc), and lists which ones to eat and avoid from each group.

I have incoperated soy significantly into my diet. I drink around 4 literes of soy milk a week and I eat tofu at least once a week. Taking into cosideration the aluminium content of this, I'm consuming 40 times as much aluminum from the soy milk alone that I would be consuming , say, from skim milk.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:30am; Reply: 9
ok good, yet you ve read the GTD, and you ve made a choice.....that thought alone is also good..... :)
have you roughly found out your GT yet?
thought of a secretor test?
or even a serotyping panel, to know your subtype A1 or A2?
I think those unique details alone are more important than worrying about all you read about soy.....what if it turned out you were a non secretor A2, explorer and soy wasn t meant for you in the first place?

investigate about your individuality it is a fun process!

do what works for you best
Posted by: 7966 (Guest), Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:55am; Reply: 10
I will rock the boat here and say Dr D is wrong on this one! (GASP) My homeopath says commerically produced soy is not healthy for anyone-for one thing it blocks calcium absorption. Soy products made in te traditonal Japanese method are fine-so really it is the processing that is the problem. I would switch to rice milk if I were you Tommy.    
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:14pm; Reply: 11
Dr. D would agree with you that commercial prepared soy is not good.. TVP is an example of a soy product that is not a good choice.

If you read the food lists he does not list "soy" and let you make a choice of any soy but lists, Tempeh-- Tofu and Soy Milk.. then he lists the avoid ingredients in another list, so if your soy milk is not the purest it is not the best choice. Many soy milks contain junk.. Silk is a brand that has a ton of additives.  What type of pan do you use to cook the tofu? If my memory serves me I think in the end they found that the pans where aluminum and they were the reason for the high aluminum content.

I am an A I eat tofu and tempeh more then once a week without concern. I trust Dr. D.. call me a fool if you want.

The choice becomes yours in the end. I am 47 many people think I am in my 30's, soy has been one of the best foods for me.

I recently put together all the soy posts, but am not sure how to access it, hate to ask but Lola.. can you find it? :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:47pm; Reply: 12
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-spelunk/m-1263759986/

got it ;)

I put this together awhile ago.
Maybe this will help, but like I said in the end, it is up to you.
Posted by: 7966 (Guest), Thursday, April 22, 2010, 1:53pm; Reply: 13
Ok I didn't know that the soy listing specified tempah, tofu etc. Thanks for that Andrea.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 1:57pm; Reply: 14
Dr. D is sort of a genius. ;D ;)
Posted by: Sharon, Thursday, April 22, 2010, 2:33pm; Reply: 15
There are many great local companies making miso and I've seen fresh non-gmo tofu and whole soybeans at farmer's markets recently in NY. People are starting demand better quality tofu and many local farmer's grow soybeans. Just like O's do the best they can with buying good quality meat, A's do the best they can with finding good quality tofu.
This company is one of my favorites located in Massachusetts. There are many local companies making good quality tofu products all around the country including Seattle, California, and the midwest.

http://www.southrivermiso.com/


http://www.southrivermiso.com/store/c/1-1-Year-Miso.html


http://www.lightlife.com/product_detail.jsp?p=tempeh_soy
Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:02am; Reply: 16
Quoted from 7966
I will rock the boat here and say Dr D is wrong on this one! (GASP) My homeopath says commerically produced soy is not healthy for anyone-for one thing it blocks calcium absorption. Soy products made in te traditonal Japanese method are fine-so really it is the processing that is the problem. I would switch to rice milk if I were you Tommy.    


Soy does have phytates (phytic acid) which blocks mineral absorption in LARGE amounts, but so do most grains and to a lesser degree vegetables. On the other hand phytic acid is a powerful anti-cancer compound in the digestive tract.

Although I think your statement is reasonably flexible (i.e traditional versus commercial) people really need to educate themselves about the constituents and actions of soy on a much, much deeper level. Soy's actions are too diverse and people too variable for simplistic notions like 'it's a poison' or it's 'bad for everyone.'
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:05pm; Reply: 17
Correct me if I'm wrong though (kind of an offshoot of the issue, but you mentioned it), soaking grains for 8 hours will reduce the amount of phytates.  Correct?  

I think Andrea's post is spot on and it is what my Doctor has recommended.  Stay away from the junk, use only pure stuff.  If the stuff in Japan is better, why can't we get it.  Or make it ourselves?  My doctor recommends using the beans, tempeh and miso.  He says the process used for all these other soy products is typically the part that makes soy probably not so good.  I don't know if he's distinguishing pure Tofu and the commercial junk or not.  But either way, I've read the labels on some of the "health" food tofu and the ingredients are things I don't want in my body.  Although I hear that there are purer forms of tofu being made.  I have not ventured into tofu all that often and I certainly don't drink silk.  There's all kinds of stuff in soy milk and even rice milk for that matter that I don't want.  I need to make my own.  But I haven't felt the need to drink milk anyways.  Although it's good to have something to cook with.  

I did just put some organic genmai miso in my soup today and I can tell, that be some good eats for sure.  Great flavor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 3:56pm; Reply: 18
http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/article_content.asp?edition=1&section=2&article=377&utm_source=Natural+Medicine+Journal+List&utm_campaign=e26e67e03b-November_2012_issue&utm_medium=email

Quoted Text
Abstract
Isoflavones from soy have both estrogenic and antiestrogenic action, and in vitro and animal studies have shown possible interference with hormone blockade agents used in breast cancer aftercare. Epidemiological data, however, suggests that soy consumption is not associated with increased risk in any population of women with a history of breast cancer. Further, there appears to be a linear relationship between decreased risk of recurrence and/or mortality and increasing soy consumption. This review includes all of the studies designed to assess soy intake and risk of mortality and/or breast cancer recurrence.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 4:36pm; Reply: 19
http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/article_content.asp?edition=1&section=2&article=377&utm_source=Natural+Medicine+Journal+List&utm_campaign=e26e67e03b-November_2012_issue&utm_medium=email
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 5:16pm; Reply: 20

Dr. D on soy..

Soy is a great detoxification medicine for type A
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive4/config.pl?read=664

Soy phytoestrogens block aromatase
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=67509

Soy does contain a protease inhibitor
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/05/04/soy-enzyme-inhibitors?blog=27

Ho-hum. Every month, someone yells "soy scare."
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=87765

Soy is a good food if you are type A
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988814415&id=988813483

Thyroid-- soy for A's
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive7/config.pl?read=25052

Dr. D links to John Robbins on Soy
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=142720

Some points to remember about A's and soy
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive8/config.pl?read=37234

One man's food is another's poison A's and soy
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive6/config.pl?read=21224


Phytoestrogens are only part of the picture
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=53832


Soy not for B's
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive5/config.pl?read=11702
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 7:53pm; Reply: 21
All soy products are black dots for me except lecithin and soybean meal which are neutrals.
Posted by: Joy, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 9:33pm; Reply: 22
I've been eating edamame (non GM0) on and off for a very long time.  I get the shelled beans and boil them until a fork goes through them and add a little butter, tamari soy sauce and tumeric powder on top.  

Lately, I've also added sliced avocado and about two teaspoons of chia seeds. The chia seeds give it a little crunchy flavor and they mix well with the tamari and butter.  When I add the chia seeds to a veggie such as soy for dinner I'm always glad the next morning when performing my ablutions.

I tried tofu and I don't like it except when mixed in with a smoothie.

Joy
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 10:36pm; Reply: 23
This thread is from 2010  :-/
Posted by: kitari, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 10:38pm; Reply: 24
Soy gives me red dots.  ;D
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, April 18, 2013, 12:35am; Reply: 25
Andrea, I just put the article on soy that Dr. D shared on Facebook. I like to search and update rather than start a new thread. If someone is searching old threads, they find the info. Not looking to start a whole discussion of opinions, just sharing info. Thought the title of this looked like a good one to post the article on. So did policychecker, I suppose.  ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, April 18, 2013, 1:14am; Reply: 26
Quoted from AKArtlover
Andrea, I just put the article on soy that Dr. D shared on Facebook. I like to search and update rather than start a new thread. If someone is searching old threads, they find the info. Not looking to start a whole discussion of opinions, just sharing info. Thought the title of this looked like a good one to post the article on. So did policychecker, I suppose.  ;)


I agree with your point because it's likely newbies are going to come here with these same concerns regarding soy....see their subject matter discussed, even if from 2010 but also read further and see updated information.  Doesn't seem to be a problem from my perspective.
Posted by: Joy, Thursday, April 18, 2013, 2:09am; Reply: 27
No problem with me either.  

"What's old is new again"  A quote used for information all the time.

Joy
Posted by: Adam, Thursday, April 18, 2013, 3:12pm; Reply: 28
I enjoyed seeing this dug up from the past, as I hadn't read all the links that Andrea had posted about soy.  It was interesting info.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, April 19, 2013, 10:56am; Reply: 29
Sometimes people start to address the original poster and they are long gone.

Might be good to add  Dr D's comments and the study  to the spelunking link on soy.
An admin can do that--
Posted by: DoS, Saturday, April 20, 2013, 9:00am; Reply: 30
I can feel my cardio system be soothed by soy, literally. At first I didn't figure it did anything, but it literally lowers my stress.
Posted by: chrissyA, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 2:02pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from DoS
I can feel my cardio system be soothed by soy, literally. At first I didn't figure it did anything, but it literally lowers my stress.

I find it to be soothing as well :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 11:18pm; Reply: 32
and now this
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1366584721/

>:(
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 1:18am; Reply: 33
westonaprice.org
Posted by: BluesSinger, Saturday, April 27, 2013, 4:19pm; Reply: 34
Is organic unsweetened PLAIN soymilk good for a Hunter Man?  
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, April 27, 2013, 4:42pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from BluesSinger
Is organic unsweetened PLAIN soymilk good for a Hunter Man?  

As far as I can see from looking in The Genotype Diet book, Hunter should avoid ALL soy, all of the time.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, April 28, 2013, 5:14pm; Reply: 36
Well Soy milk on me swami is a black dot.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, April 28, 2013, 9:42pm; Reply: 37
If it's a  black dot, then it's not the best choice. Test it out and see how you react to it. There are black dots that I really can't eat more than a few times a year. And then there are black dots that don't seem to bother me, and I can treat as neutrals when I'm feeling well.
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