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Posted by: Christopher, Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:19pm
Well after 10 months of a strict Hunter diet I switched to Paleo diet for the better.
I dropped all grains and beans. I do not need to lose weight but I did it for health and I feel much better.No more bloating and carb/sugar swings and cravings.  I also eat coconut and avocado almost everyday and try to keep my carbs low at around 20% of calories. I ditched all veg oils and switched to tallow,ghee,coconut and red palm oil.My bowels finally like me again!

My wife suffers with IBD for 1.5 years but is now in total remission by following a very low carb diet from the book Breaking The Vicious Cycle.We also get raw goats milk that she makes into yogurt but dairy is not for me.
Hope this info helps someone.
Posted by: Susana, Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:50pm; Reply: 1
Well, we are just discussing the issue of a grain free Hunter (with a few Nomads in there) diet: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1228431284/ Thanks for sharing :K).

How long have you been on Paleo? Did you ever do BTD? What blood type is your wife?

I would like to be able to go grain free as I love not experiencing cravings LOL! but I would love to stay under Dr. D'Adamo's philosophy.
But it is interesting for me to know that you still had cravings after 10 month of a strict adherence.

Please keep us posted.

:K)
Posted by: Christopher, Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:12pm; Reply: 2
I been strictly Paleo for 3 months. My wife is O-.
Never tried the BTD but did try higher carb Paleo before GTD.
GTD helped me learn about my body and helped me fix some things but eating rice and beans is a real slippery slope that just lead to bloating\constipation and cravings.
My body loves low carb/high fat which I have never tried before because I always thought low carb was for overweight people.Getting my carb cravings banished has been an enormous victory for this reformed sugar addict.
I highly recommend anyone with digestive or weight issues look into low carb.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:24pm; Reply: 3
Sounds good! You are a paleo-hunter!
Many Os don't do well with grains, but still do BTD/GTD without grains.  As I get older, I find I don't do as well with beans, either.
I hope you can share more of your experiences with us.
Posted by: Christopher, Sunday, December 7, 2008, 11:19am; Reply: 4
I would add that I dropped the tropical fruits also.The last time I tried to eat a banana I couldn't finish it because it was disgustingly sweet tasting after a period of lower carb eating. I stick to mostly berries now.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 7, 2008, 5:58pm; Reply: 5
Getting to know our own bodies is a truly empowering thing.  

I think especially right around the mid-thirties, the metabolism will tend to start slowing down a little.  This seems like an especially good time to fine-tune what really works for us and getting honest with ourselves about what is not working/never did really work.

I hear you on the tropical fruits, Christopher.  And again, it may be different for different people, but the fruit that makes me feel the best are the berries that are superfoods on my GTD.  
Posted by: syren4444, Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:08pm; Reply: 6
Jumping on the fruit discussion, I'm excited to focus on my GTD fruits, I of course loved the variety on BTD, but I can't ignore everytime I ate apples I got an acidic stomach.  Not they are black dots for me. Seems like GTD is more accurate for me.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:28pm; Reply: 7
hunter & paleo diet, please explain their differences... :D
thanx in advance....(sunny)
Posted by: Susana, Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:36pm; Reply: 8
One is to survive (paleo) the other to change our genes so that we live longer and better (Hunter) ;D

:K)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:55pm; Reply: 9
;) ;D ;D ooogh...ooooh....(scared)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(goofy)(whistle)
Posted by: Christopher, Sunday, December 7, 2008, 9:51pm; Reply: 10
I would say the only difference is cutting out legumes and grains altogether,other than that it was just fine tuning the Hunter diet for me.
The premise of a Paleo diet is to only eat the foods that were around when the Homo Sapein Sapein genotype evolved...pure hunt and gather. Its really just a broad concept rather than a diet.
Posted by: angelighte, Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:25am; Reply: 11
Thanks for that info - I am interested in looking it up.
Posted by: speedy, Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:09am; Reply: 12
What do you usually eat for breakfast Christopher? I can so relate to what you are saying! The only grains I now eat are 2 ricecakes with a boiled egg for breakfast. Even the starchy veg seem to put weight on. I do have snacks of protein on waking, 11am and 4pm usually tinned fish in olive oil or cold chicken or turkey - it seems to keep me happy.
Posted by: Christopher, Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:35am; Reply: 13
What I have discovered is that it is crucial for me to eat a hearty breakfast.
it might be liver sausage and eggs cooked in tallow with a cup of blueberries and coconut oil or 6-8 oz of fatty grassfed ground meat with a sauteed carrot and an avocado.
My wife is addicted to homemade beef jerky with her morning eggs and a dash of homemade yogurt and almond bread which you can find a recipe for here

http://www.scdiet.org/2recipes/bread01.html
Posted by: speedy, Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:03pm; Reply: 14
Thanks for that info Christopher - it seems we don't eat enough for breakfast here in England!I will try the beef with leftover veggies as soon as possible!
Posted by: Raquel, Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:15pm; Reply: 15
Christopher do you eat sweet potato with Paleo diet??? ??)
Posted by: Christopher, Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:48pm; Reply: 16
Yes I eat sweet potato but not white,they are a different family(nightshade). Paleo is more of a concept than specific diet but yams/sweet pots/tubers are permitted.Winter squash is great with ghee or coconut oil.If I was trying to lose weight I may not eat them.I also like turnips and rutabagas cooked in the leftover strained juice from the crock pot after a nice bone in chuck roast has been cooked,marrow is delicious.
  Also apples aren't a Hunter food but they are local and in season and if I peel them then they don't bother me at all.We are fortunate to be able to get almost all of our food localy through a co-op....grassfed chuckroast for 6$ per lb and ground beef for 4$.
check out localharvest.org
Posted by: Jane, Monday, December 8, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 17
I'm an O- like your wife and I also have IBD although I've been much less symptomatic since I started the BTD years ago.  Interesting that you say she makes her own goat's milk yogurt.  I occasionally eat goat's milk yogurt and also water buffalo yogurt.  Typical breakfast for me is 2 organic eggs scrambled in ghee with a sprinkle of nutritional yeast before serving, a tiny piece of manna bread with almond butter and a little cranberry pepper jelly.
Jane
Posted by: Raquel, Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:09pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Christopher
Yes I eat sweet potato but not white,they are a different family(nightshade). Paleo is more of a concept than specific diet but yams/sweet pots/tubers are permitted.


Sweet potato is a good source of carb....
I love it, I donīt need to lose weight, anyway I'm
NOMAD AB 'modern GTD' not from paleo!!! ;)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:31pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Christopher
almond bread which you can find a recipe for here

http://www.scdiet.org/2recipes/bread01.html


This is very interesting... I'm assuming it's the  "Bread Recipe" as there are several there.

Does it rise at all or?

Ribbit have  you tried this?
Posted by: suzedgar, Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:40pm; Reply: 20
OH MY GOODNESS - I really needed to read this thread.
I am a Hunter and cannot seem to drop weight. The only way is to go grain free.

Christopher - what do you like to drink in the mornings? I assume you don't drink coffee?

I have also noticed that the only way I drop weight is to avoid the tropical fruits - berries are the way to go.
It just seems strange because bananas are a diamond food for me!
Christopher - do you eat flaxseed? I make that bread and it is the only bread I can eat. It is made of flaxseed and eggs/oil and water
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:42pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from suzedgar
OH MY GOODNESS - I really needed to read this thread.
I am a Hunter and cannot seem to drop weight. The only way is to go grain free.

Christopher - what do you like to drink in the mornings? I assume you don't drink coffee?

I have also noticed that the only way I drop weight is to avoid the tropical fruits - berries are the way to go.
It just seems strange because bananas are a diamond food for me!
Christopher - do you eat flaxseed? I make that bread and it is the only bread I can eat. It is made of flaxseed and eggs/oil and water


Susdgar.. did your fast work out?
Posted by: suzedgar, Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:55pm; Reply: 22
What fast are you talking about? I haven't done one?
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, December 8, 2008, 3:57pm; Reply: 23
Christopher, so please don't foget to take your supps. to get a bit more of minerals into your system ;)....
Posted by: suzedgar, Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:08pm; Reply: 24
I have yet to do the grain free approach but in the past, this has worked out really well for me - with one flaw though. I am not sure how good my energy levels were.  
Posted by: JoanneO, Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:21pm; Reply: 25
I'm an O gatherer on the genotype diet for 6 months and it has been very good for me but I had to drop cottege cheese and compliant grains and beans because I couldn't digest them.  I do not have a weight problem and I have no sugar cravings, but I still wanted to find a way to eat more grain and perhaps introduce dairy back into my diet.  I am currently experimenting with fermented grains for breakfast once or twice a week ( my regular breakfast is veggies, egg and meat scramble with ghee or olive oil) and I found a source of raw cow's milk close by and I am on my 2nd batch of homemade yogurt made from that.  So far, my body is digesting fermented grains, raw milk, seeds and nuts and vegetables very well. Fermenting the compliant foods on my list that I had a hard time with, made a huge difference in what my body will be happy with.  There are more foods on the list that I want to experiment with like  beans.  Fermented foods have been around for thousands of years in all cultures and all climates and all blood types.  I do well with meat, veggies some fruit....I just wanted to broaden my diet out a bit and pick up some nutrients that perhaps I was missing.  Fermenting seems to be a  way I can do this.      
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:21pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from suzedgar
What fast are you talking about? I haven't done one?


Oh... maybe you are the wrong poster.  There were two threads a few months back where the gals were talking about doing a fast to try and get a new start.  

I apologize, I thought you were one of those gals.   :o
Posted by: Christopher, Monday, December 8, 2008, 5:16pm; Reply: 27
suzegar- I drink kikucha tea in the mornings but in the summer I make smoothies from the berries. I dropped the flaxseed as well because I felt it was bloating for me.

funkymuse- if you are generous with the yogurt in the recipe it will rise but make sure it is cool before you try to cut it or it will crumble.The recipe is a guideline, I think wifey likes to put crushed walnuts in it as well.

Tomatillo- absolutely correct I take vit D and minerals

Joanne O- I played around with veg ferments and tried my wifes raw goat milk Kefir,kefir cheese and yogurt all with the same results...intolerance for me but she thrives on the dairy...interesting that O- is a prominent BT in the Caucasus which is where the kefir "grains" originally come from.
I found out recently that I have a much higher % of Native American genes than I had thought which makes perfect sense now in the context of a Paleo Hunter diet.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:01pm; Reply: 28
(huh)(huh)(huh)(scared)(happy_gangsta)(goofy)

thweetpie...whoooo is Tomatillooooo??)... :X :X
nothing has grown since in that area....;) it seems that I am a bit more masculin ... buuuut nooot at  tshis point...(evil)(dizzy)(think)(grin)(oh)...or have I overlooked something ??)...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D(naughty)(bunny)(hand)


and hope to stay Tomatilla da very firschd.....!!! :D
Posted by: angelighte, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:57am; Reply: 29
Christopher how did you dind out you had a higher % of Natice American genes?

Looking forward to hearing more about your diet and what you eat and also your wife since she is an explorer like I am exlporing, if I am one too...

I love things like yoghurt and goats milk and have been meaning to try kefir for a while...

Has your wife perfected her explorer diet for herself yet or still experimenting?

Posted by: cindyt, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:03am; Reply: 30
Quoted from JoanneO
I am currently experimenting with fermented grains for breakfast once or twice a week ( my regular breakfast is veggies, egg and meat scramble with ghee or olive oil) and I found a source of raw cow's milk close by and I am on my 2nd batch of homemade yogurt made from that.  So far, my body is digesting fermented grains, raw milk, seeds and nuts and vegetables very well. Fermenting the compliant foods on my list that I had a hard time with, made a huge difference in what my body will be happy with.  There are more foods on the list that I want to experiment with like  beans.  Fermented foods have been around for thousands of years in all cultures and all climates and all blood types.  I do well with meat, veggies some fruit....I just wanted to broaden my diet out a bit and pick up some nutrients that perhaps I was missing.  Fermenting seems to be a  way I can do this.      


How do you ferment grains?  Is this like sourdough?

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 5:04am; Reply: 31
sprouting is also an option...
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 5:08am; Reply: 32
Christopher, Hunters can't do yogurt...  :X
Posted by: Raquel, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:15am; Reply: 33
Quoted from Amazone I.
(huh)(huh)(huh)(scared)(happy_gangsta)(goofy)

thweetpie...whoooo is Tomatillooooo??)... :X :X
nothing has grown since in that area....;) it seems that I am a bit more masculin ... buuuut nooot at  tshis point...(evil)(dizzy)(think)(grin)(oh)...or have I overlooked something ??)...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D(naughty)(bunny)(hand)


and hope to stay Tomatilla da very firschd.....!!! :D



a big mistake dear ISA.... ;D
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 5:00pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Christopher
I would say the only difference is cutting out legumes and grains altogether,other than that it was just fine tuning the Hunter diet for me.
The premise of a Paleo diet is to only eat the foods that were around when the Homo Sapein Sapein genotype evolved...pure hunt and gather. Its really just a broad concept rather than a diet.


My bold  :o

I would say the only difference is if one believes in Dr. D's work or not. Whether one believe on a nutritional plan based on study and experience or a broad concept, based on lots of "faith," on what we ate eons ago, which by the way, could vary greatly by region.  ;)

:K)

Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 5:13pm; Reply: 35
good point, Susanna, but the broad concept is that the food be very very close to it's natural state. Could you pick it off a bush or tree? Dig it up? Spear it? Gather it? (eggs)
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 6:24pm; Reply: 36
I almost made a similar comment to Susanna, but did not want to stir the pot. There is much to commend about the paleodiet; especially if you have the capacity (digestive and cardio-wise) for the high-carnivore component. From the bone evidence, many hunter-gatherer societies were healthy, but they we not particularly long-lived, so we don't really have the data as to whether this philosophy holds up well into advanced age (especially as most digestive functions drop precipitously after the beginning of the six decade of life).

Other than that, like I've said before, try many things and hold on to what works for you.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 6:37pm; Reply: 37
The..doc...is...brilliant.

I remember when I went low carb..I lost some weight...felt like doo doo. I tried the Paleo diet also..Yes. An A on the Paleo diet. I lasted a week. lol..
Posted by: JoanneO, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:42pm; Reply: 38
Christopher; What else does your wife ferment?  

Cindyt;  Fermenting grains is easier than than I thought it would be.  I started with a combination of quinoa flakes, quick oatmeal, flax meal and some of that Ezekiel 4;9 cereal that is so hard.  I just soaked it in pure water at room temperature with a cloth cover for 2 days.  The natural or wild yeasts in the air do the fermenting. I soak at least 2 cups of it and after two days take enough out ( about 1/3 -1/2 c )to cook for breakfast then put the rest in the fridge.  It keeps fermenting (turns sour taste) but very low activity.  I love the taste now and with some ghee, walnuts, raisins and sweetner, it's great and I experience no gas, bloating or slow-down.  

I have yet to make my first loaf of sourdough bread.  I started the starter only last Wednesday with 2 cups of spelt flour and 2 cups pure water.  I have been keeping it at room temp with a cloth cover.  It has bubbled up nicely and tomorrow will be ready to make into bread.  I am excited about this and I hope my body doesn't reject this bread too.

Lola;  sprouting is an excellent option but takes more care and starts with whole grains.  So far, I've been experimenting with grains all ready crushed, or milled. I do sprout my pumkin seeds first before they ferment (takes 6 days) and then I make this fermented nut butter out of them that reminds me of the really great, gourmet cheeses I used to eat before BTD. What do you sprout?  
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:58pm; Reply: 39
I ve sprouted all possible compliant grains, when I read ERFYT 12 years ago....I would then dehydrate them once sprouted and grind into flour to bake bread......focaccia type bread mind you, no fancy sandwich bread. ;)

fermenting your grains sounds great!

thought of using the leftover whey from the paneer as a fermenting agent in the future.....
Posted by: JoanneO, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:04pm; Reply: 40
Lola; I would like very much to sprout grains and then dry them and gind them...you're way ahead of me there.  That is on my list of things to do this summer when school is out.  Thanks for idea of using whey...no, I hadn't thought of it.   I do have whey left over from my raw cow's milk yogurt, now I know what to do with it.    
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:10pm; Reply: 41
let us know how your SD bread turns out! ;)

followed by your recipe, if possible.....lol
Posted by: Christopher, Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 12:02pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Susana


My bold  :o

I would say the only difference is if one believes in Dr. D's work or not. Whether one believe on a nutritional plan based on study and experience or a broad concept, based on lots of "faith," on what we ate eons ago, which by the way, could vary greatly by region.  ;)

:K)


You imply that Dr Cordains work is not based on study and experience which is quite incorrect.I've studied the works of Dr DAdamo,Dr Cordain and Dr Weston Price and then listened to my body to eat what works which is what we are all here for.As far as Paleo peoples not being long lived,that has been addressed many times...infant mortality,disease,trauma all play a part but the fossil record clearly shows weaker skeletons with the adoption of agriculture.
Its true that the best we can do is approximate Paleo foods with domestic animals,hybrid veg and this ridiculous plant candy that we now call fruit.
I am not suggesting that no one should eat dairy or grains but the fact remains that there is nothing in grains that cant be found in higher amounts in fruit and veg except extra carbs/filler.

I checked my fridge and cabinets against Hunter GTD and the only thing I have regularly that's  not on my "superfoods" list are avocado and coconut. It's mostly what I cut out that made the difference.
I am Paleo Hunter hear me roar! ;D

Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:38pm; Reply: 43
Quoted Text
I am not suggesting that no one should eat dairy or grains but the fact remains that there is nothing in grains that cant be found in higher amounts in fruit and veg except extra carbs/filler.


Grain and legumes are about the only sources of phytates, which are anti-oxidant mineral chelators. There are pros and cons to phytates (some people would argue that they block mineral absorption) but they do have fairly potent anti-cancer effects in the colon, which in the case of GT1 Hunters is a bit of an Achilles heal. Obviously we don't know much about paleolithic people dying of colon cancer, since this would not leave much of a fossil record.

The fossil record does shows weaker skeletal structure with the adoption of early Neolithic subsistence agriculture, but this is really more the starvation resulting from the exhaustion of the large game animals than any real agriculture, unless one is willing to call acorns and vetch an 'agrarian diet'.

Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 11:31pm; Reply: 44
Christopher, I did not know you were doing Dr. Cordain's  paleo diet. There are so many paleo diets out there  ::). Psss btw, he does not recommend sweet potato ;)

For a time I was quite into his work from the book he did with Joe Friel; ¬ďThe Paleo Diet for Athletes: A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance.¬Ē

I ended up discarding it as it recommends a ¬ďrecovery drink¬Ē containing glucose and protein powder. It bothered me how unnatural it was. It also allowed coffee or diet soda, very paleo¬Ö But I did learn and keep a lot from it.

It is actually Dr. Cordain one of the forces against grain consumption because of the Phytic acid/phytate. The Weston A. Price Foundation recommends the consumtion of grains previously prepared by soaking, sprouting or sour leavening to neutralize phytic acid and other anti-nutrients.

I still think that Dr. D¬ís work is more: food = medicine. The example he showed above with the grains. He is aware of the phytic acid, has evaluated it and recommends it because it is good for something else. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my ¬ďancestors¬Ē ate. I want to improve on it. adapt it to the 21st century. Also I wonder how some A¬ís would age. I guess I believe in blood type differences, lol.

I would say paleo could work very well for most people compared to SAD. It is over time the important issue.

But as you mentioned on the first post, grains do not make you feel good so it obviously works for you. But beware, coconut and avocado are black dots. You have done GTD six month, you can consume them now but, in moderation not on a daily basis lol.

Best wishes.

:K)
Posted by: Christopher, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 2:03pm; Reply: 45
Wow! Dr D posted on my thread with some good info.
Susanna if you recall sweet potatoes are recommended in the for athletes book,besides they are a Hunter superfood and not a member of the nightshades like white potatoes.There are various guidelines that people call "paleo" but diet soda and protein drinks are junk as we all know.

I agree with you in that the Paleo is more of an elimination diet and GTD is more food as medicine.Grains are not medicine for me in any way...pure intestine stretching filler,I'll stick with green veggies from now on.
Posted by: suzedgar, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:29pm; Reply: 46
So - thought I would chime in on this thread.

It seems as if, according to Dr D's great post, that I can eat some grains - brown rice or millet and still keep my weight loss going???
I have been focusing on diamond foods as much as possible and just one piece of ezekiel with my eggs in the morning.
It seems that I have actually already lost a pound! These diamond foods are extraordinary.

I still have not given up the one cup of coffee - ugh!
I need to do this because I am going to England for Christmas and no one drinks coffee in my family and I will be grumpy without!!
Posted by: Jenny, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 8:33pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Susana
I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my ¬ďancestors¬Ē ate. I want to improve on it. adapt it to the 21st century. Also I wonder how some A¬ís would age. I guess I believe in blood type differences, lol.

I would say paleo could work very well for most people compared to SAD. It is over time the important issue.




Chiming in as an Ao, I happen to know that my mother was AA (due to the fact that she had an A1 child, and another A2 child) and that her meaty, milky diet was her mainstay until her death at age 46 of bone cancer.You could say that she did not have the opportunity to age, but already in her forties I thought she looked old (from a teenager's perspective of course). I think she was a Teacher from her appearance. That is clearly only of anecdotal value in a scientific sense, but it seems like some sort of evidence to me of differing needs of different blood types.

Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:03pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Jenny

Chiming in as an Ao, I happen to know that my mother was AA (due to the fact that she had an A1 child, and another A2 child) and that her meaty, milky diet was her mainstay until her death at age 46 of bone cancer.You could say that she did not have the opportunity to age, but already in her forties I thought she looked old (from a teenager's perspective of course). I think she was a Teacher from her appearance. That is clearly only of anecdotal value in a scientific sense, but it seems like some sort of evidence to me of differing needs of different blood types.



Hi Jenny, I hope you can answer some questions for me.

Did you know for sure that your mother was an AA or are you deducting that she was?

What is type Ao?

Does that mean that one of your parents was type O?  Is Ao different from
A1?

Oooh, I'm so confused but so curious to find out more.  My sisters and I are all type A.
We don't know what our parent's blood types were..My mother also died of cancer in her
40s..lymphoma.

What possible blood types could my parents have been if all of their children wind up with
type A blood?  
Posted by: Vicki, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:04pm; Reply: 49
Jenny,

Thanks for sharing about A1 and A2 child meaning AA mother with Type O father!
Posted by: accidental_chef, Friday, December 12, 2008, 3:07am; Reply: 50
Hi Christopher, great messages!

I've been on the GTD studiously since Jan (see thread http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1218526927/ for my testimonial)but I'm faced with challenges which might be solved with the Paleo diet. I'm not sure though..

I have a couple of questions:

1.What kind of exercises do you do and what do you eat pre & post workout? Again, there's a thread on Post workout food for Hunters...and I'm still not happy with what I eat even though it's Hunter diamonds.

2. Generally, what are your meals like..?

I'm healthy and do not suffer from cravings and food addiction. My biggest issue is belly fat which came about after eating 3C of fruit daily. I find it incomprehensible that for a person who runs 7km-10km 4 times a week and who does weights 2 times a week to have belly fat. My next biggest issue is a lack of peristalsis (not constipation).

Could you please recommend the title & author of the actual Paleo book you are following..?

Thanks very much!
AC
Posted by: Tea Rose, Friday, December 12, 2008, 4:57am; Reply: 51
How interesting that many of us hunters are having trouble with grains lately - I know I have been, legumes also.  I am only eating basmati rice and no legumes at the moment.  Could there be a seasonal reason for this?  I know I am affected by the seasons big time with sinuses, internal dampness, etc. Makes sense that there could be digestive/congestive seasonal issues too.

Things that I had no problem with in the Summer seem to be troublesome to me since Autumn began and I know that this is always the season that I have to take extra care of myself or I wind up ill.  I started GTD on Jan 5th or 6th with no noticeable problem from (compliant) grains then.  I am hoping that once I get into January I will find (compliant) grains/legume not to be so troublesome for me again.

I love the GTD and the fact that I have options from all food groups and don't see me ever eliminating a food group totally, but that doesn't mean that all the options are good for me all the time.  I imagine that is why there is SWAMI, because we are all individual AND even within our selves we may differ from season to season.  I am hoping!

Actually, I value the experience as part of the journey of getting to know myself.

Tea Rose
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 12, 2008, 5:28am; Reply: 52
good read on Aos and such.....
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2006/04/18/uk-ifhi-symposium-report-part-ii?blog=14
also
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2006/04/10/uk-ifhi-symposium-report-part-i?blog=14
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 12, 2008, 5:52am; Reply: 53
there are no diamond grains for hunters, right? :-/

don t forget, it s the diamonds which help you loose weight....
Posted by: accidental_chef, Friday, December 12, 2008, 5:57am; Reply: 54
Quoted from Lola
there are no diamond grains for hunters, right? :-/

don t forget, it s the diamonds which help you loose weight....


Yes, that's right, no diamond grains for Hunter.
Lola, it's not weight loss we are talking about :-/...
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:04am; Reply: 55
from personal experience, it is the SF grains as well as neutrals which do not do the miracles, diamond grains are doing.

but again, i am not a hunter....but did suffer from addictions in the past. ;)
Posted by: Christopher, Friday, December 12, 2008, 1:27pm; Reply: 56
Accidental Chef- You have your answer as to why you have belly fat in your post....40Km per week!!! That's cortisol overload. Long distance running is not necessarily a health promoting activity.You should do it if you love it but in no way will it change your body comp for the better.
My advice would be to dramatically reduce your long distance running and strength train and sprint more.

As far as pre and post workout food, I do nothing special at all anymore.You would probably like Paleo Diet for Athletes by Cordain as it covers this subject extensively as it applies to endurance/ld running.Sometimes I have a fruit smoothie with 1 cup of berries,nuts and oil right after if I wont be eating for a while. I only do strength training,bodyweight,yoga and corrective exercises.
A typical meal for me would be .5 to 1 cup of onions/peppers/carrot/greens sauteed in ghee,tallow whatever with 8-10 oz grassfed ground meat and 1.5 cups of broccoli.
As far as getting things moving I have tried EVREYTHING and higher fat intake with 400-800mg magnesium oxide at night is the ONLY thing that works for me and it works PERFECTLY.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 12, 2008, 2:34pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from Susana
I still think that Dr. Dís work is more: food = medicine. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my ďancestorsĒ ate. I want to improve on it.


Egggssssactly! My thoughts entirely..Very well said. :)
Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, December 12, 2008, 2:44pm; Reply: 58
Quoted Text
I still think that Dr. Dís work is more: food = medicine. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my ďancestorsĒ ate. I want to improve on it.


I always wondered how those paleolithic people managed to eat so much coconut oil.  ;D
Posted by: suzedgar, Friday, December 12, 2008, 3:21pm; Reply: 59
Christopher,
can you please expand more on your comments about cortisol being connected to putting on weight?  
If the body produces too much cortisol, you get fatter?
How does that work?
So i guess - if I give up stimulants like too much coffee etc, I could finally lose the few pounds I have been trying to lose for 6 months???
I am trying to eat as many diamond foods as possible every day and am drinking yerba mate tea but this dreadful coffee is a tough one.  It will probably involve a few days of headaches adn feeling sluggish to give it up.
Posted by: TJ, Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:28pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from suzedgar
Christopher,
can you please expand more on your comments about cortisol being connected to putting on weight?  
If the body produces too much cortisol, you get fatter?
How does that work?

High cortisol levels promote storage of body fat on the torso.  It's a stress response, saving up for lean times.

I don't know if coffee runs up cortisol levels...BUT if it did, I doubt it would be beneficial for As.
Posted by: suzedgar, Friday, December 12, 2008, 7:10pm; Reply: 61
I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that. A bloods don't have that problem so coffee probably doesn't affect them.
I think that O's might do badly on stimulants.

I guess what I am looking for is why coffee is so bad for Hunters???
Is it only because of the acidity issue or the fact it is a stimulant and affects adrenalin levels?
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, December 12, 2008, 7:57pm; Reply: 62
I think you just answered your own question....yes and yes.
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, December 12, 2008, 11:54pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from suzedgar
I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that.


We Hunters do burn off excess cortisol/adrenaline through excercise. Like anything else it is possible to overdo it. Hunters are built more for intense bursts than sustained marathons but there is room for endurance training as well.
Posted by: accidental_chef, Saturday, December 13, 2008, 7:29am; Reply: 64
Quoted from Christopher
Accidental Chef- You have your answer as to why you have belly fat in your post....40Km per week!!! That's cortisol overload. Long distance running is not necessarily a health promoting activity.You should do it if you love it but in no way will it change your body comp for the better.
My advice would be to dramatically reduce your long distance running and strength train and sprint more.

As far as pre and post workout food, I do nothing special at all anymore.You would probably like Paleo Diet for Athletes by Cordain as it covers this subject extensively as it applies to endurance/ld running.Sometimes I have a fruit smoothie with 1 cup of berries,nuts and oil right after if I wont be eating for a while. I only do strength training,bodyweight,yoga and corrective exercises.
A typical meal for me would be .5 to 1 cup of onions/peppers/carrot/greens sauteed in ghee,tallow whatever with 8-10 oz grassfed ground meat and 1.5 cups of broccoli.
As far as getting things moving I have tried EVREYTHING and higher fat intake with 400-800mg magnesium oxide at night is the ONLY thing that works for me and it works PERFECTLY.


Thanks Christopher. Your comment on the running is a bit  :o..coz I do enjoy that time of the day and it's a great stress buster. But since I'm resting for the whole of December I wont be starting on anything till January. It gives me time to reassess what I want and how I want to achieve it, and posts like yours gives me an inkling as to what I should look out for.

Ah, glad to know that it's not just me who's Mg dependant ;). Makes me think though: "but why?"...

Thanks again and best wishes!
AC
Posted by: Christopher, Saturday, December 13, 2008, 12:07pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Dr. D


I always wondered how those paleolithic people managed to eat so much coconut oil.  ;D


I suppose that would apply even more so to the other plant oils.
The whole Paleo concept is an approximation anyway since I'm not cracking femurs/skulls open and sucking the marrow out.

Chef
I blame the temporary Mg reliance on my horrific food choices the first 30 yrs of my life.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Saturday, December 13, 2008, 3:45pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from suzedgar
I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that. A bloods don't have that problem so coffee probably doesn't affect them.


I would have to beg to differ here. I could never drink coffee first, due to the fact that I am extremely caffeine intolerant it makes me extremely jumpy and agitated. Second it makes my stomach so acidic it is intolerable. I also do poorly with chocolate even though it is found naturally in chocolate, tea and coffee.  

So I had to avoid some things on the btd that were supposed to be ok. chocolate and coffee were two of those things. I will only drink decaffeinated tea.

Knowing that I am an explorer has answered the questions as to why the btd was never actually quite right for me.

Like hunters I do well with vigorous exercise.
Posted by: Raquel, Saturday, December 13, 2008, 4:18pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from accidental_chef
I have a couple of questions:

My biggest issue is belly fat which came about after eating 3C of fruit daily. I find it incomprehensible that for a person who runs 7km-10km 4 times a week and who does weights 2 times a week to have belly fat.

AC


AC, dou you try some fat bunner GTD supps??
and less carb and fruit.. :-/

7-10 km is good...what time dou you do?


Posted by: accidental_chef, Sunday, December 14, 2008, 9:59am; Reply: 68
Quoted from Raquel


AC, dou you try some fat bunner GTD supps??
and less carb and fruit.. :-/

7-10 km is good...what time dou you do?


Raquel, my issue is the sudden flab on the tummy, and this I have discovered is b'coz of too much fruit. There is also dampness in the upper body which is affecting my kidney & bladder, so that's another thing I've been tyring to heal. Also, I feel my insides are squashed bcoz of such a short torso (just 1" between the lower rib to the top of the hip bone) and with age everything is succumbing to gravitational force much more than before :B :D!

I'm not on any supplements, but I do take a high dose of B Complex and also fish oil which is recommended for Hunters, both once a day. And of course Mg oil mixed in some juice before bed to help things happen  ;)!

Actually I dont run the entire 7-10km in one pace. I sprint 100meters then I brisk walk and then sprint again etc., Last year I ran a 10km marathon race at around 48mins. It was my first time and I did it to experience what it was like to take part in such an event. I feel that timings are personal and everyone's pace is different. Hope this helps  :K)
Posted by: Raquel, Sunday, December 14, 2008, 6:19pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from accidental_chef
I feel that timings are personal and everyone's pace is different. Hope this helps  :K)


I agree...so you did a good time at marathon..of course you are Hunter...have you trained all you life??

Some probiotics BTD (Poliflora NAP) is good for colon and fruit digestive... I'm taking now and it`s a great supp...
and some liver detox may help to burn some fat 'located'...
;)
Posted by: mikeo, Sunday, December 14, 2008, 10:23pm; Reply: 70
the paleo diet is very close to the non secretor O diet. Most hunters who cannot lose weight on the  Hunter diet are either exercising too little or not at all or are Aerobically deficient meaning their exercise programs are aerobically deficient (too much anearobic exercise) or they overexercise or are excessively stressed.

I would recommend the Maffetone Method for exercise for Hunters
Posted by: Raquel, Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:49pm; Reply: 71
Mikeo, what is Maffetone Method???
thanks,
;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:03pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from accidental_chef

Raquel, my issue is the sudden flab on the tummy, and this I have discovered is b'coz of too much fruit.



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Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:15am; Reply: 73
Quoted from suzedgar
I think that O's might do badly on stimulants.

I guess what I am looking for is why coffee is so bad for Hunters???
Is it only because of the acidity issue or the fact it is a stimulant and affects adrenalin levels?

Yeah, Os are easily stimulated already, right? ;)

Quoted from Captain_Janeway
I would have to beg to differ here. I could never drink coffee first, due to the fact that I am extremely caffeine intolerant it makes me extremely jumpy and agitated. Second it makes my stomach so acidic it is intolerable. I also do poorly with chocolate even though it is found naturally in chocolate, tea and coffee.

I agree, it's probably because:
Quoted from Captain_Janeway
I am an explorer
not a typical A!

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