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Goldie
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I have looked in the Geno related posts and have not found many Geno specific threads.

I am o neg, non sec = Gatherer.. and I wonder are there no gatherers here? and actually how many are there? could it be that the O non sec makes this a rare item?  there seem to be few gatherers in any of the posts.. is it just my impression or am I just wrong?

Gatherers I am holding my breath to meet you.. with a  



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I'm thinkin' there are a lot of gatherers here...but wonder, too.....where are they?????
Actually, Geminisue started a thread for gatherers...but it disappeared. I think we need one. We need to share menus and stuff.
Let's keep this one going.
I'm on swami, but it is so much like the gatherer....
One thing I love is taking cranberry juice (completely unsweetened) and dilute with water about 8-1
(more water) and add stevia to taste. It makes a great drink!!!!
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Hi Joli and Jayneeo, yes I did start one, and it kept disappearing, from lack of post, so I left it buried, wherever it is. lol But yes we can begin again and see what everyone wants to talk about.  

I find eating all those vegetables a hard thing to do, I'm lucky if I get three cups in a day, but feel if I did I am doing okay.  What do you do to get them in, if you do?
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I'm here well kind of i'm on meds (allergies) I'm staying on the geno diet, but I sure can eat when I feel bad, drinking lots of different teas. I use to drink diet cokes, it kind of burned the stuff out of my throat. I'm really surprised at how easy it was to change over. For the most part I found it easy to drop the gluten. How hard were you changes, For me it was kind of like ya, this feels right.


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I love vegies, I eat mine like snacks, it helps to have bowls or zipper bags with ready to eat stuff. I do this so Ken (my bh) will have them ready for lunch, also we have always eaten alot of stir fry, curries and have a salad or other vegetable with dinner. I can eat okra, asparagus, squash, among other vegs. straight out of the garden.  What i can't eat is anything greasy. yep I'm a gatherer


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lol DH mom!  
nothing better for the munchies than a crisp head of lettice...i have some.
yeah
hear that crunching?


nothing to do? who has that!?
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thought you'd be working, I count 5 gatherers, 6 if you count dad


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Hi, another Gatherer here.  I wasn't wild about my Gatherer food list at first, but really love my list after I did my SWAMI.  It's a great combo of the O foods with Gatherer foods.



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Hi...I just got that Genotype Diet book from my library and quickly did measurements to find out I was a gatherer.  I already knew I was a secretor from the BTD before so it was pretty quick to do the advanced test.  It seems to me that most of the O foods seemed the same, but some interesting differences.  I was surprised to see cottage cheese as a superfood and also rice milk.  I was also surprised to see beef heart and beef liver as a toxin to avoid.  I went out of my way to buy these from my grass-fed beef farmer I buy from.  I guess not anymore.  I was more suprised to see blueberries, cherries, bananas, prunes, plums and prunes as toxins to avoid.  To tell you the truth, I loaded up on all of these before.  Now it suggests to eat elderberries, lingonberries &  loganberries.  There's some normal fruit like watermelon, peaches, pineapples & grapefruit, but where in the world can I buy those other berries?  I couldn't even find them in Whole Foods where I usually can find different things.  One thing I haven't ever tried is yerba mate which is supposedly another superfood drink.  I'll try it since I enjoy trying new things.

Anyway, these are some of my intial thoughts about the Genotype Diet book.  I would also like to know what the difference is between The Genotype Diet book and the Change your Genetic Destiny book.  Are there different food lists in this book?  Is it basically the same thing?  Some reviews I read appear to say the same thing I got from the Genotype Diet book.

I say keep this Gatherer thread going and see what we can get out of this!

Don
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Hi Joli and Jayneeo, yes I did start one, and it kept disappearing, from lack of post, so I left it buried, wherever it is. lol But yes we can begin again and see what everyone wants to talk about.  

I find eating all those vegetables a hard thing to do, I'm lucky if I get three cups in a day, but feel if I did I am doing okay.  What do you do to get them in, if you do?


I too have a hard time eating veggies.  I recently started adding them to my smoothies.  Its a fantastic way to get a lot in without tasting them.  For breaksfast I blend a 1.5 cups of two types of fruit (like mango & berries); then I add in 2-3 cups of spinach or collards.  It looks like mud, but it is so tasty!     
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difference is between The Genotype Diet book and the Change your Genetic Destiny book

none


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Dr. D put a new cover on the book!
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Hallo All Gatherers, I am also a Gatherers and glad to see that we can communicate amongst each other again.

I dont mind the veggies as long as they are tucked away in stews.


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we haven't done the taster or secretor test yet, So, guess we need to get that done before any of us can do the swami. Am I guessing right


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Welcome to the Gatherers TEA klatch.. oh gosh.. how nice..  

SO, there are 10 Gatherers here over night.. I am surprised -   it seems that there are more RH + then I expected....

So we all have shorter lower legs.. welcome to this smorgasbord..  

yet you know if we could find the old post (know where it might be?) then we could continue that one .. I am willing.. but in the interim here we are ... lovely.. nice meeting you.  

I make the green veggies into a drink .. Swiss chard or spinach or dandelions about a half glass in juice and guzzle it.. let my body figure out what it is supposed to do with it. You are right some  stuff tastes like eating dirt..  

I was shocked that it its watery green veggies we are supposed to eat.. I am doing so more intense since recently.  I count the other veggies as not green but yellow for the eyes, red peppers, zucchini and such as yellow also romaine and, asparagus, as not green enough.. I make a plate full every time for lunch and dinner.. mixed stir fry half cooked with turkey.

I now cook all much less so as not to brown anything.. I used to brown onions until I read in Papa D'Adamo that it is just like burning the sugar content into caramel.. a memories from childhood.  

and as of yesterday I finally realized that I need more turkey than just a palm size.. that little bit (3-4 0z) in meat is ok (got used to it) but turkey needs be unlimited (for now) or I get hungry.   when I first started with o' diet I was eating 12 ounce steaks to make up for the loss of starches.  I needed it emotionally and physically.  I ate many more walnuts and blueberries with banana smoothies.  Over time I was able to cut back to what I think are normal portions and so later I will learn how to be full with less turkey and cut back.. but not today.

I would love to know how any of you cook your turkey???  


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I did rather poorly on the "by the book" Gatherer diet. SWAMI labels me a Gatherer, but I seem to have more O foods than Gatherer foods on my particular list. I felt hungry and unsatisfied the whole time I was doing straight GTD, and my 13yo complained that the family meals felt less satisfying as well. Just getting carrots and broccolli back has made a huge impact!

I stopped contributing to the big Gatherer thread because  I felt like I "had to" check on both the Gatherer thread and the "Fresh Start" thead daily. I found it easier to  list my daily foods ONCE per day, not twice.

I'm really not sure what's required for SWAMI and what just makes it more accurate. I did the taster test at Andrea's house when she measured me and ran my SWAMI. She also ran my SWAMI through twice, once listing me as a secretor and once as a non-secretor- there were very few changes between the two food lists. I'm not sure if you can do that with the SWAMI XPRESS though (run it through twice with different info), as Andrea has the professional version. I'd still  like to know my secretor status, but it's not really a priority anymore


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How much family history is needed, some of my family is pretty blank. broccoli is black dot and I love it so it will be back on my table this fall. Just not as much.


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I'm not a turkey fan, but usually do the roasting thing. I then use up in soups, etc. Turkey is kind of dry for me. So I could use some help here also. I raise chickens but don't eat them. Just their eggs, and I sale eggs, this helps cover the feed cost. I tell the girls "no eggs no feed" You should see them run to the nest boxes. (I'm just joking) however since we live in the county after lunch I let them out of their yard and they can get their own food. (Bugs and seeds) This has cut down the ticks.


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I can't remember when I last cooked a whole turkey, but I have been doing turkey breasts in the crockpot.  Got some going right now.  Took them out of the freezer about an hour before I threw them in the crockpot.  Added some seasonings & put it on high.  I'll let it stay there for a couple hours and then turn it down to low & leave it all day till supper.   Started it at 9:00 AM.  It comes out falling apart & still very moist.  I got this idea from someone else on the board, but I can't remember who.  Sorry.  Anyway, my Hunter husband & I like it that way.



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Hi all ....well it's 2pm

I seem to have this crazy gene called:  'being afraid of becoming hungry "  it is so stupid but it kicks in strong when I am going on a 'DIET"  ... in my mind diet equates with instant crazy FEAR that maybe I will be hungry some time..  I don't hoard anything.. nothing owns me, so no problem there.. just my mind playing real tricks.. and I don't remember being hungry other than by choice.. seldom.. if ever..

Antidote:: I just went to the market and bought 6 packages of turkey white meat called Tenderloins.. about $6.50 per pack.

I came home and felt the need to make me feel happy KNOWING that I COULD eat to my mind's delight.. somewhat removed from my body.. my body only fits so much and no more into my stomach.. but the mind has no such constrictions..

so I cut the breast up into .75 inch strips side ways.. cooked them in olive oil and then I placed them in glass jars (from coffee - able to tighten the lids..) and will place them in the refrigerator for eating later.  The other packages I will put in the refrig.. since they have a sell date of one week from now.  I expect to cook them in a day or so also and place them in the frig then also..

what is interesting is for me : that when I KNOW that I have food in the house READY to eat then I FEEL satisfied.

crazy but so is life's experiment .. I know right now I need the turkey to be waiting for me.. lots of it.. to eat cold or warm, on  plate or by hand.. ...Somehow I need to make up for the 'loss' of vegetables (in my mind) since I seldom (if ever) ate them any way.. sweet potatoes or some other imaginary item I am giving up - seldom ate them ..but in my mind.. I am afraid of the new diet.. the word terrifies me..

so for right now after a big salad and turkey I am satisfied.. and my mind can RELAXXXXXXXX    

I went for the blood test today and cant wait to see what good I did my self.. or not.. 'til later..

by the way cooking in a slow cooker is a good idea .. anything but to clean the oven.. never used it in 10 years.


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BC, that sounds so good! I remember reading that too...and now I eye turkey breasts at the store trying to imagine them fitting into my crockpot, but it always seems unlikely!
How to eat 5 c. veggies per day. (or really...more.)??? A challenge.....but getting better.
yesterday was only so-so: spinach, couple of romaine leaves, and an artichoke....fruits came easily.
Today I'll try harder with the veggies.

Joli-....love your turkey idea!!!
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I buy boneless turkey.. cant imagine handling the meat.. squeamish..

but here is a post I saw on another thread.. for our vegetables.. from veggiequeen...

Hey, Joli O- ... sorry about your eyes!  
I knew it was a lot to read, but there it is... it seemed important at the time!! Hope your eyes are rested up!  

The veggie thing is not easy at first... I know. Swiss chard, spinach, dandelion are all great places to start. I'll post this here, but maybe we should start a new thread about cooking greens to get more input! I'm always happy to learn a new way to do things.

Here's a tip... greens can be sturdy/tender, or sweet/bitter. And 2 bunches of the same type of green can be slightly different due to growing conditions, harvest time, handling/storage, etc. Lots of fresh foods can vary... so even if you don't love something the first time, don't give up. Just keep learning and trying again until you do.

You can find all sorts of recipes online either TYPEbase 4 or elsewhere. Warning! many greens recipes out in non-BTD land will lead you to believe that greens have to be cooked with cured pork in order to be "fit to eat". (As my grandmother used to say!) There is nothing further from the truth!

So try some basic greens cooking before you branch out and you'll learn alot about what you like! These ideas are great for collards, kale, chard, and mature spinach.

First, clean the greens well. Sometimes they're sandy. Submerge in water and swish them around.

Remove the center rib on collards and kale, leave it attached for chard, spinach, and dandelion. I slice out little blemishes if they bother me. Slice the leaves crosswise into 1/2" strips or 1" chunks. Let the chopped greens sit for at least 5 minutes before cooking them. This 'fixes' the enzymes and makes them more nutritious when cooked.

Bring about 1" of water to a boil with a little sea salt. You'll need a big pan to hold the raw greens but they cook down quite a bit. Stuff the chopped greens into the pan and clap the lid on. As the greens wilt, keep pushing them down into the water. Once they're in the water, reduce heat and leave the lid on. Simmer about 5 minutes, stirring occasionally if it seems necessary. After the greens have turned bright green start tasting a small piece every minute or so to judge when it becomes sweeter and loses the 'raw' taste (think front yard ha!). Don't overcook, but do cook long enough that they're tender and taste good to you. When you like it, turn off the heat.

Now you have a choice...
1. Drain most of the water off (but consider saving it to drink... is great for the stomach... reduces over-acid conditions... nixes cravings... it's actually called "pot likker" - as in liquor) and dress the greens with olive oil, salt/pepper to taste, and eat.

OR

2. Leave the water in the pot, add some olive oil, and eat it like a brothy soup. Sliced raw green onions optional.

Or for a Garlic Version - add crushed garlic after the greens have wilted in the pot, take off the lid near the end of cooking to steam off the water, dress with olive oil and serve. Really great with black-eyed peas and brown rice if you eat that. Still good if you leave off the rice.

Kale is great with the garlic version, but can also add canned cannellini beans (I use Eden Foods which are cooked with kombu) toward end to heat through, dress with olive oil. Serve. Sometimes we pile this on white spelt rotini, great if you can eat that. Still good without it. Tasty next to some chicken or fish. With sweet potato (Type O) to round it out. (Or roast butternut squash for Type A)

Whatever you do, try not to overcook the greens until they turn olive-drab green. The brighter the better, just not so bright that you feel like a bunny in your yard eating them!  

If you are cooking a meal and they get done before everything else is ready, just take the lid off the pot and let them cool down before you add the olive oil. Then just when everything else is ready, heat 'em back up quickly, oil 'em, and serve.

My SS, Type O, 16 years old, loves all these greens. He also often sprays them with a bit of Bragg's Liquid Aminos.

Enjoy! And keep us posted about how it goes...  




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YOU ARE KIDDING !?!   that has never occured to me that B's would be possibly Gatheres too??? I guess that makes some sense with turkey.. but no grains for you and no starches.. ar'nt you starving??? must say you are looking good..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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NOPE I am NOT kidding.  Starving no, deprived of some of the foods I would really like to have yes.  I had to cut all starch including my favorite, Basmatti Rice.  I just wasn't loosing weight, felt good but no weight loss. Once I cut the rice and sweet fruit like pineapple, I started losing.  My fear is once I reach goal which is about 10 lbs away and put those things back into my diet I will start gaining.  

What I am doing is like a "modified" Atkins diet (with GTD compliant foods) and it is quite boring and restrictive.  It gets frustrating for me at times because I can't have this and can't have that.  Thus the reason I want to go see Dr. D.  I am thinking he may be able to help me find my correct path.  I don't believe the BTD or the GTD Gatherer diet are the best match.  I feel great on the BTD but, don't lose and have low blood sugar issues.  I feel some foods on the Gatherer diet are for me and then some I don't feel are a good for me.  So, to lose weight, I feel like I am stuck on a "DIET" and not a way of life, due to all the restrictions.

I had the secretor test done over a year ago and could have sworn that I was a "nonnie" and was shocked when the results came back as a secretor.

Last year I had abdominal pain for months.  I jumped from one treatment to another and finally found a doctor that found a couple of problems.  One of them was my stomach produces little to NO acid.  This is not good it can cause all kinds of problems.  Many of the things my doctor wanted me to eat were contradictory to the BTD and the GTD.  I need the acidic foods in my stomach to assist with digestion etc.
The other problem I had were 4 holes (each the size of a Quarter) in the mesentery of my instestines which needed repair.  That is most likely what caused the unbearable pain that I had been having where I felt like I was going to die.

Anyway, I look like I have aged 5 years from this time last year and I am sure it is related to the low acid in my stomach.  I am such a train wreck I don't even know if Dr. D will even want to help me.  My medical history is long, but for the first time in a long time I am feeling very good stomach wise. It could be that I am eating some acidic foods that aren't compliant (by what the books says) for me, that perhaps Dr. D would say are.


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