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DoS
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So it sounds like you exercise like a Type A blood. That is unless you swim laps for 30-45 minutes.

30-45 minutes of intense exercise, 4x a week, no less. Turn that walk into a run if you aren't swimming like you want to do a triathlon. Your metabolism will improve if you exercise like your blood type wants.

Most type O blood that exercise right, don't have weight problems even with bad diets. But there seems to be a good pattern of exercising like a Type A, the total opposite needs, and then talking about weight issues. You could spend a lifetime trying to refine the perfect diet for weight... or exercise correctly and let the good levels become inconsequential to weight control.
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Quoted from Loops

I went and ate parmesan again last night.  Because I am addicted again!  Also the excuse that it is a diamond - I really didn't feel good afterwards.  My face went bright red and my fingers swelled up within the hour, after an initial 'high' were I felt really good.  I don't understand that one.  How can something be a diamond and me react so badly to it?  If it was neutral I could be more adamant in avoiding it but as I am allergic-addicted I will find any excuse to eat the stuff!


Just checking - was this a natural parmesan cheese that you grated for yourself or was it a commercial product that contained chemicals, such as anti-caking agents?  Sometimes we react to additives, thinking it is the food that bothers us.  Not saying this is the reason, just always encouraging us all to read labels very well.



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it was natural parmesan from a block.  

So I would be exercising more but I have a new baby to look after so no, not at the moment.  And I do have to disagree with exercise making a huge difference for me.  In the past I have exercised and not lost weight, and not exercised much and lost weight.  It ALWAYS comes down to diet for me.  For instance I used to eat high fat low carb and not that much exercise and lost.  The same diet made me gain when I started having thyroid issues.  On the BTD I wasn't exercising that much either (leg injury) and lost...on Swami I was gaining postpartum.  I hardly exercised in pregnancy either and only gained a modest amount of weight.  It is all about hormones, not how hard you are exercising, even for Os.  I exercise when I feel like it - it is not good pushing it if you aren't up to it.
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Quoted from DoS
So it sounds like you exercise like a Type A blood. That is unless you swim laps for 30-45 minutes.

30-45 minutes of intense exercise, 4x a week, no less. Turn that walk into a run if you aren't swimming like you want to do a triathlon. Your metabolism will improve if you exercise like your blood type wants.

Most type O blood that exercise right, don't have weight problems even with bad diets. But there seems to be a good pattern of exercising like a Type A, the total opposite needs, and then talking about weight issues. You could spend a lifetime trying to refine the perfect diet for weight... or exercise correctly and let the good levels become inconsequential to weight control.


She's not even 4 months postpartum. Intense exercise may not be wise just yet.


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I concur with exercise, never changed a thing for me on the scale.For me it's all about diet, lots of green veggies, low to moderate protein (low red meat) and adequate healthy oils. Sounds optimal for most people. I also agree with Ruthie, intense exercise right now will not help with fluctuating hormones. Perhaps some walking and bonding time? I do hope you feel better soon as I do know how frustrating and infuriating it can be. Maybe just go all the way back to the begining and eat "a healthy" diet, avoiding your avoids. Don't go fat heavy, minimize carbs to around 75( MOSTLY from veggies, fruit causes problems for alot of people) or under and see where that takes you. As an O, i overate fat and meats because I was was told I couldn't. It wasn't massive amounts either but more balanced works way better. Have a healthy breakfast and a few salads. See if that helps. For now, don't worry about all the crazy foods, eat fish and veggies and fill in the holes. Keep it simple and consistant


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Loops, I haven't read this whole thread, but you might want to think about two things: postpartum depression and low thyroid.

I'm all for birth (got four kids myself and breastfed all of them way beyond what's typical for an American), but they do give your glands a run for the money.  If I were you I'd see if I could find a natural thyroid supplement and see if it helps at all with the weight.  You don't even have to have your thyroid tested.  If you don't need a natural supplement, it won't hurt you to take it.

As far as PPD goes, you may have mentioned it in the previous four pages, but I thought I'd bring it up.  All the crazy hormone swings after a birth can leave you feeling horrible and sluggish and insane and fat and hungry and......   I do understand that totally.  It was always a huge struggle for me, for a full year after a birth, to not obsess about how I looked and felt.  It was so bad after the first baby that I really should have seen a doctor.  I was angry because I couldn't do what I needed to do, lonely without any help whatsoever (family was many hours away and I was new in town and didn't have friends yet and DH was in grad school so he was always gone), and this BABY was SCREAMING day and night.  

So...all that to ask if you think you may be dealing with a bit of PPD. If so, that's a whole different ballgame.


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I don't know the time tables for exercise with postpartum, but exercise helps Type O's with depression and can help some with other hormones.

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thanks.  I will look into the natural thyroid supplement.  It is possible I have some mild PPD but to be honest haven't been to a doctor because I don't want to be prescribed antidepressants and that is basically what they will do...  I feel like I need to go back to some type of low carb diet with a lot of fat, but not sure how low to go really.  I sleep better on low carb but I am scared of making a perhaps low thyroid situation worse.  However lots of carbs right now although great in pregnancy just doesn't seem to be great now.  I am also craving dairy like crazy.  I am wondering if I do need something in there although I can't eat cow cheese.  I talked to my sister in law who has a 1 year old and she said she craved a lot of dairy when she was breastfeeding.  
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You need LOTS of fat.  Dump compliant oil on everything you're eating.  While you're getting a thyroid supplement (glandular-based ones are really good), see about some fish oils.  Omega 3-6-9 oils.  Something.  Anything.  Those will help you feel good.  You're right, if you went to a doctor they'd just give you antidepressants.  At this point, do what makes you feel best.  Once that PPD is diminished (if that's part of what you're struggling through), you'll be able to think about what you can narrow down or cut out food-wise.  But I'm guessing that baby did a number on your thyroid.  

Did you take a prenatal?  If so, you might want to start taking that again too.  Pregnancy is a big adjustment for your body, but so is post-pregnancy.  It takes a lot of getting used to and trying to figure out where you are and what you need.

A new, cute haircut does wonders for one's self-view after a baby too, especially if you're losing a lot of it.  


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Quoted from Loops
I will look into the natural thyroid supplement.

Do you include any seaweed (compliant, of course) in your diet?  It has a load of minerals that would probably be very beneficial for you, but especially for the thyroid...


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thanks.  Yes I took a prenatal and am taking them still.  I also take bladderwrack.
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I might never have adhered to the dictates of any diet .. I could not..

But I do take responsibility in what I do.. meaning: I need to test all things for me.. like I am now wondering if some foods are better than others..

Like bananas, are they better than a sweet potato?  Are certain foods better even though they have the same value within their group? but compared to thers have less value?

Like the sweet potato, do the calories of it act the same as the banana?   Are the starches in the one different from the other?  Should I only have i.3 of banana because of its sugar? while a whole sweet potato might be better sugar wise?

I think now, there is much more we could evaluate not only for this or that, but its own totality in what it is doing to me/us.  

IF for instance I can adhere to eating fewer snacks that will derail me when I eat enough meat, is that better, or is less meat better for the health of me.  

So much to still learn.. experiment with, a lifetime of working it out.


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The thing I always remember about being pregnant is that it took 9 months to put the weight on and it takes 9 months or longer to take the weight off.  I have never gotten down to the same weight before baby, I have been within 5 lbs but my body is strong and healthy.  

I started exercising right after I had my last kid, I went water skiing the weekend after I had him and continued doing all things fun postpartum.  I went golfing the day before I had him, I wasn't doing too many fun things while I was pregnant, I was a bored pregnant lady.   I was back on snow skiis 5 months postpartum feeling very strong and in control.

I was in the process of selling my business just after I had R, so I was busy with meetings and feeding him.  When I sold the business, I was at the gym at least 3 days a week (I needed the socialization) and slowly, after about 1 year, my body started to look like it did before baby.  

If you are going by scale alone, stop, because it is not a true evaluation of what your fat to lean is.  You are carrying a larger volume of blood (I always found my hemoglobin was higher so I could run easier) my rib cage got larger while I was pregnant and again, it took a year for things to return to pregnancy state.  
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thanks.  Ok so first off, I didn't gain loads in pregnancy.  I literally gained 11 kilos, 9 of which came off within 2 weeks of giving birth!  It was only after this that I started gaining, eating exactly the same way.  So for me it was not pregnancy weight.  Secondly, I have a body fat monitor, and yes I have increased fat stores - correlating with the weight gain - it is all fat apparently!  I was so happy when I could eat carbs again - and now it seems I can't once more.  Meat, veggies and fat is just so hard to stick to without dairy I find.  But I have no choice.  The scale just edged up again and I am fed up beyond belief.  Blah.  Stupid non-secretor body.  I actually can't believe I am an explorer - I should be a gatherer with the problems I have had with my weight.
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Blasphemy... I wish I could eat meat and veggies for every meal. You got it good, so good.
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Loops, great your thyroid checked.  My thyroid went a bit crazy 1 year after having kids.  Once I got on thyroid meds, my weight stabilized.

Also, get your other hormones checked, you could be producing too much estrogen (common after pregnancy), which in turn cuts off thyroid hormone from working properly.
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Loops, great your thyroid checked.  My thyroid went a bit crazy 1 year after having kids.  Once I got on thyroid meds, my weight stabilized.

Also, get your other hormones checked, you could be producing too much estrogen (common after pregnancy), which in turn cuts off thyroid hormone from working properly.


do you think low carb can disturb the thyroid?
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I don't know if low carb can affect thyroid, my thyroid gets very unhappy when I touch grains or when I get really stressed, literally, it starts to ache.

I have read the thyroid is affectedly by pregnancy and all the changes in hormones.  
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DoS maybe you need more protein if you feel like that??  I know that barring dairy, if I am craving something I do need it (yes not counting sugar either).

A little update.  I went back to high fat low carb this time for a week including lots of dairy and stuff like salami.......I felt horrible.  I know there is the whole issue of burning more fat for energy instead of sugar...but really I suddenly remembered why I'd left in the first place.  Low carb is not for me, and eating all that dairy and pork is just HORRIBLE.  I got two huge zits on my chin after having been mostly dairy-free for ages, and I just felt really toxic and clogged up.  I think the salami didn't do great things for me either.

So now I am back to BTD because I just feel like this is the answer for me.  Basically I am avoiding too much rice right now, and also all dairy apart from maybe ghee which is a superfood for me.  But lots of beneficial fruit, juices (which have always been fine for me diluted), red meat, veggies, olive oil.  Eat to satisfaction....basically what I was doing before I got pregnant.  If I got out for sushi I will obviously eat rice.

I also got HORRIBLE ANGRY red eczema on my finger after going back to dairy.  I had cleared it all up before - all of it.  After a couple of days on BTD the redness is gone and it is no longer itchy.  I am a true type O non-secretor that is for sure.  I also seem to bloat horribly after eating pork.

I was thinking about Swami.  There is a lot of information that I just don't have to input right now for that.  I am thinking maybe it would work better if I had more things to tell it.  I will maybe get some tests done at the doctors.

One thing is for sure.  I finally held onto a pregnancy after eating BTD for 6 months, and eating Swami during pregnancy I produced a really healthy and beautiful baby - I get compliments on him ALL the time at the supermarket etc.  He doesn't seem to have any eczema from having the formula like I did as a baby, and I am still giving him some breast milk that I produce - he has not been sick once in his life yet.

Swami is right about something though - prunes are horrible for my gut....lol.  I will update again, as I fear people reading this thread might get the idea that I had no success.
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by the P'way, when I say low carb, i am not suggesting you eat dairy or pork. Even Dr/D recommends a high protein low carb lifestyle for o's. So, low carb with beneficial veg, meat and fruits ( limited) is what works for me.
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Ok, so you did an experiment and found out that BTD does work! Sometimes we just need to learn things the hard way.

It sounds like you're now on the right track- BTD, no restrictions on healthy foods, but cutting WAY down on rice since you have a specific problem with that one food.


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Hi Loops, I have read the whole thread with great interest and concern. I feel for you. Although I am have not been pregnant, I have very similar issues as you regarding weight gain. I do consider myself in perimenopause and I have uterine fibroids and ovarian cysts. They don't seem to get smaller and I'm gaining lots of weight/fat around the ab and waist, even though I have been compliant with my SWAMI food list most of the time. When I first started on this diet 3 years ago, I ate tons of veggies and about 3oz of animal protein per day. SWAMI gave me triple the amount of animal protein per day and I have been eating accordingly. Anyhow, I don't know how much of that has to do with my weight gain. I would say not much because I notice that if I eat more protein I don't gain on a day-to-day basis but when I eat starchy food and grains, I gain right away. For some time I was eating more and more Manchego as it is one of a few allowable cheeses on my list. Manchego is a Bennie. So that might have caused my gradual weight gain, although I must say it made my tummy feel so good. The problem with me right now is that my body craves so much food and holds on to fat, which I suspect has to do with the drop in estrogen, because estrogen can be produced from fat itself.

I know that I can lose a lot of weight if I go back to how I ate before--tons of greens and a small portion of animal protein. But somehow I get bored/tired of eating that way, and I know I'd feel unsatisfied.

I can't give you any good advice except that I can relate to your situation and that perhaps the stress of thinking about weight gain is causing your cortisol level to rise and that in turn would make your body hold on to the fat. Whatever diet makes you feel good then stick to it. Like some of the forum members here, I do think that you will shed your pounds after some time, as right now your body is going through changes after pregnancy. Take care!


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Hi -

thanks Ruth yes I feel like this is the right way to eat for me.  I am eating a lot of fruit but that is what I crave - I eat the meats and lots of vegetables as well.

Balletomane - lots of vegetables and a small portion of meat sounds like a starvation diet.....were you ever a conscious food restrictor for your ballet body?  I have read that it takes many calories to fully recover from this state, and often the body will gain above what it likes before settling back down to its desired set-point.  Women need 2500 calories a day - did you know that?  Most of us are in the habit of restricting.  I am no longer doing that - I stopped 5 years ago when I started low carbing - calories I mean.  That is why I am eating to appetite and won't ever be told to do otherwise again.  I still firmly believe it is the types of food one eats that matters, and that calories should be firmly left upto the body to decide.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply you had been restricting calories before....just in case that was the case.  I am personally intolerant to casein so yes I gain a lot of bloat when I eat cheese.  I am not sure if that is temporary or permanent with regards to Swami.  I know I get zits and eczema with dairy.
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Hi Loops,

Good question. I think I was eating less than 2000 calories a day... probably close to 1,200, without counting and without being aware of it. Actually I did not mean to aim for an "ideal ballet body" but it became that way for about 2 years when I first started with BTD and SWAMI. Interesting idea that the body is gaining back what it lost?!

Prior to BTD, I was on a vegan/raw diet. Was definitely in starvation mode, and the goal was not to lose weight but to shrink my fibroids. I lost a lot of muscles and was down to 97lbs for my 5'3" frame. I had not been that slim for a long time and really enjoyed how I looked when I danced. Losing weight was never a goal but a by-product of eating right. I maintained that weight for 2 years when I started BTD and SWAMI, but started gaining steadily since last year. That's why, like you, I've been puzzled why I have been gaining all that weight (I'm talking about 15-20 pounds) even though I'm compliant.

Regarding dairy, if you get reactions from eating your Diamond cheeses, then I'd suggest not to touch them. There are individual allergies that SWAMI may not take into account so we need to adjust accordingly.


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yes I am off the dairy and feeling much better.  My eczema is fast fading as well, and no more zits.  Yeah 1,200 calories is very low.  I don't count the calories I just know when I haven't eaten enough because I will still be hungry!  Sometimes though, if your zinc status gets low enough (which happens with low food intake and especially protein foods like meat) your appetite can be blunted - that is what happens with anorexics, but also with less extreme low calorie intakes - especially if protein is restricted.  I hope you find an answer with your fibroids - they do not sound like fun!
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