I'm doing a self-analysis of various food groups to try to identify why this has re-emerged as an issue for me. What I do is totally eliminate something for 2 days in a row, keeping a record of the result. So far I have tested tea, gluten, fruit and mushrooms including quorn. No clear result yet, but I am ever hopeful.

I bet it is the quorn or any other processed food

Could be a combination of two foods together as well...

Did an elimination diet, oh about 10 years ago to determine food allergies and I had to eat only three or four foods for a week to get to point 'zero' and test each food for THREE days.
Maybe you'd need to do the same...two days might not be long enough...

You didn't pick up a small bug somewhere that might have compromised your gut bacteria temporarily   ?

Good Luck!

Keep us posted with your progress  

Flatulence is from undigested food that the bacteria take one last shot at for you. Mushrooms are difficult to digest, chew them well. Gluten is not digestible. Digestive enzymes are helpful for many (plant based). As far as easily available, Enzymedica, to me, is very good quality. I have been through the Loomis training and like their products very much as well.

I've pretty much discovered that dairy is an issue for me at this point.

please augment your intake of Betain HCL.....

Your gut flora is still not right. Did you  ever take any gastro D?


  As a diabetic you have probably have gastroparesis your transit time is longer.

I also use the Enzymedica brand of digestive enzymes, one Digest with each meal, and it helps very much.

As Yvonneb said, "Could be a combination of two foods together as well..."  

I don't strictly follow food combining principles, but there are some foods that I won't eat together or I know I will have digestive discomfort.  It might be worth it for you to look into experimenting with what might affect you in this area.

thank you so much people...what an amazing list of ideas!

I have written down digestive enzymes,
                               "digest"
                                gastro D
                                Betain HCL
                                enzymedica
and I was also thinking of that drinking thing...angostura bitters.
It's up to me to decide which one to use, probably it will boil down to what I can get in my local pharmacy.

Deary.. when I take more of the Threhalose Complex then I get some passing air issues.  It comes from mushrooms.. could the mushrooms be the issue in its own right- depending on how much you ate?

What might be in mushrooms that are so cancer fighting?  Could it be a symptom that some thing is happening within FROM what we ate before.. I always come back to look at what I ate before.. where I strayed, and what may be the reason.. invariably I find it is me doing it.

If you went to all Super Beneficials/Diamonds or Beneficials only, (lets say for 2 days) does flatulence and or bloating go away?  

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C-Andrea:   As a diabetic you have probably have gastroparesis your transit time is longer.

The idea that diabetics digest slower is interesting ... can you elaborate?  

mycotherapy is one of the most efficient as a ca-therapy....

I agree with the combination of foods theory.

Cucumbers help relieve me when I have an upset stomach/gas.  A good probiotic should help with this issue as well as others have suggested.  Culturelle always works for me (the vegetarian one).

Gas... It can happen from when your digestion is incomplete, but it may be accompanied by smell too. It also happens when bacteria die, so it is often good. I find dieing bacteria doesn't smell though.

Think about when people take the wrong probiotic for them. They feel good for like a little bit, then by the next day fart fart fart.

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The herb caraway (commonly called a seed but actually a mericarp) has long been used to treat various gastrointestinal disorders, including flatulence. Written evidence of this dates back to the Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BC), which has caraway listed first; and, again, it is listed in Pliny’s Pharmacopoeia.

CAUTION: Pregnant women are advised to not use caraway, as Adriane Fugh-Berman, MD, Assistant Clinical Professor of Health Care Sciences at George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Science, states that caraway may have an abortifacient effect; i.e., it may trigger an abortion or induce premature labor.

I like this one Conor...will try it, easy peasy. I am taking 2x A type probiotics per day, so that is not what is lacking, unless you think I should be taking 4 or 6.Also taking trehalose at the moment.
I have started two ameliorative factors today which may be helping...lemon juice before or with  all meals, and cooking my muesli into porridge instead of only dry baking it during preparation.
The pregnancy warning always makes me smile wryly.

I am not surprised if you take Trehalose, at first it creates gas..

I made a post in the Magnesium thread, please read it. It might apply to you also.

Jenny, good research and the result will be useful to me as well. I now and then get it: mostly one or the other beans. The ones from diary (and meat) are bad smelling too. I also noticed once or twice that one yogurt that I bought from market made me fart with bad smell and I suspect there is some problem the way the yogurt is made, as I have no problems with relatively large quantity of normal yogurt! I also read in one health text book that low iron content in body also leads to farting.

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The pregnancy warning always makes me smile wryly.

Still significant for the next generations. I wonder if anybody heard about it. I didn't. Will ask my friends and nieces.

of course Yaeli, the pregnancy advice is very important to those for whom the warning is appropriate.

I am waiting for my annual diabetes testing report and review next week and will discuss the matter with my G.P.,so in the meantime am continuing on with my personal reviewing of advice from all of you; today I went to check the availability of digestive enzymes at a pharmacy and the practitioner mentioned lactaze  (re milk products). So I took 2 lactaze tablets before lunch which had some cheese in it, (I still use yoghurt and compliant cheeses) and seem to have had a better afternoon already. Will not come to any conclusions for another 48 hours, but I sense some progress. Of course being a heavy soy user I am using a lot of beans (ref. Kumar).

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So I took 2 lactaze tablets before lunch which had some cheese in it, (I still use yoghurt and compliant cheeses) and seem to have had a better afternoon already. Will not come to any conclusions for another 48 hours, but I sense some progress. Of course being a heavy soy user I am using a lot of beans (ref. Kumar).

I think you have found your solution, Jenny!

I am no way clear as to what you ought to focus on food wise, but I am totally convinced that it is the foods you ate..

Would I heed the warnings of Dr D reg Soy? I might the same way: I do not eat chicken at all rater make it turkey.

Yet for now... it's the Trehalose that is causing gas issues. No doubt any which way. it is doing something.. maybe it loosens up old stuff enough for the body to react to, for a time negatively, in this gassy way.

BUT the sound of flatulence is weakness in ALL the muscles (anal, and urinary.............and for that I found most definitely would give the magnesium a long term try. Maybe there is a better way than milk of magnesia, like a tasteless pill.. but I think it is interesting that I never developed diarrhea as all predicted.  

You eat many more grains then I do, so mag need may not apply to you...

One other thought though is that earlier you had the same issue without TC.. so could it be a food you buy like yogurt? or cheeses? could they contain some differences between brands?

could you do beans more washed over night?- sorry I am totally ignorant here..or some other thing.. the reason I suggest it is that FOOD will fix you, and food has made many of us sick!..  

  

Thanks for all your concern Goldie, and I am sure that many of your insights are true.
I am reminded that my daughter has had lactose intolerance since she was a child (horrid upsets every time she used cow's milk), and handles it now with a product called Lacteeze which is the lactose enzyme. Regarding your suggestion of magnesium I will take it to heart if the present line of thought peters out, but actually I do use many grains, and am highly if not perfectly compliant on my Swami plan. I usually am able to find organic, compliant cheese in my local big international supermarket which also carries some organic vegetables.

Oh, well......

Go on Spring, speak your mind...

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Deary.. when I take more of the Threhalose Complex then I get some passing air issues.  It comes from mushrooms.. could the mushrooms be the issue in its own right- depending on how much you ate?

What might be in mushrooms that are so cancer fighting?  Could it be a symptom that some thing is happening within FROM what we ate before.. I always come back to look at what I ate before.. where I strayed, and what may be the reason.. invariably I find it is me doing it.

If you went to all Super Beneficials/Diamonds or Beneficials only, (lets say for 2 days) does flatulence and or bloating go away?  



The idea that diabetics digest slower is interesting ... can you elaborate?  

Goldie, where did you get the information that Trehalose comes from mushrooms? I could not find that in the supplement information.
But I am interested in the idea of mushrooms, and today am working on "yeast" as the possible culprit, which means no more bread, wine, mushrooms, quorn, and anything else that helpful people can give me.
I had thought a few days ago that milk products (ie compliant on my Swami) were the problem as Lacteeze seemed to solve it until I realized that on those days I had also not used bread, wine or fungi.
What a tangle!

Jenny I had definitely seen that information re mushrooms... as it made me cautious, since mushrooms are not on the explorer list... Might come up in a search

Are you sure that the trehalose you are getting is actually from mushrooms? That kind of trehalose is quite expensive.

I am using Trehalose Complex from our Dadamo site via the NZ supplier

it is doing what it is supposed to do

give it time
stay compliant

read up on autophagy.......that s what is happening inside you...cellular repair

http://metamodern.com/2010/07/24/autophagy-why-you-should-eat-yourself/

Lola, are you saying that any conclusions I reach by elimination of food groups are irrelevant, and that I should just focus on seeing my condition as autophagy being facilitated by Trehalose?
(Because since yesterday the signs are that yeast products are causing my situation.)

Here's what's happening to me re:flatulence.  I have gone 100% compliant in the last few days.  I am doing the washout in July/August with absolutely no cheating.  So far so good.  I have gone from lots of burping/belching to lots of flatulence.  It is strange.  This has never happened to me before.  I have eliminated wheat from my diet.  Increased flax.  Started adding lemon to my water.  Started taking a lot more Betaine HCL.  Various and sundry things.  

I'll go a day without beans (only a Tbsp of peanut butter from the vege pro list) and then suddenly in the evening here comes the flatulence.  I think it's a good thing actually.  I checked off a couple more things on my SWAMI (heart conditions, joint problems) and I like what I see now.  No wheat on my superfoods list for one thing.  I also have backed off on the amount of food that Dr. D has suggested.  It is just too much for my current lifestyle of simply taking walks for exercise.  Even if I adjust my exercise amount, he still suggests the same amount of food.  I don't understand that at all.

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Jenny I had definitely seen that information re mushrooms... as it made me cautious, since mushrooms are not on the explorer list... Might come up in a search

Commercially produced trehalose usually comes from starch, as far as I can find.
Some mushrooms contain high levels of trehalose, that's for sure; I don't know if they're the trehalose source in TC.
Maybe an email to the TC manufacturer could help?

goggled it: in Wiki..

`````In plants, the presence of trehalose is seen in sunflower seeds, moonwort, Selaginella plants,[8] and sea algae. Within the fungi, it is prevalent in some mushrooms, such as shiitake (Lentinula edodes), maitake (Grifola fondosa), nameko (Pholiota nameko), and Judas's ear (Auricularia auricula-judae), which can contain 1% to 17% percent of trehalose in dry weight form (thus it is also referred to as mushroom sugar). Trehalose can also be found in such microorganisms as baker's yeast and wine yeast, and it is metabolized by a number of bacteria, including Streptococcus mutans, the common oral bacterium responsible for dental plaque.````

.... Actually half of that I did not wish to analize, to complicated for my lazy brain, but I got much out of reading other sights.. kind of fun.. seems it is protecting us from drying out, ergo the face looking less wrinkled? ha ..  and we might revitalize years after we died, if someone will just give us some water??? ha-ha

Go look around, it has many applications, like the Vit C of this millenia? ! just because they have figured out how to manufacture it.   it will be placed in all foods.. scary as well as exiting..  


Jenny.. it is always in the foods.. no doubt about that.. the K is my issue.. so not all is the same.. I for myself get tired of sups I would rather eat.. or eliminate.. until some other substance/info crawls out from under a rock..

You might look at this.. I just posted there..

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1341232043/s-0/#num7  

I am definitely restricted when it comes to mushrooms, but I certainly haven't had any problems with Trehalose Complex. Here is part of the history of Trehalose!  
Trehalose was previously being manufactured through an extraction process from cultured yeast, but, since production costs were prohibitive, use was limited to only certain cosmetics and chemicals.
In 1994, Hayashibara, a saccharified starch maker in Okayama prefecture, Japan, discovered a method of inexpensively mass-producing trehalose from starch. The following year, Hayashibara started manufacturing trehalose by activating two enzymes, the glucosyltrehalose-producing enzyme that changes the reducing terminal of starch into a trehalose structure, and the trehalose free enzyme that detaches this trehalose structure. As a result, a high-purity trehalose from starch can be mass produced for a very low price.

I think when we start having flatulence it is a good thing to make sure we are compliant and no unusual traumata going on. If those things are okay, the next thing is to look at detox etc.. I wonder how many hours most of us have spent trying to figure out the first two when it actually had to do with the last! Finally, after a lot of years of detoxing and reading ABJoe's many posts about it, I tend to start thinking about detox right off the bat!! Saves a whole lot of unnecessary hassle! A post-it on the fridge might help to remember - DETOX!!

there is enough information in the past few days for me to go into deep research mode which is rather intimidating at the moment... and I can't believe that I really am detoxing at such a level now after 10 years of pretty good adherence to one or other of the Dadamo programs. My gut feeling (heh heh) is to continue watching my foods (and keeping daily records) to see if a pattern emerges.
Today my big food theory is peanut butter which I sometimes use in excess.  (see Adam above)

Jenny, I have been on first one and then the other of Dr. D.'s diets for approaching thirteen years, and I still detox! Not severely, of course, but it happens! Anyway, I consider it rather interesting figuring out what is going on with my body. I hope you get your answer soon!!

avoid the yeast

were you not all excited about marmite the other day?

the product has many additives, no?

I didn't see anything about marmite, but it is definitely off my menu now.

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I am definitely restricted when it comes to mushrooms, but I certainly haven't had any problems with Trehalose Complex. Here is part of the history of Trehalose!  
Trehalose was previously being manufactured through an extraction process from cultured yeast, but, since production costs were prohibitive, use was limited to only certain cosmetics and chemicals.
In 1994, Hayashibara, a saccharified starch maker in Okayama prefecture, Japan, discovered a method of inexpensively mass-producing trehalose from starch. The following year, Hayashibara started manufacturing trehalose by activating two enzymes, the glucosyltrehalose-producing enzyme that changes the reducing terminal of starch into a trehalose structure, and the trehalose free enzyme that detaches this trehalose structure. As a result, a high-purity trehalose from starch can be mass produced for a very low price.

Do we know how our Dadamo Trehalose is manufactured?

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were you not all excited about marmite the other day?

the product has many additives, no?

Lola, has it? It is neutral in my SWAMI.   and I am excited about it...  

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Jenny, I have been on first one and then the other of Dr. D.'s diets for approaching thirteen years, and I still detox! Not severely, of course, but it happens! Anyway, I consider it rather interesting figuring out what is going on with my body. I hope you get your answer soon!!

Toxins enter us just by going out our front doors. We all breathe car fumes etc...so in this day and age, it is no wonder that we are in need of keeping on top of our cleanses. Also...peanuts are usually associated with mold issues. Apparently one can buy 'jungle peanuts' and they don't have the mold issue. You can google 'jungle peanuts', there are a few companies that sell them. We bought some but are not suppose to have peanuts.  

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Do we know how our Dadamo Trehalose is manufactured?

I'm sure it is the more recent method or there is no way under the sun we could afford it!!

make your own without the additives if you can t find a clean source

Make our own? How please?

We needed this weeks ago in the TC thread, Conor!! Thanks for posting it!!

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make your own without the additives if you can t find a clean source

I've just realised that you may be talking about marmite/vegemite here, and not Trehalose?

TC is on issue with flat.. yes! Time to figure out when to take it.. at night ? I have been able to sleep with it ..  so the evening might be on option..?  

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I am not surprised if you take Trehalose, at first it creates gas..

I made a post in the Magnesium thread, please read it. It might apply to you also.

I zipped through the Mag. entries, and am taking that advice to heart too....more pumpkin seeds and spinach coming up in my diet this week. Thanks Goldie

Jenny,

Check out "The Food Combining/Blood Type Diet Solution" by Dina Khader. Don't eat fruit or drink water with protein (15 min before, 45 min after). Fruit can ferment and cause gas when eaten with protein because they require different enzymes and digestion times. Drinking water with protein will dilute stomach acid and inhibit digestion. It works for me. Good luck

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I've just realised that you may be talking about marmite/vegemite here, and not Trehalose?

Well, I started to say that she wasn't talking about TC but thought you would figure it out!!

I used to love fruit with my meals, but I don't do that anymore. It was not really a conscious decision. I just enjoy fruit a lot more away from my other foods. I'm glad my body has more sense than I do!!

Thanks Spring and de-nogent for mentioning fruit.
Actually I think I may have got to the bottom of the problem now..
Since an emotional trauma in recent months I have been overindulging in fruit and sugar which is a neutral on my Swami. By overindulging I don't mean bingeing, just the odd snack. I have gone back to my rigid adherence to protocols now, and am fine.
Great discussion everyone.

Just to clarify, it appears that my system can no longer tolerate any type of sucrose or even fructose...boo hoo. But all the other foods that I tested have come up trumps...yeast products, soy, milk products, peanut butter etc etc.
Imagine living without fruit.?..but I think back to our ancestors who only had fruit in season, and probably not much of it.Anyway, I am feeling quite well now, and doing amazing things for my age such as playing a season in the orchestra for The Magic Flute. Hard work, night after night for 7 productions. Farewell sugar, farewell fruit.Back to reading every last undecipherable word on packets when I want a break from totally homemade food.
(But I am stubborn, and will test veg. glycerine.)

Yep, it's definitely fruit; I can have a little vg, or even sugar in minute amounts, but the moment I have more than one mouthful of any beneficial fruit, I get gassy again. Never mind, life is still worth living (you bet) without fruit.

I have no specific issue with trumpeting..  and if the fruit was it so be it.. BUT..

after your concert series, may I suggest that you get to a doctor and at least be tested once for a colonoscopy.. My mom had developed issues with bathroom issues long before she got cancer.. or I think slow growing cancer in the colon finally was making enough problems that she went for tests.

I am actually quit negligent about this advice.. yet I will do what ever it takes food wise to feel better.. IT is easy to be one sided..

As for fruit .. I am coming more and more to the conclusion that eating it alone is better.. seems to make sense also..  and in my case I am now eating:
Proteins /meat, eggs, dairy for me- away from starchy carbs.
If I were to eat starchy carbs - split them 6 hours away from protein meats and cheeses..
Low glycemic watery vegetables any meal in juice form or whatever..
Fruit halved, as a snack hours away from all other foods..Berries might be more powerful.
Drinking is still a problem.. If a glass of wine is allowed, I might dilute it just so I could flavor my water..  
I am getting some tea in,

and I am certain that Trehalose Complex is doing a great job cleaning out debree from head to tow./ it is a good supplement for us older folks with diabetes ~ I am hoping to be the other side of the 50% who  do not get Alzheimer's.. ..  

My experimenting with magnesium is helping not only my head and muscles in big ways, it also finally after several months of taking it, in any form I could.. it is finally sending me to the bathroom.  I am now doing one drop or so of the Mag/gel on my muscle-pained shoulder each day.  I think I am onto something here.. I think since it took soooo many weeks to clean me out, I was really in need of it.  

I THINK MANY are (bathroom) deficient and have no clue.. PUMKINSEEDS is a good defense.. but for a while more might be needed ~ when muscle cramps are on issue.  I think that most likely my colon muscles were so depleted that THEY did not function to move things..  I am coming to believe that internal stagnation and headaches is a sign that one needs Magnesium.

All the best.. to both of us.

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Yep, it's definitely fruit; I can have a little vg, or even sugar in minute amounts, but the moment I have more than one mouthful of any beneficial fruit, I get gassy again. Never mind, life is still worth living (you bet) without fruit.

Goldie mentioned something about this;  I'm also curious if you have tried eating fruit alone, such as first thing in the morning.  I don't eat even a bite of fruit throughout the day, once I've started eating other foods, or I get gassy, so all my diamond fruit intake is first food of the day.

Though a different blood type, I will weigh in.

Keep in mind I am not yet doing probiotics though that will probably be the next thing I try.

Beans of many kinds, and many greens (especially raw) give me gas. Kale, most salad greens, cucumbers on the rare occasion when I eat them,are the usual culprits. Bok Choy (a bennie) does not, but Kale and leaf lettuce do and they are also beneficials. Even parsnips (which have moved to neutral for me on Swami) do so somewhat. If I were eating them  all cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower would do it.

It seems to me I just don't have the enzymes to digest most of this stuff. Animal protein does not give me any problems, and usually eggs don't either.

Mushrooms (though there are not many I am allowed) don't seem to bother me at all.

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Goldie mentioned something about this;  I'm also curious if you have tried eating fruit alone, such as first thing in the morning.  I don't eat even a bite of fruit throughout the day, once I've started eating other foods, or I get gassy, so all my diamond fruit intake is first food of the day.

It's taken me ages to do this, but I am now having only fruit for breakfast, and I think it is the answer....no more fruit for dessert or even between meals as it probably banks up behind the last meal and starts to 'mature'. Can't think of the word, but I'm sure you know what I mean?

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It's taken me ages to do this, but I am now having only fruit for breakfast, and I think it is the answer....no more fruit for dessert or even between meals as it probably banks up behind the last meal and starts to 'mature'. Can't think of the word, but I'm sure you know what I mean?

Ferment?
Glad you have got to the bottom of this (pardon the pun)