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I've been urged to start counting my calories and make sure I'm getting enough.  2000 was the recommended I think it's probably needed in my situation.  I tracked them yesterday and I'm nowhere near that.  

I really need some high calorie, nutritious, healthy food ideas.  I eat a good amount of veggies and fruits to keep things moving in the ole plumbing, but probably not enough other things to support me.  And my stomach can only take so much.  So.....  

If you all have any good ideas for me, that's great.  With the caveat that I'm not going to eat junk food.  I don't do wheat or sugar.  And dairy is out for now.  

I'm open to recipes for breads and such though, as I can use rice flour, oat flour or spelt.  Or things like that.  I'm craving walnut bread for some reason.  Just something I have stuck in my head I guess.

Thank you for your help!



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Nut butters are high calorie, nutricious foods and yummy to beat!  Olive oil, walnut oil, etc.  Can you have ghee?


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It's a good idea not to eat anything "plain"; always add stuff - oil or ghee to veggies, nut butters to breads/crackers, etc.

Is this just about calories or is the goal weight gain?  If it's weight gain, then a good balance of fats, carbs, and protein is important.  Upping carbs generally causes the fastest weight gain.


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can you look at your neutral foods? I think they would add up quickley...  


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Yeah, weight gain.  

And yeah, I'm not adverse to eating neutrals at all.  I've been eating beef and it's only neutral.


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I am not familiar with AB but if you can have almonds, eggs, honey, can you make some type of muffin with ground almond flour? It is pretty hi-cal.
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granola?


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Almond butter, cheddar cheese (lucky you), kefir, yogurt, blueberries.  How about eat it all at one sitting.  
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granola?


Oats that aren't cooked don't really digest well for me.  

Sahara, no dairy.  I said that above.  

This is it?????  I'm in trouble.  Yeah, I have some nuts and almond butter.  I am kind of like afraid to eat just tons at one sitting.  I think it's just because I'm not used to it.  I need to increase in amounts that won't send my into some kind of weirdness.  I have to keep telling myself "I'm not sensitive, I'm not sensitive".  But the thought of downing a whole tablespoon of any kind of nut butter just doesnt' sit right with me.  I have eaten a lot of whole nuts at once though.  I'm not sure what the big difference is in my mind.


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So sorry JJR, my bad.  As for the almond butter, just do it!  Open the jar and scoop it out in to a bowl.  It is high calorie but low in carbs so so long as you keep carbs under control you should be OK.  Why no dairy?  A glass of kefir sweetened with stevia would be just perfect.

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Oats that aren't cooked don't really digest well for me.  

Sahara, no dairy.  I said that above.  

This is it?????  I'm in trouble.  Yeah, I have some nuts and almond butter.  I am kind of like afraid to eat just tons at one sitting.  I think it's just because I'm not used to it.  I need to increase in amounts that won't send my into some kind of weirdness.  I have to keep telling myself "I'm not sensitive, I'm not sensitive".  But the thought of downing a whole tablespoon of any kind of nut butter just doesnt' sit right with me.  I have eaten a lot of whole nuts at once though.  I'm not sure what the big difference is in my mind.

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I like almond butter on banana.  Reminds me of my favorite peanut butter and banana sandwiches when I was a kid.  Obviously, I skip the bread and put the almond butter directly onto the banana.  Not sure if you can have banana, but as I recall it is ok for most BT's?  This is my favorite high-calorie snack.


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Dairy stops me up.  And the soft dairy makes me feel awful.  Maybe someday, but not quite ready for that.  Especially kefir.

Can't have banana's but have eaten a half of a plantain here and there.  Almost too much sugar in them for me.  I need to actually make them when they're not black ripe.  I used to just let them get super ripe and eat them like a banana.  But I should try and do them less ripe and deep fry them or roast them or something.  I bet it would be good with some nut butter.  OR meat for that matter.


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How about lamb and fatty fish?  

I'm a major fan of almond butter.  It's a fantastic comfort food and source of calories.  However, I wouldn't eat it to excess because it is high in Omega 6, which can be inflammatory if it overbalances the Omega 3 in your diet.  Eat it, enjoy it, just have a glance at your SWAMI recommendation for nuts.  I exceed mine a little, but it's a balancing act.



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Yeah, my swami doesn't want me going overboard on the veggie proteins.  It's hard not to without eating dairy though.  


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make bone broth soups adding your beneficial veggies


foccacia type bread using those grains on your beneficial list as well

ghee.....


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Mmmmmm...   Focacia bread sounds really good.  I need to try that!


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Halva is a great high calorie snack- (crushed sesame seeds with grape juice) if you can get it where you are-or order off net.It's around 500 cals for a little bars worth. Also dark chocolate is quite fatty, nuts and seeds- as many others have mentioned. I do a lot of baking using nut/seed flours and walnut oil-I have a blender with a flour mill attachment to make my own flours-so that is an idea if you don't really enjoy eating nuts plain. I just looked up on typebase that you can't have duck eggs or meat on the AB diet-I was going to suggest those coz they're both fattier than chicken/chicken eggs. When you eat chicken though-get with skin on coz thats the fattiest part, and with red meats you could eat the fatty parts and run off fats/grease in a gravy/sauce for extra calories.
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Well, actually, you can have some red meat on the AB diet.  Like Lamb and rabbit I believe.  But I'm not on the AB diet.  I'm a Nomad on my swami and I'm supposed to eat red meats 4x a week.  So, I've been doing that the last couple of months and I think it's good.  

Sweet potatoes seem to have quite a bit of goodness and calories.  I just had some with lunch.

Regular potatoes do too.  I had one last night.  Yukon Gold.  I do eat some potato chips from Panera on friday nights and I can't believe how much calories they have.  My wife bought some healthy ones with just olive oil and I need to try those.


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I am really struggling with this calorie thing.  I'm nowhere near 2k.


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Maybe you should post everything you eat tomorrow (food and quantity).  It might give people ideas.


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You need to do what fat people do. Get a big bowl of whatever you choose, turn on the t.v., and zone out while eating handfuls of stuff while you watch your show. Also, it helps being a nonnie in order to be fat. I have nothing to report for myself as far as being able to lose weight on this diet....so imitate ME.


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I am really struggling with this calorie thing.  I'm nowhere near 2k.

Eat more meals...  I've been eating eggs and steamed carrots for breakfast, a big bowl of oatmeal, cinnamon and apple sauce @ about 10AM, steamed vegetables and fish(I also add some mozzarella cheese on the veggies!) for lunch, nuts and or fruit for afternoon snack, turkey, vegetables and rice for dinner - and sometimes snack later just for good measure...  Detox and healing takes a LOT of energy (for us AB Nomads), so don't skimp!


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Thank you Joe.  It's about what I do but I need to increase my portions.  I think in the back of my head I've always been worried about eating too much meat because my cholesterol was high.  But I need to get over that.  Oils too.  I remember you saying the sugars and such are more about that many times.  Which I think is correct.  Because it had gone down over 100 points since I've been on this diet.  But I wasn't eating a lot of red meat at the time.  So....  It's still in the back of my head.  But I sure don't eat any refined sugars.

Seraffa, too funny!  Everyone's struggles are different I guess.  What makes us all unique.  I don't know how to zone out and eat right now.  I was thinking that same thing the other day how in the old days I could watch a movie, and eat a ton of buttered popcorn and not think twice about it.  Popcorn doesn't sit well with me any more, and it probably shouldn't as an AB.  But whatever.  

This is what I ate yesterday and it totalled 1400:

Breakfast (3 Items)
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Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt
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1.5 slice(s)
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Prunes, Dried
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Watermelon, Diced
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156
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Lettuce, Romaine, Shredded
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     8
Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled
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Olive Oil, Extra Virgin
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Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt
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Snack (2 Items)
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Kiwi Fruit
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Peanut Butter, Organic
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123
Dinner (14 Items)
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Honey
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Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt
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Lamb, Australian, Shoulder, Whole, Separable Lean and Fat, 1/8'' Fat, Cooked
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Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled
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Olive Oil, Extra Virgin
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0.1 tablespoon(s)
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Prunes, Dried
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Oil, Cod Liver
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Rice Cake, Brown, Plain
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Milk, Rice, Original
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Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt
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Peanut Butter, Organic
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0.3 tablespoon(s)
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     30
Peanut Butter, Organic
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3 tablespoon(s)
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     300
DOLE Raspberries, Frozen
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1 cup(s)
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BIRDS EYE Baby Sweet Peas, Bag
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0.75 cup(s)
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     78


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I need to increase in amounts that won't send my into some kind of weirdness.  I have to keep telling myself "I'm not sensitive, I'm not sensitive".  But the thought of downing a whole tablespoon of any kind of nut butter just doesnt' sit right with me.  


First let me preface this by saying it is shared with the best of heartfelt intentions.  

I used to be very sensitive to all kinds of foods, chemicals, smells, etc. I found it extremely limiting and I too, was quite a bit underweight from it. I was afraid to eat anything I *might* have a reaction to. One day, after living this way for many years, I realized that it was no way to live. I also realized that I had trained my mind into hyper-vigilance of any sensation that fell out of my prescribed view of 'normal'. So part of my healing involved forcing myself to eat foods that I was afraid of and then distracting myself away from searching for weird sensations as a result. I soon discovered that many of my unpleasant reactions were mostly created in my mind and were not actually my body's experience at all. If I looked for weirdness or anticipated it, it was there. So I am sharing this here in response to the quote I copied into the post. From that quote, I infer there is some awareness that your beliefs around food may be impacting your experience. Again... shared with the best of intentions and from my own experience with a similar issue....  



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Quoted from Kristin


First let me preface this by saying it is shared with the best of heartfelt intentions.  

I used to be very sensitive to all kinds of foods, chemicals, smells, etc. I found it extremely limiting and I too, was quite a bit underweight from it. I was afraid to eat anything I *might* have a reaction to. One day, after living this way for many years, I realized that it was no way to live. I also realized that I had trained my mind into hyper-vigilance of any sensation that fell out of my prescribed view of 'normal'. So part of my healing involved forcing myself to eat foods that I was afraid of and then distracting myself away from searching for weird sensations as a result. I soon discovered that many of my unpleasant reactions were mostly created in my mind and were not actually my body's experience at all. If I looked for weirdness or anticipated it, it was there. So I am sharing this here in response to the quote I copied into the post. From that quote, I infer there is some awareness that your beliefs around food may be impacting your experience. Again... shared with the best of intentions and from my own experience with a similar issue....  


The same happened to me


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I'm sensing a trend...


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You guys!!!!  HOW DARE YOU!!!


No no I'm just kidding.  I am starting to learn this I think.  And your words are very encouraging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thank you.  When my pastor gave me this challenge about eating 2k calories a day, it got me thinking.  My mind thought:  "You know, I may have problems or pain eating food, and I may not, but I WILL have problems not eating enough.  So, isn't the first one the better choice?  I mean, even if some foods do mess with me, I'd rather eat than starve to death.  So....  I think it helped my mind shift a little.  Or a lot.  And I think the thought process is helping.  And then there is the whole if you eat too much fat you'll have a heart attack thinking that I think is deep in my mind somewhere.  But I'm like doing the opposite.  Which isn't good for your heart either.  Starving it.  Then there is the whole thing, will eating too much stop me up.  Well, it's probably better to go every 2 days and figure out some enzymes to help or probioitics.  Instead of just not eating to keep it all cleared up.  So yeah, much of this is in my mind.

But I will say this, it is still not easy to find real high calorie foods that aren't completely lousy for you.  Junk food.  Which is why I need help figuring it out.  But, I just had an apple and a little less than a quarter cup of macadamia nuts.  Those suckers are so good and pack a punch, calorie wise.  I also might need to buy some of Dr.D's bars again.  And I need a good source of dates.  The dates I've been buying smell fermented right when I open them, probably from sitting so long.  They haven't always been like that.  Figs are good too.


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I've always eaten because I get headaches from not eating.  I just make sure that I have enough good things around so I don't have to choose avoids.

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Thank you Joe.  It's about what I do but I need to increase my portions.
From looking at your post of food portions, I concur...  I sometimes feel like I am starving myself, and I eat much larger portions than you have posted...  I often have two cups of vegetables at a meal, as SWAMI says 6 per day.
I know I way more eggs per week than recommended, but I eat at the top of all of the other proteins as well.



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I have to try eggs again.  They were messing with my guts, I thought.  Lower GI.  Someone said to try just the yolks.  


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We Nomads seem to have the opposite challenge from Gatherers.  

When I'm stressed, I lose my appetite.
When my health gets imbalanced, I can (used to) start suspecting everything I eat, getting paranoid.
It would be easy in many ways for me to just not eat, so that food was not an issue.

etc., etc!

Once I really "got it" that it's just my genotype talking to me, I started preparing robust meals and making sure I sit down and eat a well-balanced assortment of food groups at every meal.  It's much better.  



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You know, that really hits the nail on the head.  Because that's what I do.  If I don't feel good, I'm suspecting food.  It's probably all wrong!!!  You're right.  Geez.  And food makes you feel better when you aren't feeling well.  Well, for the most part I think.


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Seraffa, too funny!  Everyone's struggles are different I guess.  What makes us all unique.  I don't know how to zone out and eat right now.  I was thinking that same thing the other day how in the old days I could watch a movie, and eat a ton of buttered popcorn and not think twice about it.  Popcorn doesn't sit well with me any more, and it probably shouldn't as an AB.  But whatever.  

This is what I ate yesterday and it totalled 1400:

Breakfast (3 Items)
     Calories
Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt
Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt Add Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt to Favorites
1.5 slice(s)
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     42
Prunes, Dried
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3 item(s)
edit | copy | delete
     68
Watermelon, Diced
Melon, Watermelon, Diced Add Melon, Watermelon, Diced to Favorites
1 cup(s)
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     46
Add Food copy meal      
156
Lunch (4 Items)
     Calories
Lettuce, Romaine, Shredded
Romaine Lettuce, Shredded Add Romaine Lettuce, Shredded to Favorites
1 cup(s)
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     8
Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled
Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled Add Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled to Favorites
0.3 item(s)
edit | copy | delete
     31
Olive Oil, Extra Virgin
Olive Oil, Extra Virgin Add Olive Oil, Extra Virgin to Favorites
0.2 tablespoon(s)
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     24
Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt
Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt Add Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt to Favorites
0.2 item(s)
edit | copy | delete
     126
Add Food copy meal      
189
Snack (2 Items)
     Calories
Kiwi Fruit
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2 item(s)
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     93
Peanut Butter, Organic
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0.3 tablespoon(s)
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     30
Add Food copy meal      
123
Dinner (14 Items)
     Calories
Honey
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0.1 tablespoon(s)
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     6
Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt
Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt Add Deli Meat, Turkey Breast, Low Salt to Favorites
1.5 slice(s)
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     42
Lamb, Australian, Shoulder, Whole, Separable Lean and Fat, 1/8'' Fat, Cooked
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1 ounce(s)
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     84
Potatoes, Sweet, Baked, Peeled
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0.7 item(s)
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     72
Olive Oil, Extra Virgin
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0.1 tablespoon(s)
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     12
Prunes, Dried
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3 item(s)
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     68
Oil, Cod Liver
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0.3 tablespoon(s)
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     37
Rice Cake, Brown, Plain
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1.5 item(s)
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     52
Milk, Rice, Original
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1 fluid ounce(s)
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     15
Salmon, Pink, with Bone and Liquid, Canned, No Salt
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0.1 item(s)
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     63
Peanut Butter, Organic
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0.3 tablespoon(s)
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     30
Peanut Butter, Organic
Peanut Butter, Organic Add Peanut Butter, Organic to Favorites
3 tablespoon(s)
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     300
DOLE Raspberries, Frozen
DOLE Raspberries, Frozen Add DOLE Raspberries, Frozen to Favorites
1 cup(s)
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     70
BIRDS EYE Baby Sweet Peas, Bag
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0.75 cup(s)
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     78


JJ.....I think it's all the Edit-Copy-Deletes that you are eating....look at them.....they fill you up without any calories....lol

No but seriously....yes you would have trouble with nuts anyway being part B. I appreciate the patience it must take to sort things out as an AB. I am still sorting as well due to being an Explorer with a slow liver, and many family members having a history of mental illness. And I do not Swami.

I think a big smoothie twice a day could sneak in what you wanted to add.

Do you think your thyroid is in balance? Do you think your metabolism could be too high?

Do you exercise a lot or too much?


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No no I'm just kidding.  I am starting to learn this I think.  And your words are very encouraging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thank you.  When my pastor gave me this challenge about eating 2k calories a day, it got me thinking.  My mind thought:  "You know, I may have problems or pain eating food, and I may not, but I WILL have problems not eating enough.  So, isn't the first one the better choice?  I mean, even if some foods do mess with me, I'd rather eat than starve to death.  So....  I think it helped my mind shift a little.  Or a lot.  And I think the thought process is helping.  And then there is the whole if you eat too much fat you'll have a heart attack thinking that I think is deep in my mind somewhere.  But I'm like doing the opposite.  Which isn't good for your heart either.  Starving it.  Then there is the whole thing, will eating too much stop me up.  Well, it's probably better to go every 2 days and figure out some enzymes to help or probioitics.  Instead of just not eating to keep it all cleared up.  So yeah, much of this is in my mind.


Awesome attitude!  Changing your thinking can be a powerful tool - difficult, but powerful.  If a thought pattern doesn't produce benefits, ditch it.  The one that is chosen to replace it may not always be right either, but that's life; it's a process.  If what you think you need to do is something that you're afraid of, you just have to ask yourself what the worst outcome could be.  And that's exactly what you've already done.


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Thank you briny.  You're right.  And for me at this point, I could go down more, but I'm so low the only way I want to look is up.  Meaning, my weight is really low enough that I just have to start thinking about ways to go up.  Passionately.  Or aggressively.  

Seraffa, I don't really have a problem with nuts.  I love them.  It's easier for me to down a cup of walnuts or almonds or something.  But for some reason a nut butter is just to rich to me in large amounts.   And yeah, those edit deletes are really just fillers.  I'll have to bypass them.     Is there a connection to mental illness and sluggish livers?  I'm a Nomad with many explorer traits and I wonder if that isn't why I've been kind of crazy in the head lately.  Well, actually for a long time.  Heh!  


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Ugh.  I'm averaging around 1500 calories.  I need a few items to shoot me up some.


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Don't fear the fat!   As long as they're "healthy fats", they're good for you, good for your heart, and contain over twice as many calories per gram as carbs or protein (although you'd still also need the protein and especially carbs for weight gain).

does the calorie counter your using also calculate macronutrients?


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I don't think so.  What are macronutrients?   Yeah, I've been trying to up my fats.  Today I'm actually going to try some butter in my oatmeal I think.  It's a neutral, but whatever.  I have been trying to up my olive oil intake, as it was like nil.  I didn't even like cooking much with it.  But I think I need to rethink all that for sure.  


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If you have any of the health book series, you might have noticed that what are normally considered neutral foods (maybe even some avoids) become beneficial under certain heath conditions. I think it might be helpful to view all fats as beneficial for you now.

Years ago, when my cholesterol was very low, my naturopath said to me, "Well... you  know how to remedy this, don't you? Eat eggs and bacon." I said, "WHAT!!! Eat bacon??? Are ya kidding me???" I hadn't eaten any kind of fatty meat like that for years and was sure I would get violently ill from it. Well, guess what - not only did I not have any reaction to eating bacon and sausage... I actually started to feel better. It wasn't that the bacon and sausage were necessarily good for me... but they did help to raise my cholesterol, and that was very good for my health.

Now I'm not saying to eat bacon and sausage... but perhaps begin to start thinking of fats as medicine - it's what you need now, in the short term, and after you gain some weight, have more energy and feel better, you can re-evaluate what fats are best to keep in your diet.


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I don't think so.  What are macronutrients?   Yeah, I've been trying to up my fats.  Today I'm actually going to try some butter in my oatmeal I think.  It's a neutral, but whatever.  I have been trying to up my olive oil intake, as it was like nil.  I didn't even like cooking much with it.  But I think I need to rethink all that for sure.  


Awesome   What about ghee instead of butter?  Is it rated higher?

Macronutrients are just fats, carbs, and protein.  I just thought it might be useful for you to see how much of each you're getting each day.


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Well, ghee is rated higher and I had made a bunch of it up.  But I'm having a mental problem with it.  It was a little softer than the other times, and I'm not real crazy about the fact that it's been sitting out on my countertop.  It's been how we've always done it, but I'm going through this phase of questioning all kinds of germy type things and I'm not sure how I feel about leaving it out like that.   Next time I make some I'll put it in the fridge.


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I got 1844 calories yesterday!!!! All good, healthy foods.  

I still need to try some more high calorie stuff.  I need to drink more juice instead of all water I think.  Or rice milk.  But some say that you can't count them as water.  But I would think the liquid in them counts for something.  What do you guys think about that?  Maybe I'll start another thread about that.


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Awesome!

Drinking stuff is an easy way to get calories because it doesn't feel like eating.  Add some smoothies maybe?


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Saturday I went over 2000 slightly and last night was 1934.  It's getting better.  I'm not sure where I should stop.  Maybe 2500?  I need to gain.


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I'm still not knowing how to break 2000 regularly.  I've dipped down to 1800 something last night and I'll probably be somewhere around there today.  If I eat a little bit of chocolate it helps.  But I don't plan on doing that every day.  Eh?  

Yesterday I tried to eat a little bit of this Date bar that is made locally.  It's super delicious, but it's like eating pure sugar and I only ate a quarter of it.  And it's not that big.  

Maybe drinking some rice milk or juices.  I've yet to try that.  But upping the portion of my grains is helping.  I was eating a measly amount at one time.  Well, tonight I ate a 1/2 cup or maybe just a hair less of dry rice, cooked of course.  But that's got quite a calorie punch.  I used to do this a couple of years ago.  And then I started eating these measly little portions.  I'm not sure why.  And now I'm getting it up to where it should be again.  I'm not going over my swami either.


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Quoted from brinyskysail
It's a good idea not to eat anything "plain"; always add stuff - oil or ghee to veggies, nut butters to breads/crackers, etc.

I havn't yet read this thread to the end, so I have no idea if this makes any sense here, but I'd like to share what "happened" to me yesterday morning.

Usually I have for breakfast 2 scrambled eggs in olive oil + a lot of supps, and I am very pleased. If still hungry, I add rice cakes, nut butter etc., sometimes veggies and an apple.

Yesterday, after finishing the scrambled egg procedure, I suddenly made up my mind and prepared, for the first time, a pancake of 1egg and quinoa flour, no additions, in almond oil - the excess of oil I remove from the almond butter jar and keep aside. Suddenly, I realized how hungry I'd been! This complementary dish fixed me for the rest of the morning.



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Is the deli meat turkey 100% turkey?
Most deli meats have wheat, modified starches and those nasty nitrates & mineral salts... not judging or anything, once in a while would not hurt - but if you are eating deli meats everyday maybe swap it for something else high calorie - chocolate even?  

(I am a gatherer trying to pad out a little myself, I just had 2 slices of rice bread with butter, macadamia butter and melted chocolate on top - decadent but it hit the spot lol.)

As suggested, I also hide stuff in smoothies - oils, powders etc...
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I just had 2 slices of rice bread with butter, macadamia butter and melted chocolate on top - decadent
Mmmmm.... Yummi! Decadent? Never!   Just fully compliant and a tremendous source of pleasure. Bless Him who made me a Gatherer.  



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I'm still not knowing how to break 2000 regularly
If you take natural dates instead, up to 2-3 daily, some kinds are not so sweet, but they'll do the work.

Some organic fruit juices are diamonds and harmless in the right quantity and will help a lot.



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1.5 rice cakes is very very little.... I buy them in packs of 12 and they disappear quickly enough.... That's how I gained 2 kg recently.



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First let me preface this by saying it is shared with the best of heartfelt intentions.  

I used to be very sensitive to all kinds of foods, chemicals, smells, etc. I found it extremely limiting and I too, was quite a bit underweight from it. I was afraid to eat anything I *might* have a reaction to. One day, after living this way for many years, I realized that it was no way to live. I also realized that I had trained my mind into hyper-vigilance of any sensation that fell out of my prescribed view of 'normal'. So part of my healing involved forcing myself to eat foods that I was afraid of and then distracting myself away from searching for weird sensations as a result. I soon discovered that many of my unpleasant reactions were mostly created in my mind and were not actually my body's experience at all. If I looked for weirdness or anticipated it, it was there. So I am sharing this here in response to the quote I copied into the post. From that quote, I infer there is some awareness that your beliefs around food may be impacting your experience. Again... shared with the best of intentions and from my own experience with a similar issue....  



WOW, I feel the exact same way! Maybe its a nomad or a B thing Our minds must be pretty powerfull
As I cracked down on my diet .. I actually started becoming more sensitive. Now I'm trying to become less stressed about eating avoids and not thinking its going to kill me, although i try my best to eat as best as possible.






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Is the deli meat turkey 100% turkey?
Most deli meats have wheat, modified starches and those nasty nitrates & mineral salts... not judging or anything, once in a while would not hurt - but if you are eating deli meats everyday maybe swap it for something else high calorie - chocolate even?  

(I am a gatherer trying to pad out a little myself, I just had 2 slices of rice bread with butter, macadamia butter and melted chocolate on top - decadent but it hit the spot lol.)

As suggested, I also hide stuff in smoothies - oils, powders etc...


I buy this brand called organic prairie.  It's expensive, and it's the best there is.  No wheat.  Let me see if I can get the ingredients up for you.

http://www.organicprairie.com/product/organic_turkey_breast_slices/overstock
For some reason they have the picture of the chicken in there, but it's just turkey breast, water and sea salt.



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WOW, I feel the exact same way! Maybe its a nomad or a B thing Our minds must be pretty powerfull
As I cracked down on my diet .. I actually started becoming more sensitive. Now I'm trying to become less stressed about eating avoids and not thinking its going to kill me, although i try my best to eat as best as possible.







I think this attitude has been helping me also.  Although I'm not really eating anything crazy.  I'm trying to be flexible, but I have a long way to go.  I had a piece of pumpkin pie from the store that I wanted to eat from Thanksgiving, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.  I'm having a hard enough time being flexible with just the good foods.  Because half the time I'm skeptical of all foods.  Which I'm trying to change.  For example.  We bought some rice milk, and I'd been adding it over my rice cakes in a bowl from time to time.  I was buying the small little organic ones and just pouring out of them, because I didn't want to waste the.  It says it needs to be drunk up in 11 days.  Well, we bought the bigger size and I swear it tastes different than the smaller sized ones, even though it's the same ingredients and formula.  I didn't know if it was me, but I just had my daughter taste it and she said the same thing.  It has a weird aftertaste.  Not like the other ones.  So, I'm like thinking, it's bad.  It doesn't taste like it normally does.  That just makes me a little uneasy.  And that's frustrating.  This happens with nuts sometimes too.  They just taste, off.  And it's like, am I being anal for being concerned?  Sometimes I think yes, and sometimes I think no.  Either way, I'm not drinking that milk.  Maybe it's anal.  But I was hoping to add rice milk in because it's a diamond superfood, and it has lots of calories.  Even if just a little at a time.


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Some kind of protein shake might help. This doesn't actually sound very good sorry

yogurt
brown rice protein powder
almonds
almond milk
blueberries

You can also have dates though those are very high in carbs.  

About the nut butter-- it should be OK so long as you wait 3-4 hours between meals.  This allows insulin to drop back down.  So eating a few tablespoons of almond butter isn't going to hurt you but eating all day and grazing will.
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It sounds good!!  I don't do yoghurt right now though.  

I don't understand the problem with eating some nut butter here and there.  My doctors tole me to eat a little bit of protein with every meal, to even out blood sugar.  And it seems to help.  I don't get crashes any longer.  I used to get them if I ate grains without protein or fruits.  So now sometimes I eat a little nuts with my fruit.  Or some meat.  Or a small amount of nut butter.  That's probably why I don't go nuts with the portion with them, as I do use it throughout the day.  But it's not always nut butters.  Or nuts for that matter.  Meats are my main staple for breakfast, lunch and dinner though.  With veggies.  Except fruit with breakfast.


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.. it's just turkey breast, water and sea salt.



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Yeah, except for I really need the dark meat more, I think.    


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About the nut butter-- it should be OK so long as you wait 3-4 hours between meals.  This allows insulin to drop back down.  So eating a few tablespoons of almond butter isn't going to hurt you but eating all day and grazing will.


How will "eating all day and grazing" hurt him if he needs to gain weight?


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right now I'm eating 6 meals.  But even some of them are interrupted by some time.  So, yeah, I'm grazing.  I've never been a eat a 1000 calories at one meal kind of person.  Even before I had problems.  There were times I packed it away.  But for the most part, I ate slowly all day long.  And if I did eat a big meal at once, I'd be tired from it.  I remember going to restaurants as a kid and my Dad could never get over how I couldn't finish this giant hot dog with a huge bun and a bunch of fries.  Talk about carb and protein overload. I should've been eating more veggies and fruits back then.


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I've been stuck around 2000 calories.  I need to figure out how to get regularly between 2200 and 2500, I think.  But I'm not sure how right now.  


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Could you add more oil to your meals? Drink oil as a beverage? Add in another meal or snack during a time of day you're not currently eating? Drink some kind of high-calorie beverage in place of plain water?


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Yeah, the high calorie beverage is a thought I've been having but not figured out what.  I don't want more sugar.  

I'm basically eating all day long right now. And I'm upping my quantities at each meal so I'm not hungry 30 minutes after.  But it's kind of a figuring out game as to how much to eat at one sitting.  My stomach needs to stretch some probably, but I don't want to overdo it.  My grain meal, it sticks to my bones for a couple hours.  That's in the evening.


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I was on a 3000 calorie diet for awhile.  With lots of oils, non-lean meats, nuts, and nut butters (and sometimes cheese), I was able to reach 3000.  What really helped me (but might not work for everyone) was making sure I had at least 3 to 4 hours between meals with absolutely nothing but water in between.  If you have a mental block toward eating a lot of oil or nut butter at one sitting, try to get over that, but if it's actually physical and your body really doesn't want all that fat at once then listen to your body.


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...and I also drank shakes.  For me it was kefir, macadamia or walnut oil, and hemp protein.  Sometimes I'd add other stuff like peanut butter, alfalfa, and/or cocoa


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What made you choose 3k?


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What made you choose 3k?


I was trying to gain weight and, according to calculations, I should have needed about 2400 calories, but I wasn't making any progress so I upped it to 3000.  After years of weight loss (bottoming out at 75lbs ) I finally gained weight!  But I also started going to a wellness chiropractor and that definitely improved my digestion so I'm sure it was a combo of the diet and the chiropractic adjustments.


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75 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You must not be tall. And you were eating 3k a day!!!!  OH MY!!!!!!!  I hit 116 last night for the first time in a while.  Praise the LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm assuming you must have been very active, no?  I'm not so active right now.  I am home a lot, do part time CAD work on my laptop.  I've been doing the dishes and cooking and that feels like a full time job right now.  With me and my family.  Even just for me I'm eating so many times in the day.  But I've been more active these past few weeks than I have all year.  I think it's a mental thing but also I think the extra calories are helping.

But you're still blowing my mind.  75 pounds!!!!!!!!  Can I ask how tall you are?  Can I ask if you were having some kind of mental struggle with food?


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Well, I once weighed as little as 7 pounds and 7 ounces, but I was a lot shorter back then.


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75 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You must not be tall. And you were eating 3k a day!!!!  OH MY!!!!!!!  I hit 116 last night for the first time in a while.  Praise the LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm assuming you must have been very active, no?  I'm not so active right now.  I am home a lot, do part time CAD work on my laptop.  I've been doing the dishes and cooking and that feels like a full time job right now.  With me and my family.  Even just for me I'm eating so many times in the day.  But I've been more active these past few weeks than I have all year.  I think it's a mental thing but also I think the extra calories are helping.

But you're still blowing my mind.  75 pounds!!!!!!!!  Can I ask how tall you are?  Can I ask if you were having some kind of mental struggle with food?


I'm 5'4".  It blows my mind too.  I figured out yesterday that (at my current weight) if I were to remove both of my legs and one of my arms, what would be left would weigh about 75lbs.  When I weighed 75lbs I wasn't very active; I would take a walk everyday, but at a weight that low I didn't have the energy to do anything more than that.  It was all digestive problems.  I was originally eating 2000-2500 calories but kept losing weight.  Then I discovered I don't produce enough stomach acid and started taking HCl and eventually made it up to 90lbs but plateaued there for at least a year.  That's when I started the 3k diet; I saw a little weight gain, but it wasn't until I started going to the wellness chiropractor that I really gained weight (15lbs in a little less than 3 months).  I could fill a book with all the improvements I've seen since I started going there.  It has been an absolute miracle, and it's not just me - miracles walk out of his office every day.  If you have the opportunity to experience wellness chiropractic, definitely go for it.

Congrats on making up to 116!  (I treated every pound gained like a major milestone )  It's also great that you've been more active.  The more active you are, the more you'll rev up your metabolism, and, likely, the more hungry you'll be.  Plus I think it just makes you feel better - happier and more peaceful.


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Yes.  Thank you for sharing!!!  I go to a chiro about once a month.  Well, we try to go every 3 weeks, it seems to work better on our backs.  But I'm not sure there is a difference between a "wellness" chiro and a normal one.  Our chiro is pretty good.  He does some pressure point works on me that is supposed to help digestion get moving and it seems to help.  I presses on my shoulders, my guts, that piece of meat between my thumb and pointer finger.  He does some regiment that he looks at a piece of paper and says it's a real "old" technique.  But the points he massage are always a little sensitive, and it seems to make my gut gurgle every time.  Hehehhehee.  That's along with the spinal minupilation of course.  My wife and son are wound as tight as a drum and they always need an adjustment to keep everything in place.  There muscles are always rock solid.  Like they can't relax.  I think it might just be how their muscles are.  

Anyways, thanks for the encouragement.  I don't know if I need to be at 3k, because I seem to be gaining weight.  I'll be keeping a check on it.  I've been just over 2k the last few days.  Although I think shooting for 2200 or so is a better goal.  Last night I just had 2080.  But it was late and I didn't want anything else and I figured it's good enough.  But like I said, I think 2200 would be a better place to be, but I don't think I've quite hit it yet.


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That's a great sign that you're gaining weight - it means it's possible.  It's better to just need more calories than to have some sort of problem that actually prevents weight gain.

The chiropractor I go to doesn't use manual manipulations.  He uses a machine thing (I don't know what's it called), and he does some other things too.


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