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purlgirl
Thursday, November 1, 2012, 8:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Got this report from my Dr.

"Your DEXA shows  bone thinning or osteopenia. No need for medication now.
Continue calcium 1200 mg daily and Vitamin D 1000 mg daily."

My question:  
I haven't been taking calcium or Vit D - I do take 400 mg Magnesium daily.

What is the best way to take these suppliments - together or separate - am or pm?

I would appreciate some suggestions.
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http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008A
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066

Here's a couple of products to get you started.  I'm out the door or I'd think more on it.  You can always take extra calcium (as Dr. D's Clear Cal) or extra magnesium if you wish.



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Quoted from purlgirl
Got this report from my Dr.

"Your DEXA shows  bone thinning or osteopenia. No need for medication now.
Continue calcium 1200 mg daily and Vitamin D 1000 mg daily."

My question:  
I haven't been taking calcium or Vit D - I do take 400 mg Magnesium daily.

What is the best way to take these suppliments - together or separate - am or pm?

I would appreciate some suggestions.


I take 1000 mg of calcium along with 5000 IUs of Vit D in the am, with a small snack. I also take powdered magnesium in with Harmonia Deluxe to swallow my multitude of other supps I'm currently on...


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Calcium absorption is best when a person consumes no more than 500 mg at one time.

Livestrong (http://www.livestrong.com/article/447639-how-to-correct-your-calcium-to-magnesium-ratio/) recommends taking calcium in the morning and magnesium in the evening.

There is debate on what the ideal ratio is. I would aim for at least half as much magnesium as calcium.  

You may need other vitamins (D3? B6?) to insure that both the calcium and magnesium are properly absorbed.

I take around 1000mg of liquid ionic magnesium: half in the morning, half in the evening.  I also take a naturally-sourced liquid b-complex, 5000mg liquid vitamin d3 and 15mg of liquid K2.  I don't take a calcium supplement but I make sure I eat lots of calcium-rich foods.  I think it's important to take food-based, not synthetic, supplements.

I was diagnosed with osteopenia 4 years ago and in the past 4 years I have only lost .01%.  I am working to reverse that trend.  


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I was diagnosed with osteopenia 4 years ago and in the past 4 years I have only lost .01%.  I am working to reverse that trend.  

Wow! That's fantastic! It appears your regimen is working for you!


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Thank you for the help.

I saved some of the information from your links so I can read more carefully later.

I'll order Phytocal or Clear Cal as soon as I can. I never felt like calcium did anything for me in the past -so  I'm looking forward to trying this more absorbable form that Dr D offers.  

So far this sounds good to me:

  Morning - 500 mg calcium,   maybe the Vit D
  Midday  - 500 mg Calcium ,  maybe 250 magnesium, plus other vitamins
  Evening - 250 mg Magnesium

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Does it matter what time of day you take Vit D?

I noticed The Vit D (Phyto D) has vitamin K in it.  I thought Vit K was not a good idea for BT A because our blood is usually rather thick.  ???
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This website, http://www.naturalnews.com/026670_vitamins_calcium_fat.html, describes when to take which supplements.

Vitamin D is fat soluble so it should be taken with fat/meal. This page, http://www.livestrong.com/arti.....on-an-empty-stomach/, says that
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"vitamin D is stored during the day when produced in abundance and is available at night for your body to use."

They go on to say that,
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"Mineral loss from your bones does occur at night, which is why some health experts recommend taking calcium just prior to bedtime, although others contend that calcium is better utilized by your muscles and bones when you are moving them during physical activity. Furthermore, taking calcium and magnesium prior to bedtime may help induce sleep and prevent muscle cramps."

This page, http://www.livestrong.com/article/440087-how-does-the-body-absorb-calcium/, explains what might inhibit calcium absorption.  This page, http://www.livestrong.com/arti.....fined_R1&LS-2659, explains what might help. There are links on the right side offering additional info.

Fiber may interfere with vitamin and mineral absorption. This page http://www.livestrong.com/article/526613-does-fiber-inhibit-the-absorption-of-nutrients/ both supports that assertion and indicates that not everyone believes it.

This is what I do:

I take my vitamins (B, D3 and K2) and magnesium in the morning, 10 minutes before my smoothie.  They're ionic liquids that I hold in my mouth for a minute before swallowing so that they go directly into my bloodstream.

My smoothie is thickened with sprouted chia flour and almond butter, both of which are high in calcium.  They're also high in fiber so I'm wondering whether they're preventing the nutrients in my other supplements from being absorbed.  I take the rest of my supplements with my smoothie.

Until my SWAMI put the kibosh on it, I drank several glasses of raw sheep's milk every day.  If my next bone scan shows any deterioration, I'm going to revert to that protocol even though it's an avoid.  I don't take a calcium supplement but I eat lots of broccoli, arugula, kale, almonds and chia all of which are diamonds for me.

Before bed, after I brush my teeth, I take Mini-Minerals Bone Support, an ionic liquid calcium-magnesium-zinc-potassium-boron-manganese-cobalt product that I swish around in my mouth before swallowing.  


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BHealthy, I'd like to know more about the ionic vitamins and minerals that you use.  



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BHealthy, I'd like to know more about the ionic vitamins and minerals that you use.  :)

From the Mineralife website:
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It's a question of absorption AND form!

FACT: As stated in the Journal of Chiropractic Economics (March 1998), 250,000 pounds of undigested mineral and vitamin tablets and pills are pulled out of the city sewage filters every 6 weeks in Seattle, WA.

For the body to effectively use a mineral supplement, they must be in the correct form. Water or H2O, consists of two hydrogen atoms attached to one oxygen. We can breathe both hydrogen and oxygen, yet we cannot breathe water. Form is vitally important!

Likewise, Calcium carbonate, a commonly used calcium supplement is not calcium. Calcium carbonate is a chemical compound containing calcium attached to a carbon and three oxygen atoms. It is the non-soluble ROCK known as limestone or chalk.

A mineral supplement should contain already ionized minerals, the form which the body can selectively absorb and utilize. Since it is well accepted and understood that the first things to be absorbed in the human body are water and alcohol, water soluble minerals make sense.

The ionic minerals found in Mineralife products are all less than 0.1 Nanometer in size, and can be expressed in Angstroms. These angstrom-sized ions, being completely water soluble, allow the minerals to be quickly and near 100% absorbed in either the mouth (sublingually) or in the upper stomach where lower stomach acids will not destroy them. They are also electron enhanced so that they can participate in cellular reactions. In other words, the minerals get to work right away within the human body.

Just how big is an “ANGSTROM”? Well, consider that it takes 10 thousand angstrom-sized particles lined up on a horizontal plane to cross the distance equal to one micron. What does this mean in ‘laymen terms’? Simply that every other ‘mineral supplement’ on the market falls far short because it is much larger than a micron in size, or is not taken sublingually.

Mineralife Ionic Minerals are meticulously prepared from a pure (up to 99.99% pure) elemental source in the purest energy enhanced structured water.  Mineralife, through a complex proprietary process, liquefies minerals to a state where if dehydrated will grow crystals yielding a highly bio-available form of mineral that is non-metallic and is in simple, angstrom sized ionic form. The ionic charge is opposite of the charge of the intestinal walls, which allows the minerals to be automatically drawn to the walls of the intestines, where, because of their minute size, they are readily absorbed at a near 100% absorption rate. Mineralife’s process closely resembles the dynamic and intricate functions of nature. This produces a mineral nutrition delivery-system in line with nature's own design.

Because these water-soluble minerals are not necessarily dependent on the digestive tract of the body for complete absorption, they work exceptionally well for people with compromised digestive systems. They are also easier for children and older people to swallow than pills or capsules. The extremely small particle size provides a means for the mineral to leave the body if it is not needed at the time, lowering any risk of toxic buildup occurring.

Here are links to the products I use:

Max B-ND by Premier Research Labs: http://www.radiantlivingcenter.com/B-Vitamin-Max-Stress-2oz-8oz-Liquid.html

D3 Serum by Premier Research Labs: http://www.radiantlivingcenter.com/D3-Serum-Premier-.5fl-oz.html

Vitamin K2 by Thorne Research: http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Vitamin-K2-Liquid/dp/B000FGWDTK

Ionic Magnesium by Mineralife: http://www.mineralifeonline.com/pd-magnesium-8oz.cfm#main  They also sell a cal/mag and a multi-vitamin, which I don't take but which might be useful for others.  Other companies that sell ionic minerals are Trace Minerals, and Mother Earth Minerals.  

Bone Support by Mini-Minerals: http://shoppe.listentoyourgut.com/mini-minerals-bone-support-32-fl-oz/

I also take Premier Research Labs Green Tea because I don't like the taste of  green tea : http://www.radiantlivingcenter.com/Nano-Green-Tea-2-oz-liquid.html

I stock Mineralife's zinc for when DH gets a cold/flu and we use their Ionictrace to restore the minerals to our RO water.  I buy their multi-vitamin for my mother.



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Thanks for all that info - it's fascinating.  I've used ConcenTrace for a long time and look forward to browsing the links that you've provided.  



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I'm 61 had a decease in my BMD test recently. I also bought the Bone Support and Minerals of Life trace minerals, Thorne Research K2 and D3 liquids.

I would really be interested if anyone using these products sees gains in their next BMD test. My next test isn't for 2 years so..that's a long wait to see if these products work and they are expensive..but cheaper than a spine fracture and less painful. I may pay for a BMD in a year myself to see if I'm going in the right direction or continuing to loose bone. 2 yrs seems too long to find out I'm not doing the right things.

I'll be doing some weight bearing exercises as well...but I'm no jock. lol  I have walked miles weekly since 1992 and my hip hasn't decreased as much as my spine.

If anyone has good results with other products I'd love that info too. Or just any suggestions,etc. for Osteopenia improvement.
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