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prunella
Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 3:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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After a recent surgery, where I was prescribed more meds than I care to think about, I have developed digestive issues that had been under control. I have followed a Swami diet for 2 1/2 years, working my way through several gut issues, but have been unable to reach my pre-surgery equilibrium.

Could this be related to binders in generic versions of the medications?  After discontinuing most of the medications and requesting original, nongeneric Coumadin, I have begun to feel better.  I have had similar experiences with other generic medications, usually to the disbelief of my doctors.

Does this sound typical of non-secretors?  




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It sounds typical of almost anyone who is suddenly taking multiple medications.  After "discontinuing most of the medications" you began to feel better.  

Although it IS possible to have an adverse reaction to one or more of the other things in either a generic or a brand name pill, in your case I do not think it has one thing to do with generic vs. brand name.  I think your clue is the fact that you got off of most of the prescriptions!

That is my opinion.  I've been wrong before and will be wrong again.

If you go back to taking only the generic coumadin and feel sick again - then resume the brand name pill and feel better - that would be a more definitive answer to your question wouldn't it?  


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glad you are feeling better now


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I guess its supposed to look like coumadin, work like coumadin, but doesn't have the exact ratio of stuff like original coumadin. Who the heck knows what they put in these things unless you go behind locked doors with a scrub mask and watch? My sister would say the same concerning Armour Thyroid vs. synthroid.


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I can't stand any allopathic treatment......sorry and I'm not willing to follow any advices... here ..... no dope for this nonnie ... all natural...all natural !!!

btw... lately I was aked about my so called HA... home doc of allopatia and I bursted out in laughings... the insurance type nearly didn't believed me that i don't have any... and do all on my own ... he-he-heee.... need to introduce him into BTD/GTD stories ...


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It's hard to pinpoint exactly what happened. You might have felt lousy because you were on multiple meds and are now only on one. You might have felt better simply because more time passed and you did some more healing. It might have been the placebo effect, because you thought the "name brand" drug should be "more pure" than the generic. Or you might have been reacting to an "inert" ingredient in the generic that wasn't in the name brand.

Most likely, it's a combination of all those factors. And bear in mind that the name brands aren't necessarily better than the generics- it's quite possible for a name brand to contain an additive that you react to while a specific generic does not, and is better tolerated.

Whatever the reason, I'm glad you're feeling better now.


Ruth, Single Mother to 21 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  14 yo B+ Jack


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Well, since the name band coumadin costs five times as much as the generic, it should make me feel better, right??

I absolutely agree with Amazone about allopathic medical stuff. Occasionally, I submit to allopathic Rx, like when bones have broken or there is need of a straight forward surgical procedure, like a heart valve repair, to fix a congenital, mechanical condition.

A few more details to the story, that I did not include for he sake of brevity:

I have had difficulty in the past with a generic plaquenil, so I asked the pharmacist to order a different generic and it is fine for me.  The generic I rejected was the subject of an article or two, so I knew that I was not alone in experiencing digestive reactions.

When I first out of hospital and  was freed from the metoprolol  and  amioderone, I felt OK for 2-3 weeks.   I was eating normally.  My warfarin (generic coumadin) dosage increased  and  I suddenly could not eat anything. On the recommendations of a nurse and a pharmacist, I asked for real Coumadin.  I feel better.

The same thing happened with another med that I have taken for years.  It just became available as a generic and I tried it. Much cheaper!  Again, I got the same gassy nausea feeling.  

I realize that any meds can have additives that cause problems for a few people.  
I just wish I did not need designer label meds--or any meds at all for that matter!

Thanks to all who weighed in on this.




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Ah, with in that case, it definitely sounds like you were reacting to an additive in that particular generic. And, yeah, it does sound like a "nonnie thing." And I repeat what I said before about name brands- it's just as possible to react badly to the name brand as it is to the generic, and it's hard to obtain information about the "inert" ingredients in prescription drugs.


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Thanks, ruthie. The nonnie stuff sometimes takes me by surprise.  And then after I mull it over for a bit, I think I see a pattern and I wonder if it is related to non-secretorness.  Of course this would not necessarily explain a constantly messy house, would it?    




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Even though EVERYONE in the medical field will tell you "generics" are the same as the "name branded" it is a LIE!  Generics are only required to have some 80% of the original ingredient, and that 20% difference can change EVERYTHING!  Not only are you getting only 3/4 of the medication, who knows what they are adding to make up the difference!  
Sadly, most insurance companies will not pay for "brand named" when a generic is available, and if your doctor will insist (which most won't), it will cost you a fortune!

Trust me when I tell you it's NOT "just in your head"!!!!
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Prunella, have you ever tried the medicinal mushrooms like Cordyceps, Reishi,Auricularia even Shiitake or Maitake
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Amazone- do you realize this is a thread from 1.5 years ago that got bumped up?  The general information about generics vs name brand drugs is always valid, but the specific medical situation in the OP is already resolved.


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I justamente saw somebody else bumping it up but yesss I saw Prunellas' reply was about a yearr ago placed onto this thread ...


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I'm not a nonnie but I've had problems with some generics.  There is a great difference in the binders in the thyroid meds I take and I know which ones are OK and which ones aren't just by trial and error.
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I personally do not think it is wise for anyone on this forum to recommend not taking a drug that is prescribed by a doctor, particularly after surgery.  Heart valve surgery is SERIOUS business and the potential for clots is also serious.  I know this because I currently have three leaky heart valves and may face surgery in the future to repair one or all of them.

The original poster could also have a genetic variant that makes them more susceptible to blood clots, such as I do, so recommending mushrooms or any other natural supplement or remedy does not take into account one's individuality.  I only say this because I believe we all need to exercise caution in our advice on this forum.

As for me, I am trying to "manage" my cardiologist's recommendation of taking baby aspirin with turmeric instead.  He is onboard.  I can say without hesitation, however, that if I have surgery to repair the heart valves because it is deemed necessary for my quality of life I WILL take the drugs prescribed and not rely upon the turmeric.  Stroke is a very real possibility with heart valve issues.  

Let's try and be open minded here and not take a one-sized fits all approach to either allopathic or naturopathic medicine.  They both have their place when necessary.

To the point of generic drugs and nonnies, it may be just a symptom of something added to the generic drug and not have anything to do with being a nonnie.  For instance, I react to certain things in supplements as well - pectin really messes with my intestines for days on end, so that is more of a sensitivity to pectin than a nonnie thing, IMHO.

And Ruthie, I do see that this is an older post but I do not feel comfortable letting the idea of rejecting meds prescribed after heart surgery stand.  I have SERIOUS heart disease in my family and believe that some of those meds and surgical procedures are the reasons my family members are still alive.


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Was anybody actually suggesting that people NOT take medication prescribed by doctors? I thought this was more about generics vs name brand, and possibly needing to ask the doctor to specify the name brand so the pharmacist doesn't make a substitution.


Ruth, Single Mother to 21 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  14 yo B+ Jack


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Post #4 sounds a lot like someone who recommends not following allopathic advice.

I think we need to be careful about this on this site.  This is not the first incidence of this I have observed.


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