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Goldie
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OK here is a lot to consider.. first of keep up doing those projects that PREVENT you from feeling miserable.. then when You are in a good place for a moment.. send on email to every last relative and explain what you are experiencing 'since you have the babies'  make them the excuse to shock everyone out of their stupor.. You have every right to talk about it to anyone who would write you back.. those that don't will talk about it behind your back.. but you don't need them..

YOU ARE A BRAVE woman and you are coming into your own..

I am planning to do somewhat similar.. I am leaving my house.. as I feel its not a good home for me right now.. I will travel to whomever will invite me and do a weeks worth of ONDAMED on them.. I have seen so much good from it that I will use it to give me a year (a few month) of travel wherever it takes me.. I am brave to do that to and it will help me to clear out my cobwebs..

What is important is what is going on in your head.. If you can read and retain.. then please go and look for the books now available -with NEU thinking- from Dr Daniel G Amen, MD.. he is from a new group of specialists that do a brain scan that is totally differing in after care.. Please read it and then decide where to spend money on tests.. its a smallish book and you get the picture fast as it is full of pics on brains.. and not all related to strokes..

I guess strokes could be on issue but nutrition will make that better.. and in the case of Neuropathy  ONDAMED definitely .. helps as well .. so I do have some knowledge of what I speak of..contact me if you wish..

BUT I think you are on the right track of finding out what is going on in your family.. the clues are all there and you know the results as soon as the questions are answered.. and imagine if your children would not have to suffer because you are curing hereditary issues with nutrients..

Good luck and thank you for sharing so openly.. like I said.. trust you to your life.. and all the gossip after will die down if you are not afraid..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Book on adaptogens:

http://www.adaptogensinamerica.com/

Some Adaptogens are common herbs that you might grow in the garden or buy in a health food store.

Some of the herbs listed in the book:

American Ginseng, Amla, Ashwagandha, Asian Ginseng, Astragalus, Cordyceps, Dang Shen, Eleuthero, Guduchi, He Shou Wu, Holy Basil ,Jiaogulan, Lavendar, Licorice, Lycium, Prince Seng, Reishi, Rhaponticum, Rhodiola, Schisandra, Shatavari, Shilajit


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Half of those I've never heard of, and some you can't take while you're nursing a baby.  Although I might anyway.  Or maybe I just need to wait this out a few more months until the baby's eating some solids and nursing less, and then I can try them.

I will look for the book on Amazon.  And Dr. Amen's books.


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Dr Daniel G Amen, MD.. Change your Brain Change your Life you can google info under his name .. or ask me more about it ..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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That's one of the books i'm reading read the first 50 pages night before last. very good read.


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Thanks for sharing Ribbit...you've explained some things about my own Mother (& Father too for that matter) that I recognise My Mother has always needed something to look forward to, or work on, or some company to keep, to lift her moods...

I hope you get some clear results & answers to your questions...It's great that you will & do have the knowledge to pass on to this next generation re the relevant nutrition etc... It's one of the key things, as you know, in correcting the imbalances that your family does & has suffered from & it is good you have this outlet too

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Interesting confirmation in it that one can change the BRAIN structure itself if need be.. and how one can make it better through foods..

  
and with the perfection of UNDERSTANDING each FOOD here just IMAGINE what we can accomplish.. the combo of that and us here.. POWER HOUSES  squared!!!
    

actually anyone with Depression or other addiction stuff should read that book and see what MENTAL and BRAIN STRUCTURE foods could do... Different foods for different moods, addictions and the like ..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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You've got to realize something about "things you can't take while nursing a baby." A good deal of those disclaimers are there to cover the behinds of the supplement sellers/supplement suggestors. It thoroughly pissed me off, when I was depressed after DS was born, that there have been more studies on Prozac than St. John's Wort in nursing moms! I elected to take the pharmaceuticals for that reason. I wasn't convinced they were safer or better, but at least studies had been done on their safety and it seemed like a smaller risk than an "untested" herb. DS was about a year old when I started back up on Prozac (I'd taken it in the past, but was med-free when he was conceived.) I honestly can't remember if he was fully weaned yet when I stopped the Prozac and started the 5-HTP, but at the very least he was over 3 years old and not getting a whole lot of milk.

When looking at drugs or herbs for a lactating mom, you need to factor in a bunch of things: the risk to baby if you take the drug, the risks to both mom and baby if mom goes untreated, the risks to the baby of premature weaning if mom weans to use the drug, as well as the risk/benefits of alternative treatments. You've got to take care of yourself, or you can't properly take care of the kids. I remember reading a study about depressed moms being less responsive than non-depressed moms, nursed their kids less, and the babies actually grew less. That's another factor in the risk/benefit equation. Trace amounts of Prozac are better for the baby than not getting enough milk, and either one of those potential risks are slighter than the known risks of formula feeding.

Just because an herb is "not 100% without risk for nursing moms" is not an automatic "you can't use this while nursing." It just means that you have to more carefully weigh the risks and benefits.  And remember that the risks to baby go down over time, even if the baby isn't on any or many solid foods yet. Even a 2mo has a more mature liver than a newborn does.

If you need mental health treatment right now, look into what drugs and herbs are likely to help you, then study the potential effects of each one on the nursling. The  better-studied pharmaceuticals may make more sense right now, with the plan to switch to natural herbs when the baby is bigger. Or perhaps you feel confident that a specific herb, or a few specific herbs, are the all-around better choice. They've certainly been used for longer, though they lack the scientific studies.

Good luck.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Well, I got into some of DH's 100% chocolate last night.  I ate two squares and within minutes felt a little better.  I haven't been able to order anything else yet.  I have a cold and can't think.


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Thanks, Ruthie.  You're right.  I appreciate your input.  My midwife is very careful to follow the "rules" about herbs.  If there's any question, she plays it safe.  But I sure would like to know what's historically done.  I've even considered thawing the placenta that's in my freezer.......but they say it's only okay to use up to 6 months after the birth, and we're passing 8 now.

She's at 20 lbs.  I would like to hear some stories of lactating mothers taking herbal supplements without negative affect.  I'd much rather do that.  


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I recently discovered sardines too...I don't like the taste but I eat them anyway.  I keep them in the fridg...I think when they are cold they taste better.  I spread then on homemade flax bread with a slice of onion.
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Well, a websearch for "rhodiola and lactation" turned up a long article about rhodiola and the sentence "Evidence on the safety and appropriateness of Rhodiola rosea supplementation during pregnancy and lactation is currently unavailable. " Gee, thanks. That was helpful.

Maybe try the postpartum depression forum at mothering.com . You may find women there who have used herbs and other non-drug treatments for PPD, along with more references than I can think of offhand.

Ah, I remembered the name of the blog I orignally found through MDC. The author also has a book out on healing PPD through diet.  http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/blog/


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I would NOT take any thing DRD said is not Blood type advised.. ST Johnswort is one of these..

on the other hand may I suggest you look up http://www.ondamed.net and at the top of the page find a practitioner in your area.. the help you would be getting is more specific to your body brain connection.. If you wish to email me please feel free to do so..  

I know this is not the forum for it.. but the results are worth my breaching protocol.. sorry all others..


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No, I'm not suggesting St. John's Wort for anybody right now. But when I was lactating and depressed, it was the only anti-depressant herb  I was familiar with and I included it in my research.  But the rest of my post still stands: there has been a lot more research on pharmeceutical antidepressants for nursing moms than on herbal supplements for nursing moms. I chose a pharmaceutical when I was nursing for that reason, but I fully respect any mom who chooses to use herbal treatments instead.

The number one priority (and 100% safe treatment) is to correct any nutritional deficiencies that underly depression. That can be very slow healing though, and sometimes women need more help with acute symptoms. That's where herbs and drugs come in.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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HEY anytime you are 'desperate' do what needs to be done.. I am a big believer in thinking for my self.. but if I have time then NAP is my better choice.. that I am certain..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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no comment.. other than I like this guy..

http://improvementaftermovement.typepad.com/  

he comes from a different place but the answers are the same..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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C_sharp is on a good track ...and btw...when the victim and the judge are calmed down.... then peace might re-installe ....

I often saw ppdepression coz of too much of copper in the blood... perhaps might you want to go for the manganese as P.D. described it as well for the homeopathic phosphorus....but the antagoniste to copper is zink, so far would implement this in adequate dosage as well, min. 15 to 25 mg's doesn't bother da baby at all ...and then load up with Vit. C !!! This is a part of your uprizing detoxprogram


wish you a quick recovery


p.s.

forgot to point out how amazingly Alfalfa as a monosubstance might work for us ...........


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Thank you, Isa.  Copper has been mentioned to me a couple of times before as possibilities, and I will get some zinc.


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The only time I've had issues with nursing and taking supplements is when the supplement didn't agree with me.  If it made me sick to my stomach then it would give Esther a fever and diarrhea.  
I can't take vit. E that one really messes her up.  But most things that are good for my BTD she handles just fine.  In fact, if she's got a cold she gets over it faster if I take the vitamin C rather than give it directly to her. Not sure why, but it's one of the reasons I'm still nursing her.
I find it interesting that you've just had baby #4 and are going through a difficult time.  I did as well.  It took me a couple of years to be able to snap out of having Israel.  I was always in constant pain, back pain in particular.  It wasn't until I was reading one of Dr. D's e-mail newsletters that I got Bromelain and what an incredible difference that made!  
By baby #4 my body decided I was done for.  I'd crank out 4 children in the space of 6 years with little rest in between.  My midwife told me that on baby 4 while I was pregnant that if I didn't slow down my body was going to shut down.  Well, she was right.
She'd told me for two years that I needed to take 6 weeks after the pregnancy.  No standing still, no lifting anything heavier than the baby, sit only for 15 minutes at a time for the first couple of weeks.  Which means, no washing dishes, meals, laundry, floors, etc.  
I finally HAD to do this after I had Israel.  I had no choice.  If I started to do something my uterus would ache like someone was taking a hammer to an old bruise!  Then I would start to bleed.  Even 6 months post partum I couldn't get on my hands and knees and scrub a floor.  It was a couple of years before my uterus was healed enough to be able to do that kind of activity.
5 years later however, I had Esther and what a difference compared to having Israel.  My recovery with Esther was incredibly fast and easy.  No depression, no pain, I had energy, it was great!  
I realize that this is a very hard thing to do.  Fortunately my husband was around when Israel was born so he and the kids were able to do everything I couldn't.  
With Esther my oldest son took it upon himself to make sure that the laundry was done and meals were fixed.  He's quite efficient in the area of practicality.  Being that they were all another 5 years older it was a lot different than when they had been smaller.
I realize that damage has already been done to your body as was to mine.  So I had to go and repair.  Bromelain did it for me.  I also would wear my maternity belt often if I had to do any activity that required bending over.  I had to do this for a few years.  If you don't have a maternity belt than maybe try to tie a shirt around your lower back and across your pelvic area.  It really does help.

Anyhow, I won't bog you down anymore.  I say just give your body more time to heal.  And I do take lots of vitamin C when necessary.  I've taken 1,000's of mg at a time without it ever hurting Esther or any of my other nursing children.

Leanne!


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Thank you, Leanne.  I do remember that you had some of the same issues, but I didn't remember that you had so much space between #4 and #5.  I think we've talked about this through e-mail before.

I have quit doing a lot.  I quit cleaning much.  I piddle around in the garden, but I don't till and I don't lift anything.  I don't rake dirt.  I did a few weeks ago and paid for it.

I will get some of Dr. D's bromelain.  I know you told me about that before too.  Sometimes it takes desperation to do something for yourself.


Okay, Dr. D.  I sent Rob to the grocery store this morning and he got sardines.  So I'm munching on a sardine/peanut butter/rye cracker snack.  I think I'm going to have to say I'm glad I have a cold and can't taste or smell anything.


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With the exception of the peanut butter that actually sounds pretty good!  

You'll get better Ribbit.  Stress does incredible things to your body.  Your immune system goes way low for one thing.  It took my body over a year to recover just from Esther being in the hospital.  I'm getting ready to post, probably next month, about an issue that has finally been resolved.  And having a baby isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world for your body to do.  
It's easy to get overwhelmed when you've got small children and your work load collects interest as the day goes on!  Hoping you feel better the next day you put off certain things.  But they never get done.
I had a older wise woman tell me something once that I've never forgotten and took me years to learn to appreciate.  She said, "You know, the dishes, laundry and house cleaning will always be there.  It never gets done.  But you only have your children for a short time."
I don't believe she told me that to use as an excuse to have a messy house.  On the contrary.  Rather encouraging me to relax.  Things don't have to be perfect and they're not going to be and if you try to make it perfect then you'll stress out your whole family.  I'm not pointing any fingers; I'm speaking from experience.
I can't tell you the many times when in-laws would suddenly drop in.  I'd meet them outside and close the door tightly behind me.  I was a loud, subtle hint that I didn't want anyone in my house.  It wasn't fit for company.
Sometimes we have to do that.  If someone is offended, oh well.  They'll get over it.  Someday when the kids are out, I've been told, you'll desire to be able to make those big meals again and pick up messes that you didn't create.

I think this is a good place to unload.  Sometimes those in your closest proximity try to help but usually end up only being a hindrance.  Many times physical help isn't what you need, you just have to get your emotions off your chest.  Glad we all could be here!
Love ya lots!
Leanne! (the other one )


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Okay, Dr. D.  I sent Rob to the grocery store this morning and he got sardines.  So I'm munching on a sardine/peanut butter/rye cracker snack.  I think I'm going to have to say I'm glad I have a cold and can't taste or smell anything.

I have been eating plain sardines on the lightly salted rice cakes lately...  I must need it because it is a really pleasant taste to me...  My DD says they stink, though...

Eat well and keep resting to allow the body to heal.  


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I can't take vit. E that one really messes her up.


posted above.. O's if I remember .. you are not supposed to take VIT E>makes the blood to thin ???? > per Dr D in his early books..

that is one reason I like the arly books they contained so much good stuff..  


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