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paulssandy
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I was wondering what happens when an O nonnie eats feta or moz. cheese. We have not gotten our secrector status done yet. We are waiting for a bit more funds to come available (I think the type O diet has to be the most expensive of them all) . I was certain that my husband would be a non-secretor, since he has always had stomach problems and has RA. But....... it seems as though I may be a nonnie and not the other way around. I have been pretty much following a nonnie diet for us, with the past week and a half adding a few "secretor only" items to our diet. They don't seem to bother Paul at all, but me....... a very small amount of peppers stir fried and eaten with bison had me awake through the night. Then adding feta to salads, YUMMY!!! Has pretty much made "solid" elimination a thing of the past I was wondering if this is a "normal" bad reaction to these "neutral for secretor" but "avoids for nonnie" foods if I was a nonnie. I also read that 80% of folks with fibromyanlgia are nonnies (that seems to put the "it is caused by supressed emotions" debate to rest for me   )

Anyway.....my hope is that you all will say....OH no, those things will have nothing to do with being a nonnie since I just love peppers and feta. I do know the only sure way of telling is to get the secretor test, but that won't be for another month or so. Thanks all, in adavance Sandy O
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O-nonnie here...feta or mozzarella chesse or dairy...blaaaaahhhh. Tummy doesn't feel right, itchy head (like I want to scratch to my brain) and power point on left arm gets very itchy too. And then...within the next day or two the sinus' start to clog. How much? Depends on how much dairy I ate. I have tried even with Deflect O and Bromelain and it still seems to affect me. So...out it goes. Even the ice cream.

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most avoids cause inflammation.........chronic inflammation of any kind has been linked to cancer and other serious pathology in the long run.


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Thank you Debra and Lola for the replies.  I wonder if that is why I needed to take and allegra today.  My ears are literally swimming, causing waves whenever I turn my head.  I have a son who is allergic to dairy and he reacts the same way Debra does.  But it does not take him 2 days, you can see it withingthe hour!! Wonder if he is a nonnie also, the poor kid, .  I guess I will blame th foods for the bad "results" and not eat them until I can get my status checked  

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dairy congests me as well and I m no nonnie!! )


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Dairy also makes this nonnie very irritable, and I find it addictive, it's hard to stop once I have a little.  Feta today, ice cream tomorrow!


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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whisper..whisper..whisper..yup ya right...that's also what Dr.Sarno said..psychosomatic

hey,hey,hey rooostersis ate icecream ....
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
whisper..whisper..whisper..yup ya right...that's also what Dr.Sarno said..psychosomatic

hey,hey,hey rooostersis ate icecream ....


sssshhhhhh isa... I 'think' I have learnt my lesson now.  

Sandy-Most of my symptoms happen within an hour or so except for the sinus'.   The power point is the quickest...especially if no prevention has been taken.  "Ears swimming, causing waves whenever you turn your head"-sounds like Vertigo to me.  Been there, done that.  Watch out for dizziness and unbalancing.  Not fun at all.

And yes, Melissa is right...irritability and wanting more follows.  

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paulssandy,
As a nonnie, I can tell you that as a general rule, nonnie's do not handle avoids as well as secretors.  Most secretors that I know consume a few avoids on a regular basis, carefully, to be sure, but still they can mostly get away with occasional indiscretions.

Not so with me . . and, from what I read on this board, not so with most nonnies.  We can get really ill from eating avoids.  Some are worse than others for sure.

Even though feta cheese and mozzarella are supposed to be fine for my blood type, I have been forced by my body's reaction to move them into the Infrequent Neutral category.  I only eat them if I am eating out or at someone house where I have no other options.  They hurt my digestion and can throw me into IBS, not to mention heavy sinus congestion.  

You son may not have a dairy allergy.  If he's an O, he's reacting to an avoid!  



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They hurt my digestion and can throw me into IBS, not to mention heavy sinus congestion.



This seems to be exactly what happens to me. Cramping, bloating, liquid stool. Tried it 2 Mondays in a row and had the same effect for 2 days after. So I will no longer be eating the cheese

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"Ears swimming, causing waves whenever you turn your head"-sounds like Vertigo to me. Been there, done that. Watch out for dizziness and unbalancing.


I get vertigo from hights and this is a bit different. It is definately fluid build up from an allergy since allegra will help it (not get rid of it completely though) I can actually feel the fluid when turning my head. just weird

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The power point is the quickest...especially if no prevention has been taken.


What is this ???

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Most of my symptoms happen within an hour or so except for the sinus'


Funny, just Sunday morning I ate some ezekiel cereal with soy milk and I started to get all stuffed up before I was even finished. I do not have that problem when eating the cereal with almond milk and the other ingredients were supposed to have been OK. I took an allegra and it went away.

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You son may not have a dairy allergy. If he's an O, he's reacting to an avoid!


Very possibly!! He starts to get stuffed up and eyes swell and tear up and his chest congests even before he is done with a piece of pizza, ice cream or other milk type products, except for yogurt Allegra does help him also, so I am wondering if lectin response is similar to allergy response or if allegra works on things other than allergies.

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The power point is the quickest...especially if no prevention has been taken.


My power points are when I am eating something (an avoid) and a place on my body reacts within minutes. Right, inside, knee is my main one. Especially with grains and sugars. As I am ingesting it it starts to burn and then ache. Not actually in the bone though. Dairy, and sometimes sugar, will be my left arm which will start to itch in one spot. Like wheat, this one takes awhile to heal. Sometimes I can scratch enough to cause bleeding. Most times deflect or bromelain will help depending how much I eat.

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WOW, that is soooooooo interesting!! I have noticed funny things like my head itching, but did not associate it with what I ate.  I will have to definately watch for these! Thank you so much for mentioning them!!!  Sandy O
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Your welcome...and itchy head yes...before BTD I used to scratch my head alot. My SIL even asked me once why I was always scratching it and suggested "Head and Shoulders"...the only thing that works for me is BTD.

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Wow!

I used to have an itchy head all of the time--and since BTD it's vanished--Never would have even noticed the correlation if I hadn't read this thread!

Thanks!


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Interesting how so many little symptoms vanish after following the BTD for a while.  You don't think about them so much until they are gone.  
It's amazing what we get used to, and think it's normal!



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Interesting how so many little symptoms vanish after following the BTD for a while. You don't think about them so much until they are gone.
It's amazing what we get used to, and think it's normal!


And...when you do eat the avoids...every now and then...what symptoms happen that you thought were just normal before BTD.

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I seem to do better with dairy that a lot of O's (apparently, if my sister is to be believed about her blood type being B, my dad was a B, so maybe I have a bit of a B "ghost in the machine"?). It is one major avoid that I do treat rather as a neutral, I must admit.* That said, Lola is absolutely on the money that it causes inflamation, and that inflamation may not be that noticeable in the short run but is a major culprit in so many and varied health problems in the long run, so dairy, like all avoids, is best avoided (guess that's why they are called avoids, huh?). I do avoid it more in the cold, dry months as it does cause inflamation in my upper-respiratory tract and goodness knows I don't need that with all the weird, complicated stuff I have going on in that realm without poking it all with a dairy stick to see what happens. So I am more cognizant of avoiding dairy in the winter, due to the upper-respiratory inflamation that goes along with it.

However, I do pretty well with it, relative to many O's. It is one thing I treat myself to in the name of variety, but ideally it is best avoided, again due precisely to what Lola said: it is very inflamatory to Type O's and inflamation is the culprit in so many baaaad things that can befall our health.

* edited to add: the dairy that I will have is usually in the form of spinach-artichoke dip, non-fat plain yogurt (just lately), and cheddar cheese if I'm out and order a burger. I do NOT have sweetened dairy avoids like ice cream. The sugar et al. in same would be worse than the dairy, me thinks. And why bother since they up and changed the recipe of Breyer's Mint Chip? Oh, the humanity.


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So true, Debra!!

After experiencing greater and greater health, who wants to go back????  !!!NOT me!!!



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Peppermint Twist!

You made me absolutely laugh right out loud when describing the peril of Breyer's recipe change for Mint Choc Chip!!!

Oh, the Humanity, Indeed!    

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Peppermint Twist!

You made me absolutely laugh right out loud when describing the peril of Breyer's recipe change for Mint Choc Chip!!!

Oh, the Humanity, Indeed!

My.

It was such a dark, frightening, chilling day when I recently realized that Breyer's has been taken over by an uber-entity called "Unilever" (how Orwellian sounding is that name alone?) and that their previously pure, high-quality, delicious recipe was now full of things like faux chocolate chips and coconut oil.

It is one of the signs of the apocolypse.

On the plus side, I no longer miss ice cream, as that was the only flavor which was my beloved...rest in peace, Breyer's Mint Chip!


edited to add:  http://adailyscoop.com/2006/09/11/breyers-natural-ice-cream-and-tara-gum-unilevers-response/


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I eat way too much cheese but not cow's milk cheeses.  The goat's milk ones don't bother me and sometimes I'll eat water buffalo yogurt.  I do find it addictive though.  I love the "Chevre de Noir goat's milk cheddar.  Having had a parathyroidectomy, calcium is a real concern for me and that's my excuse.  There's nothing like it on a burger made with WF's 93% lean, the goat's milk cheddar and a compliant salsa.  There's a peach one that I like.  It's not really sweet.

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sometimes I'll eat water buffalo yogurt. Jane


where, praytell, do you find this?



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It has to be in the natural food stores, Italy.  They sell it here in an independent hfs, but I'm pretty sure the big ones like Whole Foods and Wild Oats will have it.

I experiemented with WB yogurt for a few weeks, using it as the starter for making my goat's milk yogurt.  The thing I like about it is that it makes my goat yogurt turn out so nice and thick.  But alas, it turned out to be a Major Mucous Producer!!!  (for me, anyway)



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