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For the past several weeks, I've noticed some numbness in my feet. It's sporadic- sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's completely gone for a time ,etc. But overall, it's been getting worse. Instead of a few patches of numbness for a little while, that comes and goes, now it's an almost constant state of "something is numb" with only the severity and extent varying. This morning, I felt some numbness in my knee- my foot wasn't as numb as it's been at times, but it's never gone up my leg before! It was itchy, the way it  feels when Novocaine is wearing off.  

I've discovered that it's better when I've been active and is worse when I've been at rest- it's typically worst first thing in the morning, and it often is worse, or at least unchanged, after an epsom salts bath. Other triggers are when my sandals are strapped too tight- I'm constantly re-adjusting them so they don't hurt my feet. I need to wear them much looser than they're designed to be worn.

I've also been "under the weather" all week, and I don't know whether or not it's related to the numbness. I've had a sty in my left eye, and some eye itchiness in  both eyes (left eye worse.) That's better as the day goes by and worse in the mornings. I've been fatigued (what else is new?) and congested, and I'm not sure if I've been having trouble hearing or if my daughters have been mumbling a lot since they came home from camp on Tuesday.

Does anybody have any clue what might be going on with my body? What could be causing the numbness and how can I make it go away? I'm not due for my annual physical for several months- is this something to schedule a "sick visit" for?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I've had this on and off in hands and feet for a couple of years during the healing I am doing.  In my case, I'm pretty sure it is related to the cranial and spinal nerve healing.  I have waste being removed from fatty tissues as part of the healing and the symptoms are worse when several of these deposits are sore (active) at once.


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Do you ever see a chiropractor?  My first thought is nerve impingement but I'd say that if you
didn't have other physical complaints at the same time........but also remember that
magnesium oil detoxifies the body.  Are you drinking plenty of water? How about circulation?  Getting
enough exercise?  Does it improve any when you're walking?  

The fact that you have a stye, feel tired, itchy eyes and congested implies allergies or even virus to me...and perhaps it's something as benign as eating dairy...compounded with airborne mold. Maybe
a blood test at the doctor's office to see if you're fighting off an infection is worth exploring.

Seems silly to wait so long for a well visit when you're walking around with symptoms that a doctor
might be able to help you with...rule something out.  Might be a relief to hear what's not wrong...


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Are you eating nutritional yeast on a regular basis?  About a year ago, I started sprinkling it on food every day, about 1 tsp/day.  After a few months, I developed a numbness on parts of my feet and lower legs.  I read on this site about its' similarity to MSG and possible neurotoxic effects.  I stopped eating it a few months ago and the numbness gradually diminished over a few weeks until it is now completely gone.  



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I got numbness and tingling from solanine when I wasw eating alot of peppers of all kinds, including red pepper flakes. Nightshades are not good for me though most are beneficial on SWAMI. It took awhile for it to go away but if I eat a little now, the tingling comes back for a brief time


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Ohhh ... poli-neuropathy is very unpleasant to get, and can will be painful after some time.. It is diabetes related to begin with, weight might make a difference, I would start with TC and go from there..

I would advise to switch to plain trehalose as sugar for all sugar you might use..  

No twitching yet when resting? at night? YET?   Poli means also all over, what is going on in one place also goes on in the brain ..  I would not yet make a doctors visit, they have only some tests to see how far it progressed.. no need YET.. this might stay or if you can further change the diet then it might be much less..

Chiros make little if any differences unless it is only in one leg..

Doctors have few medicines to help, but it is bad to have it so young, eventually it gets so bad that you can not feel the floor or the gas pedal.. so preventing it will make a big difference..

I have a way to make a big difference in that condition, call me about it.. at least for a test.. I will pm you with my number....



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vertebra glidings ....would see an orthopede... perhaps do you need special shoes or instep-raiser hope I wrote it correctly  


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Pressure on the nerves in your lower back from a bulging disk or arthritis can cause numbness in legs and feet without there being any pain in your back.  

My husband deals with this continually.  If he lifts too much or does something that compresses his spine (like running after the dog), he will have numbness for several days.


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Candida?

Numbness / Tingling in Limbs
Typical Complaints: Pins and needles in the legs, hands feet or arms. Numbness in the fingers, toes, hands, feet , arms or legs, or a tingling or pricking sensation, a creeping feeling under the skin.

Candida relationship: When Candida becomes systemic (it buries through the gut wall and enters the blood stream) it leaves tiny holes in the gut wall which then allow product from the bowel into the blood stream. This is what doctors call gut disbiosis. This sets our body’s alarm bells ringing as product from the bowel has entered the sterile environment of the blood stream and the risk of contamination becomes the primary focus. In addition to this emergency, the holes also allow tiny food particles from the intestines to pass into the blood which we know can produce food sensitivities, which in turn provoke an inflammatory response in the body. It is this response which can result in the numbness or tingling associated with Candida.

Once the gut problem has been eradicated, the numbness/tingling will subside and cease to be a problem.

And this might be worth reading
http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/neurological-system-old


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Ruthie still can't convince you to make a visit to Bridgeport to the University?

Maybe you would qualify for a special rate-- get your SWAMI tweaked to your special needs.



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yes, try magnesium


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Ohhh ... poli-neuropathy is very unpleasant to get, and can will be painful after some time.. It is diabetes related to begin with, weight might make a difference, I would start with TC and go from there..

I would advise to switch to plain trehalose as sugar for all sugar you might use..  

Doctors have few medicines to help, but it is bad to have it so young, eventually it gets so bad that you can not feel the floor or the gas pedal.. so preventing it will make a big difference..
Neuropathy is what my MiL has... I am sure I read it was related to a Vit B12 deficiency?!

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Candida relationship: When Candida becomes systemic (it buries through the gut wall and enters the blood stream) it leaves tiny holes in the gut wall which then allow product from the bowel into the blood stream.  


THE WORD Candida.. is it on it or a condition.. IT burrows.. IT ??? what is it?  

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Neuropathy is what my MiL has... I am sure I read it was related to a Vit B12 deficiency?!


If I was Ruthiegirl.. I would most definitely try some B and see if it will go away..

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Yes, worth reading.. but the cure is in BTD and Ruthiegirl is on it .. so I wonder, does Trehalose complex also eliminate the Candida fungus or maybe eliminate it?   How could we know? anyone using TC and has Candida? seeing differences?  

I think TC is helping with my neuropathology..

How would a person know they have Candida fungus over-growth?    





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Yes, I've been eating a lot of nutritional yeast lately as it's a diamond on my SWAMI. I could stop that and see if it makes a difference.

I've been taking B-50 complex for several years, plus methyl b-12 for the past several months. I've been using topical magnesium oil for over a year as well- for the past several months, I've been using that once a day plus taking an epsom salts bath once a day- I've been too tired to do so at times but it's been fairly consistent for weeks.

I'm not about to start using trehalose "for all my sugar needs" when I don't use sugar. Some days I might use a teaspoonful of molasses or agave, but no more than that.

I don't think it's a problem with peppers, as I've been eating those for years with no problems.

I can only think of two new things in the past few months:

1) Eating a lot of nutritional yeast to try and get some of my B vitamins from food, rather than all from supplements.

2) Drinking red wine daily. It's supposed to be beneficial on my SWAMI, and I'd been drinking about 2 ounces each night. But I noticed that the kind of wine I bought contains sulfites (I have yet to find any kosher organic wines locally) and I normally avoid any foods with added chemicals.

I don't think it's diabetic neuropathy because I don't have diabetes. I am prone to it, and had "gestational diabetes" while pregnant with my son, but I eat in a way that keeps my blood sugar stable (low sugar, low GI). My A1C tests have been in the normal range for the past 2 years (prior to that, I didn't think to ask for all my labwork from the dr.)

I've had vaginal yeast infections in the past, and I don't have one now. This makes me think that I don't have candida overgrowth. And it's not like I've been eating a high-sugar diet, so how would I have gotten candida?


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Ruthie, it's not that you might have a new case of candida...it's possible you've never gotten rid
of the yeast overgrowth that could have caused a leaky gut awhile back, before you ever went on
the diet...Yeast can feed on grains and fruit and anything sweet.  Only a total paleo diet would
give you no carbs....and not in any way suggesting anything quite that radical...  Can't possibly know for sure what's causing this...but it sounds very plausible to avoid the nutritional yeast and see if that makes a difference.

Sulfites in wine...could be neurotoxic for your body.
http://www.jbc.org/content/279/41/43035.full

There are red wines that are sulfite free...and organic, but might not be kosher.  And I don't know
if sulfites could be the natural result of wine production whether it's added as an ingredient or not.


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RG you answered just as I expected.. soert of difficult.. but I might suggest to stop the magnesium for a while as well.. seems if I do lots then it gets worse.. as for diabetes.. it might comes later becasuse of your diet..  


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Quoted from Suzanne
Pressure on the nerves in your lower back from a bulging disk or arthritis can cause numbness in legs and feet without there being any pain in your back.  

My husband deals with this continually.  If he lifts too much or does something that compresses his spine (like running after the dog), he will have numbness for several days.


I have spondylolisthesis grade 2 which I never knew I had until arthritis set in. Any lower back overuse will cause sciatic pain. Mag. also helps me.  By they way sciatica also make me very tired.

One simple test, sleep tonight with two pillows in one case, but under your knees but up high enough that your almost sitting on the edge.  If this helps you'll know by morning as you'll have spent the night giving your sciatic nerve a rest.


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Sulfites in wine...could be neurotoxic for your body.
http://www.jbc.org/content/279/41/43035.full

There are red wines that are sulfite free...and organic, but might not be kosher.  And I don't know
if sulfites could be the natural result of wine production whether it's added as an ingredient or not.
I think the really harmful sulphites are the ones that are added.. (altho' grapes are high in natural suphites)

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Ruthie, it's not that you might have a new case of candida...it's possible you've never gotten rid of the yeast overgrowth that could have caused a leaky gut awhile back, before you ever went on the diet...Yeast can feed on grains and fruit and anything sweet.  Only a total paleo diet would give you no carbs....and not in any way suggesting anything quite that radical...
I had no real symptoms of candida/yeast overgrowth except for white powdery stuff under my big toenails... Could not get rid of it till I went completely carb free & now it is gone, even when I later re-introuduced carbs...
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I was on a Paleo diet before I stumbled upon BTD. I REALLY haven't had a lot of sugars in years. Heavy metal toxicity is a distinct possibility though; I still have something like 9 amalgam fillings in my mouth.

I'm going to cut out the wine and yeast and see what happens. I'll continue to have a small amount of wine on Friday nights (though I will try to find something sulfate-free by next week) but I'll totally stop having it during the week. I'm not going to stop the magnesium though- I can definitely feel the muscle pain when I forget to use it, so it's clear to me that my body needs the mag right now.


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I'm going to cut out the wine and yeast and see what happens. I'll continue to have a small amount of wine on Friday nights (though I will try to find something sulfate-free by next week) but I'll totally stop having it during the week.
Sulfite free wine is quite expensive, well here anyway (just as a warning)

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I was on a Paleo diet before I stumbled upon BTD. I REALLY haven't had a lot of sugars in years. Heavy metal toxicity is a distinct possibility though; I still have something like 9 amalgam fillings in my mouth.

I'm going to cut out the wine and yeast and see what happens. I'll continue to have a small amount of wine on Friday nights (though I will try to find something sulfate-free by next week) but I'll totally stop having it during the week. I'm not going to stop the magnesium though- I can definitely feel the muscle pain when I forget to use it, so it's clear to me that my body needs the mag right now.


I agree with you on the magnesium.  Don't recommend you stop.  As someone who had
severe fibro for years, I know it helps for pain and the transdermal delivery totally got rid of my trigger point knots in muscles. Although, gotta say, that sometimes the bottoms of my feet
feet feel numb or tingly...mostly toes...and for me, it might be circulation.

Is the numbness in both legs and both feet?  Just wondered if it were one sided which is more
indicative of a disc issue where a nerve is likely impinged...Also is it your entire foot top and bottom or just bottom? Just toes or is it the entire foot?  And how about hands?  Any numbness?  Do you remember when this began?  It seems a bit strange that you'd suddenly be affected by heavy metals....You could try adding cilantro/corriander to many foods...It's a heavy metal chelator.  So is chlorella if you've got any of these listed on your SWAMI.  

http://www.detox-heavymetals.com/docs/British_Naturopathic_Journa.pdf

And lots of garlic
http://blog.imva.info/medicine/cancer-sulfur-garlic-glutathione


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I'm not going to stop the magnesium though- I can definitely feel the muscle pain when I forget to use it, so it's clear to me that my body needs the mag right now.


I understand.. yet, I have had more success with Manganese, There was a time I really needed it lots of it.. I got it at Chiro .. called LIGAPLEX ll by Standard Process..  I would advise to try it for pain.. I took it as often as pain came back.. but that was for pain.. and much better than any painkiller pill.

As for the magnesium I am more concerned that you take it in balance to all other minerals affecting your body.  

I was able to get rid of my neuropathy 99% with dropping my weight.. I have no numbness any more, just twitching at night sometime, but there is where my work comes in. in fact if nothing else works - IT works!



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I've read this thread with great interest, as I've had numbness in both feet before. In my case due to the effects of medication, and it went away, but still, I can relate.

The questions Chloe poses are the same questions I'd ask you: is the numbness one-sided or in both feet?
Are the toes affected, or the entire foot, etc etc.
Knowing this might help rule out some probable causes.


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It's in  both feet fairly evenly. It's worse in the toes, but the numbness does spread to other parts of the feet. It feels like the numbness starts in the bottom of the ball of my foot, then spreads from there. It rarely reaches the top of my foot, but sometimes my entire big toe is affected. It's slightly worse on the left side, but only slightly.

The feeling in my legs is different. It's just the skin, and I'm not entirely sure if it's the numbness spreading or just a weird feeling on my skin. That's gone up as high as my knees, and more recently to my inner thighs (but not the outer.)

I haven't had any kind of numbness above the waist; my hands are not affected at all.

It began a few weeks ago, around the time my daughters left for camp.

For about a year, I've been eating lots of garlic, onions, and turmeric. I started that when Patty H emailed me her "mercury detox protocol" her dentist gave her. I was unable to use all the products her dentist recommends, but I did increase those foods before amalgam removal and never stopped eating them regularly.

My greatest concern with chelation is that I don't want to leach more mercury out of my fillings while they're still in my mouth. I want to open up detox pathways and get any circulating mercury out, but not in such a powerful way that it starts leaching more mercury into my system. Cilantro gets mercury circulating but doesn't remove it from the body, so I'm using that sparingly (as a spice occasionally.) I did buy chlorella, and have been having 1/8th teaspoon a few times a week, but I'm wondering if that might be  doing me more harm than good.


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I expect clorella to be good..


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Clorella is good..

I am surprised that you have sooo much of it ,,, I only had inches on the side or on inch on the heel on the other side.. but you are seemingly having more issues..

I would see my doctor.. at least rule out issues..   You warrant it..  


  


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Ruthiegirl, that's a lot of numbness, if it even goes up to the thighs!
I agree with Goldie, maybe this is a good time to go see your doctor to rule out the obvious problems, maybe have some bloodwork done.

Because your numbness is so consistent and so wide-spread, I'd rule out diabetes, vitamin deficiency, a slipped disc/pinched nerve before looking into other causes.

Wishing you all the best with this; numbness can feel awful and very weird. I remember bumping my feet really hard once and not even feeling it.


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This potentially could be something viral that is affecting your nervous system.  Were you actually sick any of this time?  Feel like you had a virus?

There are many types of herpes viruses that affect the nerve endings...My sister had viral
encephalitis and viral meningitis plus Bells Palsy one summer.

I'm wondering if a trip to your doctor just to get a professional opinion and  blood work might be in your best interest.  As much as we'd all like to help you, we're not professionals and simply
grasping at straws....it would be really important to rule out anything serious.  Self treating heavy metals isn't always easy... and it doesn't seem likely that you'd have a sudden onset of heavy metal toxicity.

I'd want you  to be sure you don't have shingles....or something that needs immediate attention.

See how many things it could be?
http://www.healthblurbs.com/ma.....and-needles-feeling/

But also note that it's a symptom of fibromyalgia which I know you have
http://www.healthblurbs.com/fibromyalsia-living-your-life-in-a-tired-and-painful-fog/

http://www.ehow.com/about_5035281_causes-numbness-feet.html


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I guess I'll give my doctor a call tomorrow and make an appointment for later this week. It's so hard to find time to do things for myself when my kids' needs seem so much more immediate.


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I guess I'll give my doctor a call tomorrow and make an appointment for later this week. It's so hard to find time to do things for myself when my kids' needs seem so much more immediate.


Ruthie, we all care about you ...so you really have no option but to take care of yourself the
best way you can...(yes, this time, it's just going to have to be tough love) Sometimes this forum has the right solutions and offers many natural protocols that are perfectly suited to a variety
of symptoms..but other times, you just need to rule out things only a medical professional can help you with...You need to stay healthy and be there for your children when they need you.  And you need to be healthy for YOU! {{{{{hugs}}}}  Hoping you get a doctor's appointment and can at least
feel better knowing your issues are being addressed with expertise.


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You might also look into asking your doctor (before the appointment time) if you can or should use Capsaicin        

http://osteoarthritis.about.com/od/painrelief/a/capsaicin.htmCapsion,

a cream meant to be for such situations.. and as far as I can see, it is made with ingredients meant to stimulate/oxygenate the areas affected.  It might give relieve as well as have curative properties.. I do not know if there are other such creams available.. I have used it and it does get 'hot'.. I think it would do no harm in small doses, be less expensive, over the counter, and would it not 'cover' up the situation for when you see your doctor.  

A Neurologist would be the right kind to see, as you will most likely be referred to for testing anyway.  

Another thing to ask about, is getting 'self testing' sticks for diabetes/insulin testing and keeping a record of it- also before going to see your doctor, as that will also help with answering questions ..

ONE question please ..... the areas you expose to the Magnesium, in whatever form you use it, is it the same or similar area/place as the Magnesium exposure?? I am just asking /searching for possible answers.. Your affected areas seem so 'big'.  

Please get well soon.  You have helped me and many others 'here' to understand so much, we wish to understand your issue now and give back.. all the best.


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Look what I found.. in the other thread about Restless Leg Syndrome.. The other name for feet numbness.

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Age: 50 I had terrible restless legs every night for years - I thought it would drive me to insanity sometimes. Then I accidentally stumbled over the cause for me - bananas! A cyclone wiped out whole plantations of them, and the ones remaining for sale were simply exorbitant. So we ceased eating them until the crops recovered. My RLS disappeared at the same time. It was only when I resumed eating bananas that the RLS returned, and then I made the connection. No bananas - no RLS!


Wow.... this might be the REASON why Dr D - James that is-  advised in one of HIS books that banana might not be good for everyone!!!  

I will stay even further away.. I already converted to frozen slices.. wow.. what a difference this will make in what I will look for .. smoothies have gone away because of the changes I made with banana .. I used to eat them all the time, now a day only here and there and now I have the REASON why!!!    


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I have an appointment for 4:40 this afternoon at the doctor's office, though not with my usual doctor because she's not in today. I called today thinking they'd get me in tomorrow or later this week, but she put me in for today.

On my feet there's definite numbness; on other parts of my body I get weird skin sensations that might be numbness too (just skin thick) or might just be a weird skin sensation. I use the mag oil on my ankles through my upper arms- covering my legs and my whole  torso. I haven't been doing my feet or hands because then I can't move or do anything while the mag oil is absorbing. When I take an epsom salts bath, it's up to my neck.

I don't eat bananas regularly. I might have had a few sips of a smoothie made with bananas and other fruit, but I haven't eaten as much as a whole banana in the past month. The only fruit I've had at all is pineapple juice in green tea, lemon juice on salads, and once or twice a  bowl of blueberries with cottage or ricotta cheese.

I was a bit careless with my diet while the girls were in camp; eating more cheese than I should have (including avoid cheeses) and having turkey hot dogs (with soy protein and unhealthy additives) quite a few times. But I'm back on track with my diet now.


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It's great that you can at least see a doctor, even if it's not your own, this afternoon!

All the best, I really hope you'll be able to rule out some probable causes for the numbness.


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Good luck, Ruthie.  To me it sounds like a very slight case of myelitis, brought on by a virus and your body's attempt to quell it.  A second idea is that too much vitamin B might be having an effect on your nervous system.

Bernard Rimland wrote about Vitamin B6 overdose affecting the legs while he was researching its potential to mitigate autism.  I myself get "lead legs" when I take certain megadoses of B vitamins.


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Quoted from Goldie
  

Please get well soon.  You have helped me and many others 'here' to understand so much, we wish to understand your issue now and give back.. all the best.


  Please get well soon ruthiegirl I am so sorry that happen to you.

Wow Goldie, lucky you found the answer that may be from Banana.

Also, I thinking about B complex, all kind of Vitamin B. Nutritional Yeast nah, doesn't like sunlight
( keep in dark place) and it doesn't like in the water. (oh sorry I don't know how to explian) I mean no more vitamin if in the water or sunlight.

My friend, she get numbness too. I told her eat Brown rice please. its go away after 6 months.


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I'll be thinking about you at 4:40 today Ruthie....Glad you're going to get another opinion....(ie,
other than us very well intended forum friends) Good luck and feel better {{{{hugs}}}}


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Glad you're seeing a doctor.  At least that way you may be able to rule out some things.  Be well.
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I do keep my vitamins out of direct sunlight (the B comes in a  brown bottle to protect it from regular room light) and I keep my supplements dry (until I swallow them- then they get wet inside my body.)


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The only fruit I've had at all is pineapple juice in green tea.

I was a bit careless with my diet while the girls were in camp; eating more cheese than I should have (including avoid cheeses) and having turkey hot dogs (with soy protein and unhealthy additives) quite a few times. But I'm back on track with my diet now.


Oh dear, sweetheart about the pineapple. Please be careful because the Chemical nah. My friend told me that she has a friend used to work in the farm before. They can't help because the insect.

Inclue all kind of vegetables some people used for long time until now her mouth is not sheped correctly. Plus, they eat MSG a lot too  


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Thinking of you, Ruthie, and hope you get some insight that will help you solve this mystery.  



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OK, I'm back from the doctor. Of course, while I was there, the numbness was "flared down" so she couldn't see me at my worst. It was only on a small area of my feet and wasn't radiating up my legs at the time, and she didn't seem to "hear" me when I told her how far it spreads at times. I also wasn't so persistant in explaining that because I wasn't feeling it while in the exam room.

She referred me to a podiatrist and ordered X-rays of my feet. I had the X-rays taken today and made an appointment with the podiatrist for Thursday, August 2nd. I imagine the podiatrist will refer me to a neurologist.

She didn't want to refer me to a neurologist because this didn't seem like "typical neurolopathy" to her: no "pins and needles" or tingling; what she could see is that it's only in my feet so send me to a foot specialist. She also didn't want to  order any lab tests today, because she'd want to re-test absolutely everything or not bother testing anything, and she wanted to rule out some more stuff first. I also think she may have been hesitant to order a zillion tests since she's not my usual doctor.

She did rule out circulation problems- apparently my feet would have been cold or shown other signs of lack of circulation that would be visible from the outside. My feet look perfectly normal; they just don't feel perfectly normal.

By the time I was done with the X-rays, I was feeling some of that numbness over my left knee and upper leg, and I regretted not being firmer with the doctor. But, at least I don't have to wait long until the podiatrist refers me on.


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I may suggest you stop all sups and meds and whatever... for two weeks.. and see if it will make a difference..

what other things would she want to rule out?  Did she say.. MS might be a poor guess.. but ..

or Lyme?   I mean she could be all over the map.. to bad.. all around.. Hope that you will soon figure it out.. I am near certain that you will be theone that gets it thought through.. figure it out..  keep searching your mind ..


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I don't want to change any of my supplements just yet, at least not until  I have some lab tests done that reflect my current supp usage. All the supps I take have been carefully researched and I'd hate to have a relapse on something else (like depression) if I stop taking everything.

The only meds I take are Alleve for 1-3 days a month for menstrual cramps. I took 3 pills yesterday and I'm done with them for the month.


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I don't want to change any of my supplements just yet, at least not until  I have some lab tests done that reflect my current supp usage. All the supps I take have been carefully researched and I'd hate to have a relapse on something else (like depression) if I stop taking everything.

The only meds I take are Alleve for 1-3 days a month for menstrual cramps. I took 3 pills yesterday and I'm done with them for the month.


The fact that you get cramps at all makes me wonder if your essential fatty acid profile is "off".
Inflammatory prostaglandins and leukotrienes can cause cramping....and I wonder if you get enough omega 3 in relation to your omega 6.  Just a thought because the numbness, although
seemingly unrelated could be something related to general inflammation.

http://www.healwithfood.org/menstrualcramps/


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This month, my cramps were much milder and shorter-lived than in the past. I've been eating a lot of sardines, I take black currant seed oil daily, and my fats from food consist of olive oil, coconut oil, ghee made from organic butter, plus fats found naturally in foods such as almonds, egg yolks, and meat.

Besides, I've had menstrual cramps since my second menstrual cycle when I was 12 and a half. This numbness has only been going on for about a month.


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This month, my cramps were much milder and shorter-lived than in the past. I've been eating a lot of sardines, I take black currant seed oil daily, and my fats from food consist of olive oil, coconut oil, ghee made from organic butter, plus fats found naturally in foods such as almonds, egg yolks, and meat.

Besides, I've had menstrual cramps since my second menstrual cycle when I was 12 and a half. This numbness has only been going on for about a month.


Black currant seed oil, which is high in GLA might be helping with your cramps.

Organic butter isn't necessarily butter from grass fed cows.  Is your beef?  Eggs if they don't
say high in DHA on the box didn't come from chickens fed a high omega 3 diet.  Inflammation
responds well to a high omega 3 intake....and 3s should be higher than omega 6

Low omega 3 can cause poor circulation.  Just saying....not sure your omega 3 intake is low...
but just something I'm mentioning because I feel my circulation has improved by upping my
intake of omega 3.  Not diagnosing your numb feet as poor circulation...but just wondering
with your intake of avoid cheeses and foods that would be high in omega 6 if this didn't throw your ratio a bit toward the inflammatory pathway recently. Scroll down, this article does
mention menstrual pain. You might have been low in omega 3s your entire adult life.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm/


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The avoid cheeses could definitely have been an issue the past few weeks, but the numbness started before I got careless with my diet. Something else is definitely going on with me, and I'd like to find out what it is.

I've read that too many omega 3s, without omega 6, can cause many of the same symptoms. That's rare in America today, but can happen with people who try too hard to avoid omega 6s and eat lots of omega 3s.


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So right // not to stop all sups.. but in time maybe .. just to see .. not harping on it ..

yet, if I had not taken Trehalose Complex I would not be ale to feel happier, and somewhat more energized, especially when I am aggravated by other circumstances.. and then reduced my head pain...

In (my) time I found that I needed some magnesium recently ,  to address the muscle neck that causes the headaches..  so just to be sure.. in time consider all..

a pill three time a month is not bad..

P/S  This was from some time ago..

I can do alpha/Beta and other waves with my equipment.. call me.. or not whatever but read this.. when you have time..

A database of blood type linked pathology.

Disease     Auto-immune disease, Fibromyalgia
Blood Group Link     Type Os who consume a lot of grains in their diet are highly susceptible to autoimmune disease. The lectins exacerbate the tendency for hyper-immunity, which is characteristic of autoimmune diseases.I know of many cases of fibromyalgia that have dramatically improved and been relieved by following the Blood Type Diet. Of the foods known to induce joint inflammation, grains certainly top the list. One researcher says of lectins: "Avoidance of these is frequently the only dietary maneuver required, especially in the early cases." Our most common grains contain lectins, and many of these lectins are specifically attracted to sugars, particularly N-acetyl glucosamine (NAG), that are found abundantly in connective tissue. Wheat germ lectin in particular has an affinity for NAG. My suspicion is that a substantial amount of the improvement is simply the result of wheat avoidance, particularly for Type O.

Special Note     Many people with fibromyalgia experience a type of sleep disturbance called alpha delta sleep disorder. When a person is awake and resting, "alpha" brain waves are emitted at a frequency of 8 to 13 per second. When a person is in deep sleep, "delta" brain waves are emitted at a rate of less than 3.5 per second. People with alpha delta sleep disorder experience a disruption in these patterns. When they reach deep sleep, the phase in which muscles are repaired, alpha waves intrude and jolt them back to lighter sleep. They don't obtain enough deep sleep, and their body is not adequately refreshed. This condition aggravates fibromyalgia symptoms.Lack of sleep accentuates the fatigue that most people with fibromyalgia experience. Musculoskeletal pain is also worsened by poor sleep. Most people who don't sleep well have muscle aches, regardless of the cause of their sleep disturbance. Because people with fibromyalgia achieve only light, non-restorative sleep, their body never fully relaxes. In addition, they often toss and turn all night, which keeps the muscles tensed and active. People with normal sleep patterns typically awaken feeling refreshed. But people with fibromyalgia may be in significant pain when they get out of bed in the morning.







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Ruthiegirl, that's a little step forward, but unfortunately not as big a step as you (and I) would have liked.
I get why the doctor didn't go all out on the blood tests, but she could have taken your experiences with numbness up to the thigh a little more into account, in my opinion.
But you'll be referred to a neurologist in time if I understand correctly, so that's good.

I hope you'll soon find out what exactly is going on in your body.


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OK, I'm back from the podiatrist. As expected, he referred me to a neurologist, and I have an appointment for September 11th. I'm not surprised that it took this long to get the specialist appt, what surprises me is that I was able to see the podiatrist in only 2 days!

My foot X-rays showed nothing. The podiatrist said that, while the X-rays showed nothing, it's possible that I have some "wear and tear" damage to the tiny bones under the toes, causing bones to press against bones and causing foot pain/discomfort. I wish I'd asked him to write down the medical terms he used so I could Google them. He spent a lot of time talking to me about wearing cushioned shoes all the time, even in the house, and not to walk around barefoot.

That advice would make sense if I had foot pain, which I don't. And while he seemed so confident in his diagnosis, there really wasn't anything for him to base this on. When I explained how far the numbness spreads at times, he said it sounded like neuropathy and gave me the referral for the neurologist. Frankly, it seems the neuropathy explains the foot numbness far better and I can't see any reason to stop walking around barefoot in the house.


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Foot pain is a totally different entity from food numbness which does imply nerve damage or nerve
impingement...and in both feet, doesn't sound like impingement because why would impingement
come on suddenly.

What I do know is this.  I had severe nerve problems when I ate gluten....I had nerve pain that
shot clear down one leg and felt like a searing hot coal had ripped through my leg..I went for an MRI
and they found nothing...Yes a few not so beautiful looking discs....but for most people of a certain
age, all MRIs show disc issues, whether there is physical pain or not.  I had severe nerve pain...

So the damage from celiac/gluten intolerance leads to a leaky gut which allows these toxic proteins
to circulate in the blood stream...All toxicity keeps getting back into the blood which is in all reality
has a neurotoxic effect.

From everything I've read about the damage that gluten can cause...so can casein in vulnerable
celiacs. In other words, the same damage from grains is often exacerbated by the casein because
it is just as damaging, even though the obvious location of distress does not have to be evident
in the gut..A leaky gut can give you a myriad of symptoms....

http://www.glutenfreesociety.org/gluten-free-society-blog/gluten-causes-nerve-damage/

Read how caseiin can shred the intestinal lining.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-intolerance/#axzz22Ppjknwx

Although I managed to get rid of my nerve pain when I totally gave up gluten grains....what still
sometimes persists for me is that my feet feel weird....toes get numb, but not my entire foot.
But notice in the above article that casein can trigger insulin responses...and it tears up the gut
so in essence it's a damaging to some people especially gluten intolerant individuals more than
others. People with diabetes might have nerve issues from a high insulin response...but what if
a person without diabetes is starting to become vulnerable to the very same triggers as a full
blown diabetic? Eating one food that is elevating an insulin response...Casein can do that to some.

IT takes awhile for nerve issues to resolve...and if you see a neurologist and get no definitive
answers, if I were you, I'd try and eliminate all gluten and all dairy for at least 6 months and
see if you notice any difference.  I am doing far better on the only cheese left on my SWAMI...
manchego from sheep's milk and not cow's.  Obviously my reaction to casein from cow's milk
is severe enough to give me the same issues as gluten has done in the past...

It really is possible that gluten grains and cow's milk protein (casein) are what gave you
fibromyalgia in the first place plus this new nerve pain which might be helped by avoiding
both food groups.

I also shared a link in this thread that listed nerve pain as a fibromyalgia symptom.  Wouldn't
it be amazing if your issues could be resolved by avoiding these two foods....foods that have
been known to be allergenic to many people...causing auto immune reactions in  so many
people.   What if fibromyalgia (which I've had for years as well) was really nothing more than
an intolerance for gluten and casein.  I've always had a gut feeling this was the case...My
fibro improved dramatically when I gave up gluten...I didn't add back any dairy until I began
on the GTD and then I started having nerve pain again.  That tells me it was the cheese...
because I've been off gluten for over 6 years.


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I have a little bit of quark cheese left from the last batch I made. I think I'll finish that up (it's about one serving's worth) and then not make any more.

I don't have an official diabetes diagnosis, but I've effectively been following a diabetic diet for the past 11 years. It might be as accurate to say that I'm a type II diabetic who's keeping her blood sugar under control via diet. If I keep it controlled, I'll never get the diagnosis.

I've been mostly gluten-free for years, except for spelt matzah this past Passover (which made me ill) but I also can't be 100% sure there isn't any cross-contamination in my kitchen. I do my best to keep the spelt flour and bread crumbs out of my food, but it may not be perfect. I can't realistically have a spelt-free kitchen when it's a good food for my kids.


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I have a little bit of quark cheese left from the last batch I made. I think I'll finish that up (it's about one serving's worth) and then not make any more.

I don't have an official diabetes diagnosis, but I've effectively been following a diabetic diet for the past 11 years. It might be as accurate to say that I'm a type II diabetic who's keeping her blood sugar under control via diet. If I keep it controlled, I'll never get the diagnosis.

I've been mostly gluten-free for years, except for spelt matzah this past Passover (which made me ill) but I also can't be 100% sure there isn't any cross-contamination in my kitchen. I do my best to keep the spelt flour and bread crumbs out of my food, but it may not be perfect. I can't realistically have a spelt-free kitchen when it's a good food for my kids.


This is mind blowing information...Listen just to learn about casein and the types of milk products that cause problems.

You can ff a bit until about 15 minutes and then start listening.  I learned so much from this.

http://livehealthierandhappier.....a-the-devil-in-milk/



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So you have a referral to the specialist that should be able to help you, that's great! Sounds like the podiatrist just wanted to sell you some cushioned shoes, I expect a neurologist is a better bet for your numbness issues.
In the meantime, I hope your symptoms won't get worse and maybe you'll even find a way to lessen them through dietary changes.

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I have the following to ask you..

Is it really numbness or the feeling of it being numb?  take a pin use the head of the pin to poke in the areas you say are numb.(not to penetrate) . If you feel them, then it is not numbness... but the feeling of numbness..

This is what the neurologist will do on the first or second visit.. just they use electric gadgets..

If the feeling is truly not there, I would be very concerned and see a heart specialist.. and look for some kind of circulation issue/ blood clot something.. but I remember you saying that the feet felt warm, so no loss of circulation.. good enough..

If it is just a 'feeling' as if I can not feel anything.. many call it numbness, then it could be coming from the brain in some way.. meaning the brain is interpreting the skin as numb.. I would not worry about that yet.. not likely the case..

If however you feel the numb area, but it feels a little like when getting on injection by the dentist, sort of feel all, but it feels different, then that is neuropathy --( different from neuropathology.. the dying of nerves..when the feet or the limb goes ice cold.. big difference. )

You are where I was many years ago.. in terms of diabetes ll. Yes you have pushed it out and KEPT it under control with diet, without that you would be much worse.. we both would be much worse..

But the decline in our health somehow is still there, diabetes is inside, long before we test for it.. I am of the opinion worth 1 penny, that diabetes is not connected to the pancreas, it is the victim.. I think we need to take many a new look at this disease.. with BTD SUCCESS in mind.. WE have choices.

Nerve damage is the first sign.. I have been saying this from my own experience, it starts 10 - 15 years earlier.. If we are compliant.. and that compliance is 100% different then the foods we would be eating without Dr. Peter D'Adamo!  without it, we would be poisoning our body every day!

Knowing what it is however does not take away the concern.. I railed against the label, I did not wish to look at it, yet the nerves told me differently -as time went on, I ended up in the urgent care unit in pain... I have written on this before..

The problem with nerves and pain, numbness, twitching, restless leg syndrome, all is related to something.. but what?  I think minerals will play a role.. (I had great results with Manganese, for Fibromialgia PAIN (took it by the hour when pain returned-better then painkiller meds) and now Magnesium for muscle cramps, (after the Complex- D-Ribose in the Trehalose I take since January...) I am certain that people like us will go down a list of different things as time goes on.. but therein is HOPE.  

The connection made above with banana might be one such item.. .. but there might be other things.. Things that address the nerves RATHER then diabetes.  but diabetes (the Geno type)  causes the  nerve issues...

I am certain that our food values are on target, I am certain that we can figure this out, (doctors will be of little if any help) but maybe starting the Metformin meds might not be the worst to consider.. IT takes at least 3-6-12 month to see a difference in how your body responds to any item that can trigger some kind of sugar/insuline response.. It took me a while to figure out that it was not only sugar  ...

The problem is not that we are doing anything wrong.. in fact WE are doing so much right that we are not SEEING the destructions other see
..    

As for the nerves and poli*-neuropathy, *all over nerve damage, I was able to reverse mine,,, so there is a difference, I am not needing drugs for it .. but I have some equipment that helps a great deal, it takes time and vigilance.. but the body will let you know when to do what/ it is relentless at night..

The reason for soft shoes, is not any other, then that you might not feel a cut, a bump, or some other injury..  I walk barefoot all day, yet I get my feet done professionally, to make sure I stay on top of good hygiene.

If I was YOU at your stage/age, I would buy the cream I mentioned way above and see if you can apply/stand it.. it gets hot..

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/completeazindex/a/capsaicin_cream.htm

One of the other things I did many years ago, was to take a bath in peppered water, the pain behind my knees was nearly unbearable.. but I think it did no harm.. in-fact it might have circulated stuff where it otherwise did not.. If you are interested in finding out how what ask me..    

all the best..






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2degreespisces- he wasn't trying to sell me any shoes. He actually looked at the shoes I was wearing (well, on the floor of the exam room, since I was barefoot for the exam) and told me they were a good choice.

Goldie- most of the numb areas feel "like Novocaine wearing off." There's a loss of sensation, but it's not complete. Mostly the skin just feels "weird." I just tried the pin test on the bottoms of my feet, where the numbness is the most intense. For a few small areas (maybe an inch and a half in diameter?) I could feel the pressure of the pin, but not the pin itself.  That was before my shower. After showering, I could feel the pinprick in all areas. The "numbest" spots are still there at the bottom of my feet, and the slight numbness still goes past my knees, but the intensity is gone. I have been checking my feet a couple of times a day and rubbing coconut oil into them.

I've now had two doctors examine my feet and tell me, with confidence, that I don't have a circulation problem. It's clearly a nerve issue. I did some research on neuropathy last night, and it seems that most of the treatment revolves around pain relief, for those individuals who get pain instead of just numbness.

I don't have a problem with a diabetes "label", not if it would help doctors figure me out better, help me explain better to rabbis about things (should I fast on fast days?) etc. I just want to figure out what's going on with my body so I can fix what's broken.

I'm still hesitant to change my supplement routine until I've seen the neurologist. I don't want to mask symptoms and then have the neurologist unable to find a problem, even if that problem is still there. I will cut out all dairy except for ghee and butter and stop consuming sulphite-laden wine. (I found a sulphite-free kosher red wine last night! I'll have that for Shabbos but I won't resume drinking 2oz a night like I did for a little while.)


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Just something on neurotoxicology to read...

http://www.dana.org/news/brainhealth/detail.aspx?id=9796

I'm thinking that most neurologists don't know that they don't know anything about this
subject of neurotoxicology...and often it's the missing link. I had a bazillion symptoms that
were neurological from Lyme Disease...overlapped by my intolerance of gluten.

http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/75/suppl_3/iii29.full


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Sorry Ruthiegirl, I misunderstood the podiatrist and his emphasis on your shoes.


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Ruthy your self testing will help to see how far this progresses.. keep track of it.. for your doctor..

I am with looking at all your sups from a mixed point of view.. keep being aware that what was good one year may not be needed the next..

I am still betting on diabetes,, at least that would be a decent label 5 years from now-hopefully 15 .. and fixable with even more vigilance.. like entering in swami that you might be diabetic.. see what changes..

I still think/hope/ assume that the TC might have helped as well.  Not as a sugar substitute, but as a medicine I trust.. 2 spoons a day.

The last thing, , big maybe .. use some apple cider vinegar in a rubdown on wet skin affected.. it would change the Ph for a few moments.. follow your own intuition..

I am mostly concerned on the severity and suddenness.  have you done a Iodine patch at all lately?

Do you think there might be a way for you to drop 10 -20 pounds.. I will help if help would helpful.

For the neuropathy, I can help with my equipment.. call me..    


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I think my SWAMI is already set for diabetes, because I had GD when pregnant with my son. Andrea said that this meant I'm prone to diabetes and ticked "yes" on the "personal history of diabetes" box.

I am slimming down a bit- I'm nearly back to the size I was last summer, before I gained back some weight this winter. Yesterday, when I got dressed, I noticed that my bra was too big. I went to the back of my drawer and took out one of the ones that's a cup size smaller, and it fit! Not perfectly, but it fit better than the one I'd been wearing.


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I think my SWAMI is already set for diabetes, because I had GD when pregnant with my son. Andrea said that this meant I'm prone to diabetes and ticked "yes" on the "personal history of diabetes" box.

I am slimming down a bit- I'm nearly back to the size I was last summer, before I gained back some weight this winter. Yesterday, when I got dressed, I noticed that my bra was too big. I went to the back of my drawer and took out one of the ones that's a cup size smaller, and it fit! Not perfectly, but it fit better than the one I'd been wearing.




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but it fit better than the one I'd been wearing.


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I want to re-post something Chloe posted on another thread, to keep all the information about the numbness together and to make it more searchable.

Quoted from Chloe
Wanted to share this with you Ruthie...seems rather bizarre, but nonetheless, copying and pasting from
this article.  And although they're speaking about an accumulation of magnesium from taking magnesium
taurate, I'm just wondering if your numbness is somehow related to your overall magnesium levels?  Just seems weird to me....because nobody speaks of an overdose of magnesium..unless of course, your minerals in general aren't in balance... Ever try Dr. D's maerle calcium? Clearcal?

See?  Low calcium can cause numbness/tingling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocalcaemia

Just brainstorming a bit...not sure
if I'm correct....but wouldn't want you to go through a bunch of neurological tests for nothing if the true
cause of your numb feet is something as simple as a magnesium overload.

Muscle Paralysis
"A rare side effect of excess magnesium in your system is muscle paralysis and trouble breathing, according to MayoClinic.com. Accumulation of magnesium in your system may collect in nerve fibers and prevent communication between your nerves and muscles. This is a serious side effect that may make it difficult for your diaphragm to expand and contract. If you notice any numbness or tingling, these may be early signs of a magnesium overdose. Seek medical help immediately to treat these symptoms".


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/313631-side-effects-of-magnesium-taurate/#ixzz22yJAFujf


This is something I'd never considered, that I was over-doing the magnesium. I'd been using the mag oil almost every morning plus taking an epsom salts bath almost every night- so applying magnesium topically 10-12 times a week, and not using any calcium supps at all. The last time I took a calcium supplement (a few months ago) I quickly got the feeling that I wasn't getting enough magnesium (muscle pain), even though my mag intake stayed the same. That was well before the nerve symptoms started, though.

I didn't use any magnesium yesterday or this morning, plus I took 1 teaspoon (1,000 mg) of coral calcium powder last night and another teaspoon this morning. This product is 100% pure coral calcium, no fillers or additives. I'm not sure how long ago I bought it, probably a couple of years ago, but I don't think mineral supplements "go bad" the way herbs or vitamins do.


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My husband had a numb place that developed toward the front of his calf about four inches in diameter. No feeling whatsoever for months. You could stick pins in it all day, and he would not feel a thing. Not even pressure. Turned out that he had a damaged nerve in his knee that caused it. Changed his routine and all was well again.


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More info, Ruthie

MedlinePlus says that low amounts of vitamin B12 can result in foot numbness. Vitamin B12 is a water-soluble vitamin and is very important for metabolism. Vitamin B12 helps with the production of red blood cells, which transfer energy to other cells and tissues in the body. A lack of vitamin B12 can cause red blood cells to slow down and not reach tissues or cells in adequate times, leading to weak feet. Also, abnormal levels of potassium, sodium and calcium in the body can lead to foot numbness, according to MedlinePlus.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/238270-home-remedies-for-foot-numbness/#ixzz235PegiPR

Numbness in hands and feet, nutritional deficiencies
http://suite101.com/article/numb-hands-and-feet-a114662


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According to a lot of folks, wearing the wrong shoes to walk/run is the worst sin a person could commit against their feet. Hasn't Ruthie taken up more walking for the last while?


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Spring - but I am sure I read earlier in this thread the comment that the shes were ok?

Btw Chloe - re B12 - a deficiency is connected to neuropathy
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Here's a complete rundown of the supplements I take, and have been taking for about the past year:

B-50 complex (I've been taking this for about a decade)
Methyl B-12
Rhodiola Rosea root (400 mg once per day)
Black currant seed oil (2 grams)
Vitamin D-3 10,000 iu per day
5-HTP (200 mg at night)
Melatonin (3g at night.)

Up until about 2 days ago, I was using magnesium oil all over my  body (except feet, neck and face, and arms below the elbows) once a day, plus taking an epsom salts bath once a day. I was not using any calcium supplements whatsoever. Two days ago, when  Chloe suggested magnesium overdose may be part of the problem, I stopped all mag supplements and started taking a calcium supplement I found in my bathroom cabinet. It's NOW brand coral calcium powder. 1 teaspoon is 3 grams of coral calcium, and contains 1 gram (1000 mg) of calcium. I've been taking 1 teaspoon per day.

None of the supplements contain any questionable additives. I'm being as close to perfect on my SWAMI as possible, not even eating many neutrals.

I was not so good during July, when I found myself eating more dairy than I should have, some "avoid" dairy, along with things like turkey hot dogs and turkey bologna which contain "avoid" additives.

I don't think my footwear is the problem. The podiatrist was impressed with my choice of sandals. Nor am I convinced it's really a "foot" problem rather than a "nerve" problem, since the numbness travels all the way up my legs. Two different doctors examined my feet and determined it's not a circulation problem.


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I find this thread very interesting as similar symptoms are happening to me and have been for some time.  

My lack of feeling started in the middle two toes of my left foot.  It also happens over the top of the foot with tingling.  

I had read that it was connected with lack of calcium.....and it does lessen the symptoms with  me when I supplement, but has never gone away completely.   So I'm keen to follow your journey    
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There could be consequences of taking too many B vitamins. I know they always say to take it in
a balanced form....but how would you know your body requires 50 mg of each of the B vitamins
every single day?  If you're eating well, you should not be very deficient.  Think of all the B
vitamins found naturally in the foods you eat...beans, brown rice....and it doesn't seem like you
have an absorption issue.

Difficult to figure out which supplement might be the issue.  I think everyone who takes supplements
that aren't recommended by Dr. D and those that aren't formulated by Dr. D might consider that
the proportion of one nutrient to another might be different for each blood type and genotype.
Remember SWAMI has compiled these foods by nutrient value as well as for other factors.
I noticed some of my NAP formulas contain one B without some others.

Just wondering if one of the B vitamins is having a neurotoxic effect on you....even you needed
to take it a year ago.  Even the health protocols have a short window of taking the same supplement every day.

I've had issues when taking B6 in too high a dose...It will cause neurological issues.

http://suite101.com/article/vitamin-dangers--overdose-of-niacin-b6-b9-and-other-b-vitamins-a314895

Try stopping the Bs for a few days...and substitute with foods high in B....Nutritional yeast
maybe.  Your body could be so much healthier now than it was a year ago...and might not
require nutrients from pills....It might be getting all it needs from foods.

Make sure when you see the neurologist, he or she knows what supplements you're taking. I notice that
5 HTP and rhodiola are similar in action...might influence serotonin levels, might influence peripheral nerves by sedating parts of the nervous system that had been over-firing when causing fibro symptoms. I almost feel like you've controlled one issue and caused another...sedating the wrong nerves perhaps?  Just a thought...I don't know the chemistry of serotonin action but wonder if simple nutrients are acting like
drugs...and potentially a drug with a side effect....but it seems like these are two different supplements taken for the same purpose.. Brain chemicals might be unnaturally altered even though these two supplements might be making you feel  calmer and helping with fibro symptoms.  I feel for the same reason, magnesium
also had that effect. Relaxed muscles...So with two supplements calming nerves and one relaxing muscles,
maybe what should be firing to stimulate nerves and muscles is too sleepy to function.

It's a hit and miss guessing game for an amateur like me when it comes to unraveling whether you have a medical condition, an injury, a pinched nerve, a neurotoxin, a supplement imbalance or even overdose.  I hope you find a answer soon.  Something as invisible as numbness is really a difficult puzzle to solve.


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Up until about 2 days ago, I was using magnesium oil all over my  body (except feet, neck and face, and arms below the elbows) once a day, plus taking an epsom salts bath once a day. I was not using any calcium supplements whatsoever. Two days ago, when  Chloe suggested magnesium overdose may be part of the problem, I stopped all mag supplements and started taking a calcium supplement I found in my bathroom cabinet. It's NOW brand coral calcium powder. 1 teaspoon is 3 grams of coral calcium, and contains 1 gram (1000 mg) of calcium. I've been taking 1 teaspoon per day.


I don't like the idea of going from one extreme to the other.  Why not just lower your magnesium intake and continue with the calcium?  Part of how we get imbalanced on these two nutrients is one without the other.



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I don't like the idea of going from one extreme to the other.  Why not just lower your magnesium intake and continue with the calcium?  Part of how we get imbalanced on these two nutrients is one without the other.


Victoria do you agree or disagree with the statement made by the magnesium oil companies that you can't overdose on magnesium oil when you use it transdermally..I routinely take a break
from using it....just to sense if I'm deficient.  Lately, every other day seems to be enough.  It's
been many months since I'm using it daily.  My body might just have reached a saturation point.
Sometimes the oil doesn't even absorb...it just sits on my skin even if I try to rub it in.  It used
to soak right in to my skin very quickly.  


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Victoria do you agree or disagree with the statement made by the magnesium oil companies that you can't overdose on magnesium oil when you use it transdermally..I routinely take a break from using it....just to sense if I'm deficient.  Lately, every other day seems to be enough.  It's been many months since I'm using it daily.  My body might just have reached a saturation point.
Sometimes the oil doesn't even absorb...it just sits on my skin even if I try to rub it in.  It used to soak right in to my skin very quickly.

Chloe,
I haven't specifically read any studies on transdermal magnesium, so I don't know if the skin would absorb too much magnesium if applied to too much skin surface at once like iodine in the following instance:
I have heard of iodine poisoning from a massive amount applied to the skin surface at one time - specifically, a tank rupturing and a plant worker caught in the iodine stream.  Small patches properly monitored should not be a problem, however.


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Chloe,
I haven't specifically read any studies on transdermal magnesium, so I don't know if the skin would absorb too much magnesium if applied to too much skin surface at once like iodine in the following instance:
I have heard of iodine poisoning from a massive amount applied to the skin surface at one time - specifically, a tank rupturing and a plant worker caught in the iodine stream.  Small patches properly monitored should not be a problem, however.


Here's how transdermal magnesium is used.  Either you pour some into your bathwater and soak in
it much like an Epsom salt bath...or you take this spray bottle and pump out 40 sprays and
cover your whole body with the "oil"...so in all reality if you cover your arms and legs, torso
and back, you're pretty well saturated with a concentrated natural sea water form of magnesium.

At first, the spray completely disappeared into my skin....My body sucked it up like a sponge...
but recently, it's not absorbing....so I deducted that when the body has had enough, it won't
absorb more than it can utilize.  But this is in theory.

I'm not sure anyone ever did testing to measure magnesium levels in the blood or tissues after a continuous protocol of using a transdermal method like this.  The purpose of this delivery method is the notion that most people are severely deficient in magnesium...and take in way more calcium that can be absorbed by bone.  And calcium often deposits in soft tissue causing
a lot of problems.  Magnesium is an antagonist to calcium. Whether people get calcium
deposits is a because of a deficiency of vitamin K or whether it's due to low
magnesium.  

The premise of books written on transdermal magnesium is that you might get rid of calcium deposits in the body which can cause problems by using magnesium oil because supposedly it's more readily absorbed than anything you can ingest orally. IT's sodium chloride. In order to absorb as much magnesium as the transdermal provides which for 40 sprays is 400 mg per day.... a person might wind up with diarrhea from taking large oral doses.

So still not sure....not sure if what you're saying about iodine is the same as this...I know
iodine isn't necessary in our bodies in huge quantities and it doesn't take much to reach a toxic
level...but transdermal magnesium comes from sea water...and if we bathed all day in the sea
might be getting our magnesium exactly in this transdermal way.

As for how this relates to Ruthie's numb feet, I'm kind of agreeing with Victoria....You wouldn't
want to take only calcium and no magnesium.  Probably good advice was what she said....
lower magnesium intake, add a bit of calcium and try to find balance.  This is why I love
Dr. D's Clear Cal..Maerle comes from a natural sea bed too.  



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Ruth...maybe you should start thinking a little harder about treating yourself for Lyme disease.  I cannot say enough good stuff about the Cowden protocol.  It has reversed most of the nerve damage in my legs and arms.  My left hand still tingles, and has since my ER trip two years ago.  But even that is less than it has been.


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I plan to bring along every single supplement I take when I go the  the neurologist. I've even been saving my empty bottles instead of recycling them, so I don't need to take FULL bottles with me to the doctor. I definitely plan to ask the doctor about both Lyme disease, mercury toxicity, and diabetes.

Clearly, something is out of whack, and I want to solve the underlying problem, not mask symptoms. Besides, I don't think there is a way to mask this kind of symptom. From what I've read online, they offer drugs to treat nerve pain, but there isn't anything they can do for numbness other than treat the root cause.

Chloe- rhodiola increases dopamine while 5-HTP increases seratonin. They both can help with symptoms of depression, but they work in different ways.

After several days of calcium/no mag, I still have the numbness. It's hard to tell if it's getting better or staying around the same, but I can tell it's not getting worse. Today I have sore, aching muscles (the kind of thing that would make me want to use more magnesium in the past) but that could  be from yesterday's activities; I went to visit my son at camp, which involved 2.5 hour drive there, lots of walking around, lunch I didn't prepare myself, and a 3 hour drive home. I made the best choices I could with the food (raw veggies, tuna and egg salad, beet salad) but I don't know what kind of mayo they used, what additives might have been in the tuna, and there may have been sugar and/or corn syrup in the beets. Today I'm feeling "hung over."

I don't have the energy for a bath or a shower this morning, but I think I'll use some magnesium tonight.


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Victoria do you agree or disagree with the statement made by the magnesium oil companies that you can't overdose on magnesium oil when you use it transdermally..I routinely take a break
from using it....just to sense if I'm deficient.  Lately, every other day seems to be enough.  It's
been many months since I'm using it daily.  My body might just have reached a saturation point.
Sometimes the oil doesn't even absorb...it just sits on my skin even if I try to rub it in.  It used
to soak right in to my skin very quickly.  

Chloe, I haven't studied transdermal magnesium in depth.  I have some in the house that I will use very occasionally if I'm dealing with tight muscles or cramping (apply directly on area); If stress is causing palpitations, I spray on my chest;  
Otherwise my magnesium source is a blend that I take in capsule form.  I seem to have formed a balance that my body is happy with.

In general, I avoid extremes of all kinds.  In thinking about cal/mag, I look to the ratios that Dr. D has used in his mineral formulas for each blood type. Some, according to him, need higher amounts of calcium; others need higher amounts of magnesium.  No blood types have one without the other.  And if I was putting together my own regime at home, I would work with all the co minerals that he has used for the benefit of each specific type, along with the cal/mag.

for each 2 capsules -
Type O's and type A's have 333.3 mg cal to 66.6 mg mag
Type B's have 250 mg cal to 125 mg mag
Type AB's have 333.3 mg cal to 100 mg mag

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Ruth...maybe you should start thinking a little harder about treating yourself for Lyme disease.  I cannot say enough good stuff about the Cowden protocol.  It has reversed most of the nerve damage in my legs and arms.  My left hand still tingles, and has since my ER trip two years ago.  But even that is less than it has been.


Have you read this?

http://cassia.org/essay.htm



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Chloe: I know they always say to take it in a balanced form....but how would you know your body requires 50 mg of each of the B vitaminsevery single day?

I would never take this much of certain B vitamins every day unless it was a therapeutic dose for a short period of time. I buy a B complex that is much lower than 50 mgs. and supplement the B's that I know I need more. I have never yet seen any company that seems to know how to formulate what I need into one or more caps/tabs. I have been chopping tablets for over twenty-five years, and it can get really, really old! I have read that some companies tend to put more of the cheapo's,  whether we need them or not, and less of the more expensive! True? I don't know, but I wonder......


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Spring - but I am sure I read earlier in this thread the comment that the shes were ok?

Well, since the problem seems to have recently started, and if I had started doing more walking, it would be something that I would be interested in looking into. However, it sounds as if she is getting progressively worse, so I would assume that she is not walking now, and that the shoe problem would be moot.

We can get into a horrible fix taking B-vitamins that are out of balance for us as individuals. DPN recommends taking B-12 APART from other B-vitamins, but I simply don't do well with that for some reason. I have mentioned this before. Some people need more B-6, etc..


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I would never take this much of certain B vitamins every day unless it was a therapeutic dose for a short period of time. I buy a B complex that is much lower than 50 mgs. and supplement the B's that I know I need more. I have never yet seen any company that seems to know how to formulate what I need into one or more caps/tabs. I have been chopping tablets for over twenty-five years, and it can get really, really old! I have read that some companies tend to put more of the cheapo's,  whether we need them or not, and less of the more expensive! True? I don't know, but I wonder......


I noticed in the multi from DPN which is the multi good for all types and called Exakta, there are miniscule amounts of B vitamins.  If a person took two pills of Exakta per day, which is
what is suggested on the bottle, they would get a total of 3.75 mg of thiamine, 5 mg of riboflavin, 2.5 mg of niacin, 5 mg of B6, 7.5 mg of B12, 200 mcg of biotin, 5 mg of pantothenic acid and even if taking 2 pills twice a day, it's way under the 50 mg of all Bs found in most formulas.



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I noticed in the multi from DPN which is the multi good for all types and called Exakta, there are miniscule amounts of B vitamins.  If a person took two pills of Exakta per day, which is
what is suggested on the bottle, they would get a total of 3.75 mg of thiamine, 5 mg of riboflavin, 2.5 mg of niacin, 5 mg of B6, 7.5 mg of B12, 200 mcg of biotin, 5 mg of pantothenic acid and even if taking 2 pills twice a day, it's way under the 50 mg of all Bs found in most formulas.

Yes, I have noticed that too, but Dr. D. does recommend more of some of them for certain conditions. But I haven't noticed where he did that for ordinary use. I take more pantethine and B-6, and, of course, more B-12. I take 300 mcgs. of biotin. But this might not be what someone else needs at all. Plenty of people I know never take any B vitamins! But considering the fact that they are so easily destroyed, I would be afraid not to take some, at least.

There are some multi's out there that have much less than 50 mgs. almost across the board. Puritan has one that they have been making for years.


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I would like to re-iterate Goldie's suggestion of Trehalose Complex, not for sugar problems, but for neurodegenerative problems, as said in Dr. D's description of the TC.

I've been suffering a severe numbness in my left thigh for 2 and a half years, since I was repeatedly given Clexane shots into my thigh during hospitalization after surgery - they couldn't give it into the belly, so they gave it into the thighs instead. My left foot had already suffered a nerve injury 12 years ago as a result of maltreatment of comminuted fracture of the tibia (the fibula was broken too).

I've been taking Trehalose Complex for longer than 2 months now, and it seems there's some good influence also on my left thigh - hope this continues and gets better. I still take only half a teaspoon in the morning - a larger dose still makes me feel not so good.


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Casein Intolerance
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Now, paleo opponents of dairy say casein wreaks similar havoc on our guts, and it’s true that gluten intolerance goes hand-in-hand with casein intolerance. But is casein a primary cause of leaky gut, or does it slip in only after gluten has opened the floodgates? Once a floodgate is opened, any protein can enter and cause issues. And after all, casein is the primary protein in human breast milk…
Well, I understand that they conjecture that the casein damage is secondary to the gluten damage to the guts.

{This is before I make a move to totally remove my Swami diamond (sheep & goat milk) pecorino & feta from my diet    }





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Anything I do that strains my back in certain ways has a tendency to affect my feet very strangely, including transient numbness.


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OK, since we're 4 pages in and information is spread out over the whole thread, I want to sum up a few things.

I've had numbness in my feet that started about 6 weeks ago. Within 2 weeks of it starting, it was spreading up my entire legs, though not as intense as in certain spots on my feet. I've been following my SWAMI diet for about 2 years, with very few "cheats." I've been especially careful with my sugar consumption; no refined sugar whatsoever, and my compliant sugars and fruits have been in very small quantities that line up with SWAMI recommendations.

I've also been extremely tired and "brain fogged" since before the numbness started. I'm feeling mentally and physically drained. It's been difficult for me to keep up with the housework and doing stuff for/with my kids. Anything that requires thinking (such as helping DD1 figure out which colleges might be good for her) are nearly impossible for me to do. I do not know whether or not it's related to the numbness.

I do not know why these symptoms started when I was already being careful with my diet. Every supplement I take has been carefully investigated; I don't have extra money to buy supplements I may not need.

5-HTP at night keeps my depression under control. Melatonin helps me sleep (if I don't take it, I simply can't fall asleep.) I started taking B-50 complex about 8 years ago, for suspected adrenal burnout. I'm not comfortable stopping that, not when I'm still under a lot of stress. I added the rhodiola a couple of years ago, thinking it would help with depression (it's an ingredient in Dr D's stress formula). It didn't do enough so I started the 5-HTP as well.

I'm not cutting back on vitamin D because of lab results; when I was taking 5,000 iu per day I had very low levels. At 10,000 iu per day, they're at a healthy level.

The black currant seed oil has been keeping PMS symptoms under control.

I'm also using topical magnesium; a combination of magnesium oil sprayed onto my skin and taking epsom salts baths. I recently tried an experiment of stopping the mag and introducing calcium to see if too much mag/not enough Ca was the problem, but it didn't solve the numbness and it led to muscle pain. I'm back to my old routine of using supplemental magnesium and not taking calcium.

SWAMI gives me two portions of grains per day, at 1/2 cup each. I've been having that once a day, generally with dinner. Somebody recently suggested that I stop the grains. I don't know if that would help or not. The only grains I've been consuming are brown rice (neutral), quinoa (beneficial) and rice cakes (beneficial.)

I'm eating more vegetables than SWAMI recommends; about 6+ cups a day when I'm "supposed to have" 5 cups. I'm allowed 1 serving of fruit per day (half cup) but I can't seem to figure out when to eat fruit that doesn't mess up my blood sugar and appetite, so I don't eat fruit. I do have about 2 ounces of juice per day (grapefruit and/or pineapple) in green tea in the mornings. These are genoharmonic combinations.

I had been consuming lots of nutritional yeast (a diamond) for the b vitamins, but stopped when the numbness started, out of concern that the natural glutamates may be part of the problem.

Clearly, something is wrong, or I wouldn't be having any new, scary symptoms. But I don't know what the problem is specifically, and I really don't see how I could be any more compliant than I already am.


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Ruthie, something you are taking might have gone haywire, even though it should be all right. For instance, I was taking Chamomile to help me sleep for a while. Suddenly, I started having a dull ache in my stomach when I went to bed and could not go to sleep. Since I have had severe acid reflux problems in years past, I started blaming the pain on that. Finally, I started eliminating everything I thought might be a problem. It came down to the Chamomile. I left it off and the pain went away. I tried two or three times to take it again but got the same pain.

I just looked and Chamomile is a neutral for me now - so it figures that it was dropped a notch for me.

One thing for sure, it is an awful time for you to be trying to figure this all out and suffering through it at the same time!


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I didn't realize you had brain fog along with numbness....that is clearly a Lyme Disease sx...but
also could be Epstein Barr Virus....CFS/fibro  http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Post+Viral+Fatigue+Syndrome

THere is a small percentage of people with neurological problems who have EBV....

Do you sometimes feel exhausted, like you have the flu?  Achy?  Night sweats ever?

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/epstein-barr_virus_infection/article_em.htm

Make sure to read all the pages...

We all carry the virus because most everyone has been exposed to it and developed antibodies but it's possible to have  a reactivation when under stress.

Another connection would be that this is an enterovirus which can be trigger by a weakened immune system.

I'm thinking if all else fails, an infectious disease specialist might be able to help.  If you didn't injure yourself and suddenly got numb feet, it's possible you've been walking around fighting a virus....which might take
weeks or months to resolve itself.

Listed here are common symptoms of persistent non-polio enteroviral infection. This list is from observations made by Dr. John Chia in his Infectious Disease Medical Practice in Torrence, CA.

Respiratory and/or gastrointestinal symptoms or just flu-like symptoms (fevers, body ache, headache etc.). Few virus infections present with both respiratory and GI symptoms.
Upper respiratory tract symptoms such as runny and stuffy nose, sinus congestion and pain, sore throat, ear pain, difficulty in swallowing, loss of smell or taste.
Upper and lower gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea, indigestion, reflux, abdominal bloating, upper and lower abdominal pain, cramps, constipation alternating with diarrhea.
Sudden weight loss due to significant stomach problem or decreased caloric intake, or weight gain due to inactivity.
Numbness in the limbs, muscle twitching and spasms. Some experience facial tingling and numbness.
Many types of headaches.
Bone, muscle, and/or joint pain. Foot pain is quite common.
Chest pain, palpitations and tightness
Cough, shortness of breath, wheezing
Low blood pressure
Heart arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) or tachycardia (rapid heartbeat)
Intermittent low grade fever, chills and night sweats.
Reproductive irregularities and pain.
Prostate issues and pelvic pain.
Blurred vision.
Herpangina (blisters or ulcers over the roof of the mouth). Ulcers may form in the mouth, throat and for females the vaginal/cervix area.
Recurring yeast or bacterial infections due to a weak immune system.
Adrenal surge or dysfunction. High cortisol levels or low cortisol levels.
Psychological problems, anxiety, or depression.
Mental fatigue when trying to concentrate on tasks. Cognitive issues are very common as are short-term memory problems.
Sleep disturbance.
Seizures are rare but do occur.
Vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Many become anemic.
Swollen Lymph nodes in the neck and in the armpits
Rash
Organs that can be affected by enteroviruses: heart, pancreas, lungs, liver, spleen, colon, ovaries, testicles, epididymis, thyroid, muscles, skin and the central nervous system.
Enteroviral infections can trigger dormant viruses to reactivate, such as HHV6, Epstein Barr Virus, CMV, and chickenpox– all herpes viruses.
Children can show symptoms, but parents may not recognize them especially if they are intermittent.
Children can have many of the same adult symptoms – a flu-like illness, fever, mouth ulcers, abdominal pain, loss of appetite, a rash, headaches, leg pain and weakness, muscle twitching, reflux, cognitive dysfunction and perhaps heart pain and arrhythmias. A diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis in children is possible after three months of illness.
An enteroviral infection should be suspected if the same symptoms recur every month.


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Do I sometimes feel exhausted? It might be more accurate to say that sometimes I don't feel exhausted. I'm not sure what it feels like to have the flu, as I don't seem to get acute infections very often. I don't get night sweats, but I do like to keep the room cold at night, or I can't fall asleep.

And the brain fog isn't a new symptom. I've had it for years; it just varies in intensity. But it's been bad the last few months.


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I don't normally get fevers. I can think of exactly one time I've gotten a fever in the past several years; it was a few days after my father died. I'm not having any more body aches than is normal for me with fibromyalgia; if anything, I've been in less body pain the past few weeks. My neck and shoulder pain isn't as bad as it used to be.

I really don't fit the symptoms of EBV, except for the numbness, fatigue, and brain fog. The fatigue and brain fog could be from so many other causes.


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If possible, maybe call them for the appointment with the neurologist - they may have cancellations and give you an earlier date.


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We have a middle-aged friend who had EBV several years ago, and he was like walking death he was so miserable. A really strong, smart person, and he was just stricken down right out of the blue. He has been doing fine, though, for a long time now. He went on some kind of diet, but, sorry to say, I cannot remember a thing about it except it seems like it was somewhat similar to a Candida diet.


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Hi Ruthie, I would like to encourage you to do a search on the symptoms of P5P deficiency. P5P is the active form of B6. If your B complex does not have the active form you might be accumulating the inactive form because the liver isn't converting it to P5P.  When that happens it can cause numbness in your arms and legs. It's reversible when you take P5P.

The following site mentions the numbness from lack of P5P.
http://www.europharmausa.com/DBFiles/Greensheet/138.pdf

I use P5P daily. It is needed to process glutamates which are high in foods such as nutritional yeast, nuts, broths and dairy to name a few.

Hope you are feeling better soon!

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Ok, so today was the long-awaited neurologist appointment.  He couldn't find anything wrong with me, so he didn't diagnose anything or order any more testing. He also had a rather dismissive attitude towards Fibromyalgia, mumbling something about it being "what you diagnose when you can't find anything wrong" and blamed the new symptoms on the FMS.

He was polite, and seemed to like the fact that I'm not on any pharmaceuticals. His advice to me was to exercise outside for 10 minutes  a day and to lose 1 pound a week. (Yes, it would be nice if more doctors gave out advice like this and prescribed fewer drugs, but I'm no closer to figuring out what's going on in my body.)Unlike both the podiatrist and the "PCP who wasn't my usual PCP", he said I did not have a neurological problem.

So, where do I go from here? The numbness has always been better mid-morning when I'm well fed and well rested, and worse when I'm tired or stressed. Just because it wasn't bad "while I was in the dr's office" is not necessarily an indication that the problem is going away.

Do I say "OK, I've ruled out any serious underlying medical issues" and forget about it? Do I see my PCP again and demand that she re-do all my lab tests from last March? I don't have the means to see any of Dr D's associates (I'm literally borrowing money for groceries this week.)


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You might try switching your bed for a night or two.  Sleep on the floor.  No, really.

After years of no back issues (and training horses most of my life), I was having those symptoms and more.  I realized it was caused by my bed being too soft.  I slept a few nights on the floor and it all disappeared.  Then I bought a new - VERY HARD - bed.  No more problems.  Then I moved.  I noticed that I'm having some of the symptoms again.  I go a hard bed here, but maybe not hard enough.  I'm going to rotate the mattress tonight and see if it gets any better.


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Ruthie, I never realized your numbness was less mid morning....after being well rested and fed.

So there is obviously is something about rest/sleep that helps....  Getting your feet off the floor...
spending the night in a prone position.  

I'm starting to think that when you sleep you get pressure off a disc when you lie down and maybe the reason why you wake up without the extreme numbness....An impinged nerve perhaps.  This sounds like a chiropractor might have a better explanation....Have you had an MRI?

If this were me, I'd ask for an MRI....just to rule out anything regarding a pinched nerve. And if
nobody has suggested an MRI at all, then there is nothing to rule out....Your diagnosis or rather
no specific diagnosis is based on this neuro having no real facts...

I also think if you sit a lot you're compressing your spine. Standing/walking/moving might help.

This is another point of view by a hematologist
http://www.arthritistoday.org/community/expert-q--a/fibromyalgia/fibromyalgia-numb-feet.php






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I often wake up with the feet fairly numb, but by the time I've showered, eaten breakfast, driven 15 minutes to the clinic (with the radio blaring and the temperature comfortable- total "me time") and walked from the parking lot to the office, then walked around the clinic to the area where the doctor is, the numbness is at its minimum. When I saw the PCP, it was afternoon but the numbness still wasn't all that bad. But the numbness spread during the X-rays, when I was sitting/lying in a rather awkward position.

The neurologist found "nothing wrong" and refused to order any additional testing- no MRI, no nerve conductivity test, no repetition of any blood work. So, do I take this at face value, or do I see the PCP again and demand more testing?

Things were definitely much worse a month ago when I first made the appointment. Since that time, I made a few changes to my diet and increased my exercise. Since it's getting better, maybe I should just stop worrying and trust that it's just some random symptom of detox?

Also, do I continue the few dietary changes I made?

1) For a while (right before the numbness started) I was drinking 2oz of red wine every night. Prior to that, I was having 2-3 ounces of red wine once per week. The red wine was good for my digestion, but I suspect it may have exacerbated the numbness. So I stopped drinking wine nightly, but continued to have red wine on Shabbos when there was nobody else to make Kiddish (blessing over wine) for me. I have no problem with only drinking wine on Shabbos and holidays and NOT resuming the nightly wine drinking.

2) I switched to a sulfate-free wine. It's more expensive and doesn't taste as good. Are the sulfates all that toxic in such small amounts?

3) I cut out nutritional yeast from my diet, even though SWAMI has it as a diamond. I don't want to omit this delicious, nutrient-dense food from my diet unless I truly have to.


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The neurologist found "nothing wrong" and refused to order any additional testing- no MRI, no nerve conductivity test, no repetition of any blood work. So, do I take this at face value, or do I see the PCP again and demand more testing?

Things were definitely much worse a month ago when I first made the appointment. Since that time, I made a few changes to my diet and increased my exercise. Since it's getting better, maybe I should just stop worrying and trust that it's just some random symptom of detox?

Also, do I continue the few dietary changes I made?

1) For a while (right before the numbness started) I was drinking 2oz of red wine every night. Prior to that, I was having 2-3 ounces of red wine once per week. The red wine was good for my digestion, but I suspect it may have exacerbated the numbness. So I stopped drinking wine nightly, but continued to have red wine on Shabbos when there was nobody else to make Kiddish (blessing over wine) for me. I have no problem with only drinking wine on Shabbos and holidays and NOT resuming the nightly wine drinking.

2) I switched to a sulfate-free wine. It's more expensive and doesn't taste as good. Are the sulfates all that toxic in such small amounts?

3) I cut out nutritional yeast from my diet, even though SWAMI has it as a diamond. I don't want to omit this delicious, nutrient-dense food from my diet unless I truly have to.

It sounds like the neurologist just ruled our a big issue.  Kind of like when the dentist told me that he could find nothing wrong with my TMJ to justify the clicking/popping in it.  Basically, it is a clue to look elsewhere, although the immediate direction may be unclear.

If it were me, I would continue the dietary and exercise changes you have made.  It doesn't cost anything and it may be enough of an answer to see marked improvement over time.

You ask if the small amount of sulfates can have that large an effect.  I say, "Yes, they can."  I am still surprised at how much just the energy of corn syrup bothers me.  I get a headache from touching a jelly filled doughnut through a napkin.


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But I've been  buying sulphite-containing grape juice and wine for years, and having anywhere from one sip to half a  glass once or twice a week. I avoid all other sulphites, but it's really hard to find kosher grape juice/wine without it, and we use grape juice for Shabbos and holidays.

I'm still perplexed as to how something that's been in my diet for years could suddenly be causing problems.


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It might not hurt to try the P5P that Karen suggested in her post above.  That was an interesting article that was attached.  I have a little carpal tunnel in my right wrist and I may try it.
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
But I've been  buying sulphite-containing grape juice and wine for years, and having anywhere from one sip to half a  glass once or twice a week. I avoid all other sulphites, but it's really hard to find kosher grape juice/wine without it, and we use grape juice for Shabbos and holidays.

I'm still perplexed as to how something that's been in my diet for years could suddenly be causing problems
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Perhaps it's called - turning 40 Perimenopause can add all sorts of complications to "things we have been doing for years"

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I'm still perplexed as to how something that's been in my diet for years could suddenly be causing problems.

Is it suddenly causing problems, or has it been causing some problem for a long time, but built up the amount to a point where it is now causing this problem?  I ask this somewhat rhetorically, as I don't know the answer, and doubt whether you do either, but it is something to think about.


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I was eating corn for decades and would have sworn that it never bothered me until I started on the BTD. After I left it off, it was so very obvious that it was causing me plenty of problems if I ate any of it whatsoever. Same exact thing with yogurt. Even the tiny bit of alcohol in the Bach remedies bothers me. The inside of my lips will get a lumpy rash if I use the spray. It hasn't stopped me from using it occasionally because sleep is more important to me than a rash. Drops in water don't bother me as much. Just thought I would mention these things.....


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Similar story here Spring... My husband used to eat a banana every day with no problems until he stopped & now he can't tolerate them   
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If it's not sciatica, disk problems, diabetes, b12 deficiency, lyme disease, or something you are eating, it could be how you are sleeping at night.  I get tingling in my legs and feet and I finally noticed that when I wake up I sometimes have red pressure points around my knees or ankles and sometimes my hands and arms.  I may be laying there like a dead weight and not shifting position while I sleep and putting too much pressure on a nerve for hours. I know people sleep with a pillow between their knees to help with back pain and it might also keep one from putting too much pressure on nerves or cutting off circulation while sleeping.  Just a thought.
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I've been sleeping with a pillow between my legs for years, and I'm constantly rolling over and  shifting positions while I sleep. Hmm... maybe the pillow has gotten too flat to be useful and I should swap it out with a fluffier pillow?


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Ruthie,
How old is your mattress?  Maybe you need a new one.  I used to wake up with lower back pain until I bought a new mattress.  The numbness and tingling in my wrist was also from bending it back when I slept.  Now I wear a carpal tunnel brace on it when I sleep.
I once had an orthopedic surgeon tell me that anyone over 35 who had ever played sports probably had some kind of disc issue and as we age and shrink the spaces get smaller and start to bother you more impinging on different nerves.  Chiropractic helps more than meds....
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If I stand too long, put too much strain on my lower back, or any number of other things, my legs tingle, my feet go into crazy cramps, etc., etc.. My feet are tingling this AM because I stood for hours yesterday working in the yard. No cramps yet, though. If I don't overdo things I have no problems.


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My mattress is over 10 years old and there is NO money in the budget to replace it right now. That could certainly be a contributing factor.


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AIS achieves remarkable results by pumping the lymph and blood throughout the tissues.  Venous (blood) and lymphatic (immune) systems require active muscle contraction to do their job.  If there is no activity in the muscle, fluid will build up and the tissue will become stagnant.  You’ll notice this if you get up after sitting for a long time and your body feels stiff.  With AIS every stretch acts to create a vascular (circulatory) flush, which pushes the fluid (blood, lymph etc.) out of the area being stretched.  Then when the stretch is released shortly thereafter, the muscle relaxes and the fluid (blood, lymph etc.) rushes back in, delivering fresh blood and oxygen to reinvigorate and repair the tissues in the area.  

Your nervous system also benefits from reduced tension and reeducation via repeated stretching through exact planes of motion.  AIS often creates instant changes in the joints and soft tissues.  It also acts as an entry-level exercise program, increasing joint stability, allowing for deeper relaxation of the tissues, and resetting joint awareness.


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I've been sleeping with a pillow between my legs for years, and I'm constantly rolling over and  shifting positions while I sleep. Hmm... maybe the pillow has gotten too flat to be useful and I should swap it out with a fluffier pillow?


Ruth I found the fluffy ones just crash, so I use two hard flat ones in a single king size pillow case.


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My mattress is over 10 years old and there is NO money in the budget to replace it right now. That could certainly be a contributing factor.


Do you have a sheet of plywood under it? If not that might help.


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Ruth, have you seen a chiropractor about this?  And there are numerous different kinds of chiropractors now.  Not all are like the yank and crack variety that we used to have to see in years past.



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Just wondering if it comes and goes.  I've had something like this but mostly in Large Toes and toe next to it and same on hands.  I was at the Doctors and she had someone who works with Reiki and joints sitting in who tested a few ideas out on me and showed me that some joints shoulder/hip are a little loose and curving in which then pulls on something causing the numbness.  She showed me some exercises to do but it still comes back, but I think she is right.  I need to check in with her again.
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I haven't been to a chiropractor in over a year, possibly closer to two. The one I used to see regularly stopped her local practice, and I never did get around to calling up the chiro she recommended to take her place. There just hasn't been ANY spare money, and I don't know if a new chiro would work out the kind of financial deal the old one did (first she didn't raise the cost of the "family wellness plan" for us when she raised it for the rest of her clients, then, when I couldn't even swing that, she'd adjust all 4 of us for the price of one adjustment.)

I've had a lot of pain in my lower back/pelvis the whole time I've had the numbness in my legs- in fact, the back pain was there first. If this is caused by a compressed nerve, I'm sure it's in my pelvis.

I'll definitely take a much closer look at those exercises PC posted, but I really don't have time for it today. I did look at the first video and did about 2 minutes worth, but I have a ton of things to do today and can't do the whole thing right now. I won't have time to really start that until after Rosh Hashonna- so next Wed.


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I haven't been to a chiropractor in over a year, possibly closer to two. The one I used to see regularly stopped her local practice, and I never did get around to calling up the chiro she recommended to take her place. There just hasn't been ANY spare money, and I don't know if a new chiro would work out the kind of financial deal the old one did (first she didn't raise the cost of the "family wellness plan" for us when she raised it for the rest of her clients, then, when I couldn't even swing that, she'd adjust all 4 of us for the price of one adjustment.)

I've had a lot of pain in my lower back/pelvis the whole time I've had the numbness in my legs- in fact, the back pain was there first. If this is caused by a compressed nerve, I'm sure it's in my pelvis.



Your old chiropractor sounded like a treasure - how great that she treated you and your family so well!!  This is sounding more and more like this is subluxation or something similar.

I'm remember some old discussions we've had about the Egoscue Method of spinal care.  I believe Balletome knows a lot about it.  A couple of other folks on the forum, too, but I don't recall names.  I once checked out one of the books at my local library - very much worth the time to at least scan over the exercises and try to do a few regularly.  No need to read the entire books.



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A friend just loves the Egoscue(ot however you spell it) method. Maybe you can get the book from the library.
Happy Holidays! I hope you can enjoy those yummy compliant foods you described somewhere & stay off the wrong things.


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