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Don
Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 6:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I was wondering if a Copper deficiency could cause hyperthyroidism.

From what I have read, Yes. http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm


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I've also heard that smoking depletes copper,  I smoke for 5 years in my teens.  
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Well I'll try eating more copper rich foods for a while and let's see if that helps.  Thanks for the link and the advice, I'm very greatful.
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From the link I posted above:
Quoted from Copper and Hyperthyroidism - Tobacco smoking
http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm
... the cadmium in tobacco smoke is a copper antagonist.  This results in low copper levels, and when combined with a high-zinc, meat-based diet, results in higher thyroid output, a higher rate of metabolism, and staying thinner. ...


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Seeing as how I am not on medication anymore, I really need one of those nifty little books titled "Thyroid Disease: Fight It with the Blood Type Diet".  Wouldn't everyone else like that, too? .


Yes, we would. Hows about one for candida too?  



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MoDon, I looked at the web site you quoted, started reading and hours later came up for air!     Thanks!
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http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2384.htm

if I'm reading this correctly, it looks like large amounts of Vit E interfere w/ thyroid function. I was looking into Vit E toxicity because my E is way up and I eat alot of almond butter and drink alot of almond milk. interesting, this info connecting to thyroid.




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I lost my thyroid function almost completely to acute thyroiditis, and over time tried hard to reduce my thyroid meds.  I went too far, and that was not smart.  Sometimes one's romantic ideas that "there must be a natural solution" (good in themselves since they encourage us to question and challenge) just don't fit the particular case.  Thyroid sets metabolism, not just fatigue and fat issues.  So among the fun things that can arise are low stomach acid (even for an O), digestive disorders, candida that is very persistent--as well as the other things you noted.  Excess bruising too, I believe.  Thyroids work better in the summer (not known yet why), but as the fall approached, I thought I needed to increase the dosage.  Bought a new thermometer and tried the underarm approach.  Too many 95.3 days, and I am now (with approval of my M.D.) upping the dosage a tad.  I expect I will cut back next summer.  The point of the story is that this can be a moving target, and take your own symptoms seriously.  (As we all know, too much of the stuff is not good either for the bones.)  Keep checking.  I use levoxyl for synthroid, and it seems to work fine.  
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I had a physical a few weeks ago and my PCP did regular bloodwork.  She didn't do a full thyroid panel but did do a TSH.  I was surprised to see that my TSH was a little higher than normal for me (which is unually almost undetectable on purpose because I had had thyroid cancer).  It was 1.34 and we like it below the .3.  I called my endocrinologist and he upped my levothroid a little.  We had already increased it slightly for the winter but I guess it wasn't enough.  
Other than that the bloodwork was pretty good....good cholesterol was 75!  Total was 212.  I haven't been exercising like I should be.  I got out of the habit when my dad was in the hospital and after he died there seemed to be something I had to do every single evening.  Ski season is fast approaching and I need to get busy.
I have an appointment with the endo in about a month and it will be interesting to see if the extra meds have got things back where they should be.
Jane
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Had my appointment with the endo yesterday.  I didn't have new bloodwork done and I told him that I've been feeling pretty good but know I've gained weight (I was surprised that it was only 3 pounds, feels like more) and that the carb cravings were really a problem.  He had some strategies to discuss and he's decided to up the percentage of compounded T3 that I'm getting.  He's of the belief that for some people, taking the thyroid meds on an empty stomach actually stimulates the carb cravings.  Interesting.  Other than getting on the scale, the whole appt. was just talking about different theories of what might work for me.  He's such a great guy.  Unfortunately he no longer takes insurance so I have to pay for the visit and I don't think I'll get reimbursed.  He's quite impressed with how so many of his current patients are so knowledgeable about nutrition and he's very open to listening....a rare bird.
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What an encouragement!
Lets' hope he can reduce his fee!!!!
But I think it is much better to go ahead & pay more & get a good dr. with understanding & good advice (who doesn't treat you like an idiot as so many do!).
Blessings on you!
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I'm so impressed and amazed at what info I find on this site.  I've discovered some things that may be of interest to someone.  I'm age 65, have been diagnosed with spinal osteoporosis and hypothyroidism with cholesterol number of 214.  I'm on Medicare and  have only a couple of choices of Dr's.  Since I'm Bs, calcium is easily assimilated and I honestly believe I have hyper-
parathyroidism because I've been encouraged to take extra calcium because of the density numbers the past 5 years.  This means having too much calcium in the blood causes the parathyroid glands to produce too much hormone which in turn pulls calcium from the bones.  The bone density scores in (199 were : Lumbar -1.69, spine -2.27, (2001): L -1.79, S -3.38, (2006): L -2.2 S. -3.8, which is not too far off for someone my age and ancestory.
I've been BTD compliant 95% for 10 years.  My Dr. tells me the reason for the high cholesterol is low thyroid.  He prescribed levothyrox a year ago, which I understand can cause bone loss.  I opted to use kelp and B vit.  At my recent Dr's appointment, he convinced me to start taking Evista for bone loss and the T4 synthetic thyroxine.  One hour after taking Evista, my hands and feet swelled and ached.  Evista is out.  I have all the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism.  I hate trying to doctor myself but following the BTD has kept me feeling best.  My TSH was 6.4 in Aug 06 but the Free TSH is 1.1.  My heart goes out to those who don't know better and follow to the slaughter.
My Dr. thinks I read too much.  I do read lots of different articles in mag and the internet.  However, the BTD has not failed me.  If anyone cares to respond, I'm willing to read.  Doris
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Doris,
welcome!)
get acquainted with the forum and all features
of this website.
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this page) and get yourself a nice avatar
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Doris, I m glad to hear you ve taken responsibility over your health!
knowledge is power!

read through the health library series, perhaps you ll find the book you need, and follow the more targeted advice and food lists given.
also finding out your secretor status might be even better!

ask if you need help finding anything around the site.


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Hi Doris...and a warm welcome to btd.

I have thyroid probs too and have been taking Levothyrox since 1994 but certainly have never heard that it can cause bone loss. My bone density scans have always been fine, showing quite steady levels. I take calcuim supps too.

Now I'm not an expert but those Aug 06 thyroid results sound unbalanced...is not the TSH too high?? Is that why your GP was persuading you to take medication instead of Kelp+VitB??
Just be interested to know Doris.


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Doris, welcome to the forum.
Gotta say, kudos to you for having a handle on your health choices. 95% compliant for 10 yrs!!!  Wonderful.
I'm wondering if you would be willing to post all of your thyroid test results. Would be interested in what tests they did and how they came out. If the 2 tests are all they did, from what I understand, that is not enough. Will wait to see if you want to post.



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Doris,
The TSH results seem high to me.  Have you considered other thyroid preparations like Armor or Thyrolar which include T3, T2 etc?  
I've been fighting horrible cravings lately.  It's interesting that candida was mentioned as something that is related to hypothyroid.  I don't think I've specifically heard that before.
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Dear Fellow BTDers,
Yes, Italybound, I would be glad to share the numbers.  Since I wrote, I had the blood serum calcium test which showed 9.1 and 10.0 is high.  The TSH numbers are: 2004-6.60, 2005  (4/13) 7.14,  (11/1-2005 6.23.  (8/11) 2006 6.2 and most recent ( 11/27) 2006 6.4.  Several things are going on: my cholesterol was 287 last month yet the serum was clear, my bone density numbers have changed in five years but only a few hundreths in the spine and more in the hip bones yet the thyroid is high.  The Dr. has prescribed a nasal spray, made from salmon, for bone strengthening yet I read the side affects are possible nose bleeds, headaches and neck pain.  Levothyrox has been prescribed for the thyroid but again I hate to take meds.  Like someone wrote, the Drs don't like to prescribe Armour as it can't be regulated.  At least my Dr. is willing to listen to my requests and does read the material I take in.  Armour is not covered in my drug plan however.  I know Drs are necessary but they've misdiagnosed breast cancer and colon cancer on me and it makes me very nervous when anyone prescribes any meds.  They removed 4 colon polyps, which were not cancerous, in the past 2 years and found no lumps in my breasts.  I never take flu shots but always have elderberry which works for me.  I'm 5'8" and weigh 160.  I'd like to weigh less but can't seem to get to 150.  I've been lactose intolerant all my life and have birthed four children.  This may explain some of the bone loss (I did take supplements).  The Dr. doesn't seem to think the parathyroid glands are a problem since the recent calcium serum test was OK.  The high cholesterol and thyroid scores seem to be the biggest problems or are they???
I'm Rh+, Lola, and thank you for the directions.   I've taken the time to read all the sites writers have sent in.  The more compliant I stay (on BTD)the better I feel and I truly believe following these guidelines has kept me from serious illness.  I don't want to give up SCUBA but since my spine is in delicate condition I may need to.  The spine is in the high 3.8 level and 4.0 is in the red zone.  I walk, garden and do meditation.  I have CRFT, LRFT and reread and refer to them all the time.   I found Dr D's book when he first published in the 90's.  
My B side of the family (father) has had stroke problems so I'm especially conscious about any meds that have that side effect.  Evista is one.  My blood pressure is usually 120/78.  Thanks for reading this and thanks for your replies.  BTD works!!!! Doris
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glad to know it s helping!


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Your TSH reading is high, indicating hypothyroidism and that can definitely work against any program for weight loss.  I'm sorry your plan does not cover Armour or Westhroid.  My sister (hypothyroid) takes Synthroid every day and keeps her weight down.  She has no problem with it.  I began on Synthroid after thyroid removal but was not able to lose weight until I changed to Westhroid.
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I use levoxyl for synthroid, and was wrong to try to wean myself off it (or at least way down a couple of years ago).  By the way, I believe all the natural forms (Armour) use pig tissue, probably not so great in itself, although maybe it is too tiny an amount to matter.  Never mind all the problems, but there is a level one really needs, and one can discover that the hard way.  Too much just revs up the metabolism too high, and the calcium breakdown is too high too.  Once the metabolism is in balance, weight loss as needed is easier, and one is not breaking down one's bones too quickly (in a nutshell).  
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Had my endocrinologist checkup yesterday and he's changing my whole program around.  Switching me from levothroid to levoxyl because levothroid has been reformulated and now has something in it he doesn't like.  Since I have virtually no thyroid (removed in 1996 with tiny thy cancer) it's optimal for my TSH to be almost undetectable.  It's considerably below 1 and I'm still having trouble losing weight.  Evidently wit such a low TSH. it affects your ability to break the T4 down into the other Ts, most notably T2.  So we're going to try a new strategy - lower the T4 (levoxyl) and increase the compounded thyroid extract by adding some extra T2 into it.  He's had one patient that had it make a remarkable difference - lots more energy, easier to lose weight, etc. It's his feeling that the percentage of those T3 and T2 in Armour is too high and then that will eventually cause the tissues to hold on to too much of the T4 (I think I'm getting this right - it was a lot to process and I wasn't having one of my best days, brainfogwise).  Anything that will give me more energy has got to be a positive.  I ER and still struggle....worth a try and we'll reevaluate in 3 months to make sure that the TSH hasn't jumped up.
Jane

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Had my endocrinologist checkup yesterday and he's changing my whole program around.  Switching me from levothroid to levoxyl because levothroid has been reformulated and now has something in it he doesn't like.  Since I have virtually no thyroid (removed in 1996 with tiny thy cancer) it's optimal for my TSH to be almost undetectable.  It's considerably below 1 and I'm still having trouble losing weight.  Evidently wit such a low TSH. it affects your ability to break the T4 down into the other Ts, most notably T2.  So we're going to try a new strategy - lower the T4 (levoxyl) and increase the compounded thyroid extract by adding some extra T2 into it.  He's had one patient that had it make a remarkable difference - lots more energy, easier to lose weight, etc. It's his feeling that the percentage of those T3 and T2 in Armour is too high and then that will eventually cause the tissues to hold on to too much of the T4 (I think I'm getting this right - it was a lot to process and I wasn't having one of my best days, brainfogwise).  Anything that will give me more energy has got to be a positive.  I ER and still struggle....worth a try and we'll reevaluate in 3 months to make sure that the TSH hasn't jumped up.
Jane


Jane, hi - was wondering if you had any further insights on this or if you'd tried whatever your doc recommended yet? How'd it go? Thanks.
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 My Dr. tells me the reason for the high cholesterol is low thyroid.



This goes along with my experience. I had normal cholesterol numbers and decades ago after a year of very little fat *at all*, lean protein if any - not much, and mostly raw veggies on a weight loss diet, I first tested with high cholesterol. Doc said I should consider cutting fat in my diet and I responded that there really wasn't any to speak of to cut. Years later, once diagnosed hypothyroid and on meds (thyroid supplement) for that, my cholesterol went right back down to normal. Later it crept up again though I'm still on thyroid meds.
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Still too early to tell.  It takes several weeks for the thyroid levels to change.  Can't say I feel remarkably better but that may be due to the fact that my back's been acting up and I haven't been exercising the way I should.  It's finally a little better and I did hit some golf balls (played 9 with several balls) on Saturday and didn't feel too bad - just a little tired.
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