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Easy E
Saturday, April 13, 2013, 8:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Teachers see the bigger picture and perhaps more abstract in thinking and warriors have a more computer like mind, prob more to the point and analytical.  Explorers seem to be out there in their own world wherever they happen to be
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Adam
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Quoted from ABJoe

There is a difference between a team of knowledgeable practitioners doing the information gathering for a SWAMI Genotype and an individual doing all of the input for SWAMI Xpress.  If the team can't get it right, it won't be right...


If I got an appt at the main office in Bridgeport, how many people are actually going to measure, interview, exam, diagnose, and consult with me?  Does it happen in one day or over several days?  I have no illnesses, unless you count obesity as an illness.
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Adam
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Quoted from Easy E
Teachers see the bigger picture and perhaps more abstract in thinking and warriors have a more computer like mind, prob more to the point and analytical.  Explorers seem to be out there in their own world wherever they happen to be


I see Explorers as the "Steady Eddies", Warriors as the "jump from joy to anger in a heartbeat" folks, and Teachers as the "happy-go-lucky goofy airheads".  These are temperments I'm talking about.  All three can have IQ's all over the place.
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ABJoe
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If I got an appt at the main office in Bridgeport, how many people are actually going to measure, interview, exam, diagnose, and consult with me?  Does it happen in one day or over several days?

Chloe has direct knowledge to answer these questions, as she and her husband have been there...  I know from several people's explanations that each appt., etc. happens within a day, definitely.  They know what they are doing.


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
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Based on just physical characteristics, I'm coming up 45% Warrior.  But, when you figure in my personality type, I come up 40% Teacher.  Which am I to believe?

And, then, what 3 Pack do I choose?  Each SWAMI highly suggests with six stars the related 3 Pack.  There is no Warrior/Teacher combined 3 pack, unless I want to purchase and consume both, which may not be such a wise thing to do.

These are good questions for DPN...  They are responsible for supporting the software users and keeping them happy.  Call them on Monday and express your concerns.  Their number is 1(877) 226-8973...


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Chloe
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Your first appointment, Adam is a few hours long.  Probably close to 2.  If you require more visits and live too far away, I'm sure there is a way to work this out so you can keep in touch with the clinic and present new issues as they come up...Keep in mind that we
live an hour from the clinic.  Your distance to the clinic might require a totally different protocol
for follow ups.

Before you come for your appointment, you will answer many questions at home....It will be emailed to you as a questionnaire and you print it out and bring it with you.  You also may bring any medical tests that are relevant.  I suggest if you
have recent blood work, bring it.....and it would almost be in your best interest to wait until you've
taken any test insurance will pay for so you can give your "team" as much info about you as possible.

So you're seeing medical students with a team leader who is an ND  The students are referred to
as the "shift" as they work with Dr. D for a semester of their schooling..   We've seen different shift students because this is a semester that they're working at the clinic and our appointments
are at the same time....so we're with different teams. A few months passes and a new shift joins the clinic.  Dr. D is their professor for these classes and patients give the students an opportunity
to have practical experience.  They are students in naturopathic college at the Univ of Bridgeport and these are 3rd and 4th year students.  They have taken classes with Dr. D so they know everything there is to know about measuring correctly, asking the right questions, making
a genotype assessment....but students do not make assessments by themselves. Dr. D is part of
this so know that you will be assessed correctly.

Basically, the students ask all the questions. Dr. D examined me and my husband in addition to
the tests done by the students, but I don't know if this is how it works for everyone. (whether every patient who sees the shift sees Dr. D)  I suggest you ask these questions when you call for an appointment.  The types of questions asked to me the first time were relative to my reason
for coming to the clinic.  Once there is a general history in the system, each time you go back (if this is what you require), your intake form is generally not going to rehash your history....but just
update what you've been experiencing, healing-wise since your last visit.

You are given a list of supplements and protocols based on needs you have.  YOu are given a
loose leaf binder with your very specific diet.  You might be called a TEacher or a Warrior or even
an Explorer, but what you actually have is a diet that nobody else has....and so whatever your
genotype might be here on this forum, don't get hung up on that name regardless of what your SWAMI calls you.  Remember, your personal SWAMI was created based on entering information
into the computer that SWAMIx could not ask you.  It's THE most personalized diet on the planet.

Generally, your personal diet won't be altered once it's been assigned to you.  Portions might change if you lose weight, gain weight or have new medical issues.  But generally, you can totally
trust the results of your SWAMI presented to you from the Clinic.

As far as your SWAMI being perfect when you leave the clinic, just know that nobody does it better than Dr. D and his students....This is what he's teaching to his students.  This is what they know very well.  How to ask the right questions, how to measure perfectly, how to assess treatment
protocols.  THey will graduate naturopathic college within a year or two and go out on their own
practicing medicine just the way Dr. D taught it to them.

PS. I realized I didn't answer how many students will measure you.  Generally 2, but I've had 4 students with
me before In the exam room,   One student generally works with another for all testing.  Bioimpedence testing is done. You can read about that if you type it into the search box on this website.  Blood testing to determine blood type and secretor status.  I also forgot to mention that you generally leave with a lot of
supplements, which might be taken until you run out....and then next visit, they are completely re-assessed.
At least that has been my experience.


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"

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Thank you Chloe for all the information.  
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Quoted from Averno

Possibly.


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JoAnn
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Ditto Chloe - I couldn't have said it better (especially since I'm not one for writing too much).  I agree that I was measured properly at the clinic, and I'm very satisfied with my teacher diet.  I believe we're all individuals and have different personality traits whether they're inherited or background related.  All I can say is I put my full trust in Dr. D and his team.  
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If even Dr. D cannot get an A1/A2 test performed on me, then what's the point of going to see him?
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I feel incredibly fortunate that I was able to get all the "additional" testing done when I did (in the early 2000's), since they are looking more and more unattainable.

Perhaps if Dr. D isn't able to do the tests and cannot offer a referral, it isn't that necessary to do them, afterall...or, perhaps, just by seeing Dr. D in person, his input outweighs the other tests...just my thoughts.


Let go of resistance; feel appreciation for what is, and eagerness for what is coming.
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Adam
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It's OK, I might go see him after I retire, which is in a couple of years.  Right now, I'm pretty happy with simply knowing what NOT to eat.  Both Teacher/Warrior diets compare pretty well on the avoids.  I can read my body pretty well now.  I have no illnesses, just overweight.  My skin issues are completely cleared up.  Just have to fix these fingernails.  

The hot paprika recommended by the Teacher SWAMI I've been using seems to irritate me a bit too much, so I'm dropping it for a while.  The Warrior SWAMI has it as a dot, so I'll just use it occasionally.  

The chocolate recommended by the Warrior SWAMI jazzes up my system just like coffee.  I'm caffeine sensitive, so I don't drink coffee, I now drink green tea.  Perhaps chocolate is not a good recommendation either.  Chocolate is a dot on my Teacher SWAMI, so I'll just have chocolate every once in a while.  There are plenty of foods that are superfood/neutral in common on both SWAMI's that will keep me well fed and healthy for a lifetime.

No worries here.  
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If even Dr. D cannot get an A1/A2 test performed on me, then what's the point of going to see him?


I don't think enough about A2 is known or was ever known to change a person's diet in any drastic way.  We are the result of our genetics and the goal of a personalized SWAMI is to
prevent the weak links in our genetics from becoming our fate.  My husband who is a Warrior does not have signs of diabetes.  His maternal grandmother was a diabetic.  His mother's sister and brother were diabetics...His father died of a heart attack at age 60 and DH's diet is clearly targeted to address diabetes/heart disease as he presented with high blood pressure when
he first saw the shift.  The fact that my husband is a non secretor is more vital information
related to the diet he was given, than his subtype which is unknown.

The fact that I'm an A2....well, I found that out when I saw Dr. D in his clinic in Greenwich, Ct in the late 1980s....He had a new practice and was just starting out as a young ND.  I don't know the criteria for testing for A subtype but I learned my subtype in my first or second visit.  So, if Dr. D thought it was vital for him to know your subtype in order to give you the perfect
diet, I'm sure it would be considered.  As for my diet, it's not hinging on my subtype...It merely is extra information and more Teachers would be A2 than Warriors....My diet is personally geared for my genetics, my current health assessment and more is focused on issues that will silence genes that need to stay silent.  Your subtype is about as relevant or irrelevant as knowing your Myers Briggs type.  The basic  information and measuring required to assess your genotype isn't based on knowing either of these two things.  It's interesting to know....but not mandatory.  I
happen to know additional genetic information because I did the National Geographic test that
gave me DNA ancestry information.  It's interesting....but didn't impact my diet in any way.

Even if A2s need a bit more protein as fish or whether they tolerate some foods better than others isn't something that is clearly known or scientifically studied.  Knowing your subtype isn't going to change anything about your visit to the clinic.

I agree with Drea....It's worth everything to see Dr. D and have his input..






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So, if Dr. D thought it was vital for him to know your subtype in order to give you the perfect diet, I'm sure it would be considered.


A very valid point.  I shouldn't speak for Dr. D and say it is essential.
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There are plenty of foods that are superfood/neutral in common on both SWAMI's that will keep me well fed and healthy for a lifetime.

No worries here.  

I was hoping to see something like this soon...  I understand the frustration of "changes", but I understand that life is all about change - and our ability to adapt to it...  It is great that you have been able to see the good and work with it.     


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Adam,
My Meyers-Briggs puts me as an ISFJ but as a teacher I am soooo not a happy go lucky goofy airhead! Au contraire, I am a deep thinker, analytical and emotional.
Reading Chloe's post about her sons made me smile as she described me! It is as if my brain is working way faster than my speech and I do feel this need to verbally explain details, etc.
Easy E made me laugh with the explorer.."out there in their own world". I have many explorer tendencies but as a teacher, I often seem to see the big picture.
My speech is different than my writing. I speak with my hands, always,and have a very expressive face. It is difficult sometimes for me to communicate in writing what is much easier to express verbally..(voice inflection, tone, "isms" inherited from my French family... (shoulder shrugs, pouty or turned up mouth with sounds rather than actual words) OK...my sons call me "drama"...


 Ao  ISFJ   Taster   Rh+  

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I am soooo not a happy go lucky goofy airhead!


I guess it's just me then, lol.  
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I think the A1 A2 thing probably doesn't matter much.  It still is blood type A, even though there may be some slight differences.  

I can be an airhead, goofy, happy go lucky, serious and perhaps overanalyze things, or sometimes underanalyze them, take things too literally, take them too abstractly, and tend to be pretty steady, but at times have flown off the handle and blew things way past what they needed to be, maybe out of boredom or having sub par communication skills using my words!

I think the personality traits have some overlap and everyone can have traits from all of the genotypes, though Dr. D's assessments of personalities is what probably fascinates me the most (i am a counselor, so go figure!)  It really does give me a frame of reference that i keep in mind  when working with people.
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There is a range with F at one end and T at the other, and as we age and learn we often come towards the middle but still stronger on one.  
Both the F and T use feeling and thinking to make decisions it is just how much of each we use.
The "T" is not cold, they just think more about their decisions than F's do.
I can say this as I am a F married to a T.

Most men are "T" and most women are "F".
We have used Myers Briggs a lot where I worked and it is a decent tool for understanding each other but we should be careful not to box ourselves or others as "types".
Lin


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