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Maja
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Greetings all:

Lately I've noticed seeing coconut water for sale in stores, e.g. TJ's and Whole Foods . .  

The claim is that coconut water offers quite a bit of potassium and is a better sports drink than the artificial stuff, Gatorade, Vitamin Water, etc.

Coconut water is, apparently, quite different from coconut milk . .

Coconut milk, judging from descriptions, is made from cooking coconut and water, then straining it to produce a liquid . .

Coconut water is much less caloric (60 vs. about 400 for an 8 oz serving), and may be the uncooked fluid that comes from a raw coconut . . .

So, with that background, here's the question . .

Coconut milk is an Avoid for Type A secretors . .

Does anyone know how coconut water is rated for a Type A Teacher, SWAMI modified . . . .

I'll be making a 210 mile bike ride this Friday-Sat-Sunday . . .

If coconut water is a good way to restore potassium, I'd be interested to know.

Many thanks.

Maja


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if an avoid, avoid it

use other foods available, containing potassium and on your beneficial list instead

long time no see, right?


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Does anyone know how coconut water is rated for a Type A Teacher, SWAMI modified . . . .

Your SWAMI printout will tell you this information...  No one else can tell you what your SWAMI says - as we don't have access to your printout.


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I don't think I'd test it while doing a 210 mile bike ride!


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so now that its after the race did you try it or not .. and how did you do during the race?  


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I think that coconut entries Dr D'adamo made are highly processed commercial varieties such as shredded coconut meat, pureed and heat treated coconut milk. Maybe coconut oil also isn't extra-virgin coconut oil.

Raw coconut is different from shredded commercial coconut meat, feels much better to me. It has galactans that are composed of galactose, the brain sugar. It has those healthy medium chain triglycerides.

Raw coconut meat(whole coconut that I cut myself) alters my digestion in a wrong way when I eat with a complex meal.

But I think it's a good addition to a O nonsecretor still, and I eat a small cut everyday. I think raw coconut can be a good addition to other blood types too in small amounts and without much complexity to digest.
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Yes, Dr. D'Adamo tested the commercially processed varieties of coconut, but the food values he was looking at (lectins) aren't substantially changed by processing. Coconut water may have all these wonderful properties, but they still have lectins that make coconut an unhealthy food for many of us.

Onur, you're certianly welcome to modify your own diet as you see fit; we're all taking responsibility for our own health here. Just be aware that you're straying from Dr. D'Adamo's nutritional guidelines, and others on this site may not want to follow your example.


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Maja,

My hubby  and I are drinking an 11 oz coconut water a day. I have lost lots of  extra puffiness, inflammation and toxins from all over the body  and actually look different in the face. Have lost inches off the face. I've had a partial buffalo hump on my back for a year ( part of it went away after 1 year on BTD) and it has almost dissappeared. I have coconut oil as a black dot on Gatherer and neutral on Hunter  ( do much better and have lost more belly fat on Hunter diet)  and take 2 TBPS a day ( virgin, organic, expeller pressed or raw only). Eating both has turned my hair dark ( almost back to natural hair color) and done many other things for health; including reducing candida overgrowth symptoms, arthritis in left knee and enamel is actually grwing back on 2 front upper teeth. I was about 45% gray. Hubby is growing hair.  I would take these even if they were avoids.

Don't know how it would  be on a marathon, but has done wonders for both of us.

Each of us has to do what we think works best for our overall health. I don't eat any other black dots and usually only eat  a few avoids on vacation once a year and then detox hard, after I get home. I am definetly not suggesting you should eat an avoid because these things work for me. I would not want to responsible for causing you ill health.


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the fish oil formula has done that and more in my particular case.....individuality is a great thing to pursue


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I share my knowledge and ideas when time comes to and that's what forums are for. People from different locations easily come together to talk about a topic on internet, experiences, knowledge, ideas are shared, they learn from each other, think and maybe find better solutions for themselves.
I can understand when my suggestions aren't followed.

I'm not opposing Dr D'adamo's findings in the essence but people do mistakes and I think he did some too.
For example galactose is an essential sugar and has 2 major sources:

1) Dairy > Blood type 0 nonsecretors have no dairy to eat in BTD except Ghee which is only fat and has no galactose
2) Coconut meat(in the form of galactans) > Another avoid for 0 nonsecretors
Other sources aren't even comparable

I can bet anyone with such a galactose restricted diet will feel better after eating a little galactose

Actually I'm against bovine milk too but some fermented A2 milk can be a probiotic, a galactose source and much more to me.

I think people should feel more comfortable when writing their secrets in such a topic, only then they can discover better solutions for themselves.
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why should Explorers avoid it?
Why isn't coconut oil an Explorer Superfood?   (reply)       Posted by: Dr. D

I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by GT4; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.

Dr. Enig is a fine lipid chemist, but has a tendency to think coconut oil is just wonderful in everyone.


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Galactose is an essential sugar? I've heard of essential amino acids, and essential fatty acids, but never essential carbohydrates. Can you elaborate on that?


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Galactose is obtainable from a wide variety of fruit and vegetables. Those particularly rich in the sugar are leeks, broccoli, carrots, Brussels sprouts, and plums.
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Galactose is obtainable from a wide variety of fruit and vegetables. Those particularly rich in the sugar are leeks, broccoli, carrots, Brussels sprouts, and plums.


I thought galactose was only good for B's because it's such a specific sugar?


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Galactose is obtainable from a wide variety of fruit and vegetables. Those particularly rich in the sugar are leeks, broccoli, carrots, Brussels sprouts, and plums.


Every single one of these fruit/vegies is either a complete avoid or black dot for a gatherer  


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I don't remember exact amounts but I did searched amounts of galactose found in food and as I wrote, if you further investigate, you'll find that amounts in those foods aren't even comparable to amounts found in dairy or coconut meat.

I didn't read and I don't really have the time for but there's even a book about them. Sugars That Heal: The New Healing Science of Glyconutrients by Emil I. Mondoa, Mindy Kitei
...in fact, for our bodies to function properly, we need small amounts of eight essential sugars, only two of which--glucose and galactose--are commonly found in our limited, overprocessed diets...
http://books.google.com.tr/boo.....&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw

You can search for them as glyconutrients too.

I summarised sources of them respectively for a representation about healthy eating as follows:
Essential Sugars(mannose, glucose, galactose, n-acetylglucosamine, n-acetylgalactosamine, fucose, n-acetylneuraminic acid, xylose): aloe vera, fenugreek, green legumes, fresh berries, currants, shitake mushroom, kelp, capsicum, tomatoes, eggplant, turnip,…; almost any carb, coconut, celery; cartilage, human milk, shitake mushroom; cartilage, red algaes, human milk; kelp, bladderwrack, brewer’s yeast, human milk, reishi mushrooms, orange peel mushrooms; whey, eggs; green legumes, cabbage, broccoli, spinach, eggplant, aloe vera, echinacea, boswellia, psyllium seeds.

They are needed for glycoprotein synthesis, they can render lectins harmless, and they are necessary in a diet.
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Thanks Onur.
That's probably part of why Dr. D emphasisizes not ignoring any of our beneficials. They are probably there for multiple reasons.


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It's also likely that different genotypes need differing amounts of those essential sugars. Perhaps Gatherers don't have many foods that are high in galactalose because we don't need that sugar in our diets: perhaps we already have too much of it, or synthesize it ourselves, and need more of other sugars to balance it out.


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ruthiegirl, yup! my swami says "emphisize low galactose"......dunno why.
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I'm O+, non secretor.

I just realized I'm severely allergic to coconut water. I've been drinking it heavily for the last two weeks and my knees swelled up tremendously. I'm off it now for 3 days and they are only now starting to come back to normal. Unbelievable but true.

The same thing happened to me years ago when I started doing 3 raw eggs in the morning thinking it was healthy. W/in a week I had severe pain in my knees. I stopped and it cleared w/in a few days.


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