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Tom O
Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 5:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi all,

I've been lurking on this forum for a while. This is my first post. I've been following the BTD for years with some very good results and am now wondering whether I should switch to the GTD. I've read the book and done the measurements. It all sounds very promising. Just one thing is worrying my slightly. According to the Advanced Calculator, I am a Gatherer, but I don't exhibit any of the typical characteristics of that GenoType. In fact, the strength test added up to zero. My main concern is that I am an ectomorph and don't need to lose any weight. I was wondering if anyone has had similar experiences.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Tom

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I believe that the advanced calculator is the final word on our testing decisions.  I would say, check, and re check your adv. cal. results, and get someone else to measure you too, just to be sure.

Then try the Gatherer diet for a few weeks and see what you feel on it.  Not all gatherers have weight issues.  Maybe you have been living close to an optimum diet already.  



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I had the exact same problem, Toe.  I dont feel like I fit and of the body type choices it gives.  As an O I got to a certain point and it gave me no choice but Gatherer.  I felt like I should at least be able to do some kind of comparison to other types.  I am rather tall, not big boned and have very visible tendons.  It all came down to the fact that 3 of my fingers were exactly the same length and one was just a couple mm longer.  At that point I felt like maybe I needed to do it all again with an objective person helping me.  Until then the BTD is working wonders for me.  Both diets help with many more issues than just weight.


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gatherers not only gather excess weight......
some slim ones, gather all kinds of nasties!

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Hey,

I have had a similar (but different) dilema. I went on to the genotype diet and did the measurements and in terms of strength testing the Hunter was very slightly more accurate, on paper. I found the finger lengths not the same for a Gatherer but the leg and torso ones more precise which I feel is more important. I tried the Hunter diet (which I prefer a bit more to be honest) but I gained a little weight on it. To be fair I can't remember if I had started the daily exercise at that time, probably not. My weight seems to be well controlled on the gatherer diet and I do enjoy it. I just miss my chickpeas (humous)  

Steve.


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hallo , yep, uncharacteristic gatherer here too..
I have decided to stick to my BTD and use GTD superfoods.
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steve....about deciding that the leg and torso measurements are more important than the finger measurements....um, how do I tell you this? the gatherer has many different configurations, but the finger lenghths are the deal.....
you can se my tendons (hands) and my legs are a tad bit andric....but I am nonetheless a gatherer....
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miss my chickpeas (humous)

make your humus from butterbeans or great northern beans.....
add almond butter in the mix, with garlic and olive oil and the whole deal!
you won t notice the difference and it will make you feel good.


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I know it sounds strange re the fingers but all considered I don't see how I can be anything other than a Gatherer. I guess the only way to satisfy my curiosity once and for all would be a visit to Dr.D's clinic, something I am considering saving up for.  


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II don't see how I can be anything other than a Gatherer. I guess the only way to satisfy my curiosity once and for all would be a visit to Dr.D's clinic, something I am considering saving up for.


Unless you are going to be in the States anyway you may want to visit Dr. Tom Greenfield in Canterbury. He wrote the foreword to the GenoType book.



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he was also a speaker at the last conference!


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I have already measured and re-measured and also had the help of someone else. I'm pretty confident that I'm a Gatherer. In my case, there's no ambiguity in regard to the results. It's pretty clear that my torso is longer than my legs and that my index fingers are longer than my ring fingers. Under these circumstances, it doesn't actually matter whether my upper legs are longer than my lower legs or vice versa or even whether I'm a secretor or not. I would be a Gatherer in either case. I guess, you're right, Victoria, I should do the diet for a while and see how I'm doing on it. I'm going to keep you guys posted. Thanks for all the advice.

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cheers for the info


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Stay in touch, Tom O.  This is all a process and not just a point of arrival.  



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Well, I hope not to be late in participating in this thread.

I'm a gatherer too, but the "main" characteristics are not fulfilled by my body. For example, my torso is longer than my legs, but my lower legs are longer than my upper ones.

By the other way, my hands are completely symmetrical, also my fingerprints, but curiously the nails of my thumbs are completely different, my right leg is longer than my left one, and my face is not completely symmetrical (my lips are longer in the left part, and my left eye has a lowered eyelid). So, maybe you should also look for other asymmetries (as it is mentioned in the book when it remarks that female gatherers have one breast bigger than the other).

I'm quite muscular, and I gain it with ease. But it's true that I tend to retain water, and that I feel bloated if I don't have enough exercise. I also feel a bowel retention, even more if I feel stressed. I can go twice to the bathroom and I don't never have that "emptiness" feeling other have.

Another interesting point is the immune system. I never have flue or the like, even if I'm surrounded by ill people. My IS is far stronger than usual (another gatherer feature).

There are more facts that point out I'm a gatherer (in spite of a low level strength). I look much younger than I'm. Even if I'm 34, people tend to calculate 25-28. That's another indicator.

So, instead of just centering in that little page of pondered phrases, reread again the gatherer chapter, underline other features, and compare yourself with them, just to be sure.

I'm ready to give it a try for even a year, and I'll write down everything I experience... of course, taking in count other factors. Now I've come back to work and my bathroom-schedule has changed, so my intestines have gone mad. It can be that, it can be I've given up all soy based products. It's nearly impossible to determine which's responsible of it.

So, all that said, let's move on... like gatherers...
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welcome to the gatherer groove......
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Most of my characterisics and all my strength tests say I'm a Nomad, but what's on the outside isn't the same as what's going on inside.  I've been on the Nomad, Hunter and Warrior diet (Don't ask me why I had everything wrong) and all though I have some characteristics of each one they all didn't do it for me.  Once I found the right one, the teacher, it was pretty much smoothe sailing from then on.  You'll know once your on the diet for a while but I'd make sure you get it right the first time with the advanced calculator.    
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Not to confuse you further, but I measure just a smidgen closer to Teacher than I do Warrior.  But my Teacher strength test was 0.  So I went with Warrior.  After about 6 or 7 months of bliss I decided to try the Teacher diet.  I really couldn't tell much of a difference except that I gained a little right around the middle (actually, even going back on the Warrior diet I still haven't lost it ).  I think I'm a Warrior.


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