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There are several differences between the Gatherer diet and the BTD Arthritis book.  Black tea, tomatoes and kale are just a few...
I really want to be following the best of the two for my knees, but I'm still unsure which to stick to.  Any opinions?
By the way, I think  this was discussed awhile back, but I can't seem to locate the discussion.
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I would do the GTD and combine the foods on page 49 of the arthritis book



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Do the calculator and I think it will come up BTD..


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That's probably a question Dr. D would answer on the Genotype website. Did you use your free week yet?
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I did use the free week....

I know it's all a very personal trial and error thing.  I know I need to try foods for myself BUT it would be nice to have some  feedback from others  who are more knowledgeable than I am.  For example, tomatoes are a superfood for Gatherers but an avoid for BTD arthritis ( nightshade)... beef is a super food  in BTD arthritis, but just neutral for Gatherer... black tea  recommended on Gatherer, but an avoid for arthritis book.... kale is   good on BTD arthritis, but avoid on Gatherer... and so on.... there are just so many  factors, not to mention  my activity level each day, which may affect the arthritis....
I guess what I'm asking is whether the  "new " Genotype  Diet cancels out  , or is "better" than the old BTD books....?  are those obsolete or outdated since the new Genotype Diet is more advanced?  Are the old problem specific BTD books still  very valid?
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Hi Sherriberri, we are wondering too...I imagine that they will be appended at some future time. For some reason, my arhtritic hands hurt much less on the GTD....? Dunno why...
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simply avoid those pesky avoids in your arthritis book even though they are SF in GT2.....
until you feel you have completed your 'gene resetting period', and add gradually, according to you.

PM Rex for more targeted advice.....she has been doing great so far, combining both according to her needs.


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thanks, Lola...

I'll PM Rex....  guess my  biggest question is on the beef... it's a super food for  the BTD arthritis but just neutral  for  GTD....

Interesting, Jayneeo!  Thanks for your input...

P.S.  Lola, your daughter is precious!

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I d concentrate on all your GT meat protein diamond sources, preferably grass fed and free range, instead.

Sherry, thanks!


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Quoted from Lola
simply avoid those pesky avoids in your arthritis book even though they are SF in GT2.....
until you feel you have completed your 'gene resetting period', and add gradually, according to you.

PM Rex for more targeted advice.....she has been doing great so far, combining both according to her needs.

This thread is right on target for me at the moment, as I have a sudden emergence of a painful hip--- after about 5 months on the GTD. so I did a quick check in the Arthritis book, and found that my new reliance on black tea, wholemeal wheat, navy beans and a drop in exercise this week, plus twisting my ankle, all have added up to a negative situation. In the short term I have added chon/gluc. to my supplements, removed the above triggers even though they are GTD foods, and will walk slowly every day. I am loathe to add GTD foods that may be good for arthritis treatment but not so good for GTD, so am hoping that just the above will be enough. It is sad to remove the above as I was really enjoying them, so perhaps when I am better I will add them back as treats.
As several hundred million people in the world are probably Warriors, it would be unrealistic to think that one diet fits them all! (to coin a phrase).




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good thinking!
hope you feel better and can slowly or infrequently add those GT goodies.


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Thanks, Jenny, for that thought and feedback.    My arthritis is really worse of late..but there are so many other factors aside from food to which I could trace this.... long story!   Anyway, I think I  will go back to the BTD Arthritis basics and  then add in a few things " just to see"....  even though beef is a staple on the  BTD and just neutral on GTD... will do more turkey, as this is a  bennie on  both...turkey just isn't as easily available.as in out to dinner or lunch....

I'm still waiting to hear back from Rex, as well...  
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Thanks, Jenny, for that thought and feedback.    My arthritis is really worse of late..but there are so many other factors aside from food to which I could trace this.... long story!   Anyway, I think I  will go back to the BTD Arthritis basics and  then add in a few things " just to see"....  even though beef is a staple on the  BTD and just neutral on GTD... will do more turkey, as this is a  bennie on  both...turkey just isn't as easily available.as in out to dinner or lunch....

I'm still waiting to hear back from Rex, as well...  

Well, after a couple of days and nights of intermittent pain in the form of spasms when I moved one leg too fast, I succumbed to 1 panadeine (what, Jenny???? It's been so long since I took pain relief that I can't even remember when it might have been. Anyway, it certainly shocked my body in a nice kind of relative numbness, and in this state of relief I have now decided that it may not be arthritis at all, but a stretched tendon or ligament which I could well have got when I lifted a couple of full ceramic garden pots that I should not have done.
If this latest theory is correct, I guess I should know quite soon, and so I have decided that probably I will be going back to full GTD very soon, and not doing the Arthritis protocols, apart from gluc/chon which I suspect may be a good lectin soak for those occasional baddies.
thanks for listening!!!




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just curious... how soon after consuming avoids to you start to ache?   Tomatoes are one of those mysteries to me.... awful on the arthritis BTD protocol... but  diamond superfood on the Gatherer diet... go figure??? what to do?
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avoid those until you ve reset your genes.....
proceed with caution!

indulge if you have no reaction!
I enjoy mine daily!


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There are several differences between the Gatherer diet and the BTD Arthritis book.  Black tea, tomatoes and kale are just a few...
I really want to be following the best of the two for my knees, but I'm still unsure which to stick to.  Any opinions?
By the way, I think  this was discussed awhile back, but I can't seem to locate the discussion.


Sheri, your knee problem is not hereditary right?

Also, have you tried doing the GT2 diet, by focussing on all food categories from the diamonds and superfoods?

This is how I look at it:

If a particular health issue is genetic, then following the GTD will silence the bad genes and turn up the volume of your good genes.

If a particular health issue is self inflicted  , then focussing on the BTD Health Library Series protocols might help.

My logical ISTJ   approach for your knees would be, list out all your GT2 diamonds and superfoods. Compare that with the Arthritic protocol list. Highlight Arthritic red flags on your GT2 list and avoid it. But dont forget to eat the loud-speaker-foods from your GT2 list.

I dont think anybody has a sure answer to these kind of questions just as yet. Unless you go for a SWAMI analysis...

Good luck and please keep us posted!




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HI AC!
That's sort of what I did.... I took the BTD arthritis book  and the  GTD Gatherer list and highlighted all the foods that  I like to eat that were not avoids  on either.. a few were neutral on one or the other, but none were total disasters.... so I'm going to concentrate on eating those.... and yes , I've totally overdone the tennis of late and my knees are on fire... will back off for a bit...

As far as foods go, I've stopped eating the tomatoes even though they are a superfood for  Gatherers...  too many people feel the nightshades are  bad news for arthritis sufferers...

And black tea... even though it is  good on the Gatherer diet, it is a big NO on the BTD arthritis  O list.... so I'll just have to see.... who knows.. maybe I'll figure this all out for me and be able to help someone else with these questions...  good to hear from you!
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Just wondering if anyone has  a tip for relieving  an arthritis flairup, too?  I don't know WHAT  is going on with me , but it's worse than usual right now...
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what do you believe could be the culprit?
if ok for your GT and avoid in the arthritis HSB then by all means avoid!

you are well an O gatherer but your arthritis issues are worth taking into consideration.....


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Quoted from Jenny

Well, after a couple of days and nights of intermittent pain in the form of spasms when I moved one leg too fast, I succumbed to 1 panadeine (what, Jenny???? It's been so long since I took pain relief that I can't even remember when it might have been. Anyway, it certainly shocked my body in a nice kind of relative numbness, and in this state of relief I have now decided that it may not be arthritis at all, but a stretched tendon or ligament which I could well have got when I lifted a couple of full ceramic garden pots that I should not have done.
If this latest theory is correct, I guess I should know quite soon, and so I have decided that probably I will be going back to full GTD very soon, and not doing the Arthritis protocols, apart from gluc/chon which I suspect may be a good lectin soak for those occasional baddies.
thanks for listening!!!


Sheriberry, I see that you are combining the best of GTD and the anti arthritis protocols, but not yet responding; however, looking at the dates of your mailings, I wonder if anything conclusive could have happened yet? It certainly sounds like arthritis, but (1) have you had any regular medical advice yet? and (2)you hint that there might be other factors that are too complicated to talk about?
Would it help to keep a food and activity diary?




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well, you may already take these, but boswellia is a big help, and NAG, bromelain, and I sometimes use fish oil though I dnt think its on my list...but it seems to help....also, stay less acidic, no sugars, lots of fresh veg and fruit (pineapple)...fish....don;t forget bosellia!!
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Thanks, Lola, Jenny and Jayneeo for the answers!


Well,  my husband is an orthopaedic surgeon, so I DO  get regular medical consultations.. lol... he tells me to quit playing   such hard singles tennis...

I have been looking at the alkaline / acidic food tables.. and trying to  stay very alkaline!  Animal protein of  all kinds is VERY  acidic... strange....

I've been eating a TON of fresh raw fruits and veggies...   jalapenos, for one have been added... great for Gatherers.. maybe not for O arthritis... hmm...  anyway, going to back off on the extra hard tennis ALL  day... just back off.. not quit..
and try to  do all the "ok for both groups" till my knees settle down.. they are already better.

Lola..  arthritis book says ok for red wine... GT says NO to red wine..  I know you are only drinking red wine very sparingly with your husband...  have you seen or noticed  benefits cutting way back??  just curious...
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absolutely!

haven t had red wine for quite a few months now.....
my hub finally got the message, that I would not be chining in with the red wine during dinner....so he has been ordering a glass of white for me instead, when we go out.


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again, alkaline / acidic food tables are a one size fit all...
GT and BT diets designed by Dr D have taken each into consideration......
Os do better acidic, while As are better off alkaline.....
just follow the guidelines.....

do a search, there s lots of threads on this issue here


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Sheri, glad that you are tinkering around with your diet. The important thing here is to heal your damaged knee joints. And while at it, why not allow the diet to take care of 30,000 genes instead of one gene  ? I feel that the body as a whole must be treated. How do you like the GT2 exercise regime?


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Yes, Lola's right, the O can be more acidic than the other types, but still, the way to keep balance without removing meat is to really go heavy on the veg.
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whats' about getting tested...I do have B-clients similar to O'clients where  wheat is the factor   and I do have nonnie's where merely sugars & carbs are the  -factor for diseases...ahemmmm yeppers
go...go...gooo for any kind of tests which is ok for your accordance!


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As soon as MelissaJ Gets back with me on the cost of the SWAMI consultation. She confirmed I am a gatherer. I wanted to be ahunter so badly. I'll gladdly pay her. I need to be individualized further than I have with the BTD O sec and and GTD gatherer.

The tomatoes and nightshades do not agree with me and the black dots are poison. I have not been as good about following to a T the GTD, budgetary constraints, More BTD or GTD day for meals. I still have issues with low blood sugar, menopausal, PMS issues and achy joints. Lots of hereditary issues. I am Half Finnish and half Scot-irish. I am using up the last of my BTD supps and will order GTD when I have. I hav had some cross-contamination issues as of late too. I will be having them this weekend while my husband and I travel for a Pre MOB Marriage enrichment Workshop. Anyway I sympathize with you all.


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Sighs... just when I got used to  eating beef ( O superfood)   it became neutral on the G2 diet...  bah humbug...
so now I'm going to have to learn to love turkey and lamb....

didn't someone once have a tip for taking the "gaminess "  taste out of the ground lamb? soaking it in something?  
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ground lamb doesn't cut it for me...but I have come to loooove lamb. Costco has great chops, I like them marinated for a couple hours first, in wine or a very rich balsamic vinegar and olive oil, then grilled.
must trim fat...fat has the gamy taste.
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baking soda was advised, I believe....


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