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dalep
Saturday, February 10, 2007, 1:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi Everyone, This is my first post and I am hoping someone can help me.  I have acid reflux really bad. I actually lost my voice for 6 months because of it 3 yearts ago.  I am taking nexium in the morning and Zantac before bed and also 2-3 Gaviscon after every meal.  I just started the BTD last week.  Peanuts seem to agravate my reflux so I will be stopping them as of today. I find the diet very limiting in foods that will help me maintain my weight. I have lost too much weight even before this diet. 140lbs at 5ft 8 in.  
Q1- What can I eat to gain weight that won't give me more gas.
Q2- What can I do about the meds, they seem to be counter productive to my diet. The meds reduce my stomach acid but the foods I eat are designed to increase my stomach acid.
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Hi dalep,  Welcome to the forum!  

Please go to the member center - top right hand corner of your screen - and select an avator.  That way we know your blood type and can give more appropriate advice....

Here are  some general ideas for you anyway  

Following the diet as indicated for your type will reduce excess acid.  

As for weight gain you should follow the guidelines in LR4YT.  This contains portion and frequency guidelines for all food categories.  If you are trying to gain weight use the upper end of the portion and frequency guidelines.  Also, use weight training to build muscle which will help you gain healthy weight (muscle) as opposed to fat.

Add beneficial oils and nuts in your cooking - eg add to salads to add might to your meals.  

Most importantly - explore all the foods on the food lists which you are not familiar with.  That way you will focus on the large range of foods open to you rather than those you are not allowed to have
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dalep
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Hi koahiatamadl, I am type A

What can I do about the meds, they seem to be counter productive to my diet. The meds reduce my stomach acid but the foods I eat are designed to increase my stomach acid.
Thanks
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That I don't know  

My own experience is that I suffer with excessive stomach acid if I eat avoids.  However this was never severe enough to take any medication for it so I have no idea how these meds work and interact with your body!  There are more knowledgeable people on this forum and I am sure others can advise you better.  

Stuff to consider:

Eating right should reduce your excessive acid thus reduce/remove the need for your meds.  Thus I would focus on compliance with reliance on beneficial foods, using moderate amounts of neutrals and no avoids.  Your body is clearly not in balance at the moment and will need time to heal.  

To heal and get your body into balance the lifestylre recommendations in LR are equally important.  For As it is important to engage in some kind of relaxation practice like yoga/meditation or similar.

You have had this problem for years and it won't go away over night.  You should however find eating right and living right will remove the cause for your acid reflux
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Hi koahiatamadl, I am type A

What can I do about the meds, they seem to be counter productive to my diet. The meds reduce my stomach acid but the foods I eat are designed to increase my stomach acid.
Thanks


First off, you need to get your secretor status tested.  Once you do that, and are concentrating on bennies for your type, it's my opinion that you will be able to slowly reduce your medication.

I've got to run now, but I'll try to stop back in and give you more thoughts.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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dalep
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I was eating bananas about 2-3 a day, corn oil,whole wheat bread,melon.
I thought they were good for me until I read ERFYT.
i did get this under control about a year ago  but I let it slip away again. Now I can't seem to get it back again. It took almost 3 months the last time for things to settle down. It has only been a month yet but I don't seem to be making much progress.

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Weekend afternoons aren't the busiest time in terms of members popping in, but you are clearly keen for answers....  

Have you searched Heidi's archives - link on blogger page - for acid reflux?  I haven't tried searching for acid reflux but have found plenty good advice on a number of other topics and I am sure you would find food for thought there...

ps - I know you are new to the forum but beware of forum etiquette - capitalising is generally not tolerated by the moderators!  
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Welcome to the forum, dalep.

Focus on avoiding the big 'A' avoids; this will assist with your acid reflux: red meat, dairy, wheat, corn, potaoes, kidney beans.  

Keep your compliancy level very high and focus on tier two foods since you are trying to alleviate a health issue/challenge.  

Refer to the portion/frequency guidelines in LR and concentrate on the higher range numbers by focusing on the proteins, grains/starches, nuts/seeds, healthy fat options.

Feel free to add neutral foods more liberally for a wide range of nutrients.  Follow the exercise recommendations for blood type A's.

Alia


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I would follow food separation guidelines until things get back to normal and you can slowly wean off of the medication.

type As have low stomach acid per se, and your system needs to get back on balance.


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strange as this may sound, one of the big guns for nutrition (Julian Whitaker) thinks that acid reflux can be fixed with DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice)... so too does Dr D. Goggle his name and acid reflux ...

John


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dalep,
So sorry to hear of your discomfort.  I used to suffer terribly with that condition, but the BTD gradually took care of it completely.

In the meantime, there is a wonderful product that may help you transition off the meds, when you are ready:  CLICK



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dalep
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First of all , Sorry for the caps, Just bad typing skills, I realized after typing but with my carpal tunnel it is hard typing. No shouting meant.  I feel a bit embarrassed now I did know I was shouting.

Thanks everyone for your help it is very appreciated. Any more insights please let mr know. This is extremely serious for me.

I searched acid reflux but only got one article for type A

John where can you get that Licorice.

How do you get your Secretor statis checked and what does it tell you ,and what are bennies?

I will look into Meditation  or Yoga on Monday.

Peanuts seem to aggravate my refux.
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not to worry about the 'shouting'- damn cyber-purists!

anyways NAP sells it here: http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP016

hope yours is a good result

John


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Quoted from dalep
First of all , Sorry for the caps, Just bad typing skills, I realized after typing but with my carpal tunnel it is hard typing. No shouting meant.  I feel a bit embarrassed now I did know I was shouting.

Thanks everyone for your help it is very appreciated. Any more insights please let mr know. This is extremely serious for me.

I searched acid reflux but only got one article for type A

John where can you get that Licorice.

How do you get your Secretor statis checked and what does it tell you ,and what are bennies?

I will look into Meditation  or Yoga on Monday.

Peanuts seem to aggravate my refux.


No problem at all dalep    As far as secretor testing, what area of the world are you located in?  If you are in the US, you can purchase the test kit here.

If you are not in the US, I believe Lola has a list of other areas of the world where you can get it done.

Regarding peanuts.  How compliant to the A secretor diet are you now?  You may currently have an allergy to peanuts.  What many members have found is, that once they have been on the diet for a time, foods that were once problematic no longer cause a problem.

Give the diet time, and seriously consider gettng your secretor status tested.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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dalep
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I live in Newfoundland Canada. I'm sure I can get it here.  Is ithe secretor test a self test or should I go to the hospital.
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here s info on secretor testing....


in Canada, you can call the store to order
them! 877-ABO-TYPE.
NAP store in Magog, Quebec.  The number is 819-868-1119.  
http://www.abovie.com/EnglishCanada/EnglishCanada.htm
or order them directly as well as any supplement in the ABOvie store:
http://www.abolife.com/Shopping/shopping.htm


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dalep,
Did you look into the Acid Soothe at the link I provided?  It stops my acid flare ups within minutes.  And it's very natural and pure.



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dalep
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Thanks for the links Lola
Victoria, I checked  it out .  Do you use Digest with it. Do you take any other Meds
It looks like an acid reducer or Is it like gaviscon and provides a foam barrier.
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I take Digest with meals, and take Acid Soothe as needed, only when I feel an acid flare.  (I need it very seldom now, but before BTD, it saved my esophagus!)  Digest is not required for everyone, but I have a very delicate digestive system, and it is the root of most of any health issues that I have.  

Acid Soothe contains enzymes which digest the offending substances that are fermenting and/or reacting.  It also contains slippery type of herbs that coat the tissues.  I know that it doesn't reduce the ability of the body to digest.  In other words, it is not like Tums anti acid.



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dalep
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Sounds Good Victoria.  I am trying to decide if I can stop some of my meds because it seems to be interfering with my BTD. tHE Meds are decreasing my stomach acid which is low in most typeA  anyway  but the diet is trying to increase my acid. It just seems like it's conter-productive to take the meds.
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I'd just like to say that I was the TUMS QUEEN before BTD. When I eliminated my O avoids, the acid reflux simply went away after a time. I'm sure the makers of Tums are wondering why their income went down so much. .
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I'd just like to say that I was the TUMS QUEEN before BTD. When I eliminated my O avoids, the acid reflux simply went away after a time. I'm sure the makers of Tums are wondering why their income went down so much. .


 That's so funny, Maggie!  But I'm sure it wasn't funny when you were having to eat all those Tums!



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Sounds Good Victoria.  I am trying to decide if I can stop some of my meds because it seems to be interfering with my BTD. tHE Meds are decreasing my stomach acid which is low in most typeA  anyway  but the diet is trying to increase my acid. It just seems like it's conter-productive to take the meds.


What you are saying makes sense.  But of course, I hope you will make changes gradually and pay close attention to how you are doing.  After stopping meds, it's not uncommon to swing to the other extreme, so you should allow transition to occur gently.

BTD will help you regulate your body on all levels, and for sure, it can take time in some instances.  Some things improve immediately, but chronic conditions can be slower.



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dalep
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My problem is that since my BTD  I feel worse because I  am fighting the meds. Maybe if I split my pills in half I would see a difference,

I have damage to my esophagus so it will take time to heal. Will it heal on it's own or do I need the nexium

Maggie how long did it take you to feel good again
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If Maggie was the Tums queen, I was the King!  Since I started on BTD, I haven't had any heartburn.  I take Protonix for the hiatal hernia/acid reflux.  Before BTD, I would need to take Tums along with the meds.  I must say that the Protonix seems to have helped the esophogeal spasms (or whatever was causing things - food, pills - to stick in my throat and occasionally block the airway).  I can swallow and not wonder if it will go down.

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doc, how long  did it take for you to go off the tums and was it cold turkey or gradual.  Is protonix the same as nexium, an acid reducer. Do you expect do ygo off the protonix soon. Does the protonix conflict with your diet eg. your A diet is designed to increase your stomach acid and the protonix I assume eliminates the gas. Seems like a conflict.
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Oops sorry, I posted that twice. I also just realized you are type O doc.
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Speaking from experience I've come to realize that corn products are the worst for stomach acid and type A's. The problem is corn products first and foremost are poisons to A's and secondly almost indigestible .  I will elaborate furthur in a new thread shortly. For now, here is a shortened version.

20 percent of anything you put in your body is absorbed through the stomach lining and 80 percent through the intestines. So when you ingest a poison your body will naturally try to keep it out of you blood stream by pushing it off to the side of your stomach and wrapping it in mucus. However it is not completely wrapped as it is resting on the surface area of your stomach lining so you still have small amount of absorption into the blood stream. This will not only irritate you but also make you sluggish because like Dr. D'adamo says in the book these foods lower the good acidity of your muscles and the stomach is part of a major muscle group.

This muscle group is known as the digestive system and requires copious amounts of blood flow to function when in full tilt. So if your sending an abundant amount of blood to the digestive system them you cannot disperse it evenly to the rest of your muscles. Think of it like doing leg extensions. When you perform leg extensions you are stressing the quadricep so your body reacts by upping the blood flow to that muscle because it needs nutrients to continue this increased output and nutrients travel in fat cells in your blood.

Now because you still have certain amount of poison in contact with your stomach lining your body is constantly being told that A) There is something in my stomach. So please produce some stomach acid so that when it empties the proper chemical process can take place in the small and large intestine. B) There is a poison in my stomach so please resilient body of mine produce an abundant amount of stomach acid to try and neutralize this poison. It's a catch 22 in a sense but your body is basically using a bend don't break approach.

This is why when one ingests a truly toxic chemical like an industrial chemical they pump your stomach and the time table is much smaller because a toxic chemical is like a poisonous food times 1000 and causes nutrient wasting at a much higher rate. Once all of your nutrients that are being sent to the digestive system to keep your stomach from emptying are depleted then the toxin hits your small intestine where 80 percent absorption takes place and you die.

So back to the food issue here. You need to get this disagrreeable food to leave your stomach. This can be accomplished by fasting because when you starve your body of protein for an extended period of time it starts to look around the digest system for a supply, taking a strong antimucosal such as Bronchaid because this will assist in thinning the mucous layer around the said disagrreeable food in your stomach, and a very steady flow of a good digestive enzyme  formula to assist in the breakdown of said food.

The reason Bronchaid is recommended is because it contains ephadrine an amphetamine that will energize throughout the fast and unlike other stimulants aids carbohydrate stores in the muscles (remember your stomach is a muscle) rather than muscle wasting like i.e. burning muscle stores like say cocaine would do. Aspirin will assist in getting the Bronchaid into your bloodstream but take ibuprofen with the aspirin to retain blood clotting should an accident occur. for more info google ECA stack. I'm no doctor but these are conclusions I've drawn from my own personal experiences after obtaining ER4FYT. If you are not in good health then you probaby shouldn't try such an extreme approach. Hell of a first post and there are many more eye openers on the way. Stay tuned!!!

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Welcome to the forum Attila the Ghost,

Please stop by your member center and pick an appropriate BTD avatar shield.  Your member center link is at the top right of the page.  Click on that link and scroll down the left side links bar, until you see the Avatar link.

I modified your post so that it would be easier to read by our members.  I just purused your post; I did not study it in depth.  

I must mention, though, that study after study has shown (over the last 40 years) that the digestive systems of the different blood types have (as part of their genetic heritage) different levels of an enzyme called intestinal alkaline phosphotase (IAP).  This enzyme is critical in the digestion of fats, and, the trigger that turns it on is the presence of protein.  Type O's produce the most IAP, while Type A's produce the least.  The presence of an avoid food will not

Regarding our immune system. Our immune system functions by identifying foods that appear to be "self" or "non-self," and it's quite abundant in our digestive system.    When William Boyd discovered that plants were blood type specific for agglutinating erythrocytes, he named these plant substances lectins.

Imho a "poison" would be treated by the immune system, in much the same way that the body treats and recognizes lectins: as either "self" or "non-self."


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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yes protein is crucial to the digestion of fats but I am naming corn products as the main culprit of the excessive stomach acid and corn is not to my knowledge a fatty food. if your referring to the fasting process through my experience that there is a fair amount of residual undigested protein in the digestive system due to the fact that we as a modern people tend to cook our food changing the protein from readily digestible to much more difficult to digest. and thanks for putting my previous post in paragraph form as I tend to ramble.
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don t forget you are after all a non secretor!


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Quoted from Attila_the_Ghost
yes protein is crucial to the digestion of fats but I am naming corn products as the main culprit of the excessive stomach acid and corn is not to my knowledge a fatty food. if your referring to the fasting process through my experience that there is a fair amount of residual undigested protein in the digestive system due to the fact that we as a modern people tend to cook our food changing the protein from readily digestible to much more difficult to digest. and thanks for putting my previous post in paragraph form as I tend to ramble.


I'm not refering to a fasting process.  What I'm trying to tell you is, the different types have different diets, not just because of lectin specificity, but because we inherintly have vastly different digestive systems.  So, to make blanket statements about the digestive process, directed at all individuals, imho, is not accurate.

And, like Lola points out, you being an A nonnie, corn becomes an avoid.  So, if you've had a diet in the past of corn, it's not surprising that it's a problem food for you.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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Attila the ghost, you say that corn is not good for type A  but ERFYT says neutral. Can you explain.

Also I am thinking part of my problem that I was blaming on Acid Reflux  may be an allergy. When I eat potato or grapes I feel it in my throat but not my stomach.  It feels like something is pushing on my throat. Does this make sense. Is there a common element in both.potato and grapes

Is it o'k to combine rice and chicken
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Quoted from dalep
Is it o'k to combine rice and chicken

Not according to a food combing rule, which is to not eat protein and starch together because it may cause digestion problems.



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It is real difficult not do mix protein and starch. Can you tell me what vegatables don't contain protein or starch from this group

eg.  brocolli, cauliflour, green beans, green peas,soy beans,carrots, lettuce, cucumber,onions,mushrooms,
apples, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries,cherries, apricots, grapes, plums, dates,raisins, kiwi, watermelon
soy drink, soy nut butter, soy ice cream, tofu
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The main thing is try not to eat grains with animal protein.

You can look any food up in NutritionData.com and get detailed protein and starch content.

No fruit or vegetable, at least that I can think of, is going to be high enough in protein be an issue. Some vegetables may have a significant amount of starch.


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dalep,

My Tums consumption gradually stopped as I dropped wheat from my diet.  That seems to be the main offender.  I started BTD in hopes of stopping the Protonix, controlling my blood pressure and blood sugar, and getting the metabolic syndrome under control.  So far, I am still taking the Protonix.  It's been so long since I haven't taken some form of acid blockers that I think I'm a little hesitant to take the step.  One of these days.

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dalep,

My Tums consumption gradually stopped as I dropped wheat from my diet.  That seems to be the main offender.  I started BTD in hopes of stopping the Protonix, controlling my blood pressure and blood sugar, and getting the metabolic syndrome under control.  So far, I am still taking the Protonix.  It's been so long since I haven't taken some form of acid blockers that I think I'm a little hesitant to take the step.  One of these days.

Ken


Hi doc,

If you've had these health challenges for some time, I'd seriously consider getting your secretor status tested. That could be the key that finally unlocks your problem, and gets you off the meds, eventually.


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I am going to my family doctor tomorrow to talk to him about being tested.
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dalep, atilla is an A non secretor, for whom corn is an avoid.

for you it is neutral, unless you had a noticeable reaction to it.

remember individuality plays a role here, and we need to find what best suits our needs and goals.


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Modon, thanks for the link
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Secretor status is tested via saliva, so if your doc doesn't do it, you can get tested through the NAP link at the top of the page.



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Thanks  Victoria

Modon the link gives me the protein but not the starches that I can see anyway.
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Thanks  Victoria

Modon the link gives me the protein but not the starches that I can see anyway.

Starch is listed at the bottom of the page in the very detailed nutrients table in the carb section.


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Thanks Modon. Potato boiled and white rice is listed as no starch. Is it starch or carbohydrates that matter when you combine with protein or other meat.
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I would say it is starch which shouldn't t be combined with protein, if there s digestive trouble.

strange that potato and white rice doesn t have starch!! even if boiled.....


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absolutely!


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How are the potatoes  prepared  any oils seasonings other ingredients? Why are you eating them when they are classed as an avoid?  Can't figure out the grapes. Grapes possess strong antibacterial properties so maybe your reaction is due bacterial die off.  Grapes are one of the fruits that receive the most pesticides so wash thoroughly.  

Back to corn issue.   I love Dadamos book but it does contain some contradictions. Corn products are nuetral for A's but corn oil is avoid. Once again from personal trials I have come to find that an avoid with a secretory insuffiency,INTERFERES WITH CARDIOVASCULAR ACTIVITY label are the most dangerous and the most difficult to expell from the body. Me being an A Nonnie if I eat corn tortillas with chicken and blk beans my body will not separate the just the corn tortillas but will keep a good percentage of the chicken and beans with it in my stomach. Applying this thinking to say cornmeal or corn starch or syrup there are small amounts of corn oil in them would cause your body to also hold them back in the stomach and possibly later in the colon. Refer back to my earlier post where I talk about your stomach pushing avoids off to the side and wrapping them in mucus to keep them out of the blood stream. Well when you put an avoid with secretory insuffiency,INTERFERES WITH CARDIOVASCULAR ACTIVITY in your stomach it acts on the fly with utmost of priority to first keep that food out of the small intestine so if that means whisking it away without fully separating the nutrients then so be it. This my friends is why all corn products are bad for all type A's. apply this thinking throughout the foodlists and you will increase your way of life.  I speak from first hand experience on this subject please think deeply about what I've posted here.
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your first link goes against what I posted so I will address it first. I challenge you find me a truly corn oil free corn byproduct. Good luck.

your second link is right on with what I posted.  really think about what was in my last post. read it 3 or 4 times if you have to. and lectins are one thing secretory insufficiency, INTERFERES WITH CARDIOVASCULAR ACTIVITY . are completely different beasts.

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Me being an A Nonnie if I eat corn tortillas


Again, corn is an avoid for you.  If you have an issue with particular oils, then avoid them.  Understand that there are genetic differences with every person where, there might be a food that is classified as neutral/beneficial, yet, an individual may still have a reaction to that food.  

Here's a good example.  Cassandra, a blogger here, is a Type O secretor but she can't eat beef.  She's tried it organically grown.  She's tried it with digestive enzymes.  She's tried it with no hormones. She's tried it as grass fed.  Each and every time she gets a negative reaction eating beef.  She came to the conclusion that she's allergic to this Type O beneficial food.  Should she continue to try to eat it, just  because Dr. D says it's a beneficial?  No.  For her unique individuality, it's an allergen food and she no longer eats it.

From what you are posting, it appears that you have an issue with all corn and corn byproducts.  If so, then avoid them.  It doesn't mean that corn and corn byproducts will be an avoid for all Type A's.  But it certainly appears to be for you.


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Just got back from my doctor. When you check for secretor statuswhat exactly is it called.eg. Gastric secretion, bile secretion

He also confirmed what I was thinking but hoping for some different answer. I can't really embrace this diet and take meds such as nexium and gaviscon at the same time. I have to go off the meds if I am to give this a chance. The meds and BTD Clash.
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Just got back from my doctor. When you check for secretor statuswhat exactly is it called.eg. Gastric secretion, bile secretion


What is tested is your saliva for the presence of your BTD antigen.  The testing is called secretor status.  This is controlled by a specific gene.

You can read more about it in the wiki here

If your doctor doesn't have a saliva test, the best way to do it is to order the test from NAP, collect your saliva, and mail it in.  Get your results a few weeks later online.


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why would eating according to your physiology clash with meds, at all?

you will only be feeding your body the right food.

where s the danger?


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    Someone correct me if I am wrong and I hope I am but from what I onderstand is that Type A have low stomach acid therefore the BTD HAS A Lot of acid producing foods such as green vegetables and many friuts and my meds are designed to reduce my stomach acid. One seems to be fighting the other.
    Does my  stomach need the extra acid to break down foods?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Blood Type specific foods help to get the body's systems back on track so that the digestive system is working correctly and does not need help from meds.  At least that was my impression when I first looked into the Blood Type Diet.

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you might be able to wean yourself away from meds as time goes by.....hang in there.......


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Ken, yes that is my understanding but before that happens the meds may be counterproductive. but I still need them I think.
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Anyone know good or bad about soy ice cream for type A icecream is not allowed but soy ice cream is different.
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Ice cream or soy ice cream always just read the ingredients list to see if the food product is OK for you or not.


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o'k  I was just wondering if the processing part was an issue. Thanks
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no, it s the gums and stabilizers and corn based sweeteners...etc.


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has anyone mentioned enzymes to digest the food?
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Again, corn is an avoid for you.  If you have an issue with particular oils, then avoid them.  Understand that there are genetic differences with every person where, there might be a food that is classified as neutral/beneficial, yet, an individual may still have a reaction to that food.  

Here's a good example.  Cassandra, a blogger here, is a Type O secretor but she can't eat beef.  She's tried it organically grown.  She's tried it with digestive enzymes.  She's tried it with no hormones. She's tried it as grass fed.  Each and every time she gets a negative reaction eating beef.  She came to the conclusion that she's allergic to this Type O beneficial food.  Should she continue to try to eat it, just  because Dr. D says it's a beneficial?  No.  For her unique individuality, it's an allergen food and she no longer eats it.

From what you are posting, it appears that you have an issue with all corn and corn byproducts.  If so, then avoid them.  It doesn't mean that corn and corn byproducts will be an avoid for all Type A's.  But it certainly appears to be for you.



The fact that corn products are a problem for me is a given seeing that I am an A nonnie, so why do you continue to bring this up. The point that I am trying to make is that corn products are bad for all Type A's.

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doesn t bother certain type A secretors I know....specially if it s organic corn.
individuality and genetic heritage is key here.


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has anyone mentioned enzymes to digest the food?
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Enzymes to digest what food? If you mean the build up in Dale P's stomach then yes I addressed this in my first post.
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So lola , it s the gums and stabilizers and corn based sweeteners that are a problem. Is that correct.
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all possible avoids, yes.....not exclusively those I mentioned.....there are more substances used in the food industry.....you need to learn to read the labels to detect hidden avoids.


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I never read about any gums in avoids for type A. Did I miss something.
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I never read about any gums in avoids for type A. Did I miss something.


Guar gum, carrageenan (actually a seaweed that's used as a gum/thickener) are avoids for all Type A's.

As well asd Acacia which is gum arabic.


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The fact that corn products are a problem for me is a given seeing that I am an A nonnie, so why do you continue to bring this up. The point that I am trying to make is that corn products are bad for all Type A's.


I don't have all the Health Series books, just the Diabetic one, and in that it suggests that all things corn related get moved from neutral to infrequent neutral (0-2 times per month) for A secretors. Can anyone tell me if this is true in the other Health Series books?


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I don't have all the Health Series books, just the Diabetic one, and in that it suggests that all things corn related get moved from neutral to infrequent neutral (0-2 times per month) for A secretors. Can anyone tell me if this is true in the other Health Series books?


Without looking in all eight books for you, that's probably correct.  It was the case for Type O secretors, in regards to items moving to the neutral infrequent category.  They are almost exactly the same in all eight books.  Very little differences between them in regards to categories.


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