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Posted by: EarloHusk, Saturday, July 12, 2014, 2:42pm
I'm rather fascinated with the GenoType Diet at the moment. It pretty much cleared up my diarrhea (that I had for 4 years), and I'm in the process of reducing and eliminating all the pills and such I had been taking to make the diarrhea more manageable.

While the GenoType seems amazing to me, my relatives (8 brothers, 4 sisters, lots of cousins) have never heard of it. It's a bit hard to speak of it, because step 1 is figuring out which of the six types you fit in, and that's an awkward elevator discussion.

So, I took a look at what's generally medicine and what's generally poison.  

I came up with: Everyone can eat turkey. Bacon, Ham & Pork are poisons (except for the Explorer can eat pork, but I'll just ignore that as it messes up my story). Beef and chicken could be good or bad. Milk (cow) is poison. White potatoes are poison. Most people can eat red potatoes. Bread, pasta, wheat, flour are poison (only true for O and B, but all my relatives seem to ne either O or B)

These are the basic foods where I come from. Since generalizations that happen to be true are quite powerful and since the book doesn't seem to get into generalizations, I'm wondering if this has value for really short conversations (family gatherings and such). Or if it's missing the point.

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, July 12, 2014, 5:47pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from EarloHusk
So, I took a look at what's generally medicine and what's generally poison.  

I came up with: Everyone can eat turkey. Bacon, Ham & Pork are poisons (except for the Explorer can eat pork, but I'll just ignore that as it messes up my story). Beef and chicken could be good or bad. Milk (cow) is poison. White potatoes are poison. Most people can eat red potatoes. Bread, pasta, wheat, flour are poison (only true for O and B, but all my relatives seem to ne either O or B)

These are the basic foods where I come from. Since generalizations that happen to be true are quite powerful and since the book doesn't seem to get into generalizations, I'm wondering if this has value for really short conversations (family gatherings and such). Or if it's missing the point.

Most of what you say is correct.  White and red potatoes are the same rating, the difference in potatoes is the white, red, blue starchy potato or sweet type potato (yam).

Another toxin for most people is corn.  I don't know of anywhere in the U. S. that corn isn't a staple, either as the vegetable, corn meal (or something made from), or corn syrup or starch in prepared products, etc...
Posted by: EarloHusk, Saturday, July 12, 2014, 11:06pm; Reply: 2
Thanks -- I missed the corn, for sure.

Hunter has "potato, white, red with skin" as an avoid.
The other five diets show "potato, white with skin" as avoids, and don't mention red potatoes (which by default leaves them as "just food".

Not trying to argue, that's just what I saw in the book.

I take it that's been updated (after the book) such that red and white potatoes are now avoids for everyone?
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 12:21am; Reply: 3
Maybe if I eat enough French fries my child will have them as a superfood to adapt! ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 2:40am; Reply: 4
Quoted from EarloHusk
Hunter has "potato, white, red with skin" as an avoid.
The other five diets show "potato, white with skin" as avoids, and don't mention red potatoes (which by default leaves them as "just food".

If this is true, your book is different than mine...  Page 199 - Hunter Live Foods - shows Potato, white with skin.  I see no reference to red at all...

My book is the hard cover - Copyright 2007 by Epigenetic Archetypes, LLC.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 2:43am; Reply: 5
Quoted from Easy E
Maybe if I eat enough French fries my child will have them as a superfood to adapt! ;)


...  Or be so stiff from arthritis that it can't walk...
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 2:48am; Reply: 6
That is more likely!
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, July 13, 2014, 11:47am; Reply: 7
btw.. no pork for any bt nor gt!!! ;) and welcome on the boards .... ;D :D(clap)(smarty)(woot)(hehe)(smile) greetings from a swiss explorer ;)....
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 4:24pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ABJoe

If this is true, your book is different than mine...  Page 199 - Hunter Live Foods - shows Potato, white with skin.  I see no reference to red at all...

My book is the hard cover - Copyright 2007 by Epigenetic Archetypes, LLC.


I'm starting to feel awkward about this.
My book is the paper back - Copyright 2007 by Epigenetic Archetypes, LLC.
Page 199 - Hunter Live Foods - shows Potato, white, red, with skin.
My Title is "Change Your Genetic Destiny"

Sounds like we need an independent arbitrator. Or a third book to break the tie. Maybe Swami knows :)
Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 5:26pm; Reply: 9
Earlohusk,

I have the paperback of Change Your Genetic Destiny, and yes it lists "potato, white, red, with skin" as an avoid on page 199.

By the way, the TypeBase Index does not differentiate between red and white potatoes, meaning the rating is the same regardless of your blood type and secretor status. Sweet potatoes, however, are listed separately because of the different ratings.
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 6:01pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Adopted4
Earlohusk,

By the way, the TypeBase Index does not differentiate between red and white potatoes, meaning the rating is the same regardless of your blood type and secretor status. Sweet potatoes, however, are listed separately because of the different ratings.


But, but, but  (warning, getting argumentative here)

The TypeBase Index is great if all you know is your blood type and secretor status. I can look up foods for me (blood type B, secretor status unknown). Since I don't know my secretor status, I simply assume the worst.

However, type B can translate into Nomad or Explorer or Gatherer, and if the TypeBase Index was the last word on the subject, then Nomad, Explorer and Gatherer would have to be identical. So, when we know enough about us to select a GenoType diet (I translate to a Nomad with either secretor status), we necessarily end up with some medicines, neutrals, and poisons for the Nomad not matching the TypeBase Index for Type B. So, the TypeBase Index can't be the final word on the subject for anyone who knows which GenoType diet they fit.

Still not sure about red potatoes. Which is a shame, because they used to be a staple for me, and I would like to eat them if they are neutral, but I'm done eating poisons.
Posted by: deblynn3, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 6:38pm; Reply: 11
Could it be potatoes (white, red, and yellow) seem to be an avoid for most, and sweet potatoes seem to be ok with many?  I must say having the personal swami has made life so much easier
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 7:17pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from EarloHusk


I'm starting to feel awkward about this.
My book is the paper back - Copyright 2007 by Epigenetic Archetypes, LLC.
Page 199 - Hunter Live Foods - shows Potato, white, red, with skin.
My Title is "Change Your Genetic Destiny"

Sounds like we need an independent arbitrator. Or a third book to break the tie. Maybe Swami knows :)

The only possible solution I have is that the "red" in this line is a type addition to the book...  Typebase, the rest of the genotype lists and SWAMI Xpress all have the white potatoes lumped into one line listing...
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 7:47pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from ABJoe

The only possible solution I have is that the "red" in this line is a type addition to the book...  Typebase, the rest of the genotype lists and SWAMI Xpress all have the white potatoes lumped into one line listing...


I think I finally get it. Man, I feel a bit embarrassed. When I go to the store I see potatoes with red skin (we boil these and call them red potatoes) and potatoes with white skins (these are to be baked and we call them bakers or white potatoes). They also have red skinned potatoes with yellow insides (we call them yellow potatoes and no one likes them). All of these are considered to be included in "potato, white, with skin".

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Sheesh. That was me.

Thanks for the help!
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 9:03pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from ABJoe

Typebase, the rest of the genotype lists and SWAMI Xpress all have the white potatoes lumped into one line listing...


I was considering ordering Swami -- now I'm convinced I need it.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, July 13, 2014, 10:23pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from EarloHusk
I think I finally get it. Man, I feel a bit embarrassed. When I go to the store I see potatoes with red skin (we boil these and call them red potatoes) and potatoes with white skins (these are to be baked and we call them bakers or white potatoes). They also have red skinned potatoes with yellow insides (we call them yellow potatoes and no one likes them). All of these are considered to be included in "potato, white, with skin".

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Sheesh. That was me.

If it's any consolation, you're not the first...  

We've even had people ask "Well, since it says 'with skins' - does that mean without the skins they are OK?"  
The answer is that they are still included in that rating...
Posted by: EarloHusk, Monday, July 14, 2014, 2:02am; Reply: 16
Quoted from ABJoe

We've even had people ask "Well, since it says 'with skins' - does that mean without the skins they are OK?"  
The answer is that they are still included in that rating...


I almost raised the issue of "with skins". My training and experience is in the world of computers as a technical expert, where everything was completely understood or total chaos. I also almost brought up "corn, popcorn" which either means "corn and popcorn" or "corn subtype popcorn which basically means popcorn but not corn generally". I figure you good folks can only take so much in one day :)
Posted by: Spring, Monday, July 14, 2014, 2:39am; Reply: 17
Quoted from deblynn3
Could it be potatoes (white, red, and yellow) seem to be an avoid for most, and sweet potatoes seem to be ok with many?  I must say having the personal swami has made life so much easier

You are so completely right about that! There used to be an errata list somewhere - would it help, do you think?
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 14, 2014, 5:48am; Reply: 18
with or without skin, all the same
I do eat my sweet pot skins, np ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:29pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from EarloHusk
I almost raised the issue of "with skins". My training and experience is in the world of computers as a technical expert, where everything was completely understood or total chaos. I also almost brought up "corn, popcorn" which either means "corn and popcorn" or "corn subtype popcorn which basically means popcorn but not corn generally". I figure you good folks can only take so much in one day :)

This is where reading the blood type books really helps get a basic understanding of some of the lists.  For instance, with corn, there are many times where Dr. D. discusses the aspects of corn and by reading this, you realize that it is basic corn being spoken of, so when you read the lists and see corn and popcorn on the list, it should be obvious that all corn is in that listing...
Posted by: deblynn3, Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:40pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Spring

You are so completely right about that! There used to be an errata list somewhere - would it help, do you think?


The errata list is up on the drop downs under learn more. When I ordered a book for this site they sent a notice on an errata. Wish there was a way to get notice to all who get a book from libraries etc.  to look them up.
Posted by: Spring, Monday, July 14, 2014, 6:20pm; Reply: 21
Deblynn, I'm glad it is still around, but it IS a pity that it is not more available to the general public.
Posted by: EarloHusk, Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 6:36pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from EarloHusk


I was considering ordering Swami -- now I'm convinced I need it.


My copy of Swami arrived. I plugged all my info in, and got a few surprises: Beef is now a superfood. This is really good news, as all I eat right now is superfoods, and as a Nomad it had been a neutral, and my superfood meats were mostly wild game. I live in the suburbs. We can't hunt rabbits here (just about trip over them at times though) or raise them.

Also, potatoes, white, with skin moved from an avoid to a neutral. So, in about 6 months or so, I'm adding potatoes back into my diet.

As someone else mentioned, by showing all three columns (superfoods, neutrals and avoids) it's fairly easy to work out what each of the foods listed means. Corn, popcorn is shown as an avoid, and corn is not listed as a neutral or a superfood, so all corn is clearly an avoid.
Posted by: Averno, Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 7:18pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from EarloHusk


My copy of Swami arrived. I plugged all my info in, and got a few surprises: Beef is now a superfood. This is really good news, as all I eat right now is superfoods, and as a Nomad it had been a neutral...


Hey EarloHusk, quick question...

Did your Genotype change using Swami, or are you referring to Swami refining your Nomad genotype?

I ask because one field asks whether or not to let Swami choose your genotype, (which is generally recommended), and it's one of those things that can throw you. I think we're only given the option in the first place so that we can override Swami when, in unusual circumstances, it would be recommended to do so.
Posted by: EarloHusk, Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 11:03pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Averno


Did your Genotype change using Swami, or are you referring to Swami refining your Nomad genotype?

I ask because one field asks whether or not to let Swami choose your genotype, (which is generally recommended), and it's one of those things that can throw you. I think we're only given the option in the first place so that we can override Swami when, in unusual circumstances, it would be recommended to do so.


I did indicate I was a Nomad. No doubt in my mind.

Then, since you raised the issue, I went back and let it determine my type. Swami says I'm an Explorer.

Needless to say, I'm stunned, and a bit confused. A lot actually.

And Beef is back to neutral, Potatoes back to an avoid.

Feeling a bit lost.
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 11:35pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from EarloHusk


Feeling a bit lost.


It pays to double and triple check your measurement's and to make sure you are measuring the correct way.

That said, a priori a B is a strong favorite to be a Nomad, so it wasn't a bad presumption.
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, July 17, 2014, 1:23am; Reply: 26

Here's to your health  ;)
Posted by: EarloHusk, Thursday, July 17, 2014, 3:17am; Reply: 27
Quoted from Lloyd


It pays to double and triple check your measurement's and to make sure you are measuring the correct way.

That said, a priori a B is a strong favorite to be a Nomad, so it wasn't a bad presumption.


The measurements seem ok. I did them all several times to get it right. I think it went from Nomad to Explorer when I added the new information that Swami took into account that wasn't part of my original manual calculations.  

I read the Nomad stuff over and over (I benefit from repetition) and got it stuffed in my head good. Now I just got to repeat that with all the Explorer stuff and push the Nomad stuff out.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 17, 2014, 3:28am; Reply: 28
All the best with that!! Love your humour btw ;)
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, July 17, 2014, 11:38am; Reply: 29
Quoted from EarloHusk

I read the Nomad stuff over and over (I benefit from repetition) and got it stuffed in my head good. Now I just got to repeat that with all the Explorer stuff and push the Nomad stuff out.


If it's any consolation, a lot of us have been through that. In the search box, type "Swami changed my genotype"

Posted by: EarloHusk, Saturday, July 19, 2014, 8:38pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from EarloHusk


I read the Nomad stuff over and over (I benefit from repetition) and got it stuffed in my head good. Now I just got to repeat that with all the Explorer stuff and push the Nomad stuff out.


Yesterday, I entered my Jaw angle and Head measurements for the first time (didn't think they mattered all that much), and was still an Explorer. Didn't think anything of it. Didn't expect a change.

This morning, I noticed that Explorer was still selected, and checked Determine My Type. I keep forgetting that it once it determines the type, it selects it, and that's going to be my type until I tell it to determine my type again.

Came up Nomad. Cool. Feels much more comfortable now. The book says I'm Nomad. Swami agrees. If I remove the head measurements, Swami has me as a Gatherer. If I remove both the head and jaw info, I'm an Explorer. Didn't expect that, at all. But I'm fine with being a Nomad.  

I do have Explorer pills on order. Thought I was an Explorer for like a day or so. Bad time to order pills. Not sure how this gets handled, but I'ld rather have Nomad pills now.


Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, July 19, 2014, 8:41pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from EarloHusk
I do have Explorer pills on order. Thought I was an Explorer for like a day or so. Bad time to order pills. Not sure how this gets handled, but I'ld rather have Nomad pills now.

Congratulations on coming back to Nomad... Did your diet change much with the changes?

Call customer service and ask...
Posted by: EarloHusk, Saturday, July 19, 2014, 9:07pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from ABJoe

Congratulations on coming back to Nomad... Did your diet change much with the changes?


It was actually a big deal: I have several more superfoods in every category, and they are the foods I would happily eat (some of the listed foods I've never heard of, and I ain't eating them).

Very happy with the Nomad diet superfoods.

I'll call customer service on Monday.

Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, July 19, 2014, 10:55pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from EarloHusk



Came up Nomad. Cool. Feels much more comfortable now. The book says I'm Nomad. Swami agrees. If I remove the head measurements, Swami has me as a Gatherer. If I remove both the head and jaw info, I'm an Explorer. Didn't expect that, at all. But I'm fine with being a Nomad.  

I do have Explorer pills on order. Thought I was an Explorer for like a day or so. Bad time to order pills. Not sure how this gets handled, but I'ld rather have Nomad pills now.




Yep, sounds like you have it figured out. I'm sure NAP will work with you on the order.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 1:27am; Reply: 34
Quoted Text
If I remove both the head and jaw info


what do you mean by remove?
you mean change the measurements?

swami would not compute without those
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 4:12am; Reply: 35
Quoted from Lola


what do you mean by remove?
you mean change the measurements?

swami would not compute without those


Head measurements I remove by backspacing until they are gone.
Jaw Angle I just selected "Optional Field"

On my Swami Xpress, these are in black letter (for optional). Others are in red (for required).

Seems to compute just fine without this info.

We have different Swami?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 4:16am; Reply: 36
yes, I believe I have the pro version for my clients..... :)

why don t you try again adding the info and let it compute your GT for you

here s a great video  
https://www.youtube.com/v/x3_5ZM7F5Y4?fs=1&autoplay=1&rel=0
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 4:29am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Lola


why don t you try again adding the info and let it compute your GT for you


I went back and re-read what I wrote and I had worded that part poorly. I had re-enter the head and jaw info, and I did let it compute for me, and it came out Nomad, which was perfect.

Given that jaw and head info can take me from Explorer to Gatherer to Nomad, it (in my case) was pretty important, and it would have been better for me had the information been required rather than optional. But no matter, the info is in there now.

I'm likely going to let it select my type whenever I give it new information in the future, just to see what happens. I wish "let it select my type each time" was an option, but it's hard to complain -- I do like the results.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 5:15am; Reply: 38
;D
Posted by: san j, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 5:28am; Reply: 39
If you use the Genotype book, you need your secretor status in order to use the "Advanced GenoType Calculator Table" in the Appendix.

According to that:

As a B+ male secretor, these are the odds you're of each respective genotype:
Nomad: 9/12
Gatherer: 3/12
Explorer: 0/12.

As a B+ male non-secretor:
Nomad 5/12
Gatherer 6/12
Explorer 1/12.

See how crucial secretor status is? ;)
Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 3:07pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from san j
If you use the Genotype book, you need your secretor status in order to use the "Advanced GenoType Calculator Table" in the Appendix.

According to that:

As a B+ male secretor, these are the odds you're of each respective genotype:
Nomad: 9/12
Gatherer: 3/12
Explorer: 0/12.

As a B+ male non-secretor:
Nomad 5/12
Gatherer 6/12
Explorer 1/12.

See how crucial secretor status is? ;)


In the book, in my case, both secretor and non-secretor came out to Nomad, so I figured to save some money and not test for secretor status.

In Swami, with all my info entered, if I select secretor, I'm Nomad. If I select non-secretor, I'm Explorer.  

May have to breakdown and determine my secretor status after all.
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 3:32pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from EarloHusk


In the book, in my case, both secretor and non-secretor came out to Nomad, so I figured to save some money and not test for secretor status.

In Swami, with all my info entered, if I select secretor, I'm Nomad. If I select non-secretor, I'm Explorer.  

May have to breakdown and determine my secretor status after all.


I think this would be a good idea. Both Explorers and non-secretors have certain health "difficulties" that can be addressed through targeted dieting. I'm hoping that you are a Nomad secretor, but would recommend exercising caution if you are not...

Posted by: EarloHusk, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 3:49pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Averno


I think this would be a good idea. Both Explorers and non-secretors have certain health "difficulties" that can be addressed through targeted dieting. I'm hoping that you are a Nomad secretor, but would recommend exercising caution if you are not...



I just now ordered the secretor status kit. I am indeed working (these past 4 years) through a health "difficulty". Trying everything, so to speak. May as well do this right :)
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, July 20, 2014, 4:25pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from EarloHusk


I just now ordered the secretor status kit. I am indeed working (these past 4 years) through a health "difficulty". Trying everything, so to speak. May as well do this right :)


Well, if you're inclined... the folks on this board can be a great asset. Pretty much everything gets discussed.
Posted by: EarloHusk, Monday, July 21, 2014, 2:02am; Reply: 44
Quoted from Averno


Well, if you're inclined... the folks on this board can be a great asset. Pretty much everything gets discussed.


Good to know. Might come in handy when my Polyflora B arrives. My last adventure with probiotics landed me in the ER 3 times from trying it once. 42 days wearing a catheter. Kind of put me off probiotics for awhile.

I figure if I can handle Polyflora B, then there really must be something to this blood type theory.

I did a bit of analysis on the probiotic that "got" me. It was a dozen of so different strains. Something from Polyflora A, AB, B, and O. Basically, I was mostly taking the wrong probiotics. In my case, my prostate was upset. Very.

I have a plan in place if things so south, and looking forward to this. Would be very cool if I can take probiotics.
Posted by: Averno, Monday, July 21, 2014, 3:07am; Reply: 45
Start slowly with the Polyflora, just to be on the safe side. Sounds like a substantial adjustment is in order. Blood type specific probiotics are by far the best approach to balancing your gut, but there is clearly more going on here. If you're being treated for a serious GI or prostate condition, it would be wise to contact an IFHI practitioner to work out an integrative course of action.

http://www.generativemedicine.org/ifhi/memberlist.pl
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, July 21, 2014, 3:43am; Reply: 46
Definitely introduce supplements slowly if you get major reactions like this...  
Posted by: EarloHusk, Monday, July 21, 2014, 3:54am; Reply: 47
Quoted from Averno
Start slowly with the Polyflora, just to be on the safe side. Sounds like a substantial adjustment is in order. Blood type specific probiotics are by far the best approach to balancing your gut, but there is clearly more going on here. If you're being treated for a serious GI or prostate condition, it would be wise to contact an IFHI practitioner to work out an integrative course of action.

http://www.generativemedicine.org/ifhi/memberlist.pl


I'm not being treated. Or, I'm treating me. I was a mess 4 years ago (Ulcerative Colitis) and two years ago (enormous prostate), but I now smoke cigarettes (4 a day) for the Ulcerative colitis and avoid probiotics for the prostate problem. I honestly don't seem to have any problems, except my body does go nuts if I ingest something that offends my body (also known as avoids).

The good news is that I know a great deal about what has worked and what hasn't worked. I found the pills I was prescribed for my ulcerative colitis and prostate problem to have been much less effective and much more dangerous than simply changing my food choices. I was encouraged to just keep eating what I was eating, and take pills for whatever problems I had. Seemed just stupid to me, and I've lost all faith in medical science. Unless I get a broken leg -- they are real good at fixing that.

Nomad has all my known problem foods as avoids and all the Nomad superfoods I've tried don't bother me at all -- hence my fascination with being a Nomad.

I will be taking the Polyflora B in slow, gradual increments, and I can now cath myself if my prostate goes nuts while I'm figuring out whether I can handle it, or not.

I'm not against working with a naturopath to sort things out, I just don't have the financials to support that sort of thing. And, I am on it myself all day anyway.

Anyway, should be interesting.
Posted by: EarloHusk, Monday, July 21, 2014, 3:54am; Reply: 48
Quoted from ABJoe
Definitely introduce supplements slowly if you get major reactions like this...  


You betcha. I'm all caution, here.
Posted by: Averno, Monday, July 21, 2014, 12:21pm; Reply: 49
It sounds like you have a good handle on this.  :)
Posted by: EarloHusk, Monday, July 21, 2014, 9:10pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from Lloyd


Yep, sounds like you have it figured out. I'm sure NAP will work with you on the order.


NAP understood completely. Holding on to my Explorer pills until the Secretor test results are known. I may need them :)
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