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Posted by: Patty H, Friday, June 20, 2014, 11:16am
I have been experiencing some pain in my hands, fingers and feet which I believe is from the onset of arthritis.  My new naturopath recommended I include turmeric in my diet to help combat the inflammation, which will also help to keep heart disease at bay.  Given my significant family history of heart disease, inflammation is not good.

About three years ago I had IgG testing and found out that the only thing I reacted "highly" to was curry.  I was online last night looking at theracumin supplements to purchase and found out that turmeric is what gives curry its color.  The main ingredients in curry are turmeric, coriander and cumin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry

The last thing I want to do is to consume something that is going to add to inflammation rather than help it.  As we are all individuals, maybe turmeric is not so good for me?  I was tested for cumin and had a "very low" reaction.  I was not tested for either coriander (cilantro) or turmeric.

I have emailed my NP and thought I would also put this out to the forum members for their input.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  I don't want to spend a lot of money on theracumin only to find that it is increasing rather than decreasing my inflammation  :o
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, June 20, 2014, 11:24am; Reply: 1
You could make your own curry sans turmeric. Many of us make our own curry mixes. Mine uses lots of ginger but no cumin (I add later if I want it.)

Check with your ND - it may be the turmeric they are trying to get you to consume!
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, June 20, 2014, 11:42am; Reply: 2
Yes - it is the turmeric she wants me to consume to reduce inflammation.  However, my concern is that turmeric is one of the three main ingredients of curry - to which I had a very high IgG reaction.  I was not tested individually for either coriander or turmeric.  I had a very low reaction the the third component of curry, cumin, so I am wondering if it is either the turmeric or cilantro.

At the time of my IgG testing, I had pretty much eliminated coriander and cilantro because of my metals toxicity but I had added turmeric and was consuming it almost daily in both food and capsule form.
Posted by: Lin, Friday, June 20, 2014, 1:40pm; Reply: 3
Hi Patty,
the IgG testing often is temporary due to eating a particular food on a regular basis while having gut problems.  I had the same as you tested sensitive IgG to about 18 food in 2003.
They tellyou to take a break for 3 to 6 months then add the food back one at a time to see how you react.  
I've been able to add back a number of the foods I had to take a break from.
Lin
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, June 20, 2014, 1:54pm; Reply: 4
Hi Lin,
The problem for me is that I do not feel the negative effects.  I rarely have stomach/intestinal issues, so how is one to tell?  Even when I eat curry I feel fine but obviously my body does not like it  ??)
Posted by: Mickey, Friday, June 20, 2014, 2:33pm; Reply: 5
PattyH,

Can you have another IgG test for turmeric and coriander?.  To bad the first test wasn't more clear as to what components of curry are bad for you, not all curry's are the same.  I know alot of them have more than the 3 ingredients that you mention.   I know the one i use also has fenugreek and several other ingredients which i can't remember because i buy from the bulk section so i don't have the packaging.
Posted by: maukik, Friday, June 20, 2014, 5:37pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Patty H
Hi Lin,
The problem for me is that I do not feel the negative effects.  I rarely have stomach/intestinal issues, so how is one to tell?  Even when I eat curry I feel fine but obviously my body does not like it  ??)


Maybe the negative issues for you are the symptoms you mentioned in the initial post - arthritis like. Negative issues for me often come in achy joints.

Posted by: Lin, Friday, June 20, 2014, 6:10pm; Reply: 7
Patty,
As Mickey suggests you might need to retest for the sensitivities if you can afford to.
And as Maukik says the "arthritis" may be your symptom.  Before I changed my diet I found many of my joints were stiff and a bit puffy.  The Doctor at that time told me toxins collect around the joints.  You may also have the begining of arthritis but good to consider this might also be a symptom for you.
My daughter as a teenager had started doing gluten free diet, and on a week off while visiting with her cousin and eating wheat bread, she gained 5 lbs and her fingers got a little stiff and achey. Once she went back to GF it went.  Having said that I think different foods can cause this.
Lin
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, June 20, 2014, 6:30pm; Reply: 8
How about you buy some turmeric in the supermarket spice section? Ingest that for a few days (in foods) and see how your body responds. If it helps, you can spend more money to buy it in pills if you prefer taking it that way. If it doesn't help, you've only spent $3 or $4 trying it.
Posted by: misspudding, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 12:28am; Reply: 9
Sometimes, spices are combined with starch (if they're in a blend). Try getting just the pure turmeric. If your doc is trying to get you to do curcumin because of the antiinflammatory properties, you might look for a supplement, as they're standardized to the active ingredient (like 95% active ingredient, and 5% what's regularly found in turmeric).

Keep in mind, turmeric is actually really high in salicylates. You might be sensitive to the whole root (which contains the salicylates) and not so much the active antiinflammatory component. Good luck!
Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 4:06am; Reply: 10
Hi Patty H

I'm with Ruthie, I'd buy some ground turmeric and give that a try in the first instance. Like the others have already said, curry is a very generic term and can mean many different spice combinations. I'm not sure what the case is in the US but here in Europe and in Australia too store bought curry powders often also contain things like pepper, mustard, chilli, even cinnamon and star anise (in addition to the three spices you listed). So there could be any number of antagonists on your IGG test results.

Good luck.

Andy
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 12:37pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from maukik


Maybe the negative issues for you are the symptoms you mentioned in the initial post - arthritis like. Negative issues for me often come in achy joints.



Unfortunately, the arthritis is a new symptom, not more that six months old.  The IgG test was done in 2011 when I had zero symptoms.
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 12:39pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from ruthiegirl
How about you buy some turmeric in the supermarket spice section? Ingest that for a few days (in foods) and see how your body responds. If it helps, you can spend more money to buy it in pills if you prefer taking it that way. If it doesn't help, you've only spent $3 or $4 trying it.


I do have turmeric from the local health food store.  I am a bit reluctant to use it right now because I don't know what component of curry I reacted to.
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 12:41pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Mickey
PattyH,

Can you have another IgG test for turmeric and coriander?.  To bad the first test wasn't more clear as to what components of curry are bad for you, not all curry's are the same.  I know alot of them have more than the 3 ingredients that you mention.   I know the one i use also has fenugreek and several other ingredients which i can't remember because i buy from the bulk section so i don't have the packaging.


Possibly, although I did talk to my ND about retesting my IgG and she does not believe that is the most pressing issue at this point in time.
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, June 21, 2014, 12:48pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Lin
Patty,
As Mickey suggests you might need to retest for the sensitivities if you can afford to.
And as Maukik says the "arthritis" may be your symptom.  Before I changed my diet I found many of my joints were stiff and a bit puffy.  The Doctor at that time told me toxins collect around the joints.  You may also have the begining of arthritis but good to consider this might also be a symptom for you.
My daughter as a teenager had started doing gluten free diet, and on a week off while visiting with her cousin and eating wheat bread, she gained 5 lbs and her fingers got a little stiff and achey. Once she went back to GF it went.  Having said that I think different foods can cause this.
Lin


I have cut out a couple of avoids to see if the arthritis symptoms go away.  Once I have done that for a while, maybe I should add turmeric back in to see if I have any symptoms.  My only concern is that when I did the IgG testing in 2011, I was totally symptom free and curry was the only food on the entire test to which I had a strong reaction.  I had a milder reaction to some beans (kidney and one other I cannot remember) and then a few very mild reactions to things like sardines and oysters (which I LOVE  :'()

It is difficult to assess what was meant by CURRY on the IgG testing, which is why I only listed the most basic ingredients above.  The IgG testing did not specify the mix of spices they consider to be curry - just curry.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 12:58am; Reply: 15
Ok - so I have an update on what the curry was considered with my IgG testing and I find this very difficult to believe!

CURRY blend contains: coriander, fenugreek, cumin, black pepper, turmeric, celery seed, nutmeg, cloves, onion, red pepper, ginger and bay leaves.

I have been individually tested for: cumin, black pepper, nutmeg, cloves, onion, ginger and bay leaf and all of those came out as either none detected or Very Low.

Which leaves:  coriander, fenugreek, turmeric, celery seed and red pepper for which I have not been tested individually, so at least that narrows it down.

Unfortunately, it appears they do not test individually for the above spices.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, June 26, 2014, 5:37pm; Reply: 16
I would still try the turmeric by itself. I think that, if it causes you any negative reactions, it would do so within a few days. If it's helping, it would probably take longer than that for the anti-inflammatory effects to start working.

I see no point in testing yourself for coriander, fenugreek, celery seed or red pepper, unless you have a specific need to use one of them. But right now, the turmeric *might* be problematic or it *might* be beneficial, so you may be hurting yourself by not taking it. That, IMO, makes it worth the risk of testing it.  The worst that can possibly happen is that you'll feel worse for a few days and then need a week or two to detox from it. But if you don't react, it may be an important addition to your supplement routine.
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