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Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:39pm
Personalized LIving magazine just prompted me to investigate how Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome alters number of good bacteria in the gut. I found through Dr. Kalish's webpage it goes 3 ways: stress and bad carbs and too many carbs altogether break down the gut and harbor bad bacteria.

As a Nonnie I've had to start with low doses of adrenal fatigue supplements and work my way up to a stronger dose if I'm knocked "off balance" - and I do see improvement. But what I am worried about too is the amount of weight I carry. i see other people enjoying BTD weight loss within a period of 6 months of steadily doing it, and wish I could, too.

I've noticed my body is still choosing to ingest a pretty good slug of yoghurt the day after I ingest my worst avoid - wheat. I've been thinking what it "feels like" for that avoid to be nagging me in the first place. If yogurt "after" the avoid is part of the cleanup damage -- why wouldn't probiotics BEFORE the "nagging urge" ward off the sickness to begin with?????

So probiotics vs. fermented foods kinda fluctuate back and forth in an A Explorer Nonnie SWAMI as far as being recommended. A's are encouraged to "small amounts of fermented foods" yet are not supposed to overdo on milk products because they are not a B. And personally my gut does not care and really enjoys my neutral yogurt for probiotics and black dot sour cream for missing amino acids!! Calories.....calories.....but then back to Dr. Kalish's warning: too many carbs, too much damage. Yogurt is one of those queer carbs that can also be a light protein.

...does anyone want to give me a clearer example of what probiotics and fermented foods have done for them, and what kind of balance they use between the two? I really appreciate all examples you can give. And I wish I could look inside myself with an x ray and see why I am not shedding any weight.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 7:03pm; Reply: 1
you also might add another mushie called Pleurotus ostreatus ... ;) or justamente only *Bioflorin* ??) ;) :D... and then come along and take notice of the info's  from Dr. D. that all bt's have different *actors inside our guts * ;) ;D...(smarty)(whistle)(goofy)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:12pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Seraffa
But what I am worried about too is the amount of weight I carry. i see other people enjoying BTD weight loss within a period of 6 months of steadily doing it, and wish I could, too.

I've noticed my body is still choosing to ingest a pretty good slug of yoghurt the day after I ingest my worst avoid - wheat.

And I wish I could look inside myself with an x ray and see why I am not shedding any weight.


It sounds like eating avoids is the answer to why you are not shedding weight.  Avoids do also prompt cravings for other foods that are not encouraged for us to eat, so it's an ongoing loop.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:24pm; Reply: 3
They sure do eh?!
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:45pm; Reply: 4
As usual, Victoria is right on! There is no way around it - you gotta behave!
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:51pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Spring
As usual, Victoria is right on! There is no way around it - you gotta behave!
And well said Spring!!

Posted by: Seraffa, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:19am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Possum
And well said Spring!!



He he. Some chocolate, Possum?  :)
Posted by: Seraffa, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:25am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Amazone I.
you also might add another mushie called Pleurotus ostreatus ... ;) or justamente only *Bioflorin* ??) ;) :D... and then come along and take notice of the info's  from Dr. D. that all bt's have different *actors inside our guts * ;) ;D...(smarty)(whistle)(goofy)


The oyster mushroom is a black dot for me. *frown*
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:30am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Seraffa
He he. Some chocolate, Possum?  :)
Yes please!!! A diamond for me :D

Posted by: Seraffa, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:35am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Victoria


It sounds like eating avoids is the answer to why you are not shedding weight.  Avoids do also prompt cravings for other foods that are not encouraged for us to eat, so it's an ongoing loop.


To me, it wouldn't seem so, because I don't eat them every day.I eat them when I'm sleep-deprived after the third day of lessening sleep....or if they are mixed into my food by mistake when I'm out in the world. I had to address my sleep deprivation recently.

It also took me uncovering the fact I have some kind of adrenal problem for YEARS to find out the root cause of my bulimia. Now with adrenal fatigue, adrenals, thyroid and possibly gonad are all somewhat out of balance and have to be re-set starting with the adrenals.

I'm thinking the more liberal use of probiotics could speed the gut healing that has to go hand in hand with adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to find out what the proper balance of probiotics and fermented foods would be. How many doses? for instance, Spring I think said in one thread long ago she takes them every day.

Past 2 months saw a dramatic shift for me away from cheese towards yogurt - meaning, body is asking for probiotics.

heck - it's either this or I've got my secretor status wrong - as was Goldie's case until recently!
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:44am; Reply: 10
Quoted from Seraffa
To me, it wouldn't seem so, because I don't eat them every day.I eat them when I'm sleep-deprived after the third day of lessening sleep....or if they are mixed into my food by mistake when I'm out in the world. I had to address my sleep deprivation recently.

It also took me uncovering the fact I have some kind of adrenal problem for YEARS to find out the root cause of my bulimia. Now with adrenal fatigue, adrenals, thyroid and possibly gonad are all somewhat out of balance and have to be re-set starting with the adrenals.

I'm thinking the more liberal use of probiotics could speed the gut healing that has to go hand in hand with adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to find out what the proper balance of probiotics and fermented foods would be. How many doses? for instance, Spring I think said in one thread long ago she takes them every day.

Past 2 months saw a dramatic shift for me away from cheese towards yogurt - meaning, body is asking for probiotics.

It sounds like a combination of things...

I know that I essentially stopped healing if I ate 1 avoid a week at the beginning.  The body just had so many things wrong that it couldn't take even a little avoid intake.

I also had to work through healing all of the body systems, so tackling the one demanding the most attention at the time was the only way I could do it.  Fortunately, I had a practitioner to guide me during the early going.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:51am; Reply: 11
I agree ABJoe - I find there are sooo many possible avoids in bought food for us nonnies and they can take days to work out of your system (as I think you have stated?)
You seem to have to buy food most days you are out, so you may well have some level in your system a good percentage of the time?!
Seeing as sleep deprivation is also a big contributor to weight gain (&/or failure to lose)I think that would be a big area I'd focus on too? What *foods are you not getting, or activities are you engaging in prior to bed, that might be contributing to lowered levels of serotonin etc
Does craving yoghurt necessarily mean your body is recognising a need for probiotics? Or is it the right fats it is looking for? *Maybe a small amount of the right cheese &/or carbs prior to bed would help you sleep?
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:41am; Reply: 12
Interesting....I'll copy and paste all that. thanks
Posted by: Damon, Monday, April 7, 2014, 3:07pm; Reply: 13
Prebiotics are more important than probiotics!

As long as your gut is a nice environment to the beneficial microflora they will stay and reproduce, and there's no need at all to consume any of them.
Posted by: Averno, Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:32pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Damon
Prebiotics are more important than probiotics!

As long as your gut is a nice environment to the beneficial microflora they will stay and reproduce, and there's no need at all to consume any of them.


Damon, is the nice environment you're referring to an already balanced microbiome? As a starting point, wouldn't it be best to both reduce the conditions that promote the overgrowth of non-beneficials, while assisting in the re-colonization of healthy bacteria? Try as we might, we can't always keep the bad guys in check with dutiful adherance to healthy eating.
Posted by: Spring, Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:46pm; Reply: 15
We have to retrain our thinking because our bodies depend on us to think for them! So I try to think like this: So I have lost a lot of sleep - what in the world would I be thinking to dump an outright avoid on my poor body when it is CRYING for support that I am turning a deaf ear to - maybe we need to concentrate on trying to LIKE our bodies more so we will take better care of them. No doubt about it, if we do that we will be doing ourselves a wonderful favor!

As for your question, this nonnie is taking two in the AM and two in the afternoon if I don't get busy and forget.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 3:46am; Reply: 16
17  ;D
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 4:16am; Reply: 17
Depending on the issues one is facing internally, sometimes a combination of probiotics and fermented foods may be a good idea.
Also, some deep intestinal cleansing may help, as I am currently doing again, before the probiotics are to begin, as they need a clean slate/healthy intestines first, which means detox/cleansing with herbs/clay/charcoal, and juices, raw foods to support the process.
The fermented saukraut/veggies also add fibre, very important for a lazy/sluggish weak bowel.
A multi strain probiotic may also add several different strains of beneficial bacteria and other ingredients to help the good bacteria flourish.
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