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Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 2:46am
Os and As, for instance, may have to seriously limit their use of entire food-groups, but the B range of Beneficials is wide. When you add Neutrals into the mix, the B's challenge is to find more "principles" that guide one's choices. Maybe we Bs would, more than those of other types, do well to consider blending systems.

When I am not feeling well, my intuition is pretty dern sharp to discern what I need to avoid and what I feel best eating/drinking. And lately I find myself reaching for and gravitating toward what Ayurveda prescribes (more or less) for me.

Back in 2008 and 2009, Ayurveda was the system I chose to help me navigate the Bloodtype vs. Genotype Divide. And now it's helping me again to fine-tune my Bloodtype adherence. I seem to need to leave the box in order to sort and file on the open carpet, if you will -- organize the outline -- before returning regrouped.

For those of you who aren't Type B, understand that the B World can be pretty much "Open Country" when it comes to our food choices. Those of other types often say they wish they were B.

Ayurveda sits right with me in a lot of ways. I click with it; it is comprehensive of my relationship with spices, my consciousness of food qualities through its "Six Tastes" and the temperatures and textures of various foodstuffs and cooking methods.

I'm eclectic about everything else; why not Diet too?  :D ;) ;D

Posted by: Juliebug, Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:25am; Reply: 1
This is very interesting... I too was following ayurvedic practice before BTD. There are many similarities with my ayurvedic diet- too much Kapha is also A type. The BTD has really helped me to fine tune things. I had hit a wall with ayurveda and now I am progressing better than ever... They are closely intertwined but now because of the BTD I have a much better understanding of "why" my body wasn't functioning properly. I still use many of my ayurvedic herbs and teas but also many of Dr. D's products.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:33am; Reply: 2
I'm not sure what Ayurveda system really is, but use my knowledge herbs, spices with my Swamix. I don't see why you can't use other system, I just keep to the food choices given to me by my swami. I really find D'Adamo, BTD easy to work with, unless of course your an O trying to be an A.
Posted by: Seraffa, Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:35am; Reply: 3
Sounds good to me. :)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it - yet.
Then when it breaks you have 2 tool sets. :)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 21, 2014, 5:51am; Reply: 4
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Peter D'Adamo factored into calculations.... As such their effects would not
be absolute. Obviously, if they were, you'd have the SCD. There are lots of other food systems that factor into SWAMI as well, even values for Ayurveda and
Traditional Chinese Medicine. Most of the time the effect is more of a 'water-color' than a 'palette-knife.'


http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_8.asp#product
Bringing Ayurveda Into the Age of Epigenetics

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Peter D'Adamo One botanical that appears to interact with Ghrelin is Dolichos biflorus (horsegram, 'Kulattha' in Ayurveda). Interestingly the lectin
from Dolichos is traditionally used in hematology to distinguish
between the A1 and A1 variants of blood group A.

My goal is to give as many options to depict the situation as possible. From drugs to genes to ICD9 codes Ayurveda to whatever.
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:10am; Reply: 5
Quoted from deblynn3
I really find D'Adamo, BTD easy to work with, unless of course your an O trying to be an A.

??)
I've been acquainted with this work for 17+ years. That translates into different life stages.
And I'm, as I explained (and my avatar shows), of type B.
No B's have responded -yet- but this type's diet has far fewer Avoids than other types are assigned, and virtually no forbidden "food groups". So sometimes refinement has to come from the combining of one's intuition with a system/ tradition that resonates with that intuition. In the past Ayurveda has proved a good fit. We'll see to what extent that is true today.  :)

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, March 21, 2014, 11:14am; Reply: 6
Interesting question  :-/
I don´t know much about ayurveda ??)
but I know my body very well.

Well I have always felt as a weird mixture of O and B- funny enough with a craving for being vegetarian as well ::) but with a need for high fat dairy, not too much grains- lots of veggies -some meat/red meat mainly

IN the original B diet
I felt the meat types where wrong for me( i get sick from lambfat -I don´t like rabbits and poultry that much- I always felt happy and healthy eating beef/veal and maybe a little deer,
Too many grains and beans-  get tired and get blodsugar swings when I eat normal amounts of grains.
I knew a vegetarian diet was not right for me - but  was it mainly because due to the wrong oils, soy and pulses??

When I got my swami - it was a Aha moment cause there it was LOTS of different veggies and fruit
Lots of butter and dairy  ;D
and beef,veal and eggs  as superfood. ( and chocolate :P ;))

In general a pefect diet for me but with a few  :-/
-since I prefer high fat dairy, some nuts - lots of veggies a- some fruit - some meat and fish- a little grains and pulses once in a while.
I tend to lean more towards a light vegetarian diet in summertime with more fish and dairy - and in wintertime I like more heavy meals with more meat and grains.

I still need to work on my fish intake- I would love to eat more fish but my favourites are either avoids aor very expensive.

But I guess B´s are interesting course they can be rather chameleon regarding foods.

Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:10pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Lola


Bringing Ayurveda Into the Age of Epigenetics




Just pointing out that if a person gets there SWAMI from a practitioner, the practitioner can choose to emphasize Kapha Balancing Foods, Pitta Balancing Foods, or Vata Balancing Foods.

If the practitioner chooses, special Ayurvedic foods are designated with lambdas (λ) on the diet report.
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 5:24pm; Reply: 8
Interesting points raised!

@ Henriette: Thanks for the personal input, and as you happen to know, I have posted before about Seasonality.
Right now, it's Kapha Season (Winter and Early Spring), when even the most tridoshic (dosha-balanced) person doing Ayurveda "should" balance the season by favoring Kapha-reducing foods and cooking methods, which would involve (among other things):
- emphasizing dry, bitter and spicy foods
- minimizing sweet, sour and salty foods
- cutting out most fatty/oily foods (i.e., making this the least dairy-heavy season and, interestingly, the time of year to favor GOAT as opposed to COW dairy)
So Ayurveda is a way to traverse the wheel of the year and pass through your own bloodtype/
genotype/ SWAMI while touching all its inherent bases -- good for a chameleon like you!

@ C_Sharp: Again, I do think we B's, whose D'Adamo foodbase is so incredibly broad, probably are more likely than are non-Bs to benefit from an exogenous organizing system. SWAMI's practitioner-version should perhaps be tapped for Ayurveda and/or other such systems as a higher priority for Bs than others, for that reason.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, March 21, 2014, 5:29pm; Reply: 9
How can you figure out what your are ?
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 5:44pm; Reply: 10
Fast response, HBS!
Dosha Questionnaires are in every Ayurvedic book...
and all over the internet.
Google Ayurveda and Dosha and read about the three doshas (Vata, Pitta, Kapha) and even about their combinations (Vata/Pitta, Pitta/Kapha, Vata/Kapha - it is said that most people are multi-doshic)...

But: You know what I've found?
A really great way to get to know your dosha is to start by assuming the one most obvious-seeming Dosha and then...your intuition totally kicks in and takes over!
I've seen practitioners recommend this, too.
You can start with your current condition - if you have some Vata disease, say, and you're self-treating for it with a Vata-reducing diet/lifestyle, and as you get better, your more constitutional dosha (called "Prakrti" in Sanskrit) reveals itself...it's very cool! As the Vata gets balanced, you can see that you were really more Pitta, essentially...

So you can start with your current condition's dosha
OR
You can start with the Season's dosha
and balance for that or those...

The book that got me started was Amadea Morningstar's The Ayurvedic Cookbook, for which I'm grateful.
Another one I think you might really fancy is Judith H. Morrison's The Book of Ayurveda: A Holistic Approach to Health and Longevity, because it goes into such details as colors and sports and personality and lifestyle, and it has beautiful photos and drawings, on glossy pages, and it includes case studies, and so forth.

Both of these books contain the necessary questionnaire, of course, but the Morningstar book is the go-to for the cook -ingredient by ingredient, recipe by recipe, etc.-  and the Morrison book encompasses broader territory re: Ayurveda in one's overall life.  :) :K)

BONUS: The Morningstar book is what taught me how to cook Indian food - my favorite cuisine.
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 5:51pm; Reply: 11
PS. The above books are currently available at Amazon used for under a dollar each. Morrison's book new (through vendors) for $4.50, Morningstar's for under $10.  Prices will vary chez toi ? :)

PPS (Edit): There's a book by Jennifer Workman, I just discovered at Amazon, published in 2002, that addresses the incorporation of other systems into Ayurveda, and it includes  10 or so mentions of Peter D'Adamo's bloodtype work and recommends obtaining a self-typing kit from North American Pharmacal.
Posted by: Dianne, Friday, March 21, 2014, 7:05pm; Reply: 12
San J - Is the Ayurvedic Cookbook worth purchasing for Type O cookery?  :)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, March 21, 2014, 7:52pm; Reply: 13
You can determine your Dosha using the online test at this website:
http://www.whatsyourdosha.com/

When I took the test in 2009, I came out to be Vata-Kapha.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:33pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from SquarePeg
You can determine your Dosha using the online test at this website:
http://www.whatsyourdosha.com/

When I took the test in 2009, I came out to be Vata-Kapha.


I just took the test and I too am a Vata-Kapha, but aren't these two doshas direct opposites?



Posted by: zenphoenix, Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:47pm; Reply: 15
i tend to incorporate a lot of ayervedic principles into my swami/diet/lifestyle also.

what is really interesting is that my swami is actually very inline with balancing my primary dosha (which is vata - i have a client who is a yoga and ayervedic practitioner and she always laughs at me when i "get all vata"! I am extremely vata centric and as such i really have to focus on keeping myself grounded (ie with kapha foods etc) or i just float off into the stratosphere and get all stressed and disconnected).

I have always been one to prefer eating soups and stews and cooked veggies etc (which will help ground a very vata-centric person)...even when "everyone" tells me to eat "raw" foods, and raw veggies and salads. Those foods are so cold for me and they just charge up my vata nature and throw me out of balance.

I also have incorporated a lot of vitamin and mineral supplementation that i have learned from other sources, where the focus is on optimizing the supplementation and focusing on active forms, etc.

I also don't always follow the portions provided by SWAMI. My body does not always respond to them... they feel too rigid to me, and in some areas i am not getting what my body needs when i follow those proportions. So i adjust them when i need to and then when i feel more balanced i slide back closer to the swami portions. I have a portion-control planner that i got years ago that I love and i intuitively am drawn to it. Even with all of my moves (even to another country) this little planner keeps popping up for me... and when i am not quite in balance, this one really helps me get back on track.
Posted by: zenphoenix, Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:52pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Chloe


I just took the test and I too am a Vata-Kapha, but aren't these two doshas direct opposites?






i was told to look at it as more like a circle than a line.

Western people think of it as Vata-Pitta-Kapha (ie linear) when really it's more like Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata... etc (ie in a circle).

For example... a Vata-Kapha person may be predisposed to the mental or emotional ungroundedness of Vata and then the body tries to balance it by behaving all Kapha and gaining weight, sleeping a lot, hanging on to things, and by withdrawing away from problems and stress, etc.

Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:12pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Dianne
San J - Is the Ayurvedic Cookbook worth purchasing for Type O cookery?  :)


That depends, friend.
The answer shall be lengthy, addressing the O's obvious Meat Question as well as the equally important non-meat (dairy, grain, bean, etc.) question.
Though I go into detail here, so it's a fairly long post, this is by no means a recommendation that everyone investigate Ayurveda. If it can help someone better adapt to Dr. D'Adamo's guidelines (whether through BT, GT, or SWAMI) then I've made my contribution today.

1-3. MEAT

1. First of all, it's undeniable that Ayurveda virtually always recommends a lower animal-food consumption than a D'Adamo-adherent Type O person generally pursues. Some authors lean more toward Vegetarian diet than others; most authors are permitting animal foods these days, especially to Western readers.

What's interesting about this matter vis-à-vis Blood type is that when you mix bloodtype with dosha parameters, you discover "why" you may lean more toward a certain meat, for instance. An example from the Morningstar book might be Beef, which she declares off-limits for Pitta and Kapha but fine for occasional Vata use (There are other authors who'd remove "occasional"). The O who is Vata should not, she says, eat Rabbit, but Pittas and Kaphas may enjoy this meat. Overall, Morningstar is very much an independent, differing from the Ayurvedic pack on her food lists more than anyone else does, but still it's only slight -- see 2, below.

If an O is the type who senses s/he needs less animal food than D'Adamo recommends (and I've read such posts by many on the Forum over the years), his or her dosha (Ayurvedic profile) may reveal why: This person is probably rather Pitta or Kapha, a condition that might change when the program takes effect. BUT: No matter what your dosha, you might find this cookbook helpful in your selection of meat/poultry/fish/seafood.
All doshas include animal foods for those who use them, so we omnivores can certainly benefit from the Ayurvedic way, learning how to balance the meats with the rest of our program.

2. Different Ayurvedic authors recommend different meats (and other foods) for each dosha - not IN GENERAL, but there are certain foods where there is disagreement/variation. Typical is the white meat/ dark meat discrepancy. Some practitioners recommend dark, some white, for a given dosha. Morningstar says Kaphas should eat dark meat if they use poultry; most other authors say white meat. Sometimes you just have to experiment, or find the author/practitioner you generally trust and go with him/her, where there is more than one opinion. Again, there is controversy on relatively few items.

3. If you'd like to know whether Morningstar includes meat recipes in this cookbook, the answer is No. As a meat-eater myself, I have no problem with this - it's not at all hard for me to learn an awful lot and to incorporate meat into the meals I've been taught to prepare by her cookbook, discovering the effects of different foods (including meats) and how to best choose/ tailor the recipes.

Non-MEAT
4. O "issues" encompass far more than the meat matter. Which dairy products? How to enjoy different grains? How to master beans? The differences between oils? Sweeteners? and on and on. It's all in Morningstar's Ayurvedic Cookboook. So there's guidance on choosing your non-mainstream ingredients, and plenty of lovely ideas as to how to use them in creative/ tasty (admittedly "Indian"*) ways.

*Morningstar wrote another book: Ayurvedic Cooking for Westerners: Familiar Western Food Prepared with Ayurvedic Principles; I don't find it nearly as successful, and in it she includes an essay versus meat-eating, even though she includes meats in the permitted food lists. So she opines but doesn't pronounce.

* * * * * * * * *

My book recommendation remains: Morningstar for the practical course in cooking and in adapting your BT/GT meal planning and dish composition/ cooking methods to Ayurvedic principles.
For the broader lifestyle picture, with a slightly alternative but largely identical food list, I think Morrison is a lovely and fascinating resource, with revelations on many a page.
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:19pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from zenphoenix
i tend to incorporate a lot of ayervedic principles into my swami/diet/lifestyle also.

what is really interesting is that my swami is actually very inline with balancing my primary dosha (which is vata - i have a client who is a yoga and ayervedic practitioner and she always laughs at me when i "get all vata"! I am extremely vata centric and as such i really have to focus on keeping myself grounded (ie with kapha foods etc) or i just float off into the stratosphere and get all stressed and disconnected).

I have always been one to prefer eating soups and stews and cooked veggies etc (which will help ground a very vata-centric person)...even when "everyone" tells me to eat "raw" foods, and raw veggies and salads. Those foods are so cold for me and they just charge up my vata nature and throw me out of balance.

I also have incorporated a lot of vitamin and mineral supplementation that i have learned from other sources, where the focus is on optimizing the supplementation and focusing on active forms, etc.

I also don't always follow the portions provided by SWAMI. My body does not always respond to them... they feel too rigid to me, and in some areas i am not getting what my body needs when i follow those proportions. So i adjust them when i need to and then when i feel more balanced i slide back closer to the swami portions. I have a portion-control planner that i got years ago that I love and i intuitively am drawn to it. Even with all of my moves (even to another country) this little planner keeps popping up for me... and when i am not quite in balance, this one really helps me get back on track.

Very interesting post - Thanks!
I stressed the raw-vs.-cooked passage because it's one of the many angles Ayurveda covers brilliantly that in D'Adamo remain somewhat loose ends.

Again, the D'Adamo/Ayurveda combination is an Iron-sharpens-Iron proposition; you can increase your mileage with one by consulting the other... ;)
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:23pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Chloe

I just took the test and I too am a Vata-Kapha, but aren't these two doshas direct opposites?


Hi, Chloe.
I notice that your avatar shows you to be 42% Teacher. Maybe that'll spark an insight.

Posted by: Dianne, Friday, March 21, 2014, 10:29pm; Reply: 20
San J - Thanks for such a great, informational response. I love learning and you distilled it all in fashion that I can understand. Thanks a bunch!  :) :)
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, March 21, 2014, 10:59pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from san j


Hi, Chloe.
I notice that your avatar shows you to be 42% Teacher. Maybe that'll spark an insight.



That's probably a moot point because that percentage was from my original SWAMIx....and I have since had a Professional SWAMI done at the clinic by the shift and Dr. D ran my SWAMI....so my diet really is much more of a hybrid than before.  I feel it looks more A-like than Teacher...  Most of my dairy was removed....animal food like chicken livers moved from beneficial to neutral...so I think 42% might not be giving me much useful information.  My professional SWAMI doesn't give
me a percentage of my genotype.

Posted by: Chloe, Friday, March 21, 2014, 11:02pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from zenphoenix



i was told to look at it as more like a circle than a line.

Western people think of it as Vata-Pitta-Kapha (ie linear) when really it's more like Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata... etc (ie in a circle).

For example... a Vata-Kapha person may be predisposed to the mental or emotional ungroundedness of Vata and then the body tries to balance it by behaving all Kapha and gaining weight, sleeping a lot, hanging on to things, and by withdrawing away from problems and stress, etc.



Interesting because this test showed me to be physically more Vata and mentally more Kapha...
You really nailed it with your explanation.  Thanks :)

Posted by: san j, Friday, March 21, 2014, 11:57pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Chloe


That's probably a moot point because that percentage was from my original SWAMIx....and I have since had a Professional SWAMI done at the clinic by the shift and Dr. D ran my SWAMI....so my diet really is much more of a hybrid than before.  I feel it looks more A-like than Teacher...  Most of my dairy was removed....animal food like chicken livers moved from beneficial to neutral...so I think 42% might not be giving me much useful information.  My professional SWAMI doesn't give
me a percentage of my genotype.


I wasn't referring to the number, Chloe, i.e., whether it was 42 or something else.
The point is - if you understand the concept of Proportion, whatever the exact number, you understand how it is possible to have a constitution that Ayurveda considers part Vata and part Kapha.  ;)

Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, March 23, 2014, 4:27pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from san j

I wasn't referring to the number, Chloe, i.e., whether it was 42 or something else.
The point is - if you understand the concept of Proportion, whatever the exact number, you understand how it is possible to have a constitution that Ayurveda considers part Vata and part Kapha.  ;)



Got it....:)

Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 7:06pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from zenphoenix

i was told to look at it as more like a circle than a line.

Western people think of it as Vata-Pitta-Kapha (ie linear) when really it's more like Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata-Pitta-Kapha-Vata... etc (ie in a circle).

For example... a Vata-Kapha person may be predisposed to the mental or emotional ungroundedness of Vata and then the body tries to balance it by behaving all Kapha and gaining weight, sleeping a lot, hanging on to things, and by withdrawing away from problems and stress, etc.
Thanks for the explanation, ZP.  Yep, definitely ungrounded, here.
Quoted from Chloe

I just took the test and I too am a Vata-Kapha, but aren't these two doshas direct opposites?
That's what I wondered.  But then I thought Vata-Kapha was yet another Explorer oddity.  ::)

Posted by: san j, Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 1:44am; Reply: 26
We get some genes from Mommy and some genes from Daddy.
We acquire some tendencies from genes, some from prenatal environment, some from childhood environment, some from current environment, etc.
Some of us speak more than one language.
Some of us play more than one instrument.
Some of us had double-majors in college.
Who ever said Vata has to be exclusive of Kapha, or vice versa?
??)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 10:42am; Reply: 27
Well I am just as much a chameleon in Doshas
I took 2 different test- one in danish and the one linked here and both said the same.
Body; 4 of each dohas :-/
and mind ; 6 pitta, 3 Kapha and 3 Vata  ;)

Well I just continue to listen to my body  :K)
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 10:31pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Well I am just as much a chameleon in Doshas
I took 2 different test- one in danish and the one linked here and both said the same.
Body; 4 of each dohas :-/
and mind ; 6 pitta, 3 Kapha and 3 Vata  ;)

Not only that, friend, but take the test again next year or so, and it'll change.

In fact - though you're always of a certain blood type, always of a certain Rh group, always either a secretor or non, the proportions of the doshas changes all the time. There are Pitta times of day, and Pitta times of year, for instance. (I didn't understand this at first, either.)
Certain sicknesses/ conditions can cause a given dosha to predominate in a person, too.

Macrobiotics teaches this, as well.
Dr. D'Adamo to an extent treats of this mutability with SWAMI and with his books for various diseases, shifting recommendations based upon those diseases.

I don't see you as a chameleon, Henriette, but as an individual that no System is able to pigeonhole. Rock on, girl!  :D :K)


Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, March 27, 2014, 9:14am; Reply: 29
;D :K)
Posted by: san j, Friday, April 4, 2014, 8:13pm; Reply: 30
I just received this book in the mail:
Julie Workman's [i]Stop Your Cravings: A Customized Program Combining  Ayurveda and Western Nutrition for Achieving  Optimum Health and Maximum Weight Loss.
If you're interested in incorporating Ayurveda into your practice, you might take a look at it.
Workman refers to Blood Type several times, but she doesn't integrate it well into the body of the book -- it's more of a nod towards D'Adamo's work...
which is more than you'd see from most other Registered Dieticians.
She also deals with the Glycemic Index, Gluten issues, the "Zone", et c.
My copy was under $1, and I think I'll be making some use of it, actually.
Your Mileage May Vary.  :)
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