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Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, February 22, 2014, 10:11am
http://visual.ly/over-medicated-america-0?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, February 22, 2014, 2:17pm; Reply: 1
Last week a man aged 60 had his tonsils out.  He had an anxiety attract when he felt like he couldn't breathe normally.  He was disappointed that his doctor wouldn’t prescribe medication for that because it would interfere with his other medications.  

People turn to pills for everything – sad.
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, February 22, 2014, 4:16pm; Reply: 2
Our medical doctor who passed away a few years ago was right out of school when we chose him as our doctor. He was humble and respected our decision to do many things naturally. We had a naturopathic doctor as well. This man never acted as if he was 'God' and would pull out his medical books right in front of you if needed at the beginning and make comments that it is one thing to learn through schooling and quite another to put the theory into practice! He was not quick with the medication as well making comments that it was very common for the elderly to be on anywhere from 12-15 medications...lots of them to fix the ill effects of the other!!!  :)

Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, February 22, 2014, 7:54pm; Reply: 3
how silly can one be ??)...........(goofy)(whistle)...sorry I admit.. Peter; I didn't took the...whatever to come along with your link... but the thema made me..... :o :P

btw... we do have the same problems here... in Switzerland but no doc wants to admit that their recommendations are more then questionable.....Germany brought up a list of interactions between those medications coz they *wondered* why patients reacted in a manner like collapsing or even dying... jaminei....(think)(scared)(mad)
Posted by: Spring, Sunday, February 23, 2014, 2:23am; Reply: 4
The doctor I had been going to until that last visit, got so angry with me for not bowing down to his proclamation that I needed to take hypertension medication EVERY day, that he pronounced me as being "controlling!" In spite of the fact that I had told him repeatedly about the weakness I had from my BP getting too low. He is totally and completely controlled by drug companies. He knows I take Hawthorn with very good results, and it drives him nuts! Good!  :D  He is a transplant here from New Orleans after the Katrina fiasco. His family is highly respected there, so, naturally he is having a hard time adjusting to being an unknown.
Posted by: shoulderblade, Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:08am; Reply: 5
There are lots of disturbing leads in this article but the one that really riles me is the fact that these companies spend over twice as much on promotion than on research. This indicates that a significant portion of the public is willing to go for the quick fix'. It leans on doctors a little to keep the patient happy as well.  >:(
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, February 23, 2014, 12:34pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from shoulderblade
There are lots of disturbing leads in this article but the one that really riles me is the fact that these companies spend over twice as much on promotion than on research. This indicates that a significant portion of the public is willing to go for the quick fix'. It leans on doctors a little to keep the patient happy as well.  >:(


Taking it one step further, when and why did doctors become so concerned with salesmanship and promoting the appearance of benefit to their patients?





Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, February 24, 2014, 7:47am; Reply: 7
I also observed docs' selling to their patients bodylotion and dentifrices... ;D ;D
amazing... the didn't realized until todays that they became the slaves of biiig pharma ;) ;D...(evil)(evil)(tongue)(shrug)
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, February 25, 2014, 3:09am; Reply: 8
One thing that surprised me is the number of women vs. men on medication.  I wonder if boys on ADD drugs was added into those figures or if they are only counting adults.  So many boys are diagnosed with ADD and other learning disabilities these days vs. girls, although many girls exhibit the same signs but are not diagnosed.

I have to admit, after fighting it for many years, we did put our son on ADD meds and it helped him tremendously.  He only takes it when he needs it.  I tried all the natural remedies, but nothing seemed to help.  I often feel guilty that I waited so long.  There is my confession for the night!

However, I still do think that ADD meds are highly over-prescribed, particularly with boys.
Posted by: Dianne, Tuesday, February 25, 2014, 3:21am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Patty H
One thing that surprised me is the number of women vs. men on medication.  I wonder if boys on ADD drugs was added into those figures or if they are only counting adults.  So many boys are diagnosed with ADD and other learning disabilities these days vs. girls, although many girls exhibit the same signs but are not diagnosed.

I have to admit, after fighting it for many years, we did put our son on ADD meds and it helped him tremendously.  He only takes it when he needs it.  I tried all the natural remedies, but nothing seemed to help.  I often feel guilty that I waited so long.  There is my confession for the night!

However, I still do think that ADD meds are highly over-prescribed, particularly with boys.


No judgement here! Patty, we usually do the very best that we can and it appears to me from you say, that you did/have .... Parenting can be the hardest job on the planet at times!  :)
Posted by: dilandilan, Monday, September 22, 2014, 1:34pm; Reply: 10
when you get old,,,, you must do some athletic moves and get far from oily and sweet foods in order not to get sick
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, September 22, 2014, 5:21pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Patty H
One thing that surprised me is the number of women vs. men on medication.  I wonder if boys on ADD drugs was added into those figures or if they are only counting adults.  So many boys are diagnosed with ADD and other learning disabilities these days vs. girls, although many girls exhibit the same signs but are not diagnosed.

I have to admit, after fighting it for many years, we did put our son on ADD meds and it helped him tremendously.  He only takes it when he needs it.  I tried all the natural remedies, but nothing seemed to help.  I often feel guilty that I waited so long.  There is my confession for the night!

However, I still do think that ADD meds are highly over-prescribed, particularly with boys.


Boys are more likely to get ADHD, while girls are more likely to get ADD (inattentive type.) A child running around the room, climbing on his desk, etc, is more disruptive to  the classroom than the child staring out the window or playing with her hair. Neither one is paying attention to the teacher, and both are fidgeting, but the kind of ADD that boys get is more likely to disrupt the other students, so it's more likely to come to the attention of teachers, school psychologist, etc, and more likely to be medicated.

I still think it's irresponsible to start on medication without trying dietary and environmental changes first.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, September 22, 2014, 6:08pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Averno

Taking it one step further, when and why did doctors become so concerned with salesmanship and promoting the appearance of benefit to their patients?
The more convinced patients are of the efficacy of their medications, the more likely they'll benefit from them. ;)

Posted by: san j, Monday, September 22, 2014, 10:58pm; Reply: 13
Quoted Text
1/2 of physicians admit to routinely prescribing treatments they don't think will help.
Why? Drug companies often pay them.


Keyword: "don't".

You know what's happening during the few months you're doing a trial with a drug that your doctor doesn't think will help you?
Time is elapsing between insured Office Visits and the next trial of the next bum drug.

If you're lucky, your untreated underlying condition isn't getting more and more serious.
If you're lucky there are no consequences whatsoever to this actual ignoring that you are unwell.
If you're lucky, this compounding of your original complaint with the drug's (or drugs' mixed) side effects will not bring on an irreversible event.

These physicians would rather tee-off at a posh resort than say, simply, "I Don't Know" and phone in their referral to someone who does.
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, September 23, 2014, 11:22am; Reply: 14
I had an old school psychiatrist support me in not using any meds after being on Zoloft for 7 years, prescribed when I was 16 for anxiety from life and being 16.  The right herbs would have helped now that I know what I know, and the right foods.  Never felt better since not taking that stuff.  That was 7 years ago.  Most medications cause dependency of some type
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, September 23, 2014, 11:50am; Reply: 15
Heck even too many supps. can be bad.  Americans are over supplemented too probably!!  I recently was taking too many herbs, I felt drugged all the time, and fatigued.  Was not my true self.  I cut back and my energy levels have returned!  Now I am mainly using milk thistle.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, September 23, 2014, 8:52pm; Reply: 16
:o :P ;D(clap)(smarty)(dizzy)(whistle)(smile)(shrug)(whistle)(sunny)

never would have been aware about this very thema... always thought it wasn't enough of drugs to come along with mankind... :X ;) ;D ;D(think)
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, September 23, 2014, 10:19pm; Reply: 17
Many diagnosis were contrived by psychiatrists getting paid by big pharmaceutical.  Add adhd is just one of these jokes of a label and excuse to drug kids into compliance for money greed and control.  So is most of the other comically ridiculous writings of the DSM V.  It got big when pharma drugs could be advertised on tv directly to consumers.  It was illegal before and still is in most places.
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 12:34am; Reply: 18
I got stung by a poisonous caterpillar called a puss moth.  Made my whole arm hurt!  The sites said oral antihistamines are used to treat it.  I took one of my claratin and it helped the arm pain and chest burning.  I guess God was saying "modern medications have there use and can save lives." They shouldn't be abused.

It was on my elbow sitting in a chair under the pecan tree and got me!
Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 2:59am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Spring
The doctor I had been going to until that last visit, got so angry with me for not bowing down to his proclamation that I needed to take hypertension medication EVERY day, that he pronounced me as being "controlling!" In spite of the fact that I had told him repeatedly about the weakness I had from my BP getting too low. He is totally and completely controlled by drug companies. He knows I take Hawthorn with very good results, and it drives him nuts! Good!  :D  He is a transplant here from New Orleans after the Katrina fiasco. His family is highly respected there, so, naturally he is having a hard time adjusting to being an unknown.


Wow that is very interesting. Wouldn't the hawthorne be "controlling" the situation instead of you? LOL
Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 3:03am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Easy E
I got stung by a poisonous caterpillar called a puss moth.  Made my whole arm hurt!  The sites said oral antihistamines are used to treat it.  I took one of my claratin and it helped the arm pain and chest burning.  I guess God was saying "modern medications have there use and can save lives." They shouldn't be abused.

It was on my elbow sitting in a chair under the pecan tree and got me!


I guess it wasn't one of those little grey fuzzy triangular lumps of a worm we call "asps" here?
My mother always warned me about them but they hide in dry autumn leaves.

Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 12:33pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Seraffa


I guess it wasn't one of those little grey fuzzy triangular lumps of a worm we call "asps" here?
My mother always warned me about them but they hide in dry autumn leaves.



It was an asp!  I thought it was a leaf on my elbow, and it started burning.  It is fine today.  It freaked me out reading about it.  It said it is the most dangerous caterpillar in North America.

The burning and redness and pain were completely gone this morning.  
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 12:44pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Amazone I.
how silly can one be ??)...........(goofy)(whistle)...sorry I admit.. Peter; I didn't took the...whatever to come along with your link... but the thema made me..... :o :P

btw... we do have the same problems here... in Switzerland but no doc wants to admit that their recommendations are more then questionable.....Germany brought up a list of interactions between those medications coz they *wondered* why patients reacted in a manner like collapsing or even dying... jaminei....(think)(scared)(mad)


Do they prescribe and use more herbal medicines in Germany for things like depression and anxiety than many other places?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 7:55pm; Reply: 23
Drugs definitely DO have their uses! Antihistamines for acute allergic reactions definitely fall into the "useful" category.

As for ADHD- there truly are some kids who are more active than normal, who can't sit still or pay attention, often combined with little to no impulse control.  They're usually unhappy about the situation but can't stop themselves, and it's exhausting for the adults who care for them.

Many of these kids improve with dietary changes, but it's not always enough. Sometimes, even with  supplements, avoiding trigger foods, and re-evaluating your expectations for the child, it's still not enough. Medications can be VERY helpful for these kids (and adults!) when used appropriately.

The problem is that many kids  get labeled with ADHD because they're bored in school and it makes them restless. Plenty of others do have ADHD symptoms but would clear up 100% with dietary changes. In too many cases, drugs are tried FIRST rather than last.

I'm very glad these drugs exist for those who truly do need them. We just need to be a lot more judicious before prescribing.
Posted by: san j, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 10:35pm; Reply: 24
The gist of Dr. D'Adamo's link is The Money. Follow it: It's Beyond Beyond.
Small example:
I was hospitalized for two weeks in 2012.
The Hospital Pharmacy Bill Alone was about $140,000.00.
And that included things like $25 for a Tylenol tablet, for example,
but -obviously- some more items than that...

So while y'all are talking about your annual outpatient rx's,
consider where the Big Bucks really are.

I have a friend on a research drug the government pays the manufacturer over a million dollars a year for............For this one patient.

Like that. These are not rarities... ;)
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:06pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ruthiegirl


Boys are more likely to get ADHD, while girls are more likely to get ADD (inattentive type.) A child running around the room, climbing on his desk, etc, is more disruptive to  the classroom than the child staring out the window or playing with her hair. Neither one is paying attention to the teacher, and both are fidgeting, but the kind of ADD that boys get is more likely to disrupt the other students, so it's more likely to come to the attention of teachers, school psychologist, etc, and more likely to be medicated.

I still think it's irresponsible to start on medication without trying dietary and environmental changes first.


My son is ADD, not ADHD, so even boys can be overlooked for that.  I agree with the idea that a child who is disruptive will get the attention of the teachers more quickly.  What I found, however, is the both our kids are dyslexic.  There is no drug for that.  With my daughter, the Special Ed teach recommended drugs for ADD/ADHD even though she did not exhibit ANY of the signs.  I would imagine this would go to Dr. D's post about an over-medicated America!
Posted by: san j, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:13pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Patty H
With my daughter, the Special Ed teach recommended drugs for ADD/ADHD even though she did not exhibit ANY of the signs.  I would imagine this would go to Dr. D's post about an over-medicated America!

Agreed; this does! To a tee. What The...!
Wonder what kind of drug-recommending quota that teacher was advised to meet.  ;)
Posted by: misspudding, Monday, September 29, 2014, 6:39pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from san j
b]The Hospital Pharmacy Bill Alone was about $140,000.00.[/b]
And that included things like $25 for a Tylenol tablet, for example,


:o
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 10:46am; Reply: 28
Quoted from misspudding


:o


See that bill will cause health problems!!

Posted by: san j, Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 5:35pm; Reply: 29
This is one of the millions of pharmacy bills submitted to our nation's health insurance companies every single day of every single year. Each and every one of those pills or injections or bags of parenteral drug was priced ultra-exorbitantly. Ridiculously out-of-sight exorbitantly.

And, yes, Easy E, it is an epidemic.

I had to raise this issue of The Money here, because this is what's behind the Original Post on this thread. That chart - that cartoon - is treating of the corruption of health care that is driven by the inflated revenues these companies know they can rake in, through a rigged system.

It just so happens that that corruption trickles down to your and my little situations, such as side effects that are the results of interactions and that drive yet more prescriptions. Without those billions of little "insignificant" prescriptions, the Corrupt System can't operate. Without your hypertension or headache, the Pharma Universe falls apart.

So the $140,000.00 pharmacy bill is really not astounding.
But it's a window on what this thread is really about.  ;)
Posted by: Averno, Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 6:06pm; Reply: 30
Quoted Text
Though medication has helped countless people over the years, drug companies, in their endless pursuit of profit, now push more medications than ever before.


I'll say it again... only the patient can change this. Withholding money leverages just as much power as applying it.

Regardless of the influences in play, the steering mechanism of this machine is wielded by the very people who's supposed benefit are fueling this industry. The one threat to BIG PHARMA is public awareness that their industry feeds on symptomatic people. Education and knowledge are anathema to these types of business models.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 6:25pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Averno


I'll say it again... only the patient can change this. Withholding money leverages just as much power as applying it.

Regardless of the influences in play, the steering mechanism of this machine is wielded by the very people who's supposed benefit are fueling this industry. The one threat to BIG PHARMA is public awareness that their industry feeds on symptomatic people. Education and knowledge are anathema to these types of business models.

Educated people do get sick.
Educated people are also accident victims.
Big pharmacy bills coming in from hospitals and from people with catastrophic/disabling illnesses that they did not cause are where the R-E-A-L-L-Y   B-I-G jackpots lurk, for Pharma.

As long as we can be hit by cars -- as long as we can be exposed to toxins -- as long as we have any bio-vulnerabilities... Drugs (many of which are acutely life-saving!) will be sold and, in the current system, paid for by Insurance companies.

Making sick consumers feel guilty for that is, IMO, not The Solution. When they are in distress, and an immediate fix is available (upon which they should not necessarily depend permanently), medications can be extraordinarily helpful as a PART of a healing program.

Enlightening consumers about prevention is, of course, important - Re: that, I fully agree with you.
Huge government fines for non-participation in mandatory Insurance programs are not waived for all that education, however.  ;)

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