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Posted by: 49410 (Guest), Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:28pm
I do do do I try try and nothing has changed. I've been on this since Sept. my condition has not improved what is the point(mad)
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:54pm; Reply: 1
If you aren't happy then it's time to move on.

If you are willing to give it another try, some who could not improve on BTD have done quite well on SWAMI.

It's up to you.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:06pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from 49410
I do do do I try try and nothing has changed. I've been on this since Sept. my condition has not improved what is the point(mad)


What is your condition?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:14pm; Reply: 3
I'm sorry you're frustrated.

What exactly has your diet been like, what was it like before, and what condition(s) were you hoping to change?

Are you 100% certain you have your blood type correct?
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:36pm; Reply: 4
Have you tried any specific health protocols besides the basic diet?  Do you know your secretor
status?  Taken any supplements?  If your body is holding onto old lectin damage and toxicity (which has been the case for most of us when we began), healing can't begin until you make your body hospitable to healing.

Have you learned about Deflect?  Have you heard Dr. D speak about any of his supplements?

http://www.4yourtype.com/MEDIA_audio.asp#

I'm sorry you're not getting your expectations met with your diet..It must be very frustrating for
you.  I really think if you'd share  what you're eating and what your health challenges are, there are many people here who could help you figure out why you're not making progress. Perhaps you're missing something that an experienced forum member or moderator could recognize.

We're here if you need some help!  :)
Posted by: 49410 (Guest), Friday, February 14, 2014, 4:15pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Chloe
Have you tried any specific health protocols besides the basic diet?  Do you know your secretor
status?  Taken any supplements?  If your body is holding onto old lectin damage and toxicity (which has been the case for most of us when we began), healing can't begin until you make your body hospitable to healing.

Have you learned about Deflect?  Have you heard Dr. D speak about any of his supplements?

http://www.4yourtype.com/MEDIA_audio.asp#

I'm sorry you're not getting your expectations met with your diet..It must be very frustrating for
you.  I really think if you'd share  what you're eating and what your health challenges are, there are many people here who could help you figure out why you're not making progress. Perhaps you're missing something that an experienced forum member or moderator could recognize.

We're here if you need some help!  :)


no I don't know my secretor type. I have stayed away from everything according to my blood type, yet I remain fatiqued, inbalanced, unable to walk for long time have two dogs.  When I clean I'm exhausted, my sleep is eradict either I don't sleep, because I'm up before 12 a.m. I have to nap later, or I do sleep no napping, and wide awake unable to fall asleep. My bowels do not work anymore, I have been eating brown rice products for fibre, black eyed beans etc. I have 6" of large intestine I should not be constipated. When I am at the point of no return I pig out on chocolate chip cookies I have diarrhea  go figure. I tried this concoction someone gave me to juice to help the bowels start to move now that does not work anymore now, because I'm incredibly fatigued I lay around started to become chubby, I have an elliptical machine I used to go on it 10 min forward 10 min backward now I couldn't last 30 seconds here it is.  Sometimes I wonder  have I become hypothyroid.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, February 14, 2014, 5:16pm; Reply: 6
Started a post and lost it. Sounds like an adrenal problem.  I've had major issues (using the glove removal method) even after I was on BTD for two years.  My food in right on the money, but this has been a long term problem. My surprise quick fix was mag, I spray mag oil on my legs three times a day. (not the whole body once a day which works for many) I drink "Natural Claim" every evening. This began to help A LOT!  I've since added one polyflora (this site) every evening with water last thing. Giving the little bu**er opportunity to grow. Drink plenty of water, cut down on drying drinks.  This last couple of months I've been reg. and feel so much better.

Don't over do with the excising as an O I'm usually told to get going but with the adrenal I need to do more gentle walking. I will pick back up later this spring but will not over do. I've added weight something I don't need, but our bodies can only work on so much.

Hope something in this will help.

B best fatigue-fighting super foods are:  lean, organic grass-fed meat (especially lamb or mutton),
richly oiled cold-water fish (halibut, sardines), cultured dairy (kefir, yogurt), olive oil, walnuts, Maitake/shiltake mushrooms, onion ,berries(cranberry, elderberry) watermelon, licorice root, green tea.
I see the top on have fat, fat good for constipation.
Posted by: DoS, Friday, February 14, 2014, 5:36pm; Reply: 7
Sounds hypothyroid to me. Supplement iodine, you can take 3x the 150% serving on a bottle of the liquid dropper form, spread it throughout the day. Take some selenium, 100mg 3x a day. And then I'd probably take a multivitamin too (if they have iodine or selenium don't worry).

Very important that you try and reduce stress with, how.about stretching really well on or two times daily; yoga later perhaps and other rigerous activities.

Try and keep off wheat for now unless sprouted. Try a compliant protien shakein the morning.


Posted by: Chloe, Friday, February 14, 2014, 5:48pm; Reply: 8
If you start your day with a compliant protein shake, that should stabilize your blood sugar for a few hours and take the stress off your adrenals.....And then don't get to the point of being too hungry.  Have snacks to keep
your energy up....and make them balanced....compliant nuts, seeds, raw veggies....berries, a piece
of cheese or any compliant protein...even an egg.  Not sure I'd focus on beans and brown rice because
obviously with weak adrenals, the sugars in these foods aren't your best friend.

Make sure you get adequate protein during the day, low sugar intake.  More vegetables.  Go easy
on starch and foods that turn to sugar in your body for right now, because unstable blood sugar
is the reason you're craving chocolate chip cookies and feeling so tired.  In a state of hypoglycemia a person is unfortunately craving the worst food they can possibly eat.... refined ugar.

https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/hypoglycemia

Check out the recipes on this forum for compliant snacks and treats.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:07pm; Reply: 9
sounds like adrenals...been there...takes many months to balance.  look up herbs for adrenals. Licorice is one. Don't overexercise.
Posted by: Averno, Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:10pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from 49410


no I don't know my secretor type. I have stayed away from everything according to my blood type, yet I remain fatiqued, inbalanced, unable to walk for long time have two dogs.  When I clean I'm exhausted, my sleep is eradict either I don't sleep, because I'm up before 12 a.m. I have to nap later, or I do sleep no napping, and wide awake unable to fall asleep. My bowels do not work anymore, I have been eating brown rice products for fibre, black eyed beans etc. I have 6" of large intestine I should not be constipated. When I am at the point of no return I pig out on chocolate chip cookies I have diarrhea  go figure. I tried this concoction someone gave me to juice to help the bowels start to move now that does not work anymore now, because I'm incredibly fatigued I lay around started to become chubby, I have an elliptical machine I used to go on it 10 min forward 10 min backward now I couldn't last 30 seconds here it is.  Sometimes I wonder  have I become hypothyroid.


Esther, it looks like some obstacles remain despite the efforts you've made. Cutting out the avoids is an important step, but healing a body that took decades to break down requires that you also eat a variety of beneficial foods over time. And keep in mind that those cookies and other avoids undermine your best efforts much more at this stage than later when your body is healthy and can respond positively to an occasional slip-up.

To remedy specific injuries will require even more focus- targeted supplements, exercise, and a strong resolve to keep on track. Getting healthy is about commitment and realistic goals.



Posted by: Kevinwp, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 3:16am; Reply: 11
The Blood Type Diet is a scientific fact. So even if you think it isn't working it is working, for whatever reason your just not noticing it.
Posted by: Tom Martens, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 3:17am; Reply: 12
You can't quit now, you've narrowed things down to expose issues you never would have figured out otherwise.

You have been given some awesome ideas on what could be going on.  Attack it, stay compliant and be as healthy as you never thought you could be :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 5:54am; Reply: 13
take the test

then decide once you get your results back

the more personalized you get, the better
Posted by: 49410 (Guest), Saturday, February 15, 2014, 8:18am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Lola
take the test

then decide once you get your results back

the more personalized you get, the better


Saliva test?
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 9:57am; Reply: 15
I would advise Secretor test and MN test.

Hydration is very important for you so starting the day with lemon juice and warm water would be a good start. Magnesium twice a day. little fibre certainly none from grains.

don't drink with meals, go gluten zero for a month.

I would reduce Dairy to a minimum for a while and see how that works in case you are MM.

post a log of a typical few day of a food diary and we'll be able to fine tune a few things maybe.

all of this is workable if you give it a chance and adjust to your particular health issues.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 4:16pm; Reply: 16
yes esther

here

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TE002

you have a distributor in Canada

http://www.aboessentials.com/
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 4:27pm; Reply: 17
would some one in the USA or canada let ester know where she can get a MN blood test please.

also is there anywhere on Dr D site or a practitioner where people can get a lewis (secretor teat) for her?

failing that whet do you guys do for these tests for your swami data entry?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 4:49pm; Reply: 18
PCUK-- we buy the secretor test spit in the tube and send it to the lab.
Or we get a blood test ordered by our doctors.

Esther sounds like you need to revamp you approach loads of good suggestions.

Feeling overwhelmed is OK but you still need to take care of yourself and going back to what you where doing won't work either.

Are you taking a thyroid supplement from your health care provider? might be the best approach so you get get other things in order first.

Sometimes too many suggestions are not helpful.

Like Lola says secretor testing will narrow things down for you but you will still need to do the work.
Posted by: Seraffa, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 4:53pm; Reply: 19
Esther....get with the other B's on the board while you find out your secretor status and genotype. You sound like an Explorer  Nonnie to me. I'm sure you're not at all like my B friend: I talked to him about lectins and everything else for 4 years, he hid the fact from me that he never tried altering his diet at all, and now he's had a massive heart attack and is going to have to undergo knee replacement surgery because he can't even walk on one of his legs.

It took me 1 year of following my SWAMI to get to the roots of my bulimia to eradicate it, and to find out how - aside from my SWAMI - that certain parts of my genes are just not coded the way others' are who are even Explorers! (snps) I'm happy being a modern day Neolith now. I still have a long way to go. Just telling you that I'm 210 pounds and undergoing perimenopause tells you that I have ongoing work to do.......

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 5:42pm; Reply: 20
well get the MN test done then and do the spit test. i suspect ester is an MM in which case very little dairy or a max of  half the allowance of milk cheese, yoghurt, plus a possible further reduction if any associated illness or bowel issue.
Posted by: DoS, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 8:01pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Kevinwp
The Blood Type Diet is a scientific fact. So even if you think it isn't working it is working, for whatever reason your just not noticing it.


I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, February 15, 2014, 9:33pm; Reply: 22
Esther... would you like to be merely approached in old fashion of jewish language ..??)
How can we help you to sustain ? I know SJ's do have the most problematic approach to all kinds of changes...so far feel free to get all the needed help we all can give you of all kinds of nations, language and of course of our all genuine knowledge as being members for more then 8 and more years.... we're private personalities... but we're also professionals... so far don't feel lost in your journey in BTD/GTD...
we all have had hard times in becomeing aware about our true natur... don't give up but stay and learn to hear you body language.... ;) :D(smarty)(cool)(clap)
C'mon give another try and muchmore time to get adjusted.. and remember please... it took a certain time to your true state you're in right now... but it also needs further time to heal yourselve from the bottom up to your heart ;) ;D... :K)


shabbes shalom truly yours amiga Isa
Posted by: Seraffa, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 10:55pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from DoS


I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.


Sounds like you should move away from your environment, then, for one. I've heard countless stories about how Montana has been bad for people.

Sorry to hijack the thread there for a second, Esther!
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 1:44am; Reply: 24
If the whole diet is too overwhelming, just do the main things.  For type B that would be eliminating chicken (turkey is OK), corn, etc. & eating a lot of the beneficials.  Maybe for now it would be better to not "sweat the small stuff" as they say.  Just focus on a few main things.
I don't know your whole story. Are you getting worse since you started the diet?  It could be a major detox going on. Whatever it is, remember that we here are caring people & hope to help you.

Love & ((HUGS))!!
Posted by: Damon, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 10:58am; Reply: 25
Hi Esther,

Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.

Hence, don't expect people here to 'understand' that it may not work for you. For me it didn't work either, but that doesn't mean I didn't learn stuff. Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.

just my 2 cents
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 7:05pm; Reply: 26
I wonder if you'r actually an Explorer rather than a Warrior Damon. That would explain the need for red meat on  a semi-regular basis. Lamb is probably a healthier option than beef for you.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 8:07pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Damon
Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.just my 2 cents


condescending or what "just my 2 cents worth" lol

Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 8:17pm; Reply: 28
Even if the BTD doesn't work for you, I hope you improve your diet like Damon did.
Many processed foods have trans fats & all kinds of hidden dangers. At least try to eat fresh food, olive oil for your salads, avoid refined sweets, eat whole grains, etc.
Esther(great name!), we all wish you well in your hunt for good health.

I don't do a lots of herbs, but there may be some you may want to try.
There are lots of good food ideas without formally mentioning BTD!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 9:06pm; Reply: 29
Quoted Text
Before you act, listen. Before you react, think. Before you spend, earn. Before you criticize, wait. Before you pray, forgive. Before you quit, try. ~
Ernest Hemingway
Posted by: DoS, Monday, February 17, 2014, 5:06am; Reply: 30
Cravings are a problem that are hard to deal with when there is no incentive not too (when nothing helps).
Posted by: Averno, Monday, February 17, 2014, 5:20am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Damon
Hi Esther,

Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.

Hence, don't expect people here to 'understand' that it may not work for you. For me it didn't work either, but that doesn't mean I didn't learn stuff. Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.

just my 2 cents


While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.



Posted by: yaeli, Monday, February 17, 2014, 5:58am; Reply: 32
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I wonder if you'r actually an Explorer rather than a Warrior Damon. That would explain the need for red meat on  a semi-regular basis. Lamb is probably a healthier option than beef for you.
Thank you Ruthie for drawing the attention in the Explorer direction!!! A key to A's who love and need red meat.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, February 17, 2014, 6:00am; Reply: 33
Quoted from Averno


While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.

(clap)(clap)(book2)
Posted by: Damon, Monday, February 17, 2014, 7:17am; Reply: 34
Your reactions above are exactly what I was referring to.. Instead of accepting that perhaps the diet doesn't work perfectly for all, you all assume I must have been doing something wrong. FYI: I already tried forcing the Explorer setting in SWAMI, but then other results didn't make sense. (by the way: I got some ancestors who lived the 'Hongerwinter' so the Warrior-type actually does/did make sense)

And by the way, I'm not in it for losing weight; for me it's just about achieving optimal health.

@ PCUK's post that has been removed in the meanwhile;
Of course almost any diet in which a person commits to eating healthy, giving up all sweets, etc., is going to result in losing weight. One doesn't need to be on the BTD for that.

Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, February 17, 2014, 7:28am; Reply: 35
we need to remember: our will might be sometimes a bit  :o :-/ ::)  into a wrong direction due to psychic distortion like bulemia etc... the pics our psyche creates
due to a certain wish... that can't go well... but we need further informations about our own bodyfunctions related to our bloodtypes, dito psychepatterns should be acknowledged and worked on... our true self is free of all intentions and expectations... the observer..... :D
Don't go against yourselve but go with your true nature...so far nothing can fail then ;) ;D....(smarty)(dance)

btw. the book about habits... why we cherish them and why it is that hard to come along with... is amazingly written, here the author: Charles Duning next: *the neurobiology of luck* written by Prof.Dr. Tobia Esch...another biig eye opener... 8)
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, February 17, 2014, 8:29am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Damon
Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!
You can still PM the OP. Just a reminder.

Posted by: yaeli, Monday, February 17, 2014, 9:43am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Damon
you all assume I must have been doing something wrong.
??) Simply inaccurate.  :X
Posted by: Averno, Monday, February 17, 2014, 12:12pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Damon
Your reactions above are exactly what I was referring to.. Instead of accepting that perhaps the diet doesn't work perfectly for all, you all assume I must have been doing something wrong. FYI: I already tried forcing the Explorer setting in SWAMI, but then other results didn't make sense. (by the way: I got some ancestors who lived the 'Hongerwinter' so the Warrior-type actually does/did make sense)

And by the way, I'm not in it for losing weight; for me it's just about achieving optimal health.

@ PCUK's post that has been removed in the meanwhile;
Of course almost any diet in which a person commits to eating healthy, giving up all sweets, etc., is going to result in losing weight. One doesn't need to be on the BTD for that.

Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!


I assumed nothing. I implied that you- by stating that some- would require assistance beyond Swami to correct underlying disease. I stand by my reasoning and disagree with your statement that those who abandoned Swami did so because it doesn't always work.




Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, February 17, 2014, 1:58pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Averno

I implied that you- by stating that some- would require assistance beyond Swami to correct underlying disease. I stand by my reasoning and disagree with your statement that those who abandoned Swami did so because it doesn't always work.


SWAMI is a tool.

It helps some more than others.

If the cost of the diet is greater than the benefit (by whatever measure the user chooses to use) then the diet isn't worth doing.

It only matters what the view of the user is. If our education process helps the user determine their own cost to benefit ratio more accurately by uncovering the benefits (and the costs, such as compliance) that is to the user's benefit.
Posted by: Adam, Monday, February 17, 2014, 2:11pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Damon
Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.


As a Warrior, I don't get red meat on my SWAMI.  But, when I have that craving, I go with Ostrich rather than Beef.  Ostrich (a neutral) makes me feel good, satisfies that red meat craving, and doesn't adversely affect me.  Beef makes me go straight to the bathroom, and if I stay long term on it, I'm seeing blood in the toilet.  Lamb and Goat taste weird to me, but I can take it if I had to, but I'll pass.  Pork is poison, plain and simple.  If I have it, I'm breaking out all over my skin with inflammation, mainly around my thumbs and fingers.
Posted by: 49410 (Guest), Monday, February 17, 2014, 2:26pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from DoS


I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.
Thank you everybody. I returned to find messages, and these replies. This one is correct since I have been on this diet since Sept./12 following strictly except for the occasional binge very rare by the way. I found that I became worse than better. This is why I'm requesting a imaging test for hypothyroidism, the reason I joined this site my naturopath suggested it. In some food groups he tested me no good I stay away from these foods. All of you are extremely kind, and sincere when I find out whoops I forgot to mention I touched the left side of my thyroid gland it is sensitive. Now when all is said/done I'm returning to post thread with results this won't be for a while

(sunny)(woot)(hand)(pray)(disappointed)(huh)(shrug)(sleeping)(clown)(sleeping)(angel)LOL(think)(hehe)
Posted by: cajun, Monday, February 17, 2014, 5:29pm; Reply: 42
Good luck , Esther!
I know several people of different blood types fighting thyroid problems...all unique, of course. Many have had trouble finding a balance but once that is managed...voila! ;)
Posted by: 55853 (Guest), Monday, February 17, 2014, 6:14pm; Reply: 43
The blood type encyclopedia recommends two protocols for thyroid issues:


Metabolic enhancement

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/22.html


Detoxification

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/14.html
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 17, 2014, 8:57pm; Reply: 44
I'll just add my 2 cents.  I have been doing this diet for a long time for health reasons.  Which sound very similar to yours. But I did not rely on the diet as the only means for healing.  I have lyme disease and the diet itself is not enough to help cure it.  So...  but the diet does seem to help fuel my body better than if I was just eating whatever.

However, I think at some point just eating healthy was going to be a huge improvement over the diet I had when I first developed health problems.  These books if nothing else at least helped me to understand more about food, how it might be impacting my health and how I can maybe take steps to make and eat more nourishing food.  This is not the only place you can learn these things.  But I think any diet worth it's weight is going to be a diet that takes into account peoples individuality.  Some diets are one size fits all and that's just not going to do it.  

It sounds like there are other diets out there that address uniqueness.  Like Paleo?   I don't know.  But the fact is, there is no perfect solution.  For all I know I might have looked into another diet and it help too.  You have to do what works for you, but at the same time understand that if we are experiencing health issues that are accute, the food itself might not be enough to fix them.  Or maybe not as quickly as we'd like.  If you're thyroid is going bust, more than likely no amount of food is going to fix it.  Or maybe there is some magic bullet food on one of the lists that would fix it, but figuring it out might be the bigger issue.  

Health problems are difficult.  Especially when fatigue is involved because it makes it hard to cope.  We're supposed to eat better but the problem is all the good foods take time and effort to make.  Well, most of them.  Junk food is easy, but probably not going to help with our health problems.  

Do you eat any prunes?  I have to eat prunes and fruits daily in order to stay regular.  Pineapple.  Kiwis.  Those things have enzymes in them that help break down food.  

Anyways....  I pray you get better and you are led to the things that will make you better.  

For me swami is far superior to btd or gtd because I guess I'm just that weird.  Sensitive maybe.  Lyme disease seems to have done this.  When I was younger I pretty much ate anything I wanted with no problems.  Except for I did get low blood sugar from carbs and sugars for breakfast when I was young.  That's the extent of my health problems as a teen or child.  But now.....  it's been a nightmare of complexity of the last 7 years.  I just know eating well has helped.    
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 17, 2014, 9:06pm; Reply: 45
And Damon, for what it's worth, I frequently bring up the fact that not all A's and AB's are going to do well without red meats.  It is not a popular viewpoint though.  But I feel like when I added red meat back in regularly, it helped my immune system and vitality.  And in fact my swami says that I should eat it.  Most people would probably not believe how much mine says I get.  I've heard some O's say it's as much as theirs.  

My point is, if your swami or diet isn't lining up with your intuition about it, I would say you know your body better than the lists.  I wouldn't fret about it.   I don't eat large amounts of beef at one time.  It's usually like 2-3 ounces when I do.  A big fat steak is not usually all that good for me either.  Although to be honest I haven't tried lately.  I never did like it real rare either.  Lamb is like totally awesome for me.  I need to get some.  I can get away with eating 5-7 ounces of fish or turkey and not feel like I'm struggling to digest though.  Which would seem odd for an A or AB.  I'm guessing.  This is now.  For a long time my gut didn't work well at all and I did abstain from large amounts of any meat.  Anyways...
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 17, 2014, 11:34pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Averno
While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.
I completely agree. Maybe giving in to craving red meat (beef?) is the reason the diet "didn't work." The longer I stick with SWAMI the less I even want lamb, a superfood for me. I keep it on hand all the time and enjoy it now and then, but I don't feel desperately in need of it. And I am the person who was eating a big steak at least once per week and other beef dishes a good part of the time, in my other life.  ::)
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 7:57pm; Reply: 47
I have no arguments with that side of the coin either.  My issue was that I did cut out red meat for over a year and strangely enough, at the time I think it was a good thing because my guts weren't working well to digest.  But when I added lamb, venison and beef in once it did started working again, I felt like it helped a lot.  And those are all OK on my swami.  Lamb being a diamond and the other 2 neutrals.  Yet if you go with just a BTD, that would be a no no.  And my GTD measurements had me as a teacher which also beef and venison would be a no no.  

But I do agree.  Sometimes the thing we're holding onto is the thing that might make a difference.  I've always had cheeses and such on my list, but when I quit them, I noticed things started to work better.  I don't know if I all of a sudden became sensitive, or if I just didn't realize what it was doing when I was eating them.  But I sure do love cheese, buttermilk, yoghurt, etc etc.  Just not eating it for a while now.  
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 10:54pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from 49410
Thank you everybody. -snip- I'm requesting a imaging test for hypothyroidism, the reason I joined this site my naturopath suggested it. In some food groups he tested me no good I stay away from these foods. All of you are extremely kind, and sincere when I find out whoops I forgot to mention I touched the left side of my thyroid gland it is sensitive. Now when all is said/done I'm returning to post thread with results this won't be for a while

(sunny)(woot)(hand)(pray)(disappointed)(huh)(shrug)(sleeping)(clown)(sleeping)(angel)LOL(think)(hehe)
Good luck, Esther.  I'm glad you're working with a professional, and I look forward to hearing back from you.

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, February 21, 2014, 12:10pm; Reply: 49
Great blog on the whys of the BTD not working by Dr. D'Adamo-- hope Damon strolls by and reads it.  ;)

http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/2012/02/22/partial-stories-have-value-too/
Posted by: santina, Friday, February 21, 2014, 1:59pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from JJR
I'll just add my 2 cents.  I have been doing this diet for a long time for health reasons.  Which sound very similar to yours. But I did not rely on the diet as the only means for healing.  I have lyme disease and the diet itself is not enough to help cure it.  So...  but the diet does seem to help fuel my body better than if I was just eating whatever.

However, I think at some point just eating healthy was going to be a huge improvement over the diet I had when I first developed health problems.  These books if nothing else at least helped me to understand more about food, how it might be impacting my health and how I can maybe take steps to make and eat more nourishing food.  This is not the only place you can learn these things.  But I think any diet worth it's weight is going to be a diet that takes into account peoples individuality.  Some diets are one size fits all and that's just not going to do it.  

It sounds like there are other diets out there that address uniqueness.  Like Paleo?   I don't know.  But the fact is, there is no perfect solution.  For all I know I might have looked into another diet and it help too.  You have to do what works for you, but at the same time understand that if we are experiencing health issues that are accute, the food itself might not be enough to fix them.  Or maybe not as quickly as we'd like.  If you're thyroid is going bust, more than likely no amount of food is going to fix it.  Or maybe there is some magic bullet food on one of the lists that would fix it, but figuring it out might be the bigger issue.  

Health problems are difficult.  Especially when fatigue is involved because it makes it hard to cope.  We're supposed to eat better but the problem is all the good foods take time and effort to make.  Well, most of them.  Junk food is easy, but probably not going to help with our health problems.  

Do you eat any prunes?  I have to eat prunes and fruits daily in order to stay regular.  Pineapple.  Kiwis.  Those things have enzymes in them that help break down food.  

Anyways....  I pray you get better and you are led to the things that will make you better.  

For me swami is far superior to btd or gtd because I guess I'm just that weird.  Sensitive maybe.  Lyme disease seems to have done this.  When I was younger I pretty much ate anything I wanted with no problems.  Except for I did get low blood sugar from carbs and sugars for breakfast when I was young.  That's the extent of my health problems as a teen or child.  But now.....  it's been a nightmare of complexity of the last 7 years.  I just know eating well has helped.    



well, i'd like to say my point of view on the subject:

"it sounds like there are other diets out there that address uniqueness."

this is not it. i mean this is not a diet, this is a way to live.
this is a new conscience inside that works so we can begin to "feel" before we eat, feel the body, the symptoms, learn to write the ingredients on the lable, with attention because it's our life, not only food, it's not only that.
it's to see the blessing of nature, animals, vegetables that are available for us to nurturing us and at the same time to let us be aware of ourselves as first masterpiece of that chain.
i don't know you guys, but for me since i've been in this new dimension, all is wonderful and so interesting, to know better about how the food works inside "me" it's a really new journey every day.
sometimes after and even during my meals i stay quiet, in silence, trying to hear if i feel something irregular that can be associate with a symptom, such the heart going faster or whatever.
so, it's only my opinion. sorry Dr. D if i mistaken your "message".
we all have our goals but in the meanwhile i'm enjoining the journey and i'm so glad to share with you all that.

Posted by: Spring, Friday, February 21, 2014, 3:53pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from JJR
Do you eat any prunes?
The deal about prunes, and their effect on me is just another confirmation among so many others of the validity of SWAMI's individuality. I have never in my life understood why other people got so much benefit from eating prunes or drinking prune juice to keep regular. They do just the opposite for me, so I was not at all surprised to see that they are not one of my best foods on SWAMI! This has happened over and over again with other foods too. SWAMI was a great and wonderful confirmation of many things I was beginning to realize or suspect all along! And there were some very wonderful and beneficial surprises too! I like Santina's description of her experience very much. (smile)
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 21, 2014, 5:46pm; Reply: 52
Interesting Spring.  Isn't it funny how different we can be?  Because for me the do what is typically thought.  And they taste yummy.  LOL.  

Very well said Santina.  I think my only point is that sometimes you can learn some of those positive things through other diets.  I have read other books and diets that were not D'Adamo's that relayed very good information.  There are other diets or books that talk specifically about learning to eat more pure, healthy foods, without all the junk in them.  And the benefits of doing such.  Which I believe is an important part of the puzzle.  

But I agree that we learn a lot of GREAT things from these books that help us with our lives.  
Posted by: santina, Friday, February 21, 2014, 6:35pm; Reply: 53
thank you Spring, by the way i've just got my own SWAMIIIIIIIIIIII, oh yes i did! ;D ;D ;D ;D
i loved so much what you said/wrote about it and so, here i am.
tomorrow i'll begin with the measurements and all that! i can't wait to see the results. i'm pretty sure as you are about some other foods- like prunes in your case- ??)..we'll see.

thank you JJR, i did the same things- read a lot of books until finally Dr D and..period.i knew somewhat that he was the answer.simple as that. :) :)
Posted by: Spring, Friday, February 21, 2014, 7:38pm; Reply: 54
Congratulations, Santina!!! I was wildly shocked, as others can attest, that with SWAMI I was an Explorer instead of a Warrior!! A big seachange to be sure, but soooo relevant to what I was beginning to realize. Good luck!!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, February 21, 2014, 7:44pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from JJR
Interesting Spring.  Isn't it funny how different we can be?  Because for me the do what is typically thought.  And they taste yummy.  LOL.  

Very well said Santina.  I think my only point is that sometimes you can learn some of those positive things through other diets.  I have read other books and diets that were not D'Adamo's that relayed very good information.  There are other diets or books that talk specifically about learning to eat more pure, healthy foods, without all the junk in them.  And the benefits of doing such.  Which I believe is an important part of the puzzle.  

But I agree that we learn a lot of GREAT things from these books that help us with our lives.  


Definitely! I remember a conversation with my oldest daughter a year or two ago. She told me that she felt that BTD was interfering with her ability to eat well. I was taken aback by her interpretation; I'm so big on advising people to "focus on what you CAN eat, not on what you can't" that it never occurred to me that somebody living in my own home would have a completely different experience! She has been so focused on "avoiding the avoids"; and often on avoiding specific avoids (such as dairy) that she'd lost sight of the bigger picture. She was in school for over 12 hours each day, and often offered food that she hadn't packed from home. She found that her health and energy levels improved when she relaxed her BTD compliance. She focused on getting enough fruits and veggies and didn't worry about the ingredients in salad dressings. She got more protein, and cut back on grain intake, when she started eating yogurt with fruit for breakfast.

Following BTD 100% just wasn't working for her in that situation, at that time of her life. She may revisit that when she has her own kitchen again (she's living in a dorm in Israel right now, mostly eating cafeteria food) but that will be her decision to make.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:22pm; Reply: 56
Yep.  That's exactly where I'm at ruthie.  I struggle terribly to keep weight on.  And part of it is being so anal about it all.  That's not all this diets fault.  Because part of it is having so many sensitivities and gut issues that food got to be a scary place.  Having felt so lousy after certain things.  But now that my gut is working better, I am trying desperately to relax my craziness and be able to eat more.

And I feel her pain.  When you become more active and such, or gone from the house, the choices of how you eat becomes so much more difficult as to how healthy you eat.  Or lets say you're fatigued and have a hard time spending a lot of time and energy on food.  

After ending up the hospital for my kidney stones I was really wiped.  I was living with a stint in my ureter and I didn't have much energy at all.  And it was painfull to bend over and move around too much.  So I simplified my foods.  I started eating applesauce from a cup at times, things like that.  Easy stuff.  I found some full circle instant oatmeal.  And a couple of other things.  Shoot, I even ate the mashed potatoes from KFC a few times.  I wish I could be bold enough to eat the chicken but I'm not quite that brave.  And that might be a case where it just wouldn't be good.  Anyways.....  For me it was kind of necessity and now it at least has shown me I have a few more choices for simple foods if I need to.  

I do need to get back into eating more fresh fruits again.  Like granny smith apples.  I bought some canned Dole pineapple juice, but never drank it yet. LOL.  I still just love fresh pineapple so much.  And it's really not that hard because the local grocery store has it for sale all cored and peeled.  
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