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Posted by: BluesSinger, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 3:49am
I really need to heal my gut.  I'm following Swami but I still seem to have horrid gas, burping and horrendous bloating at times.  Since being on the Swami routine, I've lost weight and feel mentally great but my stomach has not gone down.  My waist has but my stomach remains bloated to one degree or the other.

My Naturalpath suggested that it might be a FODMAP issue but that is impossible to try and follow.  

Another site suggested Small Bacterial Intestinal Overgrowth and that makes some sense to me.

I have checked off the Digestive Issues on my Swami but yet Swami give me many foods that the Fodmap tells me to avoid or limit.

I'm so confused and supplements are not helping much.  

In reality if it will help, I can get a bit tighter with Swami recommendations like less ghee, less agave, not so much fruit, take out soy milk - which is a black dot for me, etc., etc.  

I'm not sure what else to do.  This site makes sense and the video (scroll down the page to see vid) makes a lot of sense  http://scdlifestyle.com

But to consult with them is expensive.

Thoughts? Experiences?  

thank you.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 3:56am; Reply: 1
Would you give the list of the supplements you are taking right now?
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 4:05am; Reply: 2
Quoted from BluesSinger
not so much fruit, take out soy milk
Re these two - by all means! Sugar, incl fruit sugar, promotes bacteria overgrowth.

Soy is an allergen for O, and if you don't make the soy milk by yourself, you have no way to know if it contains additives or traces of additives. I always assume it does and have stopped touching ready plant milks, incl organic, that stand on the shelves. Have you tried to prepare almond milk from almond butter at home? Just dilute it.

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 7:00am; Reply: 3
Quoted from BluesSinger
I really need to heal my gut.  I'm following Swami but I still seem to have horrid gas, burping and horrendous bloating at times.  Since being on the Swami routine, I've lost weight and feel mentally great but my stomach has not gone down.  My waist has but my stomach remains bloated to one degree or the other.

There are several protocols that you could choose from to help this issue.  The Intestinal Health Protocol, the Detoxification Protocol, or the Anti-Bacterial Protocol may all be of assistance.

I have some of the same issue that I have lost most of the excess weight from everywhere else, but the stomach bulge goes up and down depending on how much detox in happening and how well my liver / digestive system is functioning...
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 7:11am; Reply: 4
deflect, intrinsa, genoma security come to mind
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 8:03am; Reply: 5
and Fucus Plus, Gastro-D Complex
Posted by: BluesSinger, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 3:30pm; Reply: 6
I take Fucus Plus and have been taking Gastro-D complex but recently ran out.  I also take Deflect, Bromelain, Tumeric, Stinging Nettle/Quercetin, Quercetin Plus, Collinsonia Plus as well as the regular sups.. i.e. daily multi, Fish Oil, Vit D, etc.

I have taken Astragalus which is in the Antibacterial Protocol.. so I will start that up again.  A few days ago I ran out.   I'm taking Fucus Plus and doing Saunas which are recommended in the Detoxification Protocol; and I'm taking L-Glutamine and NAG which are recommended in the Intestinal Health Protocol.

However regardless of all these supp's, my gut seems to flare up, and worse recently, when I eat the foods on the FodMap list.. i.e. cherries, Okra, beans, cheese, peaches, onions, agave, etc.  and this is where I have a hard time believing that my Swami would guide me wrong when it comes to digestive issues because my Swami lists most of the Fodmap avoid foods as beneficial or even diamonds and that makes it very hard for me to want to give up these foods.

So I will start by cutting out the only black dot I have been consuming - a non-GMO, organic soy with no other ingredients and begin to really hone in on the portion sizes of the fruits which truly have not been excessive.  I have like one banana a day, maybe  1 or two dates and 1 or 2 prunes.  So you see, it may not be the fruit that is upsetting my gut but maybe the onions.  I eat a lot of onions... or possibly the onions and the Okra combined.  

Last night I had a totally fully beneficial meal - Salmon, Sweet Potato and roasted collard greens in olive oil and my stomach flared horribly.  But it may have been a flare up from the overly moderate serving of Skinny Crisp crackers I had at lunch which have beens and almond flour as their base and the meal pushed those foods from lunch down into where they could really erupt because that's what it felt like.  Does anyone know if roasted foods cause stomach distress?  I've taken to only roasting them lightly (slightly browned) due to Chloe's wonderful guidance on the Roasting Thread.

I also notice on my Swami that my allowance for Vegetable Glycerine and Stevia and chocolate are very low:   0-1 tsp per day but I use lots more than that in my teas and cooking with the only chocolate I'm getting being the Carob/Chocolate Extract from the ER4YT Store.  Do you think these items are causing a big intestinal problem?  I wouldn't think so.. but ???

Did anyone watch that video on the Small Intestinal Bacteria that I sent in the previous post and if you did.. what are your thoughts?  I'd like my issue to be simpler rather than more complex i.e. I don't want to have to cut out foods my Swami recommends even though I willing to cut back on foods if I need to.  

Thank you all so much for chiming in... I feel the gut issue is so important as it is the key to the highway to the rest of many of our health issues and even though my joints have improved immensely... they still are not 100% which to me means my gut is affecting them.  
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 4:12pm; Reply: 7
Hi BluesSinger, your thoroughness is wonderful! Impressive!!  :) 8)

Cutting out the soy may make all the difference.

For your sensitive stomach, banana has to be consumed on an empty stomach. Otherwise it may cause troubles. Banana is digested the fastest, matters of minutes, and if you take it with or after any other food it starts to ferment immediately. So banana may be one of the culprits.

I would also try to omit the onions for a while and see if there's an improvement.

I'd also bring back the Gastro-D for support, although Fucus Plus soothes the stomach greatly.

I hope things are straightened out and calmed down soon and all suffering vanish (pray) :)
Posted by: Averno, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 4:43pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from yaeli
Hi BluesSinger, your thoroughness is wonderful! Impressive!!  :) 8)



I've said it before BluesSinger, you're an inspiration!  


Quoted from yaeli


Cutting out the soy may make all the difference.



With all the stabilizers in soy milk, you'll probably notice a remarkable difference once you kick it.  I did, it was really screwing me up.


Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 5:03pm; Reply: 9
On the milk: I make my own almond milk (Yaeli suggested the almond butter version. I use a blender with nuts).  You may want to try that instead of soy. It is also possible to buy almond milk without additives.

Intrinsa seems like a good choice to me.

You may want to use polyflora to shift the biome of your gut to something better for your type.

If you are think that carbohydrate metabolism is part of the problem, you might want to look at the El Dorado supplement.

Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 5:35pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from C_Sharp

Intrinsa seems like a good choice to me.

You may want to use polyflora to shift the biome of your gut to something better for your type.


Wholeheartedly agree with the above.

You could also use extra ghee instead of or in addition to the intrinsa if that is your preference.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 6:28pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from C_Sharp
On the milk: I make my own almond milk (Yaeli suggested the almond butter version. I use a blender with nuts).  You may want to try that instead of soy. It is also possible to buy almond milk without additives.

Intrinsa seems like a good choice to me.



yes Intrinsa.. I'm going to look into that.  As far as almond milk, I haven't found one commercially that is without additives.  I found one that is close and that is what I will use when I have to travel and cannot make my milk on the road.    Can you supply the name of the almond milk that is free of additives?!  I would love to find that or have my store order it.


Quoted from Lloyd


Wholeheartedly agree with the above.

You could also use extra ghee instead of or in addition to the intrinsa if that is your preference.



I love ghee but my swami only allows me 1 tsp every few days.   :'(
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 8:17pm; Reply: 12
Some west coast almond milks:

Mineral water, almonds, salt
http://www.almondmilkla.com/flavors/

almonds, dates, pumpkin seed, maple syrup, cinnamon, sea salt
http://puresimplejuice.com/cleanse/

Water, Almonds, honey, vanilla
http://beberalmond.weebly.com/products.html
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 6:00am; Reply: 13
Ok no soy milk today and it was a pretty good day overall until dinner.  I ate onions and now I am bloated and gassy and burpie.   :-/  

Also having some very WEIRD joint pain in my right hand.  I can't remember banging my hand but I may have as I've been very busy cleaning house and cooking in preparation for a trip and my Mom coming at xmas.  I'm hoping it's not from some ingredient that is in the new almond milk I purchased at Fred Meyer by Simple Truth.  (see ingredients below)

Quoted from C_Sharp
Some west coast almond milks:

Mineral water, almonds, salt
http://www.almondmilkla.com/flavors/

almonds, dates, pumpkin seed, maple syrup, cinnamon, sea salt
http://puresimplejuice.com/cleanse/

Water, Almonds, honey, vanilla
http://beberalmond.weebly.com/products.html


Sadly C-Sharp none of the above choices in Almond Milks are available in my area.  So when I'm home and have time, I can make my own but in the meantime I found the one I mentioned above and it has the following ingredients:

Filtered Water, Almonds
Tricalcium Phosphate
Sea Salt
Gellan Gum
Dipotassium Phosphate
Xanthan Gum
Sunflower Lecithin
Vitamin A Palmitate
Vitamin D2
D-Alpha Tocopherol (Natural Vitamin E)

None of the gums are listed on my Swami so I felt I was ok there.  The only thing that looks suspicious to me is the Sunflower Lecithin.  Anyone know about this?  Is it related to Sunflower Oil as that is an Avoid on my Swami.  

Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 6:06am; Reply: 14
Other forms of lecithin (such as soy) have been said to be okay even though the oil is not. I assume that it it the for sunflower.

Ingredients listed above would be for a Silk product.  This brand is available in most grocery stores in the US.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 6:16am; Reply: 15
Quoted from C_Sharp
Other forms of lecithin (such as soy) have been said to be okay even though the oil is not. I assume that it it the for sunflower.

Ingredients listed above would be for a Silk product.  This brand is available in most grocery stores in the US.


The brand I mention in my post above is a new brand called Simple Truth.  Here in the NW there is a big chain store called Fred Meyer.. they are now producing Organic products entitled Simple Truth.  they have grass feed beef and all kinds of things.  This Almond milk is a new product.  

The Silk products I have encountered so far I have not liked.. but I'll review them again.
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 10:08am; Reply: 16
Sorry for nudging... you can still try diluting almond butter in water in the blender: no additives whatsoever, AND yummi (drool)
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 10:14am; Reply: 17
Quoted from BluesSinger
Ok no soy milk today and it was a pretty good day overall until dinner.  I ate onions and now I am bloated and gassy and burpie.   :-/
It seems soy and onions are responsible

Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 4:28pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from BluesSinger


I love ghee but my swami only allows me 1 tsp every few days.   :'(


Understood.

I'm not saying you should, only that you have the option if indeed the Intrinsa would be helpful.

It's a way to get the short chain fatty acids in larger quantity for a 'protocol' period of time.
Intrinsa has the benefit of being a (much) more pure version of what you want.

In any case I would not use larger quantities of ghee for an extended period of time. But using it that way for a few weeks is something that some (select) people would derive benefit from.
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 4:54pm; Reply: 19

Clearly the onions give you problems, but that could be due to the damage caused by the gums. This stuff is like plastic.

I would treat any gum as suspect, not neutral. Only because new ones keep popping up up to replace older ones that develop bad reputations. There is a pattern here.




Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 7:00pm; Reply: 20
Gums which are added to foods and beverages can intensify the effects of avoid foods - gumming them up, so to speak.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 7:20pm; Reply: 21
Ghee has is high in gut-healing nutrients. "Too much ghee" may well inhibit weight loss, but IMO it's unlikely to case GI problems. I would try cutting out the black dot food, and limiting the portion sizes of fruits and sweeteners. Cutting back on onions can't hurt either, as long as you're getting enough total veggies. Stevia in "larger than suggested" portions is less likely to cause problems, as it has a sweet taste but doesn't actually contain any nutrients that might feed gut bacteria. Fruit, honey, agave, and veg glycerin all can feed the "bad germs" in your gut.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, December 15, 2013, 8:43pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Ghee has is high in gut-healing nutrients. "Too much ghee" may well inhibit weight loss, but IMO it's unlikely to case GI problems. I would try cutting out the black dot food, and limiting the portion sizes of fruits and sweeteners. Cutting back on onions can't hurt either, as long as you're getting enough total veggies. Stevia in "larger than suggested" portions is less likely to cause problems, as it has a sweet taste but doesn't actually contain any nutrients that might feed gut bacteria. Fruit, honey, agave, and veg glycerin all can feed the "bad germs" in your gut.


I was only using one black dot but I'm now eating NO black dots and have cut way back on Agave except in the Chocolate/Carob Syrup and the BTD Protein Bars.  
Posted by: BluesSinger, Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 5:39pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from yaeli
Sorry for nudging... you can still try diluting almond butter in water in the blender: no additives whatsoever, AND yummi (drool)


ok.. I'm going to try this.  do I use smooth almond butter?  how much water to almond butter?

do I still need to strain it?

I made almond milk with just almonds and water today but would like a quick way to do it as well..

what do folks think about the milk made from the nuts versus the milk made from the butter?

any differences?

also keeping with the thread title.. I had a bit of healing in my gut when I was eating a lot of nuts during the day.  my stools were actually solid and regular.  I've cut back on the nuts and now i'm back to diarrhea   ???  But I'm also taking ALOT of supp's which include Caprilic Acid.  Not sure if a cleansing is happening because of that or what.  I feel fine other than the diarrhea.    I'm also back to some bad gas and some burping.  not as much as before but it seems to flare up here and there.  

A friend recommended setting an appt with this woman:   http://drlynnewalker.com

swears by her.  My friend had a belly bug that would not go away and no doc's could figure it out.  She went with this woman and got it figured out and healed.  
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 4:17am; Reply: 24
Quoted from BluesSinger


ok.. I'm going to try this.  do I use smooth almond butter?  how much water to almond butter?

do I still need to strain it?

I made almond milk with just almonds and water today but would like a quick way to do it as well..

what do folks think about the milk made from the nuts versus the milk made from the butter?

any differences?


I would use smooth (creamy) - because it may come out as a smoother milk.

It seems like the only real difference would be if the almond butter has added oil.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 12:22pm; Reply: 25
I'd go or for humic acid or for Luvos argile medicinale ;)... and I'm sure all will be gone whithin days  :D.......
Posted by: BluesSinger, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 1:30pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Amazone I.
I'd go or for humic acid or for Luvos argile medicinale ;)... and I'm sure all will be gone whithin days  :D.......


Thank you!  I've never heard of that... I'll google it and check it out.  :)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 2:38pm; Reply: 27
Is this it Amazone?

http://www.honeycolony.com/shop/humineral-immune-boost-raw-powder/
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 5:09pm; Reply: 28
yeeehhaaa...  ;)(clap)(ok)(dance)... great discovery ;) :D.. we even dont have this here in CH-landly...so far I thank you soo much for making me aware about this products.......coz more effective and even less expensive then here in Switzerland  :K) thanx a lot ...
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 5:16pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from BluesSinger


ok.. I'm going to try this.  do I use smooth almond butter?  how much water to almond butter?

do I still need to strain it?

I made almond milk with just almonds and water today but would like a quick way to do it as well..

what do folks think about the milk made from the nuts versus the milk made from the butter?
  


If I make it with the butter, it's with the smooth kind, and I don't bother filtering. I have no clue what the taste or texture would be like if you filtered the milk made with butter.

I've found that the almond milk made from raw almonds tastes like "milk" while the kind made from almond butter tastes more like almonds. I've also made it with roasted almonds (when I couldn't find the raw or I'd accidentally bought the wrong kind) and the taste was somewhere in between. It tasted like milk with an aftertaste of burnt almonds.

Some prefer the almond-y taste of "almond butter milk" while others prefer it to taste more like milk and make it with the whole almonds. It also works with almonds that have been ground or slivered or crushed- when I was making this regularly for Leah, I would buy the blanched slivered almonds because it was easier to filter (and smoother tasting) without the skins, and this way I saved myself the step of peeling the almonds. It still needed filtering.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 5:42pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from ruthiegirl


If I make it with the butter, it's with the smooth kind, and I don't bother filtering. I have no clue what the taste or texture would be like if you filtered the milk made with butter.

I've found that the almond milk made from raw almonds tastes like "milk" while the kind made from almond butter tastes more like almonds. I've also made it with roasted almonds (when I couldn't find the raw or I'd accidentally bought the wrong kind) and the taste was somewhere in between. It tasted like milk with an aftertaste of burnt almonds.

Some prefer the almond-y taste of "almond butter milk" while others prefer it to taste more like milk and make it with the whole almonds. It also works with almonds that have been ground or slivered or crushed- when I was making this regularly for Leah, I would buy the blanched slivered almonds because it was easier to filter (and smoother tasting) without the skins, and this way I saved myself the step of peeling the almonds. It still needed filtering.


Yah I like more of the 'milk' taste and my latest batch is just 'plain' with no added sweeteners or vanilla or anything and it's the best so far.  

for on the road, when i cannot bring my Green Star juicer, (which I make my almond milk with as it filters so much of the pulp out as it grinds down the almonds, I think the almond butter option would work well.  I certainly don't want the milk to taste like almond butter.. so that's a concern.  it says to use 1 cup of water with 1 tbl of almond butter.  

I also like the blanched almonds idea.  
Posted by: BluesSinger, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 5:42pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Amazone I.
yeeehhaaa...  ;)(clap)(ok)(dance)... great discovery ;) :D.. we even dont have this here in CH-landly...so far I thank you soo much for making me aware about this products.......coz more effective and even less expensive then here in Switzerland  :K) thanx a lot ...


yay!   ;D

Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 6:41pm; Reply: 32
as mentioned ;) :K)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 11:05pm; Reply: 33
This site is more expensive but offers more products and check out the practitioners list!  

http://www.humineral.com/index.html
Posted by: BluesSinger, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 3:27am; Reply: 34
this product is very interesting as well!  It seems to be combination product which also contains the Humic Acid!  

http://humineral.com/zeolite.html
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 2, 2014, 8:12am; Reply: 35
(dizzy)(oh) the zeolit thingy isn't that bad but yiikes in contrary to Luvos argile medicinale (exactly the same.... ;) ;D )... too expensive... this Luvos is here in CH-land all about some 15,-Swiss Francs and even then you can buy it in all Migros shops... so far.....(shrug)(ondrugs)(scared)(think).....I once bought Activomin 120 caps. but 86,--Swiss Francs....I also went into thsi trap ;) ;D.... :X(pick_nose)(hugegrin)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 2:49pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Amazone I.
(dizzy)(oh) the zeolit thingy isn't that bad but yiikes in contrary to Luvos argile medicinale (exactly the same.... ;) ;D )... too expensive... this Luvos is here in CH-land all about some 15,-Swiss Francs and even then you can buy it in all Migros shops... so far.....(shrug)(ondrugs)(scared)(think).....I once bought Activomin 120 caps. but 86,--Swiss Francs....I also went into thsi trap ;) ;D.... :X(pick_nose)(hugegrin)


Well I'm really hoping it will help my tummy.  Gas, bloating, burping, etc.   :-/
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 4:41pm; Reply: 37
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicinal_clay

http://www.herbsforhealing.org.uk/news/clay-newsletter.php

I don't know if the Adolf justs luvos argile medicinale is available in the USA - it can be purchased in Europe.

Bentonite is contained in Gastro-D Complex.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP042
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 2, 2014, 5:00pm; Reply: 38
btw... contraindicated: = leaky gut syndrome!!!(oh)(dizzy)(naughty)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 5:30pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Amazone I.
btw... contraindicated: = leaky gut syndrome!!!(oh)(dizzy)(naughty)


what does this mean?
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 7:02pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Amazone I.
btw... contraindicated: = leaky gut syndrome!!!(oh)(dizzy)(naughty)

Quoted from BluesSinger
what does this mean?

I think she is saying that the "  Gas, bloating, burping, etc." from reply 36 is due to leaky gut, and therefore, the product you are looking at is contra-indicated - as in not recommended for leaky gut... So even though it may be a great product, it may not help for the specific ailment you are looking to take it for.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Thursday, January 2, 2014, 7:10pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from ABJoe


I think she is saying that the "  Gas, bloating, burping, etc." from reply 36 is due to leaky gut, and therefore, the product you are looking at is contra-indicated - as in not recommended for leaky gut... So even though it may be a great product, it may not help for the specific ailment you are looking to take it for.


oh no!  i just ordered it although i don't know if i have leaky gut.

lately my joints have been killing me!  very odd!  the only thing i did was start eating more almonds and making my own almond milk.

does anyone have an issue with nuts or almonds causing osteoarthritis inflammation?  
Posted by: Averno, Wednesday, January 8, 2014, 5:17pm; Reply: 42

Even while compliant, I'll go through periods of joint ache (though nothing like the chronic state pre-BTD). Could it be our that our bodies cleaning process deposits junk in our joints from time to time?

Posted by: Adam, Wednesday, January 8, 2014, 9:45pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Averno

With all the stabilizers in soy milk, you'll probably notice a remarkable difference once you kick it.  I did, it was really screwing me up.


Soymilk is a diamond for me.  I purchase Westsoy Organic Unsweetened Soymilk.  The ingredients are only water and organic soybeans.  Should I avoid this product?  If so, why?
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, January 9, 2014, 2:24am; Reply: 44

No gums, no problem. I'd given up on finding a healthy soy milk awhile ago. Just goes to show that you have to recheck lables from time to time.
Posted by: Adam, Thursday, January 9, 2014, 1:43pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Averno

No gums, no problem. I'd given up on finding a healthy soy milk awhile ago. Just goes to show that you have to recheck lables from time to time.


Whew!  You had me worried for a second thinking that all soymilk products were to be avoided.
Posted by: BluesSinger, Thursday, January 9, 2014, 4:14pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Averno

No gums, no problem. I'd given up on finding a healthy soy milk awhile ago. Just goes to show that you have to recheck lables from time to time.


when i used to drink soy milk, i drank Westsoy.  none gmo, no additives.  it's been around for years!
Posted by: Miss Dashwood, Thursday, January 9, 2014, 4:19pm; Reply: 47
Two things which were VITAL to my gut recovery...BONE BROTH and GELATIN!  (the GAPS protocol starts you off this way)

Please consider making your own Bone Broth (from organic grass-fed beef or veal).  Every two weeks or so I use a pressure cooker and place 1 1/2 LBS bones, 1 Tbs. sea salt, 2 Tbs. lemon juice and fill the pot with water and cook under the highest pressure for 6 hours. Then I pour the broth into wide mouth mason jars and allow to cool, and store in the freezer. Allow about an 1 1/2 unfilled at the top of the jar so they won't crack as the broth expands. I then keep one jar at a time in the fridge thawed out. Every morning (scoop off the layer of fat that will float to the top) I have a warmed cup of broth instead of coffee. (this is how I was able to get off coffee which churned my digestion also).  I alternate every two weeks when I cook my batches between types of bones, chicken is good, (and the bones get so soft you can eat a lot of them), veal, bison, lamb and fish bones are also good.

The gelatin (GAPS protocol, Ray Peat protocol) I buy on line from Great Lakes.  (I like the organic kosher beef one).  I try for at least 1-3 TBS added to anything I can throughout the day, or just chugged down TBS in warm water.

These two things, and avoiding all grains, sugars, dairy, legumes, and any GLUTEN (except white rice, flax meal, buckwheat and vegetable glycering) were key, not only to fixing the lining of my gut, fixing my IBS and bloating problems, but I also credit for curing ALL my joint pain, back pain and headaches.

I know it seems restrictive (as I had to still eliminate some things from my SWAMI that were listed as beneficial), but the relief of all those problems, especially the joint pain and always having to stay within running distance of a bathroom, was in the end more important to my quality of life than ANY food that I thought I could never live without.

It's interesting that you talked about the joint pain in your hand. I get that, and it can feel as if I have overstretched a tendon in some of the knuckles, or like a kind of electric pain in the knuckle. That, and a tiny bit of nasal drip are the initial "tells" my body uses to let me know that a food I have recently eaten is one that needs to be avoided.

Keep at it, it will heal, if you keep taking note of what foods (no matter what list says are okay) cause problems and let them go.
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, January 9, 2014, 8:21pm; Reply: 48
I was having the same issue, I order the ployflora just before I go to bed, on an empty stomach. I don't eat anything after 7pm. (something my sister told me, she's not BT, but seems to have helped me with the bloat.
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