Print Topic - Archive

BTD Forums  /  Supp Right For Your Type  /  Membrosia Combo *
Posted by: BCgal, Friday, October 11, 2013, 4:05pm
Has anyone tried this yet?  I ordered it and will hopefully get it on Tuesday.  I was sure I read that it was good for all blood types.  After reviewing the info again I see it has Cod Liver Oil in the oil combo and am wondering now if I should be taking it since Cod Liver Oil is an avoid in my Swami.  Or does the benefits of the whole combo outweigh the avoid?

Also, does anyone know anything about the Black Cumin Oil?  Guess I should have figured this all out before I ordered it, aye.

One more thing, I've been taking the Trehalose Complex and it's recommended to be taken with a citrus juice.(I use lemon)  Now the powdered portion of this Membrosia Combo has Trehalose in it and it says to take it with any beneficial juice.  Would it still be benefited more with a citrus one?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 11, 2013, 4:54pm; Reply: 1
contact customer service best
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, October 11, 2013, 6:19pm; Reply: 2
I continue to prepare my membrosia according to the old recipe by Dr. D + uridine, and now I add walnut oil to the flax seed oil, both SWAMI diamonds. I intend to add also black cumin oil, which is not rated in SWAMI.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1376860877/s-0/
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, October 11, 2013, 6:34pm; Reply: 3
I agree, contact customer service but to get the go-ahead I emailed the clinic because DH and I are patients and both of us were given membrosia cocktails that don't contain any of the oils in this new complex.  But we were both told we could absolutely switch to the combo and both of us are doing very well on it.

It's too soon to give a testimony because we had been using a singular oil membrosia cocktail for a year prior to this change so the results will be evident when we go back to the clinic in Feb to get another bioimpedence test.  The difference between using just one oil vs this combined ratio of oils makes me very excited to look forward to my testing again. I would like to see an improved
phase angle. (you might have to do some research on bioimpedence testing to understand
what I'm talking about or listen to the link below of Dr. D's lecture in London)

This test will show if our cells contain the proper amount of fluid inside vs outside.  Old, sick people have too much fluid outside of their cells because the cell membrane is so stiff and hard, nutrients can't get in and toxins can't flow out.

For us, it's been 5 days that we're on it. We rotate pineapple juice, grapefruit and grape juice.
2 tsp of the powder and 1 1/2 tsp of the oil.  I have to say I feel good....DH feels good but are
we profoundly noticing a difference since we began this protocol?...difficult to quantify just yet.

Neither of us take trehalose complex independently of this new protocol.  There is a little bit
of trehalose in the powder of this combo.

So here's something I quickly found about black cumin seed oil

http://www.naturalnews.com/038644_black_cumin_oil_immune_system_nk_cells.html

As I understand it, these particular oils in this new formula are in perfect balance to give you the proper omega 3, 6 and 9 ratio.  So that's the major improvement over using your own oils and
using just one instead of many.

This is rather a guess on my part but although cod liver oil taken individually might tip your balance of omega 3 oils too far in one direction, I'm wondering if combined in this perfect balance does a little bit of CLO give you greater benefits.  This combo is designed for everyone and is the new gold standard for achieving cell membrane flexibility.  As we age, the membrane gets stiff and hard so softening would be one main goal of this new formula.

I've listened to both parts of this lecture by Dr. D and it's amazingly interesting.
He explains about the membrane fluidizer in the second half of his lecture and the test that
measures it's level of success.  If you get a chance, listen to it.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Martha
Posted by: BCgal, Saturday, October 12, 2013, 1:46am; Reply: 4
Thanks for your input, Chloe.  And your direction, Lola and Yaeli.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, October 12, 2013, 3:58am; Reply: 5
Thank you so much Chole for elaborating on this and opening my eyes.

It seems that when we use red grapefruit juice we can enjoy both worlds, the citrus for the trehalose and the lycopene in the fruit.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 5:44pm; Reply: 6
I want to share some feedback after taking the new Membrosia complex for a little over a week.  

First is that my muscles feel better and have greater ability to stretch and allow me to exercise without feeling achy afterwards.  Second is improved mood.  Well we had gloomy rainy weather last week but still, I noticed a difference today after a very good night's sleep.  Not sure what the difference really is between the variety of oils in the new mixture which contains far less lecithin than I had been taking and less overall oil...plus the addition of other ingredients in the powder, like ribose, trehalose, glutamine.....things I'd never taken before.....but I do feel different. And
a good kind of different.  Waiting to hear what DH experiences....He hasn't said he notices anything yet, but then of course, he has no knowledge of why he's taking this formula in the first
place, except to say it will improve his phase angle (that much he understands)  :)

Hoping this thread keeps active so we can read how people are experiencing this formula.

Anyone else taking it?   http://www.4yourtype.com/departments.asp?dept=221
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 7:58pm; Reply: 7
I am giving it a try to the home-made  formula (trying to stretch the $$$$).  After a month or so with it, I may order the combo and then compare and post.  I do take my TC with lemon every morning,( before the flax oil, lecithin and juice drink I just started this week).  TC I have been taking for a while and I do appreciate how alert and balanced in many ways it makes me feel :)
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 10:37pm; Reply: 8
If you forget to take the combo (home-made or bought) early morning ... is it OK to take it before lunch instead?  still away from food a couple of hours? ... :)
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 11:12pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Cristina
If you forget to take the combo (home-made or bought) early morning ... is it OK to take it before lunch instead?  still away from food a couple of hours? ... :)


Hopefully, you will get a definitive answer from someone more well informed than I am.....but it would seem Logical that taking it on an empty stomach is the key......and quite a few hours without food in your body might be second best rather than not taking it at all.  I guess trying not to forget is key.   Maybe leave yourself a little note somewhere in the kitchen until your mind gets used to making this a daily routine. :)
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 11:59pm; Reply: 10
I think I may just take it straight after the citrus TC mixture .. it is waiting the 30 minutes after that messes me up ... Today I had the Polyflora with the TC lemon drink and intended to have the oil mixture 30m later ... but started cooking breakky, served it and I already had a few mouthfuls of my turkey dish, when I remember!!! :) ... New routines, changing habits ... I am not a speedy coach sometimes ... but sure I get there ... :)  Note on top of stove for tomorrow morning ... good advise Chloe ... :)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, October 14, 2013, 12:17am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Cristina
I think I may just take it straight after the citrus TC mixture .. it is waiting the 30 minutes after that messes me up ... Today I had the Polyflora with the TC lemon drink and intended to have the oil mixture 30m later ... but started cooking breakky, served it and I already had a few mouthfuls of my turkey dish, when I remember!!! :) ... New routines, changing habits ... I am not a speedy coach sometimes ... but sure I get there ... :)  Note on top of stove for tomorrow morning ... good advise Chloe ... :)



Cristina, the new Membrane combo instructions says you need to wait 15 minutes before eating but the original instructions for the homemade membrane fluidizer said to wait 30 minutes.   That's the time it takes me to spray myself with magnesium oil (which BTW....lowers blood pressure if you saturate yourself liberally every day as it's absorbed transdermally and builds up faster in your blood than if you consumed the same amount orally...Many people have high B/P and extra mag seems helpful.  I digress.... so while I've sprayed myself, I have to wait at least 30 minutes before showering it off. I start my breakfast, go make my bed and straighten up the house a bit....come back to the kitchen, eat, then shower off my magnesium and I've managed to make good use of
30 minutes.

I read your post on the FS thread about high B/P but while I'm talking about it, will answer here.

Something to read, although sorry for hijacking this thread.  Be glad to discuss mag issues with
you if you can find the thread on magnesium oil.  It's fascinating info.
http://joannebrophy.com/assessments/magnesium.htm

And you might find this interesting about B/P
http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004349/aiming-for-blood-pressure-targets-lower-than-14090-mmhg-is-not-beneficial
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 14, 2013, 1:00am; Reply: 12
OK, thanks for the links, but believe me when I said I devoured everything BP related here and over the net during this 'crisis'.  

When I first read that link on lower BP no lowering heart attacks, etc, I understood it to be to force it down with drugs!!!  Not doing it naturally as it is our aim here ...   We are keeping an eye on it and it seems that placing himself in the path of eating right for his type has settled the bp curve.  What I mean is, stress of not eating right and not taking breaks during the day to give the body that deep relaxation state we As crave is what may have spike his BP.  

I read the magnerium oil discussions here too, but we decided that although it will  work fine for me, if I ever need it, it will not work for hubby.  He could not see himself of going through that routine of spraying it on himself, waiting and showering it off.  Magnesium powder and empson salt baths worked fine for him, as stated in the protocols ...

The membrane combo, OK, I give it a miss today and I make sure I start it tomorrow ... I may reverse it and use it as first thing in the morning, follow by TC lemon and polyflora 30 minutes later ... that should work for me then ... Thanks for your prompt feedback Chloe ... You are a trooper, as usual ... :)
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, October 14, 2013, 12:31pm; Reply: 13
I hope I understand this correctly, one important clarification through Membrosia Complex is, that it is allowed to take Trehalose with cranberry juice.... (dizzy)(evil)(woot)

The issue was discussed at length in the thread "Yes, Trehalose Complex is definitely Wow", following the instruction to take TC away from quercetin.
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1328006355/s-0/

People were looking for quercetin content of foods and made conjectures, and one major item discussed was cranberry juice, a SWAMI diamond for many incl yt, which is rich in quercetin. Now it seems that the doubts regarding taking the TC in cranberry juice have faded away. Again, I hope I am not wrong.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:25pm; Reply: 14
The main confusion I'm having over this new complex formula is this.  The homemade membrosia
cocktail had one rule....mix the flax oil with lecithin and add a juice.  Any juice.  Drink, then wait 30 minutes before eating anything with fat.  The new and improved Membrosia complex says only to wait 15 minutes before eating a meal with fat.

However, this new Membrosia complex contains trehalose and it contains uridine.  Less uridine
than I was taking with the Membrosia cocktail I made myself.

SO, although DH and I weren't asked to take a separate dose of trehalose right now.....there IS some
trehalose in Membrosia Complex....not much BUT, some days I'm taking it with grapefruit juice,
other days, not.

And I take COQ10 with my breakfast plus I drink green tea.....but I only wait 15 minutes to do all
of this, YET, the original trehalose complex requires you wait an hour before taking either of these.

I don't know if I'm doing this wrong....or should save my green tea for later or my
COQ10 for lunch maybe....further away from my morning cocktail. Or use grapefruit juice every
day in this cocktail.

It's too many different rules that overlap for items that were part of one protocol but morph into
another.

Without any other rules stated for Membrosia Complex regarding  COQ10 or green tea, I guess I'm okay.  Not enough trehalose in this formula to be doing what the original trehalose complex/grapefruit juice was designed to do. (at least I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong)

Just recognize conflicting rules for two different protocols.

And Cristina....My DH who had higher B/P than his doctor found acceptable put
him on a calcium channel blocker.  He started with a low dose and then it was doubled when
it didn't appear to make his B/P go down enough.... His
B/P has come down in a year but it was due to his Warrior diet, Dr. D's formulas (prescribed
personally by the shift and Dr. D) and DH has now cut his B/P meds in half again, and his B/P
has remained stable. It's in a more normal zone...and a higher dose of meds didn't seem to
make much difference.... I agree, sometimes you have to just take the meds and then try to stabilize so you can wean off if this is your goal.  That was DH's goal with the clinic....but we realize, it was not his MDs goal....but he did agree with DH and so far, so good.  Hopefully in another few months when DH sees Dr. D again, he can get
off this drug.  It has side effects....muscle problems/confusion at times....and I know there are
solutions that are natural that will keep him in a safe zone, drug free.  Never would I want my husband to walk around with stress and dangerously high B/P but many supplements like Tranquility Base, magnesium, and others have managed to get his B/P down somewhat.  I don't know if Warriors are particularly vulnerable to issues like this or whether it's because he's a nonnie as well....I always had low B/P and suddenly, mine started going up. But I managed to have
totally normal B/P last week in my doctor's office just by using magnesium oil for the past
month and did alternate nostril breathing before my B/P was taken plus I do it regularly, a few times a day.

Most men aren't good at listening to their wives describe relaxing techniques....especially if
they're rather high stressed to begin with.  My Warrior husband seems to have a super short
attention span and needs to hear information in quick sound bites or he tunes out.

But still, making progress and I hope things go well for you and your DH too :)
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, October 14, 2013, 6:13pm; Reply: 15
Re rules for Membrosia Combo: I don't know if the same rules apply here as those for Trehalose Complex.

I take the Trehalose Complex in lemon water first thing in the morning (together with Polyflora & Redoxa & Live Cell), and then I wait one hour before the green tea. I too take CoQ10 with breakfast.

I postpone the membrosia until later in the morning, before noon.... and I can't thank enough for these healing remedies.
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 14, 2013, 7:54pm; Reply: 16
Oh gosh ... it will be nice if some higher authority could clarify these once and for all ...  Has anyone e-mail the office for clarification?

Chloe, are you describing my hubby there? ;) ... I managed, no, he managed to keep himself out of meds via natural remedies:

1/- Celery and kale juice, one or two small shot glasses for him, half a glass for me because I find that it was lowering my bp too much, I tend to be on the lower side of bp (another similarity in our lives Chloe ;) ), Tulsi, or holy basil tea, very good to help with relaxation, drinking it before meditation (it is in one of Dr D's protocols), Hawthorne tablets and ancient garlic ,  CQ10 and of course the magnasium baths or drink ...

We also ate mostly fish, salmon filets without any fat and lots of veggies (cooked and raw).  Every now and then I will juice celery, basil, kale, onion,garlic, ginger, beets and carrots (or any combo from them) and I will stir the pulp with the cooking veggies in the pan (rutagaba, parsnips or turnips) just before serving and pour the juice over the top of the dish, like a sauce.I tend to juice his veggies, cook the pulp for a few minutes.  We avoided wheat or grains in general, except for the ocassional slice of sourdough and couple of rice cakes or the odd quinoa and rice side dish.

Limited fruit intake to a green apple with the shot glasses before breakfast and the dry fruit with the night time meal when we have cereal and yogurt and nuts ...

Last meal about 6:00pm maybe 7:00 at the latest ...

His BP is very stable now.  We are pleased to have avoided any medication prone to side effects.  His doc was good in that aspect and gave him a month to get this sorted out naturally before he intervene ... we avoided that , very pleased ...

I am sure your hubby will get his bp sorted out and be out of meds soon enough ... I am not naive, and understand that we have to be vigilante ... keep using the home testing kits ... wonderful technology these days that allow us to monitor these things at home quite easily.  I think these monitor units should be a must in every household, no matter how fit or young you are ...

PS: edited to add kale
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 14, 2013, 8:21pm; Reply: 17
I forgot to mention above that I always use a good dash of olive oil and flax seed oil on any dish I serve for dinner or lunch.  It is a must now in our menu plan ... :)

I reduced salt to the bare minimum for huybby, but use miso and the odd dash of tamari sauce and tempeh and tofu that do have some salt in them.

Also, coffee is a beneficial and although during the scary first  two weeks we cut it out, since Swami still gives it as a bene for him and he likes it so much, we re-introduce it, as a short black in the mornings and it has not adverse effect on his BP.  Trust Swami :)


Ps: what else did I forget to mention?  Turmeric, I use that in all my cooking ...
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, October 14, 2013, 8:39pm; Reply: 18
Now that we've totally hijacked this membrosia combo thread, LOL I'm just wondering if the new and
improved version of the Membrosia combo will impact my DH's B/P in a positive way.

Glad your DH has made such great strides in getting his B/P under control.  Most of us who have
ever had higher B/P in a doctor's office can develop white coat syndrome.....having anxiety just anticipating having B/P taken..And of course, being blood type A, doesn't take much to give us
anxiety!  :)

Here's what Dr. D has to say about the new complex....notice where it says it can create a more efficent metabolism....
i'm wondering if that impacts blood sugar/blood pressure...Probably, right?


Membrosia Complex and Membrosia Fluidizer

A healthy body begins with healthy cells. We are, after all, completely made of cells. Cells absorb the nutrients from the foods we eat through the cell membrane. A healthy membrane produces bi-lipids, which allows proteins and other nutrients to enter the cell much more efficiently. As we age or when we are sick, the membrane becomes brittle and less fluid. This interferes with the body's ability to keep water in the cell and compromises its ability to respond to hormones, absorb nutrients, and react to other influences from the outside world - resulting in weight gain, bloating, inflammation, and hormonal imbalance. In response to this phenomenon, Dr. D'Adamo created Membrosia Complex and Membrosia Fluidizer. Together, these products re-build the bi-lipid protein so that cells can operate efficiently and productively.

When used together in Dr. D'Adamo's exact proportions, this dual formula has shown consistent results in two years of patient trials. After taking the Membrosia Complex and Membrosia Fluidizer for several weeks, patients report a more efficient metabolism, a better and more controlled hormonal response, better nerve signaling, greater energy, fewer visible signs of aging (such as wrinkles and sagging skin), and an overall sense of happiness and well-being.

Directions: Mix two (2) level teaspoons of Membrosia Complex and one and a half (1.5) teaspoons of Membrosia Fluidizer in 4-6 oz. of a beneficial juice in the morning. Avoid consuming any fatty foods for fifteen minutes after taking Membrosia.
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:08pm; Reply: 19
Can we get away with this major hijacking for a bit longer? ;)

Today I did my usual oil pulling, as soon as I wake up, then I have to wait half an hour before drinking anything, that is when I had the big mixture of straight lemon juice, 1tsp TC, 1 Tbsp flax oil and 1Tbsp lecithin.  About half an hour after that we had breakfast, then clean dishes and went for a relaxed walk with hubby and the dogs.  Now, we are ready for our cup of coffee ... Life is great!  I will report how this TC, flax, lecithin, juice thing is working out for me within the week.  Since hubby is in a rest week now, I decided not to use it on him yet, but, like you said, this combo will surely benefit bp and sugars by balancing them in our systems ... :)

Ps: Thanks once again for the extra info Chloe ...
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, October 14, 2013, 11:21pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Cristina
Can we get away with this major hijacking for a bit longer? ;)

Today I did my usual oil pulling, as soon as I wake up, then I have to wait half an hour before drinking anything, that is when I had the big mixture of straight lemon juice, 1tsp TC, 1 Tbsp flax oil and 1Tbsp lecithin.  About half an hour after that we had breakfast, then clean dishes and went for a relaxed walk with hubby and the dogs.  Now, we are ready for our cup of coffee ... Life is great!  I will report how this TC, flax, lecithin, juice thing is working out for me within the week.  Since hubby is in a rest week now, I decided not to use it on him yet, but, like you said, this combo will surely benefit bp and sugars by balancing them in our systems ... :)

Ps: Thanks once again for the extra info Chloe ...


You're welcome....So far, nobody is getting upset with us for hijacking this thread....LOL....so of course, let's continue...

I can't wait until we go back to the clinic for another bioimpedence test (can you have this test
done in Australia?)  The fact that Dr. D has had such great success with this particular combination of oils and powders makes me anxious to find out if DH and I have an improved phase angle.

.....still on topic....:)

Keep updating your progress and I will too!



Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 7:40am; Reply: 21
:D :D :K)

Membrosia Combo contains soy lecithin, which is a SWAMI black dor for me.

The computerized (BIA?  :-/ ) diagnosis that I underwent recently indicates that I have a certain sensitivity to egg yolk.... no wonder! I consume too many eggs. It didn't indicate any sensitivity to soy, which I haven't been touching for the last 7 and 2/3 years.

I know it is entirely up to me. On the face of it, soy lecithin may be safe for me right now, but I think that as I intend to make membrosia every morning, which means 1 tablespoon of lecithin daily, this seems beyond moderate quantity and breaching the black dot agreement. So in the meantime, instead of switching to soy lecithin, which is easily available, I intend to continue and order egg yolk lecithin capsules from Swanson. {deep sigh} :P ;D
Posted by: Averno, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 3:38pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from yaeli
...Membrosia Combo contains soy lecithin, which is a SWAMI black dor for me.

...On the face of it, soy lecithin may be safe for me right now, but I think that as I intend to make membrosia every morning, which means 1 tablespoon of lecithin daily, this seems beyond moderate quantity and breaching the black dot agreement. So in the meantime, instead of switching to soy lecithin, which is easily available, I intend to continue and order egg yolk lecithin capsules from Swanson. {deep sigh} :P ;D


Didn't we discuss the suitability of soy lecithin for all Genotypes in an earlier thread? I seem to recall that Andrea did the research and determined the soy lectins and other nasties were completely washed out in processing.

Given that Swami contrdicts soy lecithin's safety, I think an administrator shoulld weigh in on this subject. We need to trust our Swami reports.



Posted by: BCgal, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 4:48pm; Reply: 23
Just got off the phone with customer service asking about my original question that started this thread.  

The Membrosia Combo has 2 Avoids for me on my Swami, soy lecithin and cod liver oil.  But I was told that the  positive benefits of the Membrosia Combo out weigh the avoids.  Not that I can take those things by themselves, but that in this combination they are okay.  Glad to hear that since I had already purchased it.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 7:56pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from BCgal
Just got off the phone with customer service asking about my original question that started this thread.  

The Membrosia Combo has 2 Avoids for me on my Swami, soy lecithin and cod liver oil.  But I was told that the  positive benefits of the Membrosia Combo out weigh the avoids.  Not that I can take those things by themselves, but that in this combination they are okay.  Glad to hear that since I had already purchased it.


Thanks for letting us know...I sort of guessed this would be the explanation....:)

Posted by: Averno, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 12:05am; Reply: 25
Quoted from BCgal
Just got off the phone with customer service asking about my original question that started this thread.  

The Membrosia Combo has 2 Avoids for me on my Swami, soy lecithin and cod liver oil.  But I was told that the  positive benefits of the Membrosia Combo out weigh the avoids.  Not that I can take those things by themselves, but that in this combination they are okay.  Glad to hear that since I had already purchased it.


But is this the same answer for everyone?

Posted by: BCgal, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 12:31am; Reply: 26
It may be, because I wasn't asked, nor did I mention my blood type or genotype.  Check for yourself if there's an area of concern.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 12:45am; Reply: 27
Quoted from Averno


But is this the same answer for everyone?



For what it's worth, I was told by the clinic that this formula is for everyone, so to assure yourself,
call customer service for confirmation.

And everyone might want to read this.  Last paragraph Dr. D speaks about the lecithin in the
formula....soy isn't present in the final purified product.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter

Posted by: Averno, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 2:06am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Chloe


For what it's worth, I was told by the clinic that this formula is for everyone, so to assure yourself,
call customer service for confirmation.

And everyone might want to read this.  Last paragraph Dr. D speaks about the lecithin in the
formula....soy isn't present in the final purified product.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter



Ah... There it is. Thank you so much, Chloe!   :)

Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 5:56am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Averno
Given that Swami contrdicts soy lecithin's safety, I think an administrator shoulld weigh in on this subject. We need to trust our Swami reports.
Of course!! I didn't expect the admins to rack their brains on this! It has just occured to me (it's breakfast time over here) that I may also alternate the egg yolk and soy lecithins.

Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 5:59am; Reply: 30
Quoted from Averno
Didn't we discuss the suitability of soy lecithin for all Genotypes in an earlier thread? I seem to recall that Andrea did the research and determined the soy lectins and other nasties were completely washed out in processing.

Given that Swami contrdicts soy lecithin's safety, I think an administrator shoulld weigh in on this subject. We need to trust our Swami reports.
Somehow the more we share about this, more solutions appear and settle in  :) ;)

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 6:23am; Reply: 31
swami has lecithin under condiments

Quoted Text
Posted by: Dr. D

Soy lecithin has virtually no protein or carbohydrates in it. You can't even measure them at the level of 1 part per ten million, so for most people it's
fine.


soybean Granules, Lecithin" in vegetable protein section is the texturized soy, which is an avoid for most
read the latest NL at DPN
http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter
Quoted Text
Please Note: Lecithin, which is most often derived from soy, can be an avoid food for some blood types. We've looked at this extensively and fear not. The purification of lecithin from soy is so complete and absolute that it is virtually impossible to detect as much as even a single molecule of soy DNA in the finished product.
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 6:55am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Lola
"soybean Granules, Lecithin" in vegetable protein section is the texturized soy, which is an avoid for most
read the latest NL at DPN
http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter
Thank you ever so much!!!

(1) ;D ;D ;D

(2) (clap)(clap)(clap)

(3) (happy_gangsta)

(4) :-/ :-/ :-/

:o :B ::) :'( ;)

(5) :K) :K) :K)

(1)+(2)+(3)+(4)+(5) = (book2)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, October 24, 2013, 4:57pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Chloe
I agree, contact customer service but to get the go-ahead I emailed the clinic because DH and I are patients and both of us were given membrosia cocktails that don't contain any of the oils in this new complex.  But we were both told we could absolutely switch to the combo and both of us are doing very well on it.

It's too soon to give a testimony because we had been using a singular oil membrosia cocktail for a year prior to this change so the results will be evident when we go back to the clinic in Feb to get another bioimpedence test.  The difference between using just one oil vs this combined ratio of oils makes me very excited to look forward to my testing again. I would like to see an improved
phase angle. (you might have to do some research on bioimpedence testing to understand
what I'm talking about or listen to the link below of Dr. D's lecture in London)

This test will show if our cells contain the proper amount of fluid inside vs outside.  Old, sick people have too much fluid outside of their cells because the cell membrane is so stiff and hard, nutrients can't get in and toxins can't flow out.

For us, it's been 5 days that we're on it. We rotate pineapple juice, grapefruit and grape juice.
1tsp of the powder and 1 1/2 tsp of the oil.  I have to say I feel good....DH feels good but are
we profoundly noticing a difference since we began this protocol?...difficult to quantify just yet.

Neither of us take trehalose complex independently of this new protocol.  There is a little bit
of trehalose in the powder of this combo.

So here's something I quickly found about black cumin seed oil

http://www.naturalnews.com/038644_black_cumin_oil_immune_system_nk_cells.html

As I understand it, these particular oils in this new formula are in perfect balance to give you the proper omega 3, 6 and 9 ratio.  So that's the major improvement over using your own oils and
using just one instead of many.

This is rather a guess on my part but although cod liver oil taken individually might tip your balance of omega 3 oils too far in one direction, I'm wondering if combined in this perfect balance does a little bit of CLO give you greater benefits.  This combo is designed for everyone and is the new gold standard for achieving cell membrane flexibility.  As we age, the membrane gets stiff and hard so softening would be one main goal of this new formula.

I've listened to both parts of this lecture by Dr. D and it's amazingly interesting.
He explains about the membrane fluidizer in the second half of his lecture and the test that
measures it's level of success.  If you get a chance, listen to it.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Martha


Making anyone taking this formula aware that there is an error in the instructions on the website for the
powder.  On the product page, it says to use 2 tsp of the powder but the container says to use ONE teaspoon
of the powder.  The print was so small I couldn't read it so I followed what it said on the product page.  I just
contacted customer service to make them aware and corrected my post above to reflect ONE teaspoon....but I was inadvertently taking this formula all  wrong.....and used up my powder and my husband's in 2 weeks instead of a month.  Hoping NAP makes a correction so nobody else gets it wrong.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, October 24, 2013, 6:03pm; Reply: 34
I do not mean to contradict support. But the container clearly states to use two teaspoons of the powder and not one teaspoon when mixing.

But there are two combos:

A 15 day combo and a thirty day combo.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP065

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP066

The difference between a 15 day combo and a thirty combo is 15 days includes one container of powder. The thirty day combo includes two containers of powder.

One container or powder lasts 15 days when used according to the instructions printed on the container.  If you want the combo to last thirty days, you need to order the combo with two containers of powder.

The instruction printed on the container are the same as on the website.

Mix two (2) level teaspoons with juice and Membosia fluidizer ...




The reference to one teaspoon on the container is the amount of powder used to figure the amounts (1080 mg Lecithin in a teaspoon, 1080 mg trehalose per teaspoon, 960 mg ribose per teaspoon, 240 mg Uridine, 120 mg L-Glutamine per teaspoon).

These are the amounts per teaspoon, but the directions on the container says to use two teaspoons.  You will get twice the amount listed when you prepare the cocktail according to the directions.



These are not the instructions for mixing! These are what the product contains in one teaspoon.  The directions for mixing are printed to the right of the supplement facts on the membrosia complex container.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, October 24, 2013, 9:19pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from C_Sharp
I do not mean to contradict support. But the container clearly states to use two teaspoons of the powder and not one teaspoon when mixing.

But there are two combos:

A 15 day combo and a thirty day combo.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP065

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP066

The difference between a 15 day combo and a thirty combo is 15 days includes one container of powder. The thirty day combo includes two containers of powder.

One container or powder lasts 15 days when used according to the instructions printed on the container.  If you want the combo to last thirty days, you need to order the combo with two containers of powder.

The instruction printed on the container are the same as on the website.

Mix two (2) level teaspoons with juice and Membosia fluidizer ...




The reference to one teaspoon on the container is the amount of powder used to figure the amounts (1080 mg Lecithin in a teaspoon, 1080 mg trehalose per teaspoon, 960 mg ribose per teaspoon, 240 mg Uridine, 120 mg L-Glutamine per teaspoon).

These are the amounts per teaspoon, but the directions on the container says to use two teaspoons.  You will get twice the amount listed when you prepare the cocktail according to the directions.



These are not the instructions for mixing! These are what the product contains in one teaspoon.  The directions for mixing are printed to the right of the supplement facts on the membrosia complex container.


The label you posted says" Serving size:  one teaspoon.  Yes, I read your explanation...
It just makes no sense to me.  

Don't people generally see the words serving size and take it literally?  Do people need calculations that tell them how much of each product equals ONE teaspoon or would they have
preferred to understand right there to be taking two teaspoons of this powder as one serving.

What does one serving mean to you?  To me it means "measure out this amount".  I do that for
grains, for liquid measurements like almond milk.  I measure what is called one serving size.

But in this case, everyone should say to themselves "nope, this has nothing to do with how you
measure this out for your mixing....this is just information in case you'd like to know how we
divided up the individual contents".  And that right there, it becomes confusing.

I'm curious of the perception of other people after seeing the exact label... I don't feel like I'm an idiot.....but I can't imagine having to go look elsewhere on the container for a place that says to ignore what you just read as one serving size and take TWO teaspoons to mix with your oil.

Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?  And let people clearly understand that you
need to mix two teaspoons of powder with your liquid....State it right there next to this
one teaspoon in parenthesis, not somewhere else on the package because truthfully, how
many people are going to keep looking for more measurements after they see one serving size is
one teaspoon?   After I read this, I didn't bother to look anywhere else.

Just showed my husband and he totally agrees with me.

This is more convoluted than it needs to be...

And I ordered a 6 month supply...so I know it's 12 containers of powder to 6 bottles of oil.

Posted by: Averno, Thursday, October 24, 2013, 9:49pm; Reply: 36

I agree with Chloe, it is confusing. 1 bottle of oil is a 30 day supply, but 1 container of the dry stuff is a 15 day supply. And to further confuse, the dry stuff says it is 30 servings. Whuuu...? Oddly enough, the container looks about half full.

When I saw what I thought was a typo (serving size 1 tsp.) I decided to follow the dosing instruction because, having purchased the 30 day supply, the contents in the container looked like it would only last 15 days-- hence 2 containers. But I dont ever recall a lable parsed this way. The nutrient breakdown is for a half-dose   ??)


Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, October 25, 2013, 12:41am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Averno

But I dont ever recall a lable parsed this way. The nutrient breakdown is for a half-dose   ??)




I see this type of thing all the time on labels.

I think the assumption is people can do math.

I may have to do this sort of math several times a day to scale things to the correct proportion.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, October 25, 2013, 1:03am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Chloe


The label you posted says" Serving size:  one teaspoon.  Yes, I read your explanation...
It just makes no sense to me.  


The package has a label --

Directions:

It is in bold type.

It gives the directions on how to mix there. It says to use two teaspoons




This is the same as if one were to go to the grocery store and buy a cake mix:



The nutritional information is for 1/10 of a package.

But when you go to prepare the cake, one would not measure out a tenth of the package, because that is the serving size on the nutrition panel. Instead you follow the mixing directions. That is the entire package with one cup water, one stick butter, and three eggs.  If someone were to eat the cake they also would not get exactly one tenth of the box.



Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, October 25, 2013, 1:10am; Reply: 39
Quoted from Chloe

Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?  And let people clearly understand ...



I certainly agree.

Perhaps on the the next printing of the labels, they will take care of it. Certainly an easy fix.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 25, 2013, 1:27am; Reply: 40
Quoted from Chloe
Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?


One reason that this is done at times is that the "conventional" or "comparative" measurements are in a specific size, so to make it easier to compare products, they choose a standardized measurement.

Understand that this is not meant to say this is the case in this instance, it is something I have observed, however...
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, October 25, 2013, 6:43am; Reply: 41
Quoted from C_Sharp
I certainly agree.

Perhaps on the the next printing of the labels, they will take care of it. Certainly an easy fix.
Quite so. I'm positive they should. This is going to clarify all confusions here.

Posted by: Averno, Friday, October 25, 2013, 11:31am; Reply: 42

But the serving size is 2 teaspoons. There are 15 servings per container.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, October 25, 2013, 2:23pm; Reply: 43
In all reality, people shouldn't have to be doing math calculations or doubt what they're reading
when they see that one serving is one teaspoon.....and then say to themselves "aha....this probably
means I'm supposed to be reading somewhere else to learn that I should be taking TWO teaspoons.

Standardized measurements in this instance makes these particular instructions very confusing.

And really, for the cost of this product, there really should be a small measuring scoop included
in the powder container.

Another issue I've had is running out of powder before I used up the oil.  Yes, I know....2 containers of powder to one bottle of oil is one month....but I'm on the 3rd container of powder and still have some oil left in my first bottle.   I could see that my second container of powder looked seriously lightweight.  Used it anyway and ran out very quickly.


Posted by: yaeli, Friday, October 25, 2013, 3:02pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Chloe
In all reality, people shouldn't have to be doing math calculations or doubt what they're reading
when they see that one serving is one teaspoon.....and then say to themselves "aha....this probably
means I'm supposed to be reading somewhere else to learn that I should be taking TWO teaspoons.
ditto.

Quoted from Chloe
And really, for the cost of this product, there really should be a small measuring scoop included in the powder container.
  :) (clap) (dance) :K)  Especially in this one, since it requires some attention to prepare, and since it is basically and practically for everybody, at least over 40.

Posted by: Ligia, Friday, October 25, 2013, 5:21pm; Reply: 45
How about this:
Serving size = 1 teaspoon
Dose = 2 teaspoons
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, October 25, 2013, 5:50pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Ligia
How about this:
Serving size = 1 teaspoon
Dose = 2 teaspoons


Maybe the labeling standards do not give them a choice and the nutrients breakdown has to be done in one of the standard sizes, in this case teaspoon  (for market comparison, etc).

The directions for use is the indication of how to take them and according to these posts is 2 teaspoons.  

The devil is in the detail: Product claims approx 30 servings per container, not 30 days.  Easier to assume the later even though we are doubling the serving size in the dosage and the companion oil seem to last the 30 days ...

The scoop idea is good with the clarification that 'each scoop = 2 servings) and dosage = 1 scoop.  But even then the difference between 30 days and 30 servings may be easily lost for most of us ... ;)

Posted by: Chloe, Friday, October 25, 2013, 6:23pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Cristina


Maybe the labeling standards do not give them a choice and the nutrients breakdown has to be done in one of the standard sizes, in this case teaspoon  (for market comparison, etc).

The directions for use is the indication of how to take them and according to these posts is 2 teaspoons.  

The devil is in the detail: Product claims approx 30 servings per container, not 30 days.  Easier to assume the later even though we are doubling the serving size in the dosage and the companion oil seem to last the 30 days ...

The scoop idea is good with the clarification that 'each scoop = 2 servings) and dosage = 1 scoop.  But even then the difference between 30 days and 30 servings may be easily lost for most of us ... ;)



You nailed it Ligia.....and Cristina....Dose belongs right under serving size.  :)  Just the word "dose" speaks volumes and makes it very clear how much to take....No searching all over the container to find more instructions that seem to contradict a serving size........although for anyone who chooses to read more on the container....that's fine....but give us as much info as possible immediately.

Posted by: yaeli, Friday, October 25, 2013, 11:17pm; Reply: 48
The serving size on the label has a specific use/purpose: the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 25, 2013, 11:37pm; Reply: 49
if anyone runs out of oil, get some organic linseed oil with lignans
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, October 25, 2013, 11:56pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from yaeli
...

Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.


I am not too sure about that.  Labels have to have some sort of standard when it comes to the breakdown of nutrients and I do not know what the law requirements for those standards are, but I do know that if I am a user that wants to compare the breakdown of nutrients from two different products in a shelf, I rather have them broken down in the same serving size, irrespective of what the recommended dosage for each of those products may be.  Product A dosage may be two tsps, product b 6 tsp, but if the breakdown of nutrients is 1 tsp, I can decide on the spot what product is better suited for me, the one with the more or less nutrients and take it from there when it comes to determine dosage needed.

It will be a nightmare if product A label had a dosage and serving size breakdown of nutrients for 2 tsp and product B had a dosage and serving size breakdown for 6 tsp (its recommended dosage).  Then, on the spot I will find myself struggling to calculate dividing each nutrient breakdown by 2 in product A and by 6 in product B so I can get the unit worth for each to fairly compare nutrients ... Can you see why standards may be useful when it comes to labeling?
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 4:56am; Reply: 51
Quoted from yaeli
The serving size on the label has a specific use/purpose: the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.
Correction (after a short night sleep and 13 minutes brisk walking)  :) :

The serving size presented on the label has a sole specific use/purpose: it is the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose on the other hand is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, as a rule the serving size and the dose which appear on the bottle are identical, which is naturally the most user friendly presentation.

I assume that the 2 different figures in the case of Membrosia Complex are a slip of tongue, and I hope this is going to be corrected.

:)  8)


Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 5:20am; Reply: 52
Quoted from Cristina
Labels have to have some sort of standard when it comes to the breakdown of nutrients
Alas such a standard is impossible, because capsules/tablets come in a variety of sizes in order to match customers personal needs. So you have to calculate anyway. Even when the label specifies the breakdown both per capsule and per 100mg you'll still have to do your calculations for your personal need.

Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 7:21am; Reply: 53
What is easier?

1.- serving per 2 capsule
Vit A - 100mc
Vit B- 50
Vit C- 25

2.- Serving per 3 capsules
Vit A - 500
Vit B 60
Vit C - 45

In order to compare these two products I have the extra step of calculating the per capsule value in both of them first, then compare the nutrients for each product (but only after I find out what the per capsule value was first, it will be much easier if that was already depicted in each product.  The standard showing the nutrient breakdown being per capsule already done for me.

OK, I cannot make it any clearer and it does not matter so much for me, this explorer warrior can make the calculations with or without the extra step, no matter how difficult of easy the job is in front of her ... if needed for the better health of her type ...

BTW, I am just stating what I consider to be easier handling of these labels for me, but I can understand and accept we are all unique and different in the way we see 'easy' or 'difficult' tasks ... :)
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 3:41pm; Reply: 54
Cristina, I wanted to add something about Dr. D's supps. They are like a special world apart from other manufacturers' supps, of extraordinary qualities and unmatched combinations of ingredients, so there's less ground for me to compare them with other products, particularly because of the synergistic factor, which augments greatly/tremendously the power of the supplements. I am sure this calls for some special consulting, which I think in my case has already become practical, because I take a lot of them. Sometimes I eat a little something for supper just in order to give some bed to the evening supps.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 4:20pm; Reply: 55
I just feel that confusion is not the way to explain something clearly to a consumer....Make it simple....make it concise and put priority information clearly in a location on a container or
package where it's understood without further searching.  Priority information is not the serving size but the dosage size is... I personally don't really care how a serving size was derived.  In my world although maybe not in everyone's world....serving size means how much I serve myself.  I was about to serve myself one teaspoon of product, when I should be knowing this isn't what is meant...
I should be looking for dosing info.  Come on....this is ridiculous and I'd never be comparing this
label  to any other product with a similar lable.....because Dr. D makes products that aren't comparable to anything else. These are all original formulas.

Puleeze....just tell me and everyone else how much to take of this powder and tell me in a location on the package where I won't miss it!  Tell me to double the serving size....Tell me anything useful so I won't be confused....

Not a difficult request, right?? :)
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 4:30pm; Reply: 56
But aren't there directions on the bottle? I see directions on every bottle, and they tell what is the dosage...  :-/
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 6:43pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from yaeli
But aren't there directions on the bottle? I see directions on every bottle, and they tell what is the dosage...  :-/



If you check out the label of the oil which is called fluidizer, you will see that the serving size means exactly the same thing as the DOSE to take.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP076

The discrepancy is not so much between these products and some standardized way to write things that an industry might use across the board.... it's two products from the same formula that aren't matching with one another in verbiage.

Serving size for powder....1 tsp (incorrect for dosing)  plus it states that there are 30 servings in the container.
Going by dosing, there are 15 doses in a container.  It takes 2 tsp to make one dose.

Serving size for oil -- 1 1/2 tsp (CORRECT for dosing)

Why am I having to understand that on the oil label, the serving size means dosing but on the powder,
the serving size means it's not dosing but how much of each ingredient makes up one serving
size.  And I find that totally irrelevant.

I don't know how else to keep explaining how ridiculous this seems to me.  Am I the only person who thinks the oil and the powder should be using the same verbiage? Why call a serving size on
one package the dosing size and on the other package you have to double the serving size to
reach a dosing size.

Oxymoronic!!!  And if this label is never changed, well...at least I know how much of each product to take
and hope everyone else has a calculator or can read super fine print better than I can.
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 7:13pm; Reply: 58
Yes Chloe, I get it now.  I did not know that the serving size in the bottle was 1.5!!! That does not sound like any standard requirement to me.  I do not see any standards saying: solids must be in individual units but liquids can be in any fraction units. It is ridiculous!!  In that case they should definitely change the serving unit in the powder to match the serving dose.  If there is no industry standard regulation forcing them to do otherwise, at least they should address the convenient of their btdrs!!!

Lesson learn from me:  keep my explorer inquisitive and warrior need to share brain to myself if I have not got the whole picture.  Sorry guys for wasting your time with my opinions in here, but I did not have the products and only just then with that last link from Chloe, did I realized the real discrepancy in the label!

Oh well, nice to be in such a friendly environment where even when some of us tie ourselves in knots, others can see our good intentions and are patient enough to untangle us in a friendly way ;)  

Here is hoping they are rally watching this and we may see some sort of D'Adamo labelling standard  to make it easier for us in the future.  But please, if that means increasing the cost of these supps, I rather they stay as they are ... ;)  :) I think we may all agree on that ...
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 7:58pm; Reply: 59
Cristina, no apology required whatsoever....this is quite difficult to explain and I think I might have
made this clearer from the start had I linked to the oil which shows how these two formulas don't
speak the same verbiage...Sorry it took me so long to make this clear enough for all..Sometimes I
think it's easy to leave out part of a story when you think everyone is seeing what you're seeing.

And if you don't have both the bottle and container of membrosia complex sitting in your house and using it every day, you probably couldn't have understood what I was trying to convey.

Well...I think we now leave this up to DPN if they'd like to create a new label for the powder to get
rid of the discrepancy  -- it would be so much better if both product labels were synched to be offering servings that reflect one another's value of measurement.
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, October 26, 2013, 10:26pm; Reply: 60
Chloe: :) Agree.
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, October 27, 2013, 1:21am; Reply: 61
Quoted from Chloe
Serving size for powder....1 tsp (incorrect for dosing)
What do the Directions on the bottle say? (I don't have the supp)

Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, October 27, 2013, 1:28am; Reply: 62
Quoted from yaeli
What do the Directions on the bottle say? (I don't have the supp)



Directions say to take 2 tsp of the powder, mix it with 1 1/2 teaspoons of the oil plus juice....but the serving size portion for the oil says it's 1 1/2 tsp yet the serving size for the powder says it's one teaspoon.

Powder:   Serving size is 1 tsp....dosing is 2 teaspoons.

Oil:  Serving size is 1 1/2 tsp.  Dosing is 1 1/2 teaspoons.




Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, October 27, 2013, 1:32am; Reply: 63
Quoted from Chloe
Directions say to take 2 tsp of the powder
There. I guess/hope the label is being fixed right now: I don't have an access to 'products and services'...

Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, October 27, 2013, 4:54am; Reply: 64
Quoted from yaeli
I don't have an access to 'products and services'...



Neither does anyone else at the moment.  There is a problem on the IIS server used to host the DNP site.  Hopefully things will be resolved shortly.
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, October 27, 2013, 5:10am; Reply: 65
:) thanks
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, October 28, 2013, 3:46am; Reply: 66
Checking the ingredients in the Membrosia Complex I see, that the dosages of lecithin and oil are less than in the original membrosia recipe: Lecithin is approx. 2.14 grams, and the oils are 1.5 teaspoons, while if I am not mistaken, back in the original recipe each was 1 tablespoon. So I am going to reduce quantities in the membrosia I prepare at home accordingly and hope it's OK. I use only 3 oils: flax seed, walnut, and black cumin, so it will be 1/2 a teaspoon of each.

I continue to take the Trehalose Complex separately.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, October 28, 2013, 4:28am; Reply: 67
This recommendation for Trehalose Complex doesn't appear in the notes for Membrosia Complex:
"Dr. D'Adamo recommends taking Trehalose an hour away from green tea, coffee, curcumin or quercetin."  :-/
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, October 28, 2013, 6:17am; Reply: 68
Quoted from yaeli
I don't have an access to 'products and services'...



Should have access now.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, October 28, 2013, 7:28am; Reply: 69
Quoted from C_Sharp
Should have access now.
Thanks! It's all right now, the server is back.

Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, October 28, 2013, 9:18am; Reply: 70
I agree that the dosing for Membrosia is confusing. That is being worked on.  These glitches more or less come with the territory when you are developing a product that is unique and requires integrating a powder with a liquid.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, October 28, 2013, 3:11pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from Dr. D
I agree that the dosing for Membrosia is confusing. That is being worked on.  These glitches more or less come with the territory when you are developing a product that is unique and requires integrating a powder with a liquid.



Thank you.....YAY!:)
Posted by: katdansing, Friday, November 15, 2013, 7:52pm; Reply: 72
I have been taking the Membrosia Combo for a couple of weeks.  I was wondering if it would be beneficial to also take the Trehalose Complex also?  The Membrosia Combo does have some Trehalose in it.  

And, if beneficial to add Trehalose to my supplements would it be OK to add it in with my Membrosia Combo - I mix my Membrosia Combo with Black Cherry Juice Concentrate.

Hope to hear soon ;D  
Posted by: BCgal, Friday, November 15, 2013, 8:01pm; Reply: 73
I took my Membrosia Combo at the end of my hot water and lemon with beet crystals.  First thing in the morning.  Usually added 1/4-1/2 tsp. of Trehalose Complex to that too.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, November 17, 2013, 9:34pm; Reply: 74
What are beet crystals?
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, November 17, 2013, 9:45pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What are beet crystals?


http://www.florahealth.com/product_az_usa.cfm?sbyletter=R&prod_id=945



Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, November 17, 2013, 10:01pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What are beet crystals?


Freeze dried beets   (Also Vacuum Dried  Beet Juice)

A lot of health claims are being made for them.

Beets in this form are $40 or more per pound.
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, November 17, 2013, 11:41pm; Reply: 77
Thanks, Chloe.  That's the exact product I use.  
And yes, C_sharp, they are expensive, but with my on going liver issues, I've been using them.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, November 18, 2013, 2:53pm; Reply: 78
Quoted Text
I have been taking the Membrosia Combo for a couple of weeks.  I was wondering if it would be beneficial to also take the Trehalose Complex also?  The Membrosia Combo does have some Trehalose in it.  

And, if beneficial to add Trehalose to my supplements would it be OK to add it in with my Membrosia Combo - I mix my Membrosia Combo with Black Cherry Juice Concentrate.

Hope to hear soon  


I am also confused.. I think the intro was great for Trehalose as a sugar ..

Yet, then the message got confusing with: the addition of D-Ribose as a cleanser of the brain and other spots.  So what is more important?  Dr D said that the D-Ribose is way more expencive than the Trehalose.  

I wonder if my interpretation is corrcect?  Meaning for sugar buy plain Trehalose on the internet.. Some here have good connections to it.

,.. for body issues us the Trehalose Complex with D-Ribose.. or the Mebrosia Complex as it has even more good things in it.  
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, November 18, 2013, 4:17pm; Reply: 79
I'm taking additional  D ribose (on my own) because of muscle issues that weren't being resolved
with anything else I was trying. I feel ribose has given me sustaining energy which has allowed
me to exercise a lot longer than I had been....has the ability to naturally balance (or even lower) blood sugar as one of the side effects is that it can cause hypoglycemia.  That hasn't happened
to me though.. D ribose also helps the cell to create energy by elevating ATP.. I'm taking it for fibromyalgia and I like I how I feel on it.  

http://www.endfatigue.com/tools-support/D-ribose.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22891990
http://www.oramune.com/custom.aspx?id=21

Although there is a tiny bit of d ribose in the membrane complex, I feel I need a lot more.  And
I have to take extra fish oil daily or I get a headache from the omega 6 in the oil formula.  Prior
to my switch to the new complex I was getting 1 T of flax oil, 1 T of lecithin, 2 pills of Uridine
and juice.  Kind of felt my own mixture was more balanced for my needs.  But meanwhle, got
rid of the headache by taking more fish oil to compensate for the much less flax oil I was getting
per day.  Not sure if my own homemade membrosia combo wasn't better than the one size fits
all approach.  I'm not someone who ever does well on omega 6 oils.  My body seems to have
a very high need for omega 3 oils.  And maybe this is characteristic of blood type A2.  Animal
proteins (poultry, eggs)  other than fish often make me feel achy.
Posted by: Jane, Monday, November 18, 2013, 4:26pm; Reply: 80
Interesting.  I bought the Membrosia Complex and oil right around the time I got the itching symptoms which I'm pretty sure was caused by something else but I stopped taking it so that I could figure out what was going on.  I just finished the last of the Trehalose Complex I had on hand so this morning I put some of the complex in my juice without the oils.  Leaving on my trip on Friday and I think I'll just order some Trehalose Complex and have it delivered there along with a few other things I need.  I'll try the Membrosia when I get back.  Don't want to deal with odd symptoms while travelling....
I'll have to try and see what works.
Posted by: Spring, Monday, November 18, 2013, 4:42pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from C_Sharp
I see this type of thing all the time on labels.

I think the assumption is people can do math.

I may have to do this sort of math several times a day to scale things to the correct proportion.


C_Sharp, you are exactly right. Makes all the sense in the world to me.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, November 23, 2013, 5:10am; Reply: 82
Quoted from yaeli
I continue to prepare my membrosia according to the old recipe by Dr. D + uridine, and now I add walnut oil to the flax seed oil, both SWAMI diamonds. I intend to add also black cumin oil, which is not rated in SWAMI.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1376860877/s-0/

I separate the Trehalose Complex, taken first thing in the morning in lemon water, from Membrosia, made later in the day. Instead of 1 T flax seed oil, I now make the membrosia with 3 oils: flaxseed oil, walnut oil, and black cumin oil, 1/2 a tsp of each, thus taking half the amount of oil.

I have started to make the membrosia with soy lecithin granules, which had always been putting me off, long before BTD. So I'm planning to switch back to egg yolk lecithin, which I clearly enjoy.

Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:47am; Reply: 83
I was disappointed that my 30 day supply of the Membrosia Combo only lasted me 26 days.  And I was very careful with my measuring.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 7:29am; Reply: 84
Did you run out of both or just the powder?
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:58pm; Reply: 85
C_sharp, they both ran out together.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 5:13pm; Reply: 86
Mine lasted a little longer, but I did not calibrate my measuring spoon and was not careful in measuring.

I presume that you are aware that US teaspoons, Canadian teaspoons, and Imperial teaspoons are all different sizes.

The product assumes that measurements are done using US teaspoons, which are smaller than either Canadian or Imperial teaspoons.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 87
C sharp already posted this in a separate thread but thought it belonged here. Dr. D talks about membrosia cocktail.

http://northamericanpharmacal.com/living/2013/11/dr-dadamo-cell-health-is-system-health/

If you live close I can do this for you-- I have the machine.
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 6:02pm; Reply: 88
Imperial teaspoon = 5.91939047 milliliters

Canadian teaspoon =  4.735510416 milliliters


It was Chloe's suggestion to add a plastic teaspoon to this product.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 6:35pm; Reply: 89
The powder was under-filled in many of my containers. (I ordered enough for 3 months for
DH and I)....

I've run out of powder before using up the oil.  In one powder container, it seemed short by about
6 days. So two containers of powder doesn't last long enough for me to use up one bottle of oil.

I can't imagine that my American measuring teaspoon is wrong.  Honestly, why can't a little plastic scoop
be included?  I rarely buy any American powdered supplements that don't come with a portion scoop.  I think
the cost would be ridiculously low and make it so easy for people everywhere to measure accurately.

BTW, I was measuring very accurately.....leveling off each teaspoon with a knife.  Some containers were okay,
others were under filled.
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 7:18pm; Reply: 90
Thanks, I hadn't given any thought to the tsp. being a different size.

Andrea;  not sure if your offer was directed to me.  I would love that, but unfortunately I live in Canada on the west side.  It continues to bug me that I was in New York City last fall and would have loved to have seen you, but I was traveling with a big family group and they had our schedule pretty tight.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 9:17pm; Reply: 91
Quoted from Chloe
The powder was under-filled in many of my containers. (I ordered enough for 3 months for
DH and I)....

I run out of powder before I use up the oil.  In one powder container, it seemed short by about
6 days.


All the powder containers feel under filled to me, because DNP used a larger container than was necessary to hold the contents.  I presume that is the the size containers they had, so they use it.

Likely I got the 105 grams that I was supposed to.  I was concerned that normally Lecithin is normally fluffy/light, it seemed like it might be more compact after mixing with the other powders.  If the powder mixture did compact/settle the volume might be a little less.

I have not used my powder in such a way that I could determine if it was short weight or volume.  I think that in my case that I was not short it is just that the powder container is the same size as the trehalose complex container and with the membrosia powder weighing 105 grams instead of 240 grams, the container is less full.




Calculating how much should be gotten:

The liquid should give 32 servings (package claims 31).

The powder containers should last 15 days.  

So if one  measured everything exactly and had no waste one should normally have a little bit of the liquid left after using up two powder containers.  But the amount of liquid left should be enough for one or two days and not six.



Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, November 24, 2013, 9:28pm; Reply: 92
It is entirely possible that in the manufacturing of this powder that initially, there was an error in
how these containers were filled.  If done by machine, was there anyone checking to see that containers were reaching maximum weight.  I wished I had called NAP at the beginning.....when I first got my order. The first container I opened looked very light....but the second container was lighter than that...I had to open a 3rd container of powder way before I even used up the first bottle of oil.  And I keep falling behind with every container of powder.  RIght now, I'm one full
container of powder behind the oil.

I've got 3 bottles of oil left and 5 containers of powder.  I should have 6 containers of
powder to use for the next 6 weeks.




Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 8:59am; Reply: 93
Quoted from text
Directions: Mix two (2) level teaspoons of Membrosia Complex and one and a half (1.5) teaspoons of Membrosia Fluidizer in 4-6 oz. of a beneficial juice in the morning. Avoid consuming any fatty foods for fifteen minutes after taking Membrosia.
May I take it in cranberry juice? (beneficial)

Thanks.

Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 5:21pm; Reply: 94
Quoted from yaeli
May I take it in cranberry juice? (beneficial)

Thanks.


As far as I know, there is no limit on what beneficial juice the Membrosia is taken with.
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 6:18pm; Reply: 95
Thank you ABJoe. This is what I am hoping!
Posted by: Donna, Saturday, May 10, 2014, 2:34pm; Reply: 96
What time limit do we have to wait before drinking green tea  with the membrosia combo?  I have been waiting an hour. I didn't see a definitive answer in this thread.  Sorry if I missed it. Thanks!
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, May 10, 2014, 9:51pm; Reply: 97
Maybe shaking these containers before opening would fluff the stuff up and make the measuring more accurate. I do that all the time with my protein drink mix from DPN. Powders can certainly become more concentrated if they are not shaken up.

But Chloe's suggestion about a little spoon/cup seems right on target to me.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, May 10, 2014, 11:30pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from Spring
Maybe shaking these containers before opening would fluff the stuff up and make the measuring more accurate. I do that all the time with my protein drink mix from DPN. Powders can certainly become more concentrated if they are not shaken up.

But Chloe's suggestion about a little spoon/cup seems right on target to me.


The membrosia powder is now packaged with a little measuring spoon/cup.  Easy to get the perfect amount.

Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, May 11, 2014, 4:15am; Reply: 99
Quoted from Donna
What time limit do we have to wait before drinking green tea  with the membrosia combo?  I have been waiting an hour. I didn't see a definitive answer in this thread.  Sorry if I missed it. Thanks!
Have a look at the Trehalose Complex page. It says 1 hour before and after green tea, coffee, turmeric, quercetin.

This us what I do.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP067



Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, May 11, 2014, 11:04am; Reply: 100
I thought that all this was created for B's and AB's ??) ;)... oum sigh...a detournage of ingredients and padaboum we've created a new style for all .... ;)(funny)(hehe) :X
Print page generated: Tuesday, July 29, 2014, 5:27pm