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Posted by: Goldie, Friday, October 11, 2013, 2:09pm
I am shocked how my diabetes kicked up while I was in surgery...

I have decided that  a l l   here who have the propensity for having the diabetic genes from parents that have diabetes, I would advise at all stages in life to buy or have prescribed a small test kit and test any time in life to see what foods and or what stress is causing our sugar to get affected to our detriment.

I was relying on the overall report from my doctors, but after my sugar went high, I am much more convinced that checking our levels is a much better idea, long before it becomes critical.

So many issues are affected by what we do and know, so forewarned is way better then checking later.

It takes some learning but today’s equipment is way easier than a few years ago.  They are also much cheaper and soon can be prescribed by your Affordable Healthcare Doctor.  Seniors already have that coverage and much emphasis placed on it.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 11, 2013, 2:25pm; Reply: 1
Assuming an IV was administered:
I've heard that much of the available IV solution has corn "something" in it...  If true, the corn lectin from the IV may have stimulated the insulin resistance to cause the diabetic symptoms...
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, October 11, 2013, 2:33pm; Reply: 2
My mother always had trouble with her sugar count after surgery.  
Posted by: TheGameChanger, Friday, October 11, 2013, 3:03pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from ABJoe
Assuming an IV was administered:
I've heard that much of the available IV solution has corn "something" in it...  If true, the corn lectin from the IV may have stimulated the insulin resistance to cause the diabetic symptoms...

That is SO sad. And that makes me mad, too.  >:( What a sick country we have. AB do you think the European countries do the same thing in making the IV fluids?
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, October 11, 2013, 3:39pm; Reply: 4
If fluids save a life, then whatever damage they may do are short term and can soon be fixed just the way I am doing now, testing every food I eat and testing all the drinks...

I am educating my self, so that I can first off wash out the effects of radiation and all the things they gave me... actually not very much, but living most the time near the optimum on BTD I was not paying enough attention to more things I could do for my self...  

I however was told that I could be diabetic 50 years ago and never expected to see that happening until my father told me he had diabetes and my brother had it also.  Both had it many years sooner than I, but the Gene was there.  I did all I could diet wise to avoid the label.  Low carb eating for a minimum of 20 years and then BTD made all the difference that I am certain of.  

I did my health right with both diets way before I knew about my family history, but then in those days no one even mentioned the diabetic factors until Dr. D.  I think the knowledge of it was more than helpful, yet acting on it with self testing just was asking too much.  

Yet today that is exactly what I suggest here.  We can do a lot to prevent things IF we know about the potentiality of certain things.  

Knowing since my first birthday that we have a cancer gene on my mothers side made me never afraid of it, yet I never really thought I could get that gene and diabetes at the same time... Oh well so it goes, we have the ability to tell us stories and make us believe them.

Today I am starting all over again to take my numbers much more seriously.  Today I’m in owe of the speed by which I no longer have that cancer growing in me... form beginning to end 3 weeks.. not bad for a cancer I could have NEVER felt... I got lucky all around in so many ways, I owe it to all who went before me to do better and pay attention to details.

If there was corn stuff... so be it, I can wash that out, and on the other hand it took me longer to stay stable because the oxygen levels kept plummeting.  Not a good thing, yet I have low oxygen always and was told that this will tax my heart...  Another something to consider.

I was referred to an oncologist, and will make on appointment as soon as possible.  I wonder exactly what he will tell me about that subject. Are some things connected? Is each a different item - I have no clue, but for now I will allow all doctors to tell me more of what I need to hear...

BTD will soon make me well again, sorry, I still have some frequent bathroom visits (finally) and I guess that this is 'washing' out bad stuff.  But I also need to read the other cancer thread and all the suggestions made there, there is great wisdom there... I owe it to all the writers to pay proper attention... in a few days I will be fabulous in mind body, and mind...  and wish the same to all who read this with early testing if fmily history is any indication of potential issues.  
Posted by: TheGameChanger, Friday, October 11, 2013, 5:43pm; Reply: 5
Good Goldie.  :) And makes me think maybe my adrenal issues started age 23, with the first binge/vomit.  ::) Will be interesting what Dr. Lam says.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 11, 2013, 5:50pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from TheGameChanger
AB do you think the European countries do the same thing in making the IV fluids?

No knowledge of what other countries do for these medical fluids...
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, October 11, 2013, 8:35pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from ABJoe

No knowledge of what other countries do for these medical fluids...

i am quite sure they do- at least both in Denmark and Sweden even to diabetics ::)
- only difference is that i dont think the sugar is corn based here.

good healing Goldie
Posted by: cajun, Friday, October 11, 2013, 10:21pm; Reply: 8
Goldie, So glad you are on your way to feeling better each day!!!! :D
Great news!
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, October 12, 2013, 1:14pm; Reply: 9
Ok... sotay I think this is do-able!  I am religious about taking my meds; I am eating the best - with total devotion, (easy while at home) and in full support of ALL my friends or family.  Bringing this 'cancer diabetes condition' out of the closet was a good thing.  For years and a decade I was quiet about it.  I dealt with it and hid the consequences....  

This equivalent of a 'cancer diabetes condition would be the same as a Brocken arm situation, nothing to worry and everything to be gained by dealing with it- openly and properly.  I will be educating my family about the ways of INheriteted diabetes.  A condition I am not guilty of just as I am not guilty of the inherited cancer gene...  I have made peace with the fact that my stern sister will not give me peace when I wish to eat something sweet.  I know she will pester me and in her own mind learn how to deal with me.  I will need to keep a good outlook about what I can eat and what not.  In her house Alllll her foods are not good for me.  She is B and has no clue - yet she will learn this time around.  

I am going to show her the cancer book, I lost my diabetes book (loaned it out never to be seen again and again) One should Never loan out any books... but I always wish to educate...

I am going to impress on sis the quality of eating my way for so many years before this, and for all time to come.   She will be able to identify with the cancer book, because she had some thing taken off her ear - the other one this time - we are waiting the results of the lab results.  If it turns out cancer again the she AgaiN has found it on her own - feeling like a pimple.  Skin cancer is that way, you need to be vigilant. You need to follow through / which we do, and then it is not a scary thing...    

I wish for all the others in my family to get the message too.  We have some over weights in need of facing some facts... I will buy them a test kit and teach them how easy it is to learn how to use it.  It took me a few tries, but I got the hang of it.  I am keeping a list of foods I ate and the numbers showing two hours later.

I am shocked and pleased at the same time that since the operation a week ago, it has taken the same number of days to make corrections -as in the days I did not take my meds correctly -- a mistake from which I now learn.  My experience so far has been my greatest teacher.

So anyone with 25 pounds over target, and with diabetes in the family, - miht learn from my experience.  Give your own intelligence a chance at preventing future issues and gaining better understanding of health issues later.

---- I plan to champion that each doctors office I go to should have me do a sugar level test Right There In The Office With the Nurse Standing There unless my checkups are rock bottom solid.  Doing this might help many to overcome the aversion to the sticking a finger, to being honest, to learning how to use the equipment, to dealing with the stress of it, and to assure myself and my doctors that I am 'seeing this Health Giving procedure' as standard. ---

My cancer and my diabetes was treated too cavalier in my Doctors office.  They are not guilty alone - O own much of it- but they where negligent in a specific way-- All that computer writing they do- did not cross over from one Doctors office to the other A Major flaw in their system.. We ALL have so much to learn!!!  

Today I a week since my wake up call, and all is well!
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 8:02am; Reply: 10
Ok so I tested and its crazy, but in the middle of the night it is highest.. I am confused about the numbers meaning anything, I ate the most compliant for dinner and all the last few days.. why do the numbers go up at 3 am??  

I am impressed at how much there is to see when I test.. I test more for the facts of learning, at add times, or before eating, to see where I start out with and 2 hours after I eat.. near kinky if it was not  serious.  I think now that I should have tested since age 40 at least when I felt the various issues dealing with aging and in my 50tis during menopause. I might have had much more knowledge even before or at least when I started BTD.

Well, at least now, I think actual finger stick testing is invaluable.  I do have problems with getting blood, I upped the needle length, and soon might start doing the prick on my arm.. might work better.  -- I have to overcome the stress response before I prick the skin-- still squimish about it, I get the body wide feeling as if I just missed a car accident.  

Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, October 13, 2013, 8:34am; Reply: 11
the effect to help yourselve out from catabol/anabol situations! perhaps would you want to re-red Bodo Köhlers booklets and how we can reverse all kinds of situation in understanding true forms of our ana-and metabolismes...;) :D....
Liver and pancreas  is working and detoxing in the nights as other organs do as well.... so far look also about hormon systems and how those come along with cata-and anabolisme as well ;)... and so you can help yourselve out of this dilemma!
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 9:11am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Goldie
Ok so I tested and its crazy, but in the middle of the night it is highest.. I am confused about the numbers meaning anything, I ate the most compliant for dinner and all the last few days.. why do the numbers go up at 3 am??  


Read about the 'Dawn Phenomenon" when it comes to diabetics 3am readings:

I am 62 now and although my blood pressure and sugar always comes OK at annual checks, witnessing the 'no symptoms' dangerous hypertension on family members, we bought us home Blood pressure and blood sugar testing kits.  The bp we use regularly, but the sugar kit, we have not been game to try yet.  Thanks for the advice on taking that next step ...

Thanks for keeping us updated with your progress ... [hugs]

Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 3:00pm; Reply: 13
Amazone I.   very interesting link above and it brought me again to Dr. Clark.. I think she is extra ordianry.. ... thanks..

as for Cristina.. thanks..

I just typed this in the other thread about 3 am low sugars..
----When I read the last post I was getting frightened thinking I would starve, but that might be because somewhere in my mind I still am freightend of being hungry... I wish I could just eat yogurt for dinner... I would starve, I wish I could cut all the portions to minuscule, but the thought still messes with my mind... I think my insides would just up and march up and demand more food... what a silly way to live... I am going to post your A sheet on my O fridge and look at what is possible and no ambulance is coming with sirons blasting... haha....    

I tested my bloodsugar 3 am just for info purposes, and again at 10  am and the numbers differed by 10 am - being 30 points less/// and because I was up half the night I went back to sleep by 4am until 10... So what does the 3 am number mean?  ...

How do you experience your 3 am low or high??

Could dreams make a difference?  What makes us vulnerable?  Who else in the family has the same issues as you do?  What is your oxygen level at that time?  Would a glass of water or something by your bedside be enough to make a difference?

I am just meandering; I only know Blood sugar issues as pre-cursers to diabetes.  I used to be and am still hypoglycemic, and so do not like the feelings of los blood sugar.  I am O so I have no A info, but “I” needed more food then is in the list above.  Is low sugar a feeling or is it real?  Real as in: are you testing (my new mantra= finger stick: Test your Sugar) Maybe we should pay a lot more attention to our sugar IF we feel differences to begin with.  I say that because I think I should have paid attention 30 years ago or even more…  I might have suffered fewer fears and or fluctuations, and I might have done myself a good turn, by learning more about my body’s workings.  Just saying.   ----

I think the link you added was very interesting. I will discuss with a new well vered Doctor about this.. thanks.
Posted by: jeanb, Sunday, October 13, 2013, 3:14pm; Reply: 14
Goldie, are you exercising every day?  That can mean brisk walking, especially after eating to keep your blood sugar under control.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 14, 2013, 7:11am; Reply: 15
ya should remember this: glucose & glycogen is build up from corticosteroide & Insulin (anab.peptid)
STH&inulin induces Somatomedinen in the liver
Somatostatin inhibits it is risen by insulin; it's buld up in hypothalamus & delta cells of pancreas and also in the md-tract which is an oscillating effect.
adrenalin&noradrenalin releases quickest T3&T4... committing a deeper catabole regulation.... and something very important to recognize: anabole activities are related to the cytosole....catabole activities to the mitochondria....;) :D...(wiseman)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, October 14, 2013, 12:05pm; Reply: 16
Good analizing.. Isa.. Thanks..

Then the next step is to Juice...
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:32pm; Reply: 17
:o :-/ ;D ;D please drop the L infront of my  first name ;) ...(hehe)(hehe)(ondrugs)(smarty)and yeppers juicing is one of the best ideas... I think Yaeli can give you some advices and helping suggs ;) ;D...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 2:47pm; Reply: 18
Darling.. [b]Isa[/b]   I know you are no lisal... my fingers where crawling all over...

I love your name Isa.. nice.. and I never met another with the same name..  8) and Amazon fits you to a tee.  Wish I lived closer..  need to get you on skype some day soon.  

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 3:38pm; Reply: 19
I'm not so sure I believe that whole "high blood sugar is a silent killer" thing. I remember when I was pregnant with Jack- I could feel it when my blood sugar was too high. I got a little dizzy and lightheaded, and it would help to have some fat and/or protein. I naturally ate a low-GI diet, as I felt sick if I didn't.

I had the GTT (glucose tolerance test) in the doctor's office; I had to drink a cup of sugary liquid. After one sip, I knew it would make me sick. Had I not felt compelled to complete the lab test, I would never have had a second sip, much less finished the cup! Unsurprisingly, I "flunked" the test, and had to be sent to a lab for a more thorough GTT (a 3 hour test with frequent readings, rather than the 1 hour test at the office with just the one reading.) I flunked that one too, and was given a glucose monitor and instructions to take my blood sugar 4 times a day, along with a restrictive diet to follow.

The first thing I did was take my blood sugar as requested, without making any dietary changes. My levels were fine, and I never implemented the diet they wanted me to follow. I'm not even sure exactly what they wanted me to do, but I do remember thinking at the time  that it cut portions too much and that it wouldn't be a healthy way to eat.

I continue to listen to my body along with trying to follow the portions in my SWAMI. I know I can't follow the portions perfectly or I won't have enough energy to function- as I discovered when I tried it for a few days. But I do try to keep the carbs down to what's recommended in SWAMI. Doing that plus exercise is what enables me to lose weight.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 5:03pm; Reply: 20
My Friend.. your post is sooo on.. Thanks It means a lot to me .. Yes BTD is superior and we have such advantages!  

I don't feel much either way,just that I get more slepy..

I feel way less hungry when I eat protein and Oil .. Oil in place of in between snack is really good for hunger...

I Was am going to print out all food look up pages and keep them for the future..BUT on looking at the list one more time.. I wonder.. might the Diamond foods be low gkycemic?? .....

on looking further .. I think not..

Thanks again.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 10:13pm; Reply: 21
Goldie-shatzala.. I didn't knew that since 2010 (or even before...)  Dr. med. Bodo Köhler became a well known Prof..Dr. med on his behalf... :o :B

must apologize in reality I'm Isa III. coz of my family bla's and on those board I prefer to be Amazone I. ;) ;D...  :D :K)(hehe)(hehe)(grin)(evil)(whistle)(goofy)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 11:42am; Reply: 22
Amazone I ..  from now on its Amazone I  ;D
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 7:01pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from ABJoe
Assuming an IV was administered:
I've heard that much of the available IV solution has corn "something" in it...  If true, the corn lectin from the IV may have stimulated the insulin resistance to cause the diabetic symptoms...
My guess it was corn-derived Dextrose, which is the same stuff used during Prolotherapy to induce inflammation.  This book has a section on surgery -- how to prepare for it and how to recover from it.

To prepare, you ask / tell the surgeon that you want a specific IV, and you start taking specific supplements as far in advance as four weeks.

Another issue is eating hospital food.  It probably had MSG and other undesirable additives.  Plus I'm sure it was so over cooked so as to be devoid of nutrients.

No worries, get back on the BTD and you'll get back into form!

Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 7:12pm; Reply: 24
Oh, and yes, I've been thinking about getting a Glucose-measuring device.

My understanding is that the Glucose response of various foods is an individual thing.  The numbers in Glycemic Index tables are averages, but they supposedly vary widely from one person to another.

I would suspect that the GI rating for an individual would also vary depending on time of day and season.  Indeed, if one can experience an insulin rise just by anticipating a sugary snack, I would say that GI depends on what you're thinking about while you eat, too!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 8:11pm; Reply: 25
Getting back to hospital food and MSG, this quote is very apropos and interesting:

"Scientists have observed that animals fed glutamic acid  become grotesquely obese. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so in laboratories scientists feed MSG to them to induce obesity and pre-diabetes. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats to become obese; the researchers even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: MSG-Treated Rats."
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 8:14pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from jeanb
Goldie, are you exercising every day?  That can mean brisk walking, especially after eating to keep your blood sugar under control.

Yes, this will use up the glucose in your muscles and make room for them to absorb more glucose from blood.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, October 18, 2013, 3:10pm; Reply: 27
Quoted Text
same stuff used during Prolotherapy

Not so .. a good practitioner will determin what items are to be used in Prolo Therapy.. Not all things work the same way.. and not for every person..

Just saying..
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, October 20, 2013, 3:49pm; Reply: 28
glucose always corresponds  with STH... dearest  O of mine always a problem for us da nonnies... :-/
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