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Posted by: HolisticFox, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 8:52pm
Hello, everyone.  I'm new to the forum, and I'm hoping to find my niche here.

I'm a certified herbalist and raw food chef, and recently I decided to turn back to the blood type diet after years as a raw foodie because I wasn't feeling well, and I'm not losing any weight.  

I've been eating meat again for just over a week and I feel so much better.  I think the transition may be making me a little gassy, but other than that, I feel strong again, more focused, and I have almost no more food cravings.  I don’t even want chocolate.  I even feel like running…  And I sure didn’t before!  I’m trying to keep my fruits and veggies raw, and my meat as rare as possible.  I still really believe in the raw food diet, but I know that something isn’t clicking right with it inside my body.

Besides posting to say hello, I did want to ask, how long will it be before I should expect to lose any weight?  I’m glad to be feeling so good and being active again, but my pants are getting tighter, not looser.  To be honest, I’m starting to feel a little depressed about it.  I’m hardly in a position financially or emotionally to be shopping for bigger clothes.  I am taking the bladderwrack supplement, and I can tell it’s helping with my feeling fuller, but not with the weight loss.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
Posted by: Tami, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 9:44pm; Reply: 1
Welcome! I hope you get to feeling thinner soon. I have no experience with O type weight loss.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 9:57pm; Reply: 2
Welcome!

Weight loss can be highly individual. If you're gaining weight at first, it could be from a few things.

1) You could be temporarily bloated from the dietary change.

2) If you're female and of childbearing age, could it be PMS bloating?

As long as you're not over-doing the portions, you should maintain or lose weight. You may well maintain for a while, if you have a lot of other healing to do before your body is ready to lose weight.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 10:05pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Welcome!

Weight loss can be highly individual. If you're gaining weight at first, it could be from a few things.

1) You could be temporarily bloated from the dietary change.

2) If you're female and of childbearing age, could it be PMS bloating?

As long as you're not over-doing the portions, you should maintain or lose weight. You may well maintain for a while, if you have a lot of other healing to do before your body is ready to lose weight.


It could be PMS for sure.  My body is really messed up since I had a miscarriage last summer.  The doctor talked me into an IUD afterwards, because I am not planning to have children, and that made things worse.  I'm kind of at a loss with what to do.  I just don't want to be heavy anymore.  It doesn't look or feel very good at all.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 10:10pm; Reply: 4
Be patient with yourself. Give your body time to heal. It's not too surprising that your hormones might get a little more "out of whack" before they settle down again.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 10:27pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Be patient with yourself. Give your body time to heal. It's not too surprising that your hormones might get a little more "out of whack" before they settle down again.


Thanks.  I have a tendency to just push myself and then get angry with myself if it doesn't happen right away.  I don't know how long the re-settling of my hormones should take, but probably more than 2 months...
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, October 3, 2013, 11:11pm; Reply: 6
Rawtype,
It seems to me that raw foodies eat a lot of good fats (Good!!) but altogether too much sugar...in fruit.
If you follow the BTD but keep some things raw you will come into more alignment. By the way, those veggies that are goitrogenic (brassicas, etc.) might be causing trouble...esp. raw! They can interfere with thyroid function....which can cause weight to stay on or gain. Keep us posted! ;)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, October 4, 2013, 12:56am; Reply: 7
Welcome!

I wonder if a probiotic might help alleviate the bloating?

Please also give yourself ample time.  If you've been a raw vegan for several years, don't beat yourself up for not getting complete results in a tiny fraction of that time!

It might take time for your stomach to increase the amount acid it produces, and your other organs time to break down and use the fats.  Right now, some food combining might help to prevent the fruit and meat from combining and resulting in fermentation!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, October 4, 2013, 8:55am; Reply: 8
Hi there, I was vegan for a period before doing blood type.

Lots of things change quite quickly by that I mean in about 3 weeks, but even years later things subtly get better.

As far a weight is concerned I would just concentrate on being compliant for the first month, or even three months. If you are not eating sweets or chocolate you will lose weight, if not at that stage you may need to look at the quantity of perhaps fruit or starchy vegetable that you eat.

welcome aboard.
Posted by: Enobattar, Friday, October 4, 2013, 12:03pm; Reply: 9
Welcome, Raw O!  Wishing you the best.

I have a daughter-in-law just like you (except she isn't to the point of quitting her vegan ways yet.).  Oh how I wish there could be some way for her to read what you have written!

You are on the right path.  Do not give up!
Posted by: Tami, Friday, October 4, 2013, 1:25pm; Reply: 10
I use a nuwave oven to cook meat with less fat. The meat is very yummy and tender, and it cooks fairly easily and fast. I dont know if the fat in the meat could make a difference with weight for O type, but it makes sense for heart health.

For me, I am losing about a lb a week. I am tracking my food and have limits, so I dont go over. I still have at least 40 to go. This week might work out to be a week that I dont lose a lb, but some weeks I lost 2 so in the end it works out to almost a lb a week.
Posted by: Ladyfrom29P, Friday, October 4, 2013, 5:10pm; Reply: 11
You will lose weight, just give your body a little time to adjust.  You're eating meat again and there could be a couple of things going on that may cause you to gain temporarily. One, is the meat itself will make your blood more acidic which can cause you to retain water in order to neutralize it.  Another is salt, if you're salting your meat that extra salt can cause you to retain water.  I know I tend to gain water weight easily, but I lose it easily by running. You say you feel like running, do it!  Vigorous exercise is great for Os and will help youy lose weight.  Also know that not all veggies are good (eg potatos, brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, etc.) and you need to avoid these.  Wheat and grains must be avoided if you seek to lose weight.  

A number of years ago I went vegan, felt terrible, ate meat again, felt great. I hope this helps you. ;)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, October 4, 2013, 8:39pm; Reply: 12
RawTypeO, another strange thing may be at work, too.  It's based on the fact that intestines have muscles that can change their shape, which, in turn, changes how much sustenance they absorb.  I read about this in the book "Zoobiquity," and you can read this amazing quote here: http://square--peg.blogspot.com/2012/07/amazing-quotes-from-zoobiquity.html

My theory (in your specific case) is that, being vegan, you were missing out on certain nutrients, so your intestines had stretched to their max in order to attempt to correct this imbalance.  Now that your diet is more balanced and nutrient-dense, it's taking in more than usual, which results in the immediate weight gain.  However, eventually your body will reach equilibrium and the weight should drop and stabilize.

HTH
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, October 4, 2013, 8:46pm; Reply: 13
Oh, and that brings up the issue of medications.  As the quote suggests, some medications will definitely cause weight gain.  But folks on the BTD find that they can cut back on the dose of certain meds, and even eliminate some completely, while following the diet.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, October 4, 2013, 9:12pm; Reply: 14
I just want to point out that, while many people are, indeed, able to cut back on medications after following BTD, that needs to be done cautiously. Some meds are used to suppress symptoms, and you can safely stop them as soon as the symptoms disappear- sometimes only a day or two into BTD. Other medications are there to compensate for body damage, and it can  take a few months of healing before you're able to cut back on the meds. Sometimes you need to slowly cut the dosage rather than just stopping. Sometimes you can safely stop the meds on your own, and other times it needs to be done with doctor's supervision- it depends on the medication and what it's treating.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, October 4, 2013, 9:43pm; Reply: 15
Absolutely, Ruthie!  Thank you for this important reminder!
Posted by: HolisticFox, Friday, October 4, 2013, 11:46pm; Reply: 16
Thanks everybody.  I guess patience is a bigger issue for me than I thought.  I'll have to work on it.  I appreciate all your input.  It's a lot to think about.  There are a few habits I'm going to have to break now that I'm off the vegan lifestyle.  Thanks again!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 5, 2013, 12:51am; Reply: 17
check out deflect to help cleanse and balance your body

your starchatarian days are luckily over now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blb7QRwJDXc&feature=player_embedded#t=250
Posted by: HolisticFox, Monday, October 7, 2013, 6:34pm; Reply: 18
So now that I know better than to follow a burger with figs, I'm feeling much better!  I've been practicing putting a minimum of 20 minutes between switching from fruit to meat or back, and that seems to be working really well...  Plus that 20 minutes gives my body time to register whether it's still hungry or not.  Thanks for all the help, everyone!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 7, 2013, 6:40pm; Reply: 19
great move! :)
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, October 10, 2013, 3:54am; Reply: 20
What somatype are you?

You'll probably gain muscle at first, don't be scared of it.

Probiotics would briefly add some more gas. The gas is from the changes in gut flora life. Bad die, makes gas.

Once some healing occurs weight loss from intense exercise will be no problem (given that you have fat to lose, doesn't work otherwise).

Do you do crunchies/situps? A lot of people do them wrong and the muscle, not fat, sticks out.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:46pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Lola
great move! :)


Thanks!  This definitely takes some adjusting, but I learn fast.  ;)
Posted by: HolisticFox, Monday, October 14, 2013, 11:00pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from DoS
What somatype are you?

You'll probably gain muscle at first, don't be scared of it.

Probiotics would briefly add some more gas. The gas is from the changes in gut flora life. Bad die, makes gas.

Once some healing occurs weight loss from intense exercise will be no problem (given that you have fat to lose, doesn't work otherwise).

Do you do crunchies/situps? A lot of people do them wrong and the muscle, not fat, sticks out.


I haven't been researching long enough to know what a somatype is.  Explain?

I've got the O-type vitamins on order, as well as the O-type tea, and I'll be getting the probiotics soon too.

I'm not doing crunches yet, but I'm planning to add them into my routine.  I'm not a big fan of them, but the better I feel, the more I can move, so I keep doing more.  I finally opted to take a pair of dumbells to work because just sitting at my desk all day is driving me crazy!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 6:30am; Reply: 23
Quoted from HolisticFox
recently I decided to turn back to the blood type diet after years as a raw foodie because I wasn't feeling well, and I'm not losing any weight.  


This may not apply to you, but sometimes people start eating meat after being vegan for a long time, but still continue to eat large amounts of the foods that they were previously eating for protein/starch/fats.  This could include non-meat type burgers, casseroles, nut-based dishes, etc.  Or, they might continue eating excessively large quantities of fruit.  These things can cause weight gain.

The type O diet really shines with abundant vegetables, high-quality lean, grass-fed red meats, fatty fish, a little fruit and minimal grains.  Nuts as allowed on your own food list, but not excessive.

:)
Posted by: HolisticFox, Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 6:34pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Victoria


This may not apply to you, but sometimes people start eating meat after being vegan for a long time, but still continue to eat large amounts of the foods that they were previously eating for protein/starch/fats.  This could include non-meat type burgers, casseroles, nut-based dishes, etc.  Or, they might continue eating excessively large quantities of fruit.  These things can cause weight gain.

The type O diet really shines with abundant vegetables, high-quality lean, grass-fed red meats, fatty fish, a little fruit and minimal grains.  Nuts as allowed on your own food list, but not excessive.

:)


Meat is almost the only thing I want to eat any more, and I find that I only even need to eat a reasonable portion before I'm full and disinterested in food at all, even things that used to tempt me like chocolates and bread.  I used to just eat fruit, fruit, fruit all day long and I never, ever felt full.  I like this much better. :)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 12:55am; Reply: 25
HolisticFox, it sounds like the cells of your body are happy to be getting what they need!  :)

Are you eating vegetables?
Posted by: HolisticFox, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 2:55am; Reply: 26
Quoted from Victoria
HolisticFox, it sounds like the cells of your body are happy to be getting what they need!  :)

Are you eating vegetables?


Lots of spinach and broccoli, and now red pepper.  I can't tell you how happy I was to see that on the "beneficial" list!
Posted by: aussielady582, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 3:50am; Reply: 27
I must return to read this thread, keep grains down, keep sweeteners low including honey, rice syrup and agave; keep high gi fruits down, esp in morning, when your adrenal glands need protein, minerals, fat.
Prepare most of your own meals/food.
A little fruit and nuts as snack in afternoon.
Raw juice around 11am if possible, green salad leaves dressed with lime juice, black pepper, olive oil, two or three slices of zucchini, a little raw garlic as your salad; followed by stir-fried vegetables of different colours; and some beef steak, lamb chops, fish or poultry for lunch, maybe some brown long grain rice or brown jasmine rice; but vegetables must be most of the plate.
dinner maybe steamed veg with fish/seafood, or other protein.
Eat a little wakame or arame sea veg with your breakfast. If you like umeboshi plums, eat part of one also with breakfast.
breaky very important to set or re-set metabolism.
An early morning walk also best for weight loss.
You'll do fine in no time, this forum supports you!
Posted by: HolisticFox, Thursday, October 17, 2013, 5:40am; Reply: 28
Quoted from aussielady582
I must return to read this thread, keep grains down, keep sweeteners low including honey, rice syrup and agave; keep high gi fruits down, esp in morning, when your adrenal glands need protein, minerals, fat.
Prepare most of your own meals/food.
A little fruit and nuts as snack in afternoon.
Raw juice around 11am if possible, green salad leaves dressed with lime juice, black pepper, olive oil, two or three slices of zucchini, a little raw garlic as your salad; followed by stir-fried vegetables of different colours; and some beef steak, lamb chops, fish or poultry for lunch, maybe some brown long grain rice or brown jasmine rice; but vegetables must be most of the plate.
dinner maybe steamed veg with fish/seafood, or other protein.
Eat a little wakame or arame sea veg with your breakfast. If you like umeboshi plums, eat part of one also with breakfast.
breaky very important to set or re-set metabolism.
An early morning walk also best for weight loss.
You'll do fine in no time, this forum supports you!


Thanks for the suggestions!  I'm definitely thinking more salads would help, and protein in the morning, rather than late at night.  Some of the fun is in the tweaking. :)
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 4:02am; Reply: 29
I certainly think some salad and cooked veg is key, I need to gain back muscle and bone density, and for me, I think it is the protein in mornings plus the increase in vegetables, and salad and raw juicing, I would try not to eat late at night, as this means your digestive organs are still working, when they are meant to be resting so detoxing can be thorough and cells can rejuvinate, and for sound deep sleep.  Digestive function can slow down after 2pm.  Fasting 12 hrs a day is great, for me, this means dinner around 6pm or a little earlier, then a small meal around 6:15am before morning walk/exercise/yoga, then eating again around 8:45am to keep protein up, as am trying to strenghen adrenals and other glands.
A good salt with lots of minerals helps too, as adrenal glands need minerals to function well, and protein is needed to absorb minerals.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 12:15am; Reply: 30
I'm finding that now that it's been a few weeks and I've figured out the intricacies of fitting cooking around my work schedule, making breakfasts effortless (crock pot meat cooks overnight, breakfast is always ready when I get up), and working out whenever I can, even if I don't feel like it, I'm doing GREAT.  There's no way I'd go back to raw/vegan.  30 bananas a day?  Not this little carnivore!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:28am; Reply: 31
Wonderful!  Breakfast from the crockpot is a great idea!
Posted by: HolisticFox, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:50am; Reply: 32
Quoted from SquarePeg
Wonderful!  Breakfast from the crockpot is a great idea!


It makes life so much easier!  When my husband's mother bought it for us, I thought it was a joke because I was a raw vegan...  I never thought I'd use it.  Now I wish we had two!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 9:51pm; Reply: 33
They're not all that expensive. I think I paid $30 for my big one and $20 for my small one. That wasn't full retail price; I selected the ones on sale at Target at the time.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 10:49pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from ruthiegirl
They're not all that expensive. I think I paid $30 for my big one and $20 for my small one. That wasn't full retail price; I selected the ones on sale at Target at the time.


Ooo, Target...  There might be one an hour from here.  Maybe TJ Maxx?  I'll have to check...
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, October 24, 2013, 1:53am; Reply: 35
Doing great, HolisticFox!  :D
Posted by: yesparray, Monday, October 28, 2013, 12:55am; Reply: 36
Hi, it is great to know about your experience transitioning from raw-vegan to BTD. I am in the same boat so I can empathize with you at some point. I was vegetarian for 20 years, last 4 as raw-vegetarian.
I still -like you- believe in raw food, so I am eating my veggies, having my meat (raw, dehydrated as a jerky) and all my allowed seeds or nuts, deactivated first.

I certainly feel satisfied after having my meat. I did the transition overnight after reading about the BTD with no regrets and not even one stomach complaint!
I was always munching something soon after main meals during my raw-food years, so I was certainly -like yourself- depriving my body from its truly needed 'fuel'.

To the best of my knowledge it takes longer for a O- than for an O+ body to adapt to the BTD.  
I still do not feel 100% tuned though, and I think it is because of lack of exercise.
The best time to work out for an O (for cardiovascular, mental and emotional benefits) is first thing in the morning, and I am not sure if you are already doing that for better results. Any exercise later during the day will only give you the cardiovascular benefits.
You mentioned something critical: " I finally opted to take a pair of dumbbells to work because just sitting at my desk all day is driving me crazy!"
Spending too many hours sitting IS NOT FOR AN O. It is that simple!!!
Type O's who eat protein but don't exercise turn the positive effects and health benefits of the protein into a toxic situation for their bodies.
Try your workout time first thing in the morning (if you are not doing so yet) and see how you go :)

Another thing...Are you having some seaweed already to improve our already lazy thyroid? That is the reason which keeps our mood swings up and down.

I always wondered why many vegetarians didn't look that healthy (many raw foodie included!). BTD has absolutely answered that!

Here's another example. This guy need to start eating animal protein now!:
http://cavemanforum.com/introductions/from-vegan-to-blood-type-o-paleo/

http://www.youtube.com/user/thatoneguyonline


Thanks for sharing your story and progress with all of us!
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, October 28, 2013, 1:10am; Reply: 37
Quoted from ruthiegirl
They're not all that expensive. I think I paid $30 for my big one and $20 for my small one.

There are many of them available at amazon.com - both new and used at varying prices...

Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, October 28, 2013, 5:50pm; Reply: 38
Holistic Fox, I'm sorry about your miscarriage.  

Sounds like you've had a lot of changes in your life and it may take a while for everything to adjust.  Even good changes in your diet can upset your body for a little while.  It's a big change to go from raw vegan to O.  Congratulations for being able to do that!

I went from eating like an O to an A, and now mostly raw.  As an A, the raw vegan diet suits me well, and I feel best when I eat that way. I still eat some eggs and a little cheese, but mostly I eat various dry beans and raw veggies.  It's been instrumental in my healing.

It still amazes me how our bodies are so different, totally based on blood type.  
Posted by: HolisticFox, Monday, October 28, 2013, 7:39pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Ribbit
Holistic Fox, I'm sorry about your miscarriage.  

Sounds like you've had a lot of changes in your life and it may take a while for everything to adjust.  Even good changes in your diet can upset your body for a little while.  It's a big change to go from raw vegan to O.  Congratulations for being able to do that!

I went from eating like an O to an A, and now mostly raw.  As an A, the raw vegan diet suits me well, and I feel best when I eat that way. I still eat some eggs and a little cheese, but mostly I eat various dry beans and raw veggies.  It's been instrumental in my healing.

It still amazes me how our bodies are so different, totally based on blood type.  


Posts like this make me wish we had a "like" button like on Facebook.  I like it, I just don't know what to say back.  Also, I like the quote in your siggy from Corinthians.  Thank you. :)
Posted by: HolisticFox, Tuesday, October 29, 2013, 4:24am; Reply: 40
Quoted from yesparray
Hi, it is great to know about your experience transitioning from raw-vegan to BTD. I am in the same boat so I can empathize with you at some point. I was vegetarian for 20 years, last 4 as raw-vegetarian.
I still -like you- believe in raw food, so I am eating my veggies, having my meat (raw, dehydrated as a jerky) and all my allowed seeds or nuts, deactivated first.

I certainly feel satisfied after having my meat. I did the transition overnight after reading about the BTD with no regrets and not even one stomach complaint!
I was always munching something soon after main meals during my raw-food years, so I was certainly -like yourself- depriving my body from its truly needed 'fuel'.

To the best of my knowledge it takes longer for a O- than for an O+ body to adapt to the BTD.  
I still do not feel 100% tuned though, and I think it is because of lack of exercise.
The best time to work out for an O (for cardiovascular, mental and emotional benefits) is first thing in the morning, and I am not sure if you are already doing that for better results. Any exercise later during the day will only give you the cardiovascular benefits.
You mentioned something critical: " I finally opted to take a pair of dumbbells to work because just sitting at my desk all day is driving me crazy!"
Spending too many hours sitting IS NOT FOR AN O. It is that simple!!!
Type O's who eat protein but don't exercise turn the positive effects and health benefits of the protein into a toxic situation for their bodies.
Try your workout time first thing in the morning (if you are not doing so yet) and see how you go :)

Another thing...Are you having some seaweed already to improve our already lazy thyroid? That is the reason which keeps our mood swings up and down.

I always wondered why many vegetarians didn't look that healthy (many raw foodie included!). BTD has absolutely answered that!

Here's another example. This guy need to start eating animal protein now!:
http://cavemanforum.com/introductions/from-vegan-to-blood-type-o-paleo/

http://www.youtube.com/user/thatoneguyonline


Thanks for sharing your story and progress with all of us!


I'm working out now 2-3 times a day in smaller spurts.  I find that being more active in general is really kicking my body into gear, rather than just having a set workout time once every day or every other day.  I'm taking a dance class, walking, lifting, jogging, and still doing yoga here and there, but not as a full work out.  My body asks to be worked.

I'm taking all the supplements from the basic O pack sold on this website, plus fish oil and bladderwrack.
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