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Posted by: Vicktoria, Monday, September 2, 2013, 10:48am
After eating 3 times little portion of Mackerel (Beneficial for Bs) with white rice with allowed vegetables and spices, and two times pan fried in olive oil little Sprats (kind of Herring, which is a Neutral for Bs) breaded with oat flour, and after that added fresh lemon juice and allowed spices. This all in period of 7 days and now I have psoriasis skin symptom on my left elbow in the end of the summer - this is not supposed to happened that earlier while I were lacto-ovo vegetarian. Usually my skin conditions appears in the beginning of December or most early in the middle of November, if the year is more cold - my skin conditions appears when temperatures become zero degrees Celsius or lower. I think this is because of the fish I've ate.. ??)
Edit: I'm being on the BDT for 20 days, and I'm avoiding Avoids for both secretors ond nonnies, because I don't know my secteror status, yet. I will test it after a month.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 2, 2013, 11:14am; Reply: 1
do you know true ingrediences of all stuffs??).. I've seen that oats are ok booklike but in reality... a true  no-no for that nonnie ;) .... :X
Posted by: Vicktoria, Monday, September 2, 2013, 12:30pm; Reply: 2
I'm sure, I make them on my own!
It is from the fish, or from the poly-amines in the fish (because it was frozen), or from both, or I don't know...
Posted by: wayland B+, Monday, September 2, 2013, 12:55pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Vicktoria
I'm sure, I make them on my own!
It is from the fish, or from the poly-amines in the fish (because it was frozen), or from both, or I don't know...


My psoriasis gets worse when I eat rice and any fish together...maybe it's the polyamines AND the protease inhibitors in the rice..

I very rarely eat rice.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 2, 2013, 2:21pm; Reply: 4
I think you hit the nail....about deep frozen fish ;)....
Posted by: Vicktoria, Monday, September 2, 2013, 3:00pm; Reply: 5
I've always ate white rice all my life and in big amounts sometimes, but it never causes me skin conditions. And I cannot pay that high price for fresh fish and meat. I better retain a lacto-ovo vegetarian...
While I cannot eat white potatoes and white wheat flour, if I'm a nonnie, the rice and the oats are my only available to find and for price meal fillers. Sweet potatoes are rare even in hypermarkets in big towns, spelt and wheat that can sprout are "bio" and are expensive, too. I cannot satiate without any bread, potatoes, rice or combination of 2 of them on a meal. I tried, I really tried, I eat 2 scrambled eggs in butter and a cucumber and sweet pepper salad and 70g white brine cheese and after an hour I'm still hungry. And it is so hard to sprout seeds in cold climate while inside is 12 degrees Celsius, because the electricity is expensive, too, and I'm a poor student on lodgings, not hospice - where all is cheaper.
Posted by: Vicktoria, Monday, September 2, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 6
Some say it is detoxing.. How could I know if it is a detoxing or intoxicating?!  :-/
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, September 2, 2013, 5:45pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Vicktoria
Some say it is detoxing.. How could I know if it is a detoxing or intoxicating?!  :-/

Most of the time it takes additional testing / detective work to determine this...  

Often to find the answer, you need to start with small amounts so the symptoms are small / tolerable and see if the symptoms reduce so you can add more a little at a time so the symptoms are tolerable as you continue to heal.  Take time to allow the body to heal at its pace.

I have had problems from both foods and supplements due to symptoms only to find out that I needed them so badly that the symptoms from healing were very significant, but necessary to make progress.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 5, 2013, 11:39am; Reply: 8
polyamines overload... ;) :X ;D
Posted by: wayland B+, Thursday, September 5, 2013, 1:12pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Amazone I.
polyamines overload... ;) :X ;D


I agree 100%

I think it's best to avoid all frozen and canned fish.
Posted by: wayland B+, Thursday, September 5, 2013, 3:18pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from wayland B+


My psoriasis gets worse when I eat rice and any fish together...maybe it's the polyamines AND the protease inhibitors in the rice..

I very rarely eat rice.


Most likely I was eating CANNED or FROZEN fish :o
That makes more sense. It's probably the polyamines.
Frozen veggies, I think, are also higher in polyamines than fresh. Probably better to eat only fresh vegetables,and not the frozen ones. (less polyamines)
Posted by: Vicktoria, Thursday, September 5, 2013, 6:23pm; Reply: 11
Does the canned veggies in jars with some liquid (vinegar, oil) contains polyamines?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, September 5, 2013, 11:18pm; Reply: 12
read ingredients used....citric acid is not what your body needs
Posted by: Vicktoria, Friday, September 6, 2013, 1:37pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Lola
read ingredients used....citric acid is not what your body needs

Why is that? All citrus fruit contains it, including lemons that are very healthy?




Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, September 6, 2013, 2:20pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Vicktoria
Why is that? All citrus fruit contains it, including lemons that are very healthy?

Most of the citric acid used as an additive in foods (at least in the U.S.) does not come from citrus, but from corn...
Posted by: Vicktoria, Friday, September 6, 2013, 3:46pm; Reply: 15
So when it comes from corn it is supposed to be mostly GMO corn or it may contain high-fructose syrup, I don't get it... The compounds are the same or they aren't?  
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, September 6, 2013, 6:25pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from ABJoe

Most of the citric acid used as an additive in foods (at least in the U.S.) does not come from citrus, but from corn...


Vicktoria  maybe this site might help understanding. Hope this helps

http://www.cornallergens.com/list/corn-allergen-list.php
Posted by: Vicktoria, Friday, September 6, 2013, 6:51pm; Reply: 17
On Bulgarian, I've only found that is a product (a calcium salt of the citric acid) from processing leaves from cotton, lemons and juniper.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, September 6, 2013, 7:17pm; Reply: 18
That is so nice.  Wish we were much more like you. US's food is so full of garbage. The site l listed earlier shows just how bad our food has become.
Posted by: wayland B+, Friday, October 18, 2013, 4:48am; Reply: 19
Found this the other day about sodium and psoriasis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3698836/?i=2&from=/3630300/related
Posted by: wayland B+, Friday, October 18, 2013, 5:56am; Reply: 20
And this:  http://www.everydayhealth.com/psoriasis/could-salt-be-a-psoriasis-trigger.aspx
Posted by: Vicktoria, Friday, October 18, 2013, 6:48pm; Reply: 21
Thanks for the links, wayland B+ :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, October 18, 2013, 7:36pm; Reply: 22
You need to do the best with what's available to you- both what's available in your area, and what's affordable for you.

It's important that you eat enough protein, and it's important to get the healthy omega-3 fats that are found in fish. If you're not able to get fish locally that you can tolerate, a fish oil supplement might be a good idea. You also need to make sure you get enough protein from other sources.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, October 19, 2013, 5:26am; Reply: 23
Vicktoria, consider eating fish once a week and see if the problem might just be that you consumed too much within a short period of time.

I am not opposed to high quality canned fish, since the safety of wild-caught Pacific fish is really in question at this time.  Wild sardines from Norway - I'm eating a can per day right now - I love them so much!  :D No problems.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, October 19, 2013, 2:16pm; Reply: 24
citric acid is used as a acidity regulator
Posted by: marty s, Saturday, October 19, 2013, 10:39pm; Reply: 25
What are polyamines and how do they affect peoples health? Frozen fish never caused me any problems. Wise to stick to non-farmed fish? ;)
Posted by: wayland B+, Saturday, October 19, 2013, 10:46pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from marty s
What are polyamines and how do they affect peoples health? Frozen fish never caused me any problems. Wise to stick to non-farmed fish? ;)


http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Polyamines
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, October 20, 2013, 2:25am; Reply: 27
Some people are very badly affected by polyamines, while others can consume them with no obvious problems. I doubt they're particularly *good* for anybody, but some individuals can consume frozen foods without problems- and in many cases, frozen foods are the best or only way to get compliant foods out of season, or make it possible to buy healthy foods in bulk and freeze until needed.

Wild caught fish is definitely a healthier choice than farmed fish. I can't find any non-farmed, certified kosher fish, so I don't buy fresh fish. I  get a lot of good quality canned fish.
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