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Posted by: Enobattar, Friday, August 30, 2013, 3:38pm
Has anyone who is fairly strict following their SWAMI and then later switched from their regular supplements to strictly the recommended Geno 3-pack plus Ara-6 or Deflect had any noticeable 'ill effects' as your body began to cleanse itself further?

If so, please describe to me your symptoms and the length of time it took for your body to come around.

Please do not respond unless you feel pretty assuredly that what you went through was the cleansing process.

I look forward to reading any and all responses.   :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 5:29am; Reply: 1
the more fixing you need, the harsher the detoxing process

hang on..... :)
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 8:21am; Reply: 2
Quoted from Lola
the more fixing you need, the harsher the detoxing process

hang on..... :)
Amen amen

Posted by: Averno, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 12:23pm; Reply: 3

It was a real battle for awhile, but I knew it was a cleansing process. It'll pass, and you'll begin to feel better than ever.
Posted by: Enobattar, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 4:04pm; Reply: 4
Thanks, everyone.  :)

I'm thinking that it will be better for me to relax a little more concerning my Neutrals and follow Dr. D's advise in not going overboard too quickly with all of the changes.

I would love to think that these last 3 1/2 weeks of diarrhea have been the result of 'cleansing'. But since Doc confirmed that my problem started with a virus in my stomach I'm not so sure???

Could a virus developed due to cleansing???
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 7:25pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Enobattar
Could a virus developed due to cleansing???

Yes.  Virus cells are very small and can live within larger cells.  When larger cells are removed to do healing, the virus colony can be released and work from there.
Posted by: Enobattar, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 10:53pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from ABJoe

Yes.  Virus cells are very small and can live within larger cells.  When larger cells are removed to do healing, the virus colony can be released and work from there.


Really?!  Not that I'm doubting you.  If true, this would explain this whole affair.

I would love to read a write up on this subject if Dr. D. ever did address it.  Does anyone know?

Thanks!!!

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 11:14pm; Reply: 7
This is the Wiki article about virus...  Read it to get a basic (mostly accurate) understanding of how the virus works...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 2:30am; Reply: 8
Viruses dont have cells, they simply consist of a protein coat that surrounds a piece of nucleic acid. They must have a host cell in order to replicate.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 6:35am; Reply: 9
Quoted from grey rabbit
Viruses dont have cells, they simply consist of a protein coat that surrounds a piece of nucleic acid. They must have a host cell in order to replicate.

I realize that they are cell parts - but to discuss it simply referred to them as cells...
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 12:23pm; Reply: 10
Thanks for the education, you two.   :K)

Sounds scarey.

Hope what opened up in me was not the really bad ones!  I'm hopeful that, if it were one of the bad kinds like hepatitis, etc., I wouldn't feel so enerjetic and healthy in between visits to the water closet.   :B

It's going on a month now.  Has anyone out there experienced such a long period of 'cleansing' without a let up?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 2:23pm; Reply: 11
If you have truly had diarrhea for a month there is concern for both

1) Hydration
2) Nutritional deficiencies

If you are confident that it is virus, than you need to work on how you overcome that virus.

I would think if you have not had blood and stool tests to determine if it norwalk virus, cytomegalovirus, viral hepatitis ...    You would want to have those done and then determine the appropriate treatment to overcome the specific virus you are dealing with.

Most viral diarrhea episodes are acute and then your body heals in days rather than taking a month.




If it is inflammatory bowel disease then one would work on treating that. The length of time you have had diarrhea indicates this may be an issue.




If it is not those and instead is correlated to changes in diet or supplements.  Then one needs to identify the foods and/or supplements that are inducing the diarrhea. Eliminate these from your diet.

You may initially have to eliminate a lot of foods and supplements to get a stable body, so that you can identify the food/supplements you have intolerances for.




Identifying the cause of the diarrhea seems key to me. Then you can work on appropriate treatment.
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 3:56pm; Reply: 12
C-Sharp, thanks.  I am staying hydrated and am only taking at the present time Dr. D's A-Type multi vitamin and mineral... 2 each per day.  Plus I am taking a Deflect when I take the S.P. Cholocol II which has the Bentonite clay in it to adsorb toxins, and S. P. Immuplex to fight the virus that Doc prescribed.

I'm mainly staying with a safer menu until this has cleared.  I'm avoiding all sugars, dried or fresh fruit (other than banana (which for me is a Neutral), raw vegetables (and mainly only stems, stalks, and leaves steamed until soft), white rice, homemade white spelt bread (does contain a wee bit of molasses), spices, oils/ghee, and only am eating (to this point) boiled chicken breast, and boiled lamb (to remove and avoid as much fat as possible).  Also very careful with herbal teas.  Using them but making careful observations.  I'm noticing that I'm having stomach discomfort after drinking my current (not organic) diluted green tea.  Going to stop until this resolves.

Still under a doctor's care. Episodes have been reduced to 3-4 x's per day for the last 3 days.  Next time Doc checks me, which should be soon, I'll ask him specifically concerning the norwalk virus, cytomegalovirus, and viral hepatitis as possibilities.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 5:58pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Enobattar
Has anyone out there experienced such a long period of 'cleansing' without a let up?

Whenever I had/have a major healing cycle, I ease(d) off the beneficials (used a higher % of Neutral)(No avoids) or supplements to ease the unpleasant symptoms...
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 6:48pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from ABJoe

Whenever I had/have a major healing cycle, I ease(d) off the beneficials (used a higher % of Neutral)(No avoids) or supplements to ease the unpleasant symptoms...


Nice that you sent this note.  I've been thinking that doing so makes the most sense.  I have an overflow of groceries to use up due to my lack of eating normally.  I've been eating Neutral chicken, white rice, and bananas which I went out and specifically bought to deal with this issue and eat two out of the three daily.

Funny.  I just had for lunch a miso/soy tempeh soup with cooked pak choy, celery, carrots, turnips, and leeks.  (using up those perishables, you know)...  It not only consisted of all bene's and diamonds but also had the enhanced mythyalation combo of the miso and leek... 5 stars!!!

Guess I'd better gear myself for another round.(shrug)  ;D

Who knew this better way to eat could become so.....so easy to put together.  I almost don't even have to look anymore at those combos or my food lists.

Next time at the grocery store I'm going to pick up a head of cabbage and make a mean cabbage soup which my husband will probably fall to his knees and thank me for doing.   ;D

I still think I should keep taking the multi vitamin and mineral of Dr. D's for Type A's until over this diarrhea.  Any thoughts?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 7:07pm; Reply: 15
I think I have a bentonite clay allergy.

I cannot tolerate any product that contains bentonite clay.

It not only would give me diarrhea but also head aches, muscle pains, and exhaustion.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 7:30pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from C_Sharp
I think I have a bentonite clay allergy.

I cannot tolerate any product that contains bentonite clay.

It not only would give me diarrhea but also head aches, muscle pains, and exhaustion.


The bentonite clay sent up a flag here too, I think I'd try not using it for awhile unless it is the doctor prescribing it?
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, September 1, 2013, 8:05pm; Reply: 17
Sorry to hear of your allergy C-Sharp.  I have not had any of those symptoms.  Doc is prescribing it.

As my situation has improved a bit, I keep wondering if I'm eating the wrong things, etc.  Even after doing a lot of reading on the subject it seems there are a lot of opinions out there.  So I'm doing what makes the most sense to me.

But I do believe my taking the Teacher 3 pack, Ara-6, Polyflora, Deflect, Gastro-D Complex through out this time period, on and off, always guessing, never sure if it is helping or hurting my mending; and also taking the Phytocal and Polyvite for A's consistently, might be wrong at this time?  Perhaps it is time to stop all supps and just take the two S.P. products Doc prescribed.

You don't know how much I want to tell him about Dr. D's supps, but I know this is not the time.  That MUST come later... after I've healed.

I just explained to my husband what I think is going on... about my body cleansing perhaps.  This is so he won't worry so.  He has almost completely abandoned the BTD after being 60 - 70% compliant for many years.

He has gained toxic weight (large stomach) because of it and has more than ever aches and pains but refuses to give up what avoids he has once again embraced.... pork, beef, vinegar, etc.  He's an A sec.

This ordeal may just bring him back slowly into more compliance because he just told me that, if I'm right about this and I come out the better for it, maybe he'll do it too!.... but not diving into the program like I did.  I told him that I agree to be more moderate with my diet, too.  Hopefully to avoid more of the same in the future.  (pray)

You guys have been great.  THANKS for the help.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, September 2, 2013, 2:12am; Reply: 18
Quoted from Enobattar

But I do believe my taking the Teacher 3 pack, Ara-6, Polyflora, Deflect, Gastro-D Complex through out this time period


Just pointing out that Gastro-D has a small amount of Bentonite in it.

I cannot take it without problems.

(Obviously this is an issue for me rather than you)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, September 2, 2013, 3:52am; Reply: 19
How about not eating for a day(no supps, either) & slowly sipping small amounts of water all day?
Even good food & supps can stimulate the bowel while fasting slows it down.

If this helps, try it again in a few days & see how you are doing. A month of this is too much!
Posted by: Enobattar, Monday, September 2, 2013, 3:46pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Mrs T O+
How about not eating for a day(no supps, either) & slowly sipping small amounts of water all day?
Even good food & supps can stimulate the bowel while fasting slows it down.

If this helps, try it again in a few days & see how you are doing. A month of this is too much!


Wish I could, Mrs. T O+.  I'd love to see what would be the result.  But I'm like a stick now.  And I have a very overprotective husband when it comes to my health.  He's more stressed than me right now.  If I did this, there would be no way that he would not know.  I'm much too active, even now.  If I were to fast for a day I'd have to be by myself and stay in bed all day.  I'm really in a pickle, aren't I?

On the bright side... I slept sooo well last night.  No trips to the b.r...  It is now 11:30 A.M. and have only had two movements to this point.  Beginning at supper last evening I've stopped all supplements except the 2 S.P. Doc prescribed and today am only taking 1 each of Dr. D's. multi's (vitamins and minerals) divided between breakfast and supper.  Less hopefully is more.  :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 2, 2013, 4:08pm; Reply: 21
so please explain how such cells are able for mutation if they don't posses any nucleus ??)  :o :-/ ??)

all parasitaires cells are known to come along with a certain mimikry... thus found in the early...30ties by Enderlein... if I remember it well ..... ;) ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, September 2, 2013, 5:58pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Amazone I.
so please explain how such cells are able for mutation if they don't posses any nucleus ??)  :o :-/ ??)

Have you read through the "Replication Cycle" section of the Wikipedia Virus page I linked above? (reply 7 - at this time)
Posted by: cindyt, Monday, September 9, 2013, 4:28am; Reply: 23
I'm not able to take all of the supplements Dr. D offers.  I do well with all my genotype supplements, but cannot take the Polyvite O, for example.  So it's always good to try a supplement elimination test, one by one, when problems occur.
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, September 9, 2013, 7:05am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Lola
the more fixing you need, the harsher the detoxing process

hang on..... :)


Oh Lola is so right....I am even getting angry over so many cleanses (but who would not want to work towards the outcome of such?)  :X >:( :B  :P :P :P  I would rather die peacefully in my sleep like Jack LaLanne rather than be in a nursing home or cancer ward.... :'(
Posted by: Adam, Monday, September 9, 2013, 3:36pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Seraffa


Oh Lola is so right....I am even getting angry over so many cleanses (but who would not want to work towards the outcome of such?)  :X >:( :B  :P :P :P  I would rather die peacefully in my sleep like Jack LaLanne rather than be in a nursing home or cancer ward.... :'(


The food my 85 year old mother has to eat at her assisted-living home makes me want to puke.  I ate there once.  Once. :P
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 9, 2013, 4:08pm; Reply: 26
I know that Bruce Lipton once mentioned take out the nucleus of a cell and it is still
able to live... but I didn't thought it was even possible to mutate... :B :-/
Posted by: Enobattar, Monday, September 9, 2013, 5:26pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Seraffa


Oh Lola is so right....I am even getting angry over so many cleanses (but who would not want to work towards the outcome of such?)  :X >:( :B  :P :P :P  I would rather die peacefully in my sleep like Jack LaLanne rather than be in a nursing home or cancer ward.... :'(


My feelings, exactly.    ;)
Posted by: Seraffa, Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 6:50am; Reply: 28
Quoted from ABJoe

Yes.  Virus cells are very small and can live within larger cells.  When larger cells are removed to do healing, the virus colony can be released and work from there.


ewwww *wince*......
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