Print Topic - Archive

BTD Forums  /  Live Right 4 Your Type  /  Lithium and O's
Posted by: Christopher1, Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 6:34am
Have any O's here tried lithium? How do you feel?

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/09/10/type-o-and-bi-polar-disease?blog=27

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-lithium-orotate-5-mg-60-caps

"Lithium seems to work well in most type O's, However, it works even better if taken with 50mg zinc."
-Dr. D
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:03pm; Reply: 1
Hi Christopher -

I was taking lithium orotate on and off for around 10 years - I was using the Hans Neiper Advanced Research brand which is supposed to be the most reliably 'bound'.  Anyway - I found it possibly the most helpful supplement I have taken for anxiety and mood swings.  Also great for social anxiety and performance anxiety (I play in a band).  I found I could concentrate much better and reason with people much better.  However, for me there were a few side effects - one of which I am sure of and the others I am not sure if it was the lithium.  Well I really didn't sleep very well on this stuff - it exacerbated my insomnia - no matter when I took it in the day, or even with just 1 tablet.  Very frustrating.  Recently I was taking it I went through the worst insomnia of my life.

But note that most people have improvements in sleep on this stuff - it seems to be be a rare side effect.  I am an Explorer so there you go!  I react very strongly to supplements.

I also had some water weight gain on it and some bloating - especially around my face.  But that is not so serious.  Honestly if I could sleep well taking it I would be back on it in a heartbeat.  I had no other side effects - maybe a slight headache the first couple of days.  Also I found on 2 tablets a day after awhile I would get a bit 'blah' but I didn't mind as usually I am highly strung and very anxious so it was a welcome change.  It seems to dampen norepinephrine so if you have the type of depression that is lethargic and non-motivated it might not work - although it does balance you out more than anything.

Good luck.
Posted by: Christopher1, Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 3:43pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Loops
Hi Christopher -

I was taking lithium orotate on and off for around 10 years - I was using the Hans Neiper Advanced Research brand which is supposed to be the most reliably 'bound'.  Anyway - I found it possibly the most helpful supplement I have taken for anxiety and mood swings.  Also great for social anxiety and performance anxiety (I play in a band).  I found I could concentrate much better and reason with people much better.  However, for me there were a few side effects - one of which I am sure of and the others I am not sure if it was the lithium.  Well I really didn't sleep very well on this stuff - it exacerbated my insomnia - no matter when I took it in the day, or even with just 1 tablet.  Very frustrating.  Recently I was taking it I went through the worst insomnia of my life.

But note that most people have improvements in sleep on this stuff - it seems to be be a rare side effect.  I am an Explorer so there you go!  I react very strongly to supplements.

I also had some water weight gain on it and some bloating - especially around my face.  But that is not so serious.  Honestly if I could sleep well taking it I would be back on it in a heartbeat.  I had no other side effects - maybe a slight headache the first couple of days.  Also I found on 2 tablets a day after awhile I would get a bit 'blah' but I didn't mind as usually I am highly strung and very anxious so it was a welcome change.  It seems to dampen norepinephrine so if you have the type of depression that is lethargic and non-motivated it might not work - although it does balance you out more than anything.

Good luck.


Very cool. Thank you!
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, August 30, 2013, 3:08am; Reply: 3
I would search to find out what foods lithium is found in, isn't it in organic mustard seeds? I tend to use mustard seeds regularly in my spices added to soup, as is a good flavour and warming for digestive system and to increase digestive strength/power.
It should also be in a good quality salt like Hymalayan Mountain salt, or a good Ayurvedic rock salt, check sea salts too.
yoga also works very well to keep balance in body and mind and to improve assimilation of food and elimination of wastes of body including carbon dioxide which can stay in the cells if one is breathing too shallow - very common, especially the breathing exercises (pranayama), and yoga mudra - one must be disciplined and practise every day for good benefit.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, August 30, 2013, 2:43pm; Reply: 4
I read that - in Japan - lithium levels in the water supply are correlated with longevity. Fascinating micro-nutrient.

Obviously, these are small doses. The high doses used in psychiatry are probably harmful.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 2, 2013, 8:43am; Reply: 5
oops ::) nope but I have had some O'clients and an A and all got tremendiously fat with that stuff... this is often taken for bipolar disorder .. ok we talk of the true stuff not the orotate or similarities as supplements.... :X ;) (sometimes even for affective-shizoid blas') I don't believe that anymore.. we need to get adjusted our mind mentally... not by chemical bombs !!!... Would go for highest amounts of B-vits, mg, zink yep but also a bit of copper...and of course aminoacids as well ! and choline bitartate & inositol... entre-autre....(whistle)

Becomeing aware where your energies are given and not enforce typicall issues like rage etc in O's... it is that simple but while feeling: I'm this and that and have this and that... how do you think you're able to change anything in your behaviour ??) Stop cheating in eating.... be gentle with yourself and others and see how your world will change by taking yourself and others serious ;)... :D

a lot of those  blo... diagnoses are purest inventions of big pharma and lead to
get overdiagnosed and mal treatments by docs... :-(  !!! The more power you give to those... the more they go against yourself .... !!!(dissappointed)(mad)(worried)
Posted by: Christopher1, Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 4:45am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Amazone I.
oops ::) nope but I have had some O'clients and an A and all got tremendiously fat with that stuff... this is often taken for bipolar disorder .. ok we talk of the true stuff not the orotate or similarities as supplements.... :X ;) (sometimes even for affective-shizoid blas') I don't believe that anymore.. we need to get adjusted our mind menatlly... not by chemical bombs !!!... Would go for highest amounts of B-vits, mg, zink yep but also a bit of copper...and of course aminoacids as well ! and choline bitartate & inositol... entre-autre....(whistle)

Becomeing aware where your energies are given and not enforce typicall issues like rage etc in O's... it is that simple but while feeling: I'm this and that and have this and that... how do you think you're able to change anything in your behaviour ??) Stop cheating in eating.... be gentle with yourself and others and see how your world will change by taking yourself and others serious ;)... :D

a lot of thos blo... diagnoses are purest inventions of big pharma and lead to
get overdiagnosed and mal treatments !!! The more power you give to those... the more they go against yourself .... !!!(dissappointed)(mad)(worried)


Thank you for your input.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 9:20am; Reply: 7
better to go for a run instead of taking such medications ;) :D.... the classical A-psychogram is also mentioned in Dr. D's encyclopedia... but honestly...who wants to be *diagnosed* from whomever??) Once trapped... you're bound lifelong... so what ??) ;)... accept yourself as you are,,,,, no role playings anymore... see your needs and find out who you are in reality... much better instead of believing psychatrists or .... :o :P ;) ;D ;D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 3:54pm; Reply: 8
The last time I took Lithium it was at psychiatric doses. I was being treated for bipolar disorder (which I didn't have- just misdiagnosed depression) and the side effects were horrible. Actually, I was put on 4 or 5 medications at once, and it's hard to know for certain which drugs caused the side effects and which ones didn't.

I managed to get off all medications before getting pregnant with my son. So it's been at least 12.5 years since I took high-dose lithium. I don't know if I still have lithium stored in my system from that time. That alone makes me hesitant to try taking it in supplemental doses.

I'm sure that taking lithium in supplemental doses has a VERY different effect on the body than taking it in pharmaceutical doses. According to a quick websearch, I see that a typical "therapeutic dose" for treating mania or bipolar disorder is around 18,000 mg per day. Meanwhile, the supplements are sold in doses ranging from 5 mg to 120 mg. It's going to have a completely different effect on the body! Plus, supplements seem to be lithium orotate while drugs seem to be lithium carbonate. That will also affect how the body responds to it.

In short, comparing pharmaceutical lithium to supplemental lithium is like comparing oranges and lemons. Yeah, both are citrus fruits, but they behave very differently in the body and many more people do well on the lemons.

I honestly don't know much about supplemental lithium, or how appropriate it is for Os or any other blood type. However I know enough to state with certainty that somebody's experience with the drug form is irrelevant.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 4:59pm; Reply: 9
oohhh aaahhh ruthiegirl congratulation to be back on earth... this is exactly what was meant when I wrote that those go against yourselve... and they do in their blo..mistreatments coz they really don't know what they are often talking about !!!

Hope in futur you will always go against such a treatment this is horrible dearle... horrible what they did to and with you .... :'( >:((mad)(scared)(angry)(dead)
A lot of those diagnoses are done and misplaced in humans... and nope... do you think anybody would care ??)... :o :-/ ::)  min. over 70 % of all such treatments are not even worth to speak about... ok I'll stop here and as said wish you all the best ;) :K)  :D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 5:51pm; Reply: 10
I had very little control over my treatment when I was hospitalized. I was in NO condition to advocate for myself at that time- I don't think that anybody hospitalized for psychiatric problems really is. And there wasn't anybody else who could- the only other adults in my life at that time knew and understood next to nothing about natural healing.

If anybody had thought to get me off wheat and milk, I would have been a different person. Other "avoids" cause body pain and such, but those two foods have a great effect on my moods.

Believe me, I've learned a lot about taking care of myself and avoiding the need for hospitals and drugs.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 4, 2013, 8:42pm; Reply: 11
(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)(clap)(smile) great statement dearest amiga mia...and yep... if that time was ok to come along with food changes, a lot of problems would have been solved in advance... entre-autre ;) :D... I don't believe anymore in psychatric diagnosis.. ruthiegirl, I merely observed metabolic problems ;) as discribed... :o :-/ :P :D ;D ;D and so far no need for any psy-drugs at all ! But we need to understand those  behalfs first as well to combine them with psychosomatic syptoms relating to pain...! another :K) and really I admire you :K) 8)
Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, September 5, 2013, 2:57pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I had very little control over my treatment when I was hospitalized. I was in NO condition to advocate for myself at that time- I don't think that anybody hospitalized for psychiatric problems really is. And there wasn't anybody else who could- the only other adults in my life at that time knew and understood next to nothing about natural healing.

If anybody had thought to get me off wheat and milk, I would have been a different person. Other "avoids" cause body pain and such, but those two foods have a great effect on my moods.

Believe me, I've learned a lot about taking care of myself and avoiding the need for hospitals and drugs.


Incredible, Ruth. Glad to hear you are vibrant and healthy now.
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, September 6, 2013, 1:50am; Reply: 13
good to hear you are stronger, wiser and better, Ruthiegirl. good on you!  best wishes.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 12:59am; Reply: 14
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/LITHIUM.htm
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 6:12am; Reply: 15
AKArtlover   Good find on the link above.

Amazone I.   If a person was severely depressed to the point of being extremely suicidal, and was helped by Medical lithium to have a relative normal life now... Would you advise on diet first and natural sups added at first and WHEN reduce meds?    

I am not certain if this man is capable of diet changes, as they might be too rigid...  



And another man who is constantly going off his meds and then ends up in the hospital... would you think it advisable to interfere?

If a person added some of the foods listed in the link above, or others as might be good for this person, how soon would better results be expected?  



NOT taking meds for these two individuals might not be imaginable?  the emotional sadness in both men is extreme.  Would not supervision be needed to assure that either man would comply with diet?  

ruthiegirl  I am pleased you found another way.  All the best to you.  How did you learn what to do?  How long did the changes take before you figured out what to do?   Thanks for the great sharing on this!  A great lady to do so.  Thanks...

Please read the questions above and make suggestions on how one should approach the subject with one of the sister???? She lives 7 hours away from the man that goes off his meds every few weeks- he cannot be trusted to take care of him self.... at least not now... He has blown through a fortune and now is becoming very poor.

Could the mustard seeds addition in food be enough to 'start' with, to strengthen the body/mind? At least to where one could talk to the man and make suggestions?  

Any suggestions would be welcome.  

      
Posted by: Eric, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 1:30pm; Reply: 16
I have a friend (Type A) who takes lithium for bipolar, and she says it works perfectly.  Dr. prescription, she doesn't follow alternative medicine.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 17
https://chronicdiseasetalk.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/mthfr-and-lithium/
Posted by: Christopher1, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 9:56pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from AKArtlover


"Lithium stimulates tyrosine hydroxylase which is a secondary pathway to dopamine production."

Cool article.

If that statement is true, then low-dose lithium may be a beneficial addition to Catechol for O's.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, September 7, 2013, 11:09pm; Reply: 19
From this book... http://www.amazon.com/Colloidal-Minerals-Trace-Elements-Vitality/dp/1594770239/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378595374&sr=8-1&keywords=colloidal+minerals+and+trace+elements
Quoted Text
"Our daily needs are roughly 1/100mg. It is not metabolized by the body. The line separating a healthy dose and a toxic dose is quite fine."
Posted by: Christopher1, Sunday, September 8, 2013, 2:52pm; Reply: 20
Thank you, AKArtlover. I'll have to check that out.
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, September 9, 2013, 6:20am; Reply: 21
My BIL was on it (the drug) for 30 yrs. It changed his whole life (for the better). If you really need it, it is like a diabetic needing insulin.
Posted by: Christopher1, Monday, September 9, 2013, 2:22pm; Reply: 22
Interesting.
Print page generated: Wednesday, July 30, 2014, 9:41pm