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Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 1:15am
My husband (type 0) just spent nearly 2 weeks traveling to London & LA, plus side trips to Switzerland & Germany (1 day each) But he has never ever had any problems b4 with clots...

He stayed in LA a couple of days on return trip & noticed next day one knee was throbbing - he says he was/is not in pain as such, just a really sort of weird feeling... You can actually see a pulsating on the inside of his left knee!! He reckons something must have happened when he was sitting on an airport bus for 2 hrs (he was extremely tired & no doubt feeling tense as he was on his own & not 100% sure where he was going)...

Wondering re deep vein thrombosis... but not sure it sounds like that?! What does anyone think?
Cheers
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 1:26am; Reply: 1
I don't know, Possum - this is beyond my knowledge.

As a person who generally is my own doctor (until circumstances require me to seek help), I would probably spend as much time as possible on my back with both legs entirely elevated (not just the feet).  I would put even support from heels to hips so there is no part of the legs supported only by air.  And I would put cold packs around that knee, or cold water compresses.  This is just a folk-remedy type of approach.  You know if something serious is suspected, I would advise you to seek professional opinion.  :)
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 2:34am; Reply: 2
Thanks Victoria... sounds like what I was already thinking to do (plus fish oil caps?!)
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:24am; Reply: 3
Can't get into the Dr today... Just figuring it could be suspected - Benign Muscle Twitching Syndrome?! There is a Dr (along with a lot of other people) who has posted a video on this condition & watching it, what is happening in the area near his knee looks exactly like in the video...
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 2:16pm; Reply: 4
Please make sure this is checked out!
A diagnosis is important.  How you treat it is up to you. For example, if the blood is thick but no clot, maybe use vitamin E or appropriate herbs rather than drugs. But if there is a clot, use the drugs & then figure out how to prevent this from happening again!  
There are times that the drug therapy is the way to go. Maybe this is one. A long trip like that is not normal for the body! Better be safe than sorry!
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 2:59pm; Reply: 5
Have to agree with Mrs. T.  If it is DVT it can be quite dangerous.  Do hope it's nothing but a twitch but better safe than sorry.  I'd at least call the doctor?????
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 7:17pm; Reply: 6
If you have the slightest suspicion of DVT, contact your doctor immediately.

This is why I insist that this website include a disclaimer "The content on this website is not to be taken as medical advice."

That stated, the issue might be Varicose veins.  Collinsonia might be able to help with that.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 11:46pm; Reply: 7
Thanks... Pretty sure it is what I/we thought (muscle twitching) as he has absolutely no pain & after more than 24 hrs of bed rest plus some magnesium (& a few other things) his leg is feeling fine.. He now just has the flu as the result of 2 weeks running on no sleep & 4 long haul flights...
Posted by: 48346 (Guest), Thursday, July 4, 2013, 12:50am; Reply: 8
Your husband could have had DVT, so I strongly advise against self-diagnosis (I.e., vitamins A+E or fish oil or other omegas) and cannot stress strongly enough that you should get him to a doctor or hospital for analysis.  It could be life threatening.  Even if he has no pain, it does not mean that he doesn't / didn't have DVT.

Please see questions below that your husband should answer before treatment:

Did you husband have any sort of cramp, probably lower leg or possibly abdomen, during or after his air travel?
Any shortness of breath?  Any dizziness?  Any difficulty breathing?  Any fatigue or exhaustion after activity?
Any mild pain (like an ache) in his chest underneath rib cage (from mid chest to side of body)?
Any fever?  If so, what is temp range?
You said your husband has the flu?  What are the symptoms?

Have you called your spouse's PCP?

Additions:  Half of all DVT cases have NO symptoms.  

Also, here are other symptoms I omitted from earlier post that your husband should respond to:

Did he have any swelling in one or both legs?
Was any skin on either leg warm (warmer than surrounding skin)?
Was the skin or the leg (or any portion of the leg) discolored or red?
You mentioned the vein behind his knee - is it more visible than usual?
Does he have fatigue in one or both legs?
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 4, 2013, 1:27am; Reply: 9
Cheers mmctec I got your pm too & thanks
He says no to all of the above questions except achy legs (which he is prone to especially after lots of walking)
Apart from the usual fluey symptoms (which started on the flight home with a sore throat) he has nothing other than a warm head (when I touch his forehead) a slight dizziness initially when he gets up & a bit of a cough (he's been in bed for more than last 24 hrs catching up on sleep etc)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:44am; Reply: 10
symptoms are achings and heat and even some redness and swellings... but it might be he's magnesium deficient??) and btw Possum your hubby was in CH-land...and you didn't told him that I was ok to make a sightseeing with him here in Z├╝rich ??)... :o(eek)(oh)(evil)(goofy)(think)(shrug)...tsk...tsk...
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 4, 2013, 8:49am; Reply: 11
Amazone sooo sweet of you!! He says he would have loved "you to make a sightseeing with him" but he was literally only there for a business meeting & back to London in the afternoon... But he says - next time??!! (By the way you just made his day!!)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 4, 2013, 8:52am; Reply: 12
Quoted from 48346
Also, here are other symptoms I omitted from earlier post that your husband should respond to:

Did he have any swelling in one or both legs?
Was any skin on either leg warm (warmer than surrounding skin)?
Was the skin or the leg (or any portion of the leg) discolored or red?
You mentioned the vein behind his knee - is it more visible than usual?
Does he have fatigue in one or both legs?
Cheers, but no, none of those symptoms & also I don't recall mentioning a vein behind his knee? He  doesn't have any visible veins (or any swelling) & seems much better now (apart from still recovering from the flu...?!)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:12am; Reply: 13
when i had this the swelling went down but on the ultrasound a few weeks later the dvt was visible.

so i try hard to be compliant i take cayenne, bromelain, lemon juice and am vary of eating anything that would make it worse like high methanol food, aspartame, i even tried nattokinase but it made me feel odd and since i was not sure if it was doing good or bad , being an O i stopped it. although i may start it again in the future.

i also use deflect and polyflora much more than i used to.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, July 4, 2013, 1:36pm; Reply: 14
Possum you mean a true stressed hub ;) ;D....(evil)(huh)(scared)....
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