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Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 6:25am
Since I'm in the BTD diet (I have been and come back) has produced an annoying change, during the night I have to get up to pee.

I guess it's because of the high intake of vegetables. My dinner can be: a cup of miso, salad, wok vegetables with tofu and cereals and soy yogurt with fruit, for example.

Is it normal? How do you avoid that?
thanks
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 2, 2013, 7:36am; Reply: 1
;D ;D ;D this is called detoxifying ;) :D...and your whole system seems to regenerate... congrats better to go to pee instead poisoning yourself ;) ....(smarty)(cool)(ok)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 11:51am; Reply: 2
How many times do yo uget up to pee during the night?

How much volume do yo upee each time.?

when do you drink the majority of your liquids?


You could try taking genoma eq during the day, see if that  makes any difference. it's a great product for many things
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 12:14pm; Reply: 3
PC good Questions.. my answer would be every hour and a half.. little output..

Amazone.. do you think I am detoxing?  I sure do not pee enough I retain water..

But this thread is for someone being A... so back to the questions..

What color / smell is the urine, any other changes?    
(and possibly?  to much Soy?? )  Are there other beans that could serve better to feed/nourish you?..

  



Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 2, 2013, 12:16pm; Reply: 4
genau ;) ;D....ok nachdem Deine adresse disabled ist...schreib ich's halt so...versuche es mal mit mycotherapy une zwar reishi, polyporus umbellatum, und  coprinus comatus  ;) maitake kann auch was tun hier...

LG v. Isa
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:35pm; Reply: 5
[quote=13087]Since I'm in the BTD diet (I have been and come back) has produced an annoying change, during the night I have to get up to pee.

I can have (and often have had) the same problem.  Mine is linked to how much I eat at my last meal of the day.

If I follow my grandmother's advise and... "eat like a king for breakfast, a queen for lunch/dinner, and a pauper at supper"... I don't get up through the night.  Also I'm a recovering 'carb' junkie and I can absolutely affirm to you that, if I eat carbs at supper time (I can get away with a little brown rice), I'm up all through the night going.  Best supper for me is a protein and salad.

Hope this helps!

Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:35pm; Reply: 6
I get up one and sometimes two times during the night

I notice that if I don't eat salad, miso, fruit and less vegetables I can slep all the night, but in that case I don't eat like an A ;D

Maybe all the A has to get up during the night ??)

Volume? quite a lot
I don't drink water or infusion since afternoon, nothing for dinner (except a tea cup of miso)

Color? transparent, like water.
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:43pm; Reply: 7
jaff77, You may be losing weight.  I know that happened to me after I started the BTD.   ??)
Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:46pm; Reply: 8
Losing weight? That for sure.
I'm worried about that because I was thin before BTD

How do you resolve that Enobattar?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:55pm; Reply: 9
The correct term for the condition is Nocturia.  I've had that since I've gotten older...started in my 40's.
Ah, to be young again and sleep through the night...
Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 2:25pm; Reply: 10
OK, but I notice a direct relation diet / nocturia
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 2:43pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from jaff77
OK, but I notice a direct relation diet / nocturia


Timing may be the issue.

Have your salads and (high water content/slow water dispersion) vegetables earlier in the day, or at least not in the last few hours before bedtime.

Also, have your fluids (water and so on) a bit earlier on the same principle.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 3:21pm; Reply: 12
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My dinner can be: a cup of miso, salad, wok vegetables with tofu and cereals and soy yogurt with fruit, for example.

Is it normal? How do you avoid that?


try less carbs, or food like cereal, which only help spike up your insulin levels and thus the peeing nights

tell us what type of cereal you have and also what ingredients are in your soy yogurt......gums and emulsifiers like carrageen ore not advised
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, June 2, 2013, 3:36pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from jaff77
OK, but I notice a direct relation diet / nocturia


I'll also notice more frequency at night when I'm losing weight or when I cut back on grains..like wheat. I noticed with me wheat creates a little fluid retention. I'm always trying to police myself to drink water so that I won't have this..but I don't think my  body trusts me after so many years of
not drinking enough water.   I also get a dry mouth at night so I have to have a glass of water by my bedside so I can take a sip..which doesn't help..  I will wake up during the night... a menopause thing, and drink some water. Of course it's a double edged sword.
Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:05pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Lloyd


Timing may be the issue.

Have your salads and (high water content/slow water dispersion) vegetables earlier in the day, or at least not in the last few hours before bedtime.

Also, have your fluids (water and so on) a bit earlier on the same principle.


Ok, I will try no salads and no miso soup for dinner

Thanks
Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:09pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Lola


tell us what type of cereal you have and also what ingredients are in your soy yogurt......gums and emulsifiers like carrageen ore not advised



Cereals? Brown rice, quinoa, buckwheat... mainly
Iogurt? soy milk, calcium and bifidus
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:34pm; Reply: 16
calcium?
which form?
Posted by: jaff77, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:55pm; Reply: 17
calcium phosphate
:B
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:59pm; Reply: 18

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The correct term for the condition is Nocturia.  I've had that since I've gotten older...started in my 40's.
Ah, to be young again and sleep through the night...


Nice to have a name.. Thanks..

More and more there is talk about hormones being this or that.. I am (myself) convinced that aging would be stopped or dramatically improved with hormones.

I am currently taking some homeopathic hormones and am waiting to see how I am doing.. I expect great things including dropping 20 pounds.. and if I am prone to Alzheimer, I will take hormones for sure.. (hot flashes might be a precurser to Alzheimer/dementia...  

I am certain that a few things are a must like B6, Pantothenic Acid, B12 combined with Folic acid might be what is really needed for skin and brain.

I see psoriasis as a skin lesion, I see lesions (scars) on the brain as connected..

I know what has helped me with cramps and I am not taking anything .. I have tons of stuff I took and nothing much worked..

(Isa.. where you saying my connection is disabled?? news to me.. )    
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 2, 2013, 5:11pm; Reply: 19
tried to send ya a p mail and so far I got this message that your mailaddress or perhaps myselve are .... trallala & cha-cha-cha ... :-/(shrug)
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 5:52pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from jaff77
Losing weight? That for sure.
I'm worried about that because I was thin before BTD

How do you resolve that Enobattar?


I began as a size 10.  I know you are male and may not be able to relate to that but it means nobody, and even I did not think I needed to lose any weight.  Since starting the diet in 1997 and progressing through the GenoType diet and now the SWAMI, I'm in a size 4!  Of course my dad thinks I'm a skeleton, but really I'm not too thin.  I feel great  and my last annual blood test came through with all 'normals',and that's what counts to me.

So, it appears that it is all relative.... It's how you perceive yourself.... What might be thin in your mind might not be that thin???  I'm just guessing.  Try not to obsess about your weight and just get on with living.  Learn to listen to your body and it will tell you what is nourishing and what is hurting.  Much sucess to you.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 6:04pm; Reply: 21
I agree with the advice of higher protein & fat at night and fewer carbs.   I think this will put you into a deeper sleep, and you'll be nice and oblivious to signals from your bladder.  Another thing that might be at work is that your adrenals might be getting stronger.  If they sense that your blood sugar is dropping, they'll release cortisol to bring it back up.  But the cortisol can also wake you.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 6:21pm; Reply: 22
there are more bioavailable forms of calcium

check out those at the DPN store
Posted by: SandrAruba, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 11:55pm; Reply: 23
With me it's directly related to the amount of coffee I drink. Two cups during the day, no problem. I get up maybe once but not always. 3 cups and I have to get up at night several times.

However I do drink a half glass of water before going to bed. I dry out in the air conditioning.

Posted by: Possum, Monday, June 3, 2013, 1:47am; Reply: 24
Jaff - Any chance of eating a little compliant cheese before bed? I try not to eat it but if I do, I find cheese retains fluid & also helps me sleep, so might help you that way (even though we are different blood types) Hope so ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, June 3, 2013, 6:28am; Reply: 25
Sometimes during periodic cleansing of the body (due to a lighter, more digestible diet, right for your type), the bladder can become irritated.  This can contribute to the urge to go, whereas before you might have been able to hold it until morning.
Posted by: jaff77, Monday, June 3, 2013, 8:53am; Reply: 26
Great! ;)
I have tried without salad and miso for dinner and I have slept all the night
So I will have to eat them for lunch  :(

Thanks to all
Posted by: sunnyside, Monday, June 3, 2013, 1:54pm; Reply: 27
Jaff77,  I like to know what you are eating for dinner then.

I have same problem with loosing weight and waking up at night.
I follow Swami and eating same type of food as you do.
I have a problem selecting food for dinner.
Eating fish is not easy to digest.
I eat egg and cheese at breakfast and fish and cooked vegetable at lunch.
I eat salad, lentil, almond and peanut for dinner and very comfortable except waking upon a couple times.
Posted by: Spring, Monday, June 3, 2013, 3:16pm; Reply: 28
I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:34pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Spring
I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


My approach is similar to yours, Spring.  Most of the time, I can change position and the need to empty the bladder goes away.  Sometimes, it is caused by *movement* in the colon that puts pressure on the bladder in certain positions.  But if it truly disturbs my sleep, I'll get up.  That only happens once every few months, however.
Posted by: jaff77, Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 7:29am; Reply: 30
Quoted from sunnyside
Jaff77,  I like to know what you are eating for dinner then.

I have same problem with loosing weight and waking up at night.
I follow Swami and eating same type of food as you do.
I have a problem selecting food for dinner.
Eating fish is not easy to digest.
I eat egg and cheese at breakfast and fish and cooked vegetable at lunch.
I eat salad, lentil, almond and peanut for dinner and very comfortable except waking upon a couple times.


My dinner is very simple:

some cereal (mainly brown rice), vegetables (boiled or wok), protein (tofu, fish or chicken) and a soy iogurt with fruit

No salad, no soup and no infusion for sleeping all the night  ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 11:55am; Reply: 31
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With me it's directly related to the amount of coffee I drink. Two cups during the day, no problem. I get up maybe once but not always. 3 cups and I have to get up at night several times.


That would be on interesting test!!   I will do..  ;D

(and yes it is not the caffeine we can get that from other drinks)

The other thing I would also do and see great results..as I did years ago..

Drinking Peppermint tea for at least 6 weeks.. It is a medicinal drink, so may not be needed for ever, but then again why not try it/ it seems to strengthen the bladder itself..   I ought to try it again and report in 6 weeks..

On my Swami it is a super food. Not Diamond so the above would be right try it for lets say 2 month.. then stop or lessen...  (ha taking my own advise???  8)hahaha)
Posted by: Seraffa, Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 1:17pm; Reply: 32
I have always had this problem throughout my life . It hasn't changed even with being on SWAMI. And if I do something different, it's always going less during the day, and ALWAYS going at night. $%*&%^^&^(!!! Explorer physique..........
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 8:41pm; Reply: 33

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I have always had this problem throughout my life . It hasn't changed even with being on SWAMI. And if I do something different, it's always going less during the day, and ALWAYS going at night. $%*&%^^&^(!!! Explorer physique..........


Yes...

But try the peppermint tea for 6 weeks at least it lengthened the time for 45 min to 90 min...  
Posted by: sunnyside, Thursday, June 6, 2013, 1:14pm; Reply: 34
I followed jaff77dinner pattern and it works. Thanks.

I am prediabetic so no grain but winter squash, broccoli, avocado and tempeh makes a good dinner.
Posted by: Lisa F, Thursday, June 6, 2013, 6:04pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Spring
I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


Thank you for sharing this Spring!  I read it a few days ago and thought it can't be that easy. Well, the last two nights - it was that easy!  
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 7, 2013, 5:16am; Reply: 36
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I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


The idea that this is a 'habit' is enormous.

I have some diapers pants (from when someone needed them) I am going to try this.. By wearing them I can have a leakage and not worry much about it.. I will experiment with just not getting up.. It might be a most important experience, not to give in to the 'need' to get up.  

I have often wondered when it is time to switch to pull-ups (or pads).  I know that mom had some issues leaving her house for any length of time, because of fear that she may lose control...  little did she know that she was getting colon cancer. Little did we, her daughters, think of WHY she stayed home more and more.

Looking back 15-20 years later.. I think she and we overlooked so much.  I have no idea what we could have done, but incontinence, even only occasionally, should be investigated.  AND even when it is declared 'we found nothing' that should not be 'believed'.  Something, something, something is going on.   While  not lifesaving / life threatening, it is a loss of freedom for those affected.

For instance, taking a waterpill makes it a must to stay home for at least 4 hours. All medications impact timing of this or that. Elderly people who take many meds may have issues --- that we and Doctors nearly never talk about---.

I am 'elderly' I am near 70, nearly on old lady, but do not think of me that way, yet might it be time to rethink ME?  I do not take,  by personal choice, many pills by choice, yet some things I do may be just as much 'life-style changing' as if it was a pill.  Like certain foods or drinks might cause different timing to visit bathrooms, like coffee in the morning, could all those things also require a little considerations?

Here is the question: is it (possibly) a habit, or can the habit be changed?

Spring ..thanks for your words above... Maybe your youth makes you able to go back to sleep, while 'I' respond instantly to any need to pee all day long -for fear of leakage..  

Could it all just be a fear response habit??? (my gosh could alcohol drinking 'habits' start as innocently as well???? or cigarette smoking for fear of feeling awkward????  Habits...  wow.. (and first I read your response above and thought.. youth will be thought later in life! hahaha                
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, June 7, 2013, 12:08pm; Reply: 37
I used to pee in a male urinal, so technically I didn't get up to pee.  But I don't dare to use it with the new dog around.  I don't want to think about what he might do to it.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 7, 2013, 12:25pm; Reply: 38
wof wof.. Be to funny.. ;D

But seriosly I tried the pullups and added a pad.. .. I forced my self to wait to respond to the need of getting up all the time.. IT was mind blowing.. and yet I think I slept deeper and more at rest..took effort,

but I could see that the mind might have controlled my previous behavior..

I will keep trying this.. whole new idea about constant peeing is a fear reaction...



I tried the same this morning hours .. I was able to use the pee muscles and postpone going three times, even though I drank 3 glasses of liquid.. !!
No doubt without the depends and a pad, I would never have trusted me at all.

I am retraining my mind and muscles.  

A day later.. It was reassuring during the day, and worth a try, it affected my thinking responses more then imaginable in such a short time.. worth a try..  


Day three... Mind over matter, matters in fearful addictions and behavior.  Yes since I gave in to trying security in this my mind has gone to rest.. I still can have a leak problem, but now I lost the fear.  I am not stimulating my what was a constant preoccupation about:Do I or don't I need to pee? My muscle reactions have diminished and seem to have been activated by my fear/by my brain.

This has been a fast 3 days to alleviate addiction to a habit.  The problem of leakage is still one I will now follow through with a proper medical examination, and see what happened during my hip surgery, where this started, or if it is aging and diabetes that creates leakage issues.

Thank you for unearthing yet another look at Habit Forming Behavior.


      
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, June 7, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 39
I do believe getting up to pee can become a habit because I do feel the urge around 3, 4 am that I could drag myself out of bed to pee, but I don't. I manage to feel the pressure but still can go back to sleep...
and even when I'm officially awake around 7:30 and do go straight to the bathroom,
it's not a feeling of urgency. So I do get past the feeling and keep on sleeping.

But I also do rebounding which sort of forces me to "hold it in" so in essence I'm strengthening
pelvic floor muscles while bouncing.

   There were times when I had no choice BUT to get out of bed and get to the bathroom, but lately that doesn't happen.  I'm not getting younger....Goldie, I'm older than you are but I think
this becomes an issue of weak muscles that need to be strengthened.

Kegel exercises help strengthen the pelvic floor which could help you learn to "hold it"
a lot longer.

http://www.webmd.com/urinary-incontinence-oab/urinary-incontinence-kegel-exercises-for-pelvic-muscles
Posted by: Nadira, Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:16am; Reply: 40
I like the idea of going to bed with depends.  I may try it.

I try to make sure that I pee before I go upstairs to bed.  And sometimes I just roll over and try to find a new position.  But every once in a while I have a dream where I'm feeling that wonderful feeling of relieving myself.  No matter how nice the dream, I immediately wake myself up.  I also worry that it might happen in a much deeper sleep.

I also have a female urinal in my closet which I use if I really think I can't get downstairs in time.


Related:  I read somewhere that one should drink one glass (8 oz.) of water immediately before retiring.  It's supposed to help the kidneys, since they are at the same level as the rest of the body.
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:58am; Reply: 41
Quoted from Goldie
Spring ..thanks for your words above... Maybe your youth makes you able to go back to sleep

Ahhh, what a nice compliment, Goldie, but I will never, never see seventy again!
(hugegrin)
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 16, 2013, 10:54am; Reply: 42
LOL...

Drinking before going to sleep or during the night is a great idea... I do not see more 'time issues, but I see more output, a good thing... at least make it worth it.. and by more output one does drop weight..  at least that is what they say.  

As for Depends pullups.. well the hip pressure made the leg cramps worse.. .. I have no issue getting awake and getting up.. I have done so all my life.. BUT trying Depends for a day - really calmed my mind- and gave me relieve from FEAR, which I think was a big issue since childhood.. I once had to stand for on hour and peed my pants.. no wonder I was scared all my life!!  I recommend bedweters be treated to pullups so that the embarrassment factor is done with... it is all like a broken arm.. fix it and be done with it.... so long as you where checked by a doctor just to make sure..    

Yet (honestly) adding a small pad recently has given me a great deal of security.  Much nicer then 'running' -- ok, so I have another one in my pocket...  :-/
    I am so darn graphic just to make this subject 'available for review'.. and this review is not for woman alone.. men have issues too.

It is miserable to experience, and embarrassing to buy such things.. (now I can order the pantyliners 'on line' along with my grocery order from Shoprite.. get it all delivered to my house..
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