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Posted by: kescah, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 1:31am
I have an O type bipolar son with extreme anxiety. Any natural help besides a lot of exercise (which is in the plan)? Any herbs, supplements? Thanks.
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 1:35am; Reply: 1
You might try the Anti-Stress protocol:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/5.html
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 2:09am; Reply: 2
What's his diet like and how old is he? No supplement is going to help much if he's still eating trigger foods (which can vary from one individual to another- wheat is TOXIC for me but my oldest daughter can handle it in small amounts once in a while; but she reacts horribly to potatoes.)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 2:42am; Reply: 3
yup, rhodiola
Posted by: kescah, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 5:27am; Reply: 4
Thank you all. He agrees with the exercises listed in the protocol. He likes Kava- which is  not supposed to work for him, but I'll see if I can get him to try the whole protocol.

He is seeing the good results with my psoriasis since I got on the genoharmonic foods, especially, and my supplements from Dr. D just arrived today. I'm excited about it- and I hope it makes a believer of him.

Trigger foods... I hope he will consider learning about his foods.

Thanks.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 8:54am; Reply: 5
and give a try for mycotherapy as well... but here get tested what kind of mushroom will correspond.... :D augment B-vits, C and magnesium  :D

and he needs to understand how he creates his own fears mentally... here lays the key, too !!! Once understtod he'll be able to stop those thoughts.....(smarty)(cool)
becomeing the silent observer without any judgements......(whistle) in that very moment he'll be capable to unchain himself ......(smarty)awareness is the Zauberword.....
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 1:06pm; Reply: 6
how muchof the following doe he get?

Wheat
Dairy
MSG
Anything artificial

what meds is he on?
Posted by: jaff77, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 2:54pm; Reply: 7
Excercise
No sugar
BTD diet
No videogames,
less tv, computer, mobile
more fresh air, nature, ...
Posted by: Christopher1, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 9:37pm; Reply: 8
Sunshine.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, May 23, 2013, 2:37pm; Reply: 9
No Wheat or gluten.  :) Gluten gives me anxiety.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, May 23, 2013, 5:08pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Lola
yup, rhodiola


I second this.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, May 23, 2013, 8:07pm; Reply: 11
I'm imagining it might be something in his diet.  I guess O's don't fair as well on grains at all.  

This supplement might help too.

http://store.elementalsliving.com/serotonin-support-pwd-1-46-oz.html
Posted by: kescah, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 5:52pm; Reply: 12
Thanks to you all. I will go over all of this with him. I'm hoping one of these days he will go for his BTD or even Swami. He is trying to eat healthier food.

He is 28 and takes lithium and thyroid. He recently came off of clonazepam. Before his diagnosis, we tried natural things, but they didn't help much, so he hasn't been too keen on them. However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  :)
Posted by: Couann, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 7:45pm; Reply: 13
I would think potatoes, wheat, soya
and sugar as being the worse foods for him. I do not know much about bipolar but I do know these foods seem to trigger a multitude of problems for O's in general. As he has not really reached the point to go full hog into the diet change I would suggest using different grains...brown rice and millet for dinner and breakfast foods, buckwheat crepes/pancakes instead of wheat etc and to add to the diet rather than avoid so he does not see it as a restricted diet. I would add powdered kelp for starters. Kelp is great for O's and has all the minerals we need, is good for the stomach and gut, the functioning of the thyroid and is tasty on salads, rice, sliced tomatoes etc. It does not have a strong sea/fish taste so many people who balk at eating seaweed will like this. I feed it to all my guests but never tell them.....some thought it was pepper and sprinkled loads on their sliced tomatoes and did not even notice......I really laughed! Anxiety can often be caused by a missing mineral, vitamin or amino acid. Does he eat meat, what meat?
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 7:45pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from kescah
However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  :)


Might want to consider magnolia bark extract. Whatever - don't try everything at once. See what helps and how it affects one at a time.

Also, kava kava has possible interactions with various drugs, including anti-anxiety. Rhodiola acts an MAOi, and while Dr D recommends it for O's that does not mean it is right for everyone.
Posted by: BCgal, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 8:19pm; Reply: 15
I use Dr. D's  Catechol and Rhodiola  together.  I take one of each with each meal.  The Rhodiola is the 250 mg. strength.  That along with being compliant in my eating and regular exercise.  That combo seems to be working for ME.  As others have said, that may not work for others.
Posted by: kescah, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 9:52pm; Reply: 16
Thanks so much. I am going to make a list of all these recommendations.

I know kava is not supposed to be good for Os, so hopefully the ones that are will work better yet. He does like the kava, but says it does not work for long.
Posted by: weekender, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 11:42pm; Reply: 17

Do this for a week, he should feel remarkably better.

Sometimes a supplement of zinc+b6, and magnesium powder can help to get the rest under control. More than 75% of my patients who present with anxiety will improve on this protocol. After the week if you're feeling better, you start to reintroduce things one by one to find the trigger(s).

Other times it's a personal development issue - they are anxious for life reasons rather than biological reasons. Especially if he's on lithium which does really dull the senses/emotions. Sometimes a good counsellor, life coach, actually get a 5-10yr life plan going (many of my patients are anxious because they feel like their lives are going nowhere, because they've never planned anything relating to their careers/personal lives/goal setting etc their lives actually ARE going nowhere and their anxiety is justified).

Maybe it's a combo of all the above. Or perhaps something else altogether. We are all different.

I hope he finds what will work for him, and he starts to feel better soon.
Posted by: kescah, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 1:15am; Reply: 18
Thank you so much. I'm sure that will that and the other approaches, we will find a solution.

I highly value this forum. It has done wonders for me, and I pass it on to others.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, May 26, 2013, 1:12pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from kescah
He is 28 and takes lithium and thyroid. He recently came off of clonazepam. Before his diagnosis, we tried natural things, but they didn't help much, so he hasn't been too keen on them. However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  :)


Meditation .. And I recommend the Course "Attacking Anxiety and Depression" by Midwest Center.
It teaches you how to handle it yourself so you get control .. and not the drugs being in control. Its a natural drug free way to have that control.  It really helped me get control of my anxiety at a really stressful time in my life.  It basically teaches you that your own thoughts are what cause the anxiety and depression..plus a bad diet doesn't help either
http://www.stresscenter.com/
Posted by: kescah, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 10:28pm; Reply: 20
Thank you, Mayflowers.
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, May 27, 2013, 4:41am; Reply: 21
try what the other people suggest incl rhodiala, but also maybe contact one of the people interested in nutritional balancing medicine on Dr lawrence Martin's site, think of sending a sample of your son's hair to the lab in Ph, Arizona for mineral testing and heavy metal toxicity.  I'm waiting for my results to come back.
in the meantime, regular routine every day inc meals and bed time, time in nature, sunshine, some deep breathing exercises, like pranayama as in yogic breathing.
and think of other sources of anxiety, we should try and choose the right environment, job, food, people that suits our personality and biology. And try and avoid most grains, all sweeteners..  brown rice should be okay, maybe a little millet, amaranth, quinoa.    lots of cooked vegetables (esp some root veg like butternut squash, rutabaga/swede, turnip) with a good heaping of ghee or duck fat (the brain and nerves are covered in fat and need this), plant fats may be too 'yin' for him, so stick to ghee please.  serve with toasted fennel and cumin seeds. a pinch of sea salt and Himalyan mountain salt - which has all minerals and trace elements needed!
Posted by: kescah, Monday, May 27, 2013, 10:04pm; Reply: 22
I'm glad to know that about the Himalyan mountain salt. Thanks.

I went to get some rhodiola for my son, and it says on the label that it is not recommended for people with bipolar disorder. I ust wanted that on the recocrd here in case someone else is thinking of trying it.

I really appreciate ALL these suggestions. He is reading them and wanting to try to eat right- first time ever. :) He's also trying to get on a routine. Thanks all!
Posted by: kescah, Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 2:33am; Reply: 23
The little gray cells have been churning. I have learned much about anxiety and acidity. They go hand in hand.

I have been dealing with severely acidic urine (goes hand in hand with my psoriatic arthritis) and anxiety, myself. Now that my son has been taken off his anxiety meds, we have been talking alot about what to do- and somehow, I can't even remember how, I started wondering if acidity and anxiety go together.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=panic-attacks-as-ph-problem

http://www.livestrong.com/article/35014-lower-uric-acid-drugs/

I've recently switched to Rhus Tox, the current carefully chosen homeopathic remedy for my psoriatic arthritis (not the same for all, but highly likely for folks with psoriasis of the forearms). It is also the homeopathic remedy you take when you've worked out too hard the day before and your muscles are full of lactic acid.

Taking it seems to help bring up my pH a tad, which makes sense. Obviously, if you get an acid out of your system, it will raise your pH, and it does get lactic acid moving- of course, you need to drink water.

According to one of the above posts, anxiety is related to high lactic acid levels in the brain synapses.

When I did a search on anxiety acidity connection, most results were for acid reflux, relating it to anxiety. So those with that problem could work on their pH, too.

I'll be rereading all your replies with this in mind. Thanks again!
Posted by: kescah, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 6:24am; Reply: 24
I've further learned that the cause of the acidity can be candida overgrowth, so the solution is to treat the candida. Begone! :P
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 30, 2013, 9:09am; Reply: 25
there's no enemy outside to blame for whatever.. we need to understand our psyche patterns to come along and work on ourselfs, wheat and other issues can trigger but mustn't...be aware the more energy he's giving into a certain direction the more his
persona will appear; and this is really the culprit and pity but we all can get ourselfs back to the true self,without any symptoms, the more he goes into 7 in the enneagram, the more he goes for flight and fight syndrome... but as said awareness is the key word...and knowledge as well and then implement truth and authenticity(pray)(smarty)
The more we let others decide and interact into our lifes the more we get dependent
and so we need to take all our faith and courage to be ourselfs as we are made ..... ;) no-one is responsible for our life ,health or whatever... WE are responsible for all what happens in our life!!!

Please remember it well...we don't have anything but we ARE it !!! Once understood how mechanisme goe.... the best to cut off all patterns which lead to unhealthyness....(smarty)(ok)(dance)

btw... I observed a colleague of mine working with special homeopathic remedies
healing all kinds of sicknesses from allergies to chronic diseases... so far that
gave me to (think)(think)(think)that a lot seems really psyche patterns and so
a lot can be done mentally....but we need to be aware about such issues as well.
Must be honest I am demanding myselve if not all diseases can be reversed by
informations in homeipathic dosages.... perhaps does it depends also about our given agreements and belief systems ??)...I am really no more sure about this thema....(shrug)(mad)(whistle)......
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:51pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Amazone I.
there's no enemy outside to blame for whatever.. we need to understand our psyche patterns to come along and work on ourselfs, wheat and other issues can trigger but mustn't...be aware the more energy he's giving into a certain direction the more his
persona will appear; and this is really the culprit and pity but we all can get ourselfs back to the true self,without any symptoms, the more he goes into 7 in the enneagram, the more he goes for flight and fight syndrome... but as said awareness is the key word...and knowledge as well and then implement truth and authenticity(pray)(smarty)
The more we let others decide and interact into our lifes the more we get dependent
and so we need to take all our faith and courage to be ourselfs as we are made ..... ;) no-one is responsible for our life ,health or whatever... WE are responsible for all what happens in our life!!!

Please remember it well...we don't have anything but we ARE it !!! Once understood how mechanisme goe.... the best to cut off all patterns which lead to unhealthyness....(smarty)(ok)(dance)



Isa, as someone who's suffered anxiety and depression all of my (pre-BTD) life, I can attest to the approach you've laid out here.

Correct the diet to attain a healthier focus (physical distress is terribly distracting) and correct the inside influences of false agreements and patterns. The difficulty here is the primary change-- in first recognizing our true independence from such pervasive influences as obligation and expectation with regard to our cultural sphere. This requires a serious reckoning from within-- all noises off. Self-rescue is the only possibility here, which is why so many struggle unnecessarily and must hit rock bottom to commence healing.




Posted by: Averno, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 1:00pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Amazone I.


btw... I observed a colleague of mine working with special homeopathic remedies
healing all kinds of sicknesses from allergies to chronic diseases... so far that
gave me to (think)(think)(think)that a lot seems really psyche patterns and so
a lot can be done mentally....but we need to be aware about such issues as well.
Must be honest I am demanding myselve if not all diseases can be reversed by
informations in homeipathic dosages.... perhaps does it depends also about our given agreements and belief systems ??)...I am really no more sure about this thema....(shrug)(mad)(whistle)......


Isa, could you elaborate on this? I'm not sure which approach your advocating.

Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 30, 2013, 2:57pm; Reply: 28
yup complete of mine... my colleague is working with special homeopathic products and it seems those are also corresponding onto the behalf of psyche patterns... so far I observed him healing this way all the named diseases above... and I was very amazed coz it seems that the given informations are totally corresponding to the thema patients were involved with.... :o :D

My O Rh ? cleaning lady has a lot of allergies and foodintolerances, and this guy gave her ??) can't even tell you and this O nonnie lady eats what she wants without any reaction anymore... isn't that fabulous ??) ;) ;D...(smarty)(ok)(woot)(hehe)

and yes you are also right in your first statement about anxiety, I remember this as well before BTD-times and of course are we the output of our inputs in nutritional issues, this is clear but as described we also need to pay attention to our inner voice and leader..... the more we're living in the outside depending onto other persons agreements of being liked f.example or whatever... the less we can develop our true self. The non-identification with the world and its illusions is the keyword for us the fives  ;).. but this is only valide for us;) ;D....
all magnifiquely described in the wisdom of the enneagram....(ondrugs)(smarty)
Posted by: kescah, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 8:49pm; Reply: 29
Yes, I very much believe in homeopathy for mental issues. It has worked on me, and I highly recommend it for everyone. I first found homeopathy when I was pregnant with this same son, and without it, we'd have both died. While recovering, I was so amazed at the effect of the remedy that I began to study homeopathy. I used it successfully on him and all my family for years, but when he got older, all he could remember was the horrible experience he had when a homeopath from another country (where it is typical to dose frequently and high) gave him something that, used that way, made him worse before better. Then another homeopath was unable to find the right remedy for the bipolar in a few tries, and my son pretty much gave up on it.

He is tackling his problems from more directions now than before, so I am hopeful that something will really help. We are looking at this thread frequently and thinking it over, trying a few things at a time.
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 9:11pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What's his diet like...No supplement is going to help much if he's still eating trigger foods...


Are his eating habits more important to him than his health?  Healthy food = unprocessed and blood type appropriate.

Posted by: prunella, Friday, May 31, 2013, 12:09am; Reply: 31
A wonderful read, for those interested in homeopathic treatment of depression is Catherine Coulter's book, The Nature of Indifference. Coulter beautifully describes different ways that depression can manifest, and homeopathic remedies that fit each portrait.
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, May 31, 2013, 12:35am; Reply: 32
Hello kescah and everyone - good to see such wonderful comments on this topic. In case others did not mention, a multi strain or other probiotic (Dr D's polyflora for type O) may help, as I still believe there is a gut/brain connection in many people. I recently ate some grains incl rice, millet, amaranth, corn and dairy (incl sheep and goats milk products), and noticed terrible worsening changes in bowel habits/stools and also more anxiety, so now am back on probiotics, which also has decreased swelling of gums around teeth (ie periodental problems).  It is essential to have regular bowel / elimination habits with complete emptying of wastes.  I also have now decided to not eat grains at all, incl gluten free seeds like quinoa which are high in starch - some people are starch intolerant and there is more info on this on Specific Carb diet sites.  For me, pure animal flesh proteins with cooked vegetables work best, with some ghee or duck fat.  I find root vegetables very grounding, but also include round and leafy ones for good balance. Today I will buy duck, lamb, eggs, and already have chicken and beef at home.  I keep fruit/fructose sugars to a minimum ie maybe some cooked apple/pear, or when summer arrives here, I may have a few cherries or blueberries.  Dr Lawrence Wilson has an interesting link on fructose and also 'yin diseases' on his site which I can relate to.
Pease tell your son that best to sort out diet part now, as damage to small intestine can happen gradually over time, and this in turn can affect function of large intestine - I'm sure he would not wish to be using enemas or suppositaries when he is older.  Our blood needs to be pure and good quality to feel all cells in body/brain, so body wastes need to be eliminated regularly, preferrably first time between 5am and 7am (which is colon energy time in TCM philosophy), also one can try again after meals, I had terrible habits picked up when I was a child, and just out of ignorance, and rushed/lifestyle factors.  One can feel so alert, fresh and good getting up early and leading a healthy lifestyle.
Re bi-polar disorder, I personally feel it is mainly just physiology which is out of balance due to diet/wrong foods for a person's constitution, or not managing one's stresses/emotions, irregular routine, etc.  Many medical doctors use these labels they place on people to keep prescribing harful, strong, toxic pharmaceutical drugs (meds), which can further imbalance the body/mind; plus these meds cost money, and affect large bowel and possible small intestine, by drying up secretions and therefore enzymes.  So, hope you don't mind me being so frank/open, but I really hope your wonderful son does not to stay on prescribed medicines (psychotropic drugs) for too long, he can re-balance and be strong and healthy without them which will be most empowering indeed and won't entail continual visits to medical drs.  I remember my time as a student nurse working in the UK in the 1980's and so have some work experience with doctors and in hospitals. I wish you both the best, keep in touch and let us know how you get on.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, May 31, 2013, 6:03pm; Reply: 33
:K) to prunella ;):D and I'm going to buy this book!  :K)again....(smarty)(dance)(ok)(clap)
Posted by: kescah, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 8:20pm; Reply: 34
I love Coulter's Portraits of Homeopathic Medicines. I just looked and there are now three volumes! I must get the rest of them- what fascinating reading. Is Nature of Indifference the booklet sized one? I must dig that out. I know I have it somewhere. Those little ones get hidden. Her writing style is enjoyable, too.

Averno, you are right, and he is doing more thinking about these things lately.

Aussielady, special thanks for your thoughts. I agree that somehow, it is the body out of balance, perhaps genetically, too, but homeopathy should be able to address that if prescribed properly. I am hoping the best for him now that he is considering something besides the drugs. He is reading this thread. :)
Posted by: prunella, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 10:16pm; Reply: 35
Glad to hear from others with an interest in homeopathy, which has truly saved my life. Also, I have more knowledge of homeopathy than of BTD, so feel more confident in discussing and prescribing/recommending.

Yes, the Coulter book, Nature of Indifference, is the very slim volume. The others, which I also have, are volumes one and two of Portraits of Homeopathic Medicine.
I find all of these books very readable.  The Nature of Indifference, I found particularly clarifying as I observed many facets of clinical depression in my work as a clinical social worker. Coulter's insights have been more valuable to me than the DSM.   ;)
Posted by: kescah, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 4:15am; Reply: 36
I worked for a homeopath and he taught me a ton. I wish he'd have taught me everything he knows, but I was always many steps behind him.  ;D

Homeopathy saved my life, too, more than once. And reading the remedies has greatly helped me to understand myself. :)
Posted by: aussielady582, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 4:08am; Reply: 37
Wish you both best of luck with homeopathy.  I've found ayurvedic trained doctors most helpful in the past, and foot reflexology treatments.  Different methods/natural healing can work well which is wonderful.
Posted by: kescah, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 5:58am; Reply: 38
Yes, I am thankful for the various things that are known today. It's hard to find time to become knowledgeable about too many things, but I have accupressure books and look things up when I need to.

My homeopath has prescribed some ayurvedic medicines, but I've never had a chance to learn much about that.
Posted by: tessieUK, Sunday, June 9, 2013, 4:11am; Reply: 39
Supplement-wise, I would recomend adding in Green Pastures fermented cod liver oil if you can afford it. Vitamin D and omega 3 are well documented to have mood enhancing effects. ALso once or twice weekly servings of liver (chicken or calf, as appropriate for your sons blood type for high doses of B vits (as well as iron, zinc etc) which is also strongly linked to mood and sleep regulation. Other brands of fish oil are heated to high temperatures, then have synthetic versions of vitamins added in, by the way, so that's why I'd recommend the Green Pastures. All fermented foods are highly mood enhancing, since an abundance of beneficial bacteria in the gut positively effects the production of neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, G.A.B.A. I always get a 'happy-high' feeling in my gut after consuming my fermented veg or home brewed (non-alcoholic) ginger beer. The word 'kefir' in fact means good feeling in Turkish :). Diary or water kefir, kombucha, sauerkraut, lacto fermented veg are some examples of fermented foods. You can buy most of those qute easily or make yourself for cheaper (some of the beverages can be quite pricy.) This is a really good resource I found on the internet of a lady who cured her depression through nutritional measures, she breaks down why particular vits and minerals are important and best food sources for them:  http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/resources/book/Chapter8.pdf

Re homeopathy, I highly recommend Heilkunst, which is different to classical homeopathy. http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/ This is something I have seen great results with in my chronic conditions, including anxiety. It focuses on removing the root causes of disease, as opposed to suppressing or palliating symptoms, as in conventional medicine, and even most of the natural medicine field. You mentioned the idea of genetic predisposition to your sons illness(known as miasms in homeopathy)These are systematically addressed as part of the treatment, along with nutritional/regimental measures, and any major physical or emotional shocks/traumas that have been experienced in a person's lifetime, which can all be contributing to a persons condition. Some info here about two of the miasms most strongly linked to manic-depression, scroll down to 'sycosis' and 'syphillis' :http://www.heilkunst.com/autism/book_excerpt.html  

Hope some of this is of help. Best of luck.  
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