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Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 19, 2013, 12:18am
How much protein, as in ounces, and how many times a day do you eat it? Every meal?
I have recently discovered that a lot of my ravenous hunger came from protein/breakfast in general. Now I only eat protein 2x a day but only about 2 ounces each time. I seem to crave tons of veggies and a side of protein. I do however eat plenty of fat. I also am keto adapted for blood sugar/digestive reasons and have found protein to completely mess with my insulin. I have started fasting from 6pm until noon or after and this has done wonders for my ravenous hunger and blood sugar. Then around noon or after I have veggies and dip and don't feel like eating until 3 or after. then dinner at 6. This is from someone who was ALWAYS starving and eating many times a day. Now I fear as an O,I'm not eating enough protein. The dilema is I feel better than ever, hunger is finally under control, I don't ALWAYS think about food, energy is good. I have lost alot of adipose fat, in fact the 6-7 #'s I recently lost were all in my stomach so that has to be good. Can the body just need a rest from protein?? I like it well enough and do feel I need it 2x a day but not big hunks and  that equates to one can of tuna a day. I used to eat alot more but to be honest, I did not feel well at all. I'm under the 36 g of animal protein but probably with the veggie and nut proteins in the ball park.

Any O's do better with minimal animal protein???
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 19, 2013, 12:39am; Reply: 1
size of your palm
Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 19, 2013, 12:49am; Reply: 2
I understand that but how many times a day? How many grams of pure protein per day? I can't do protein powders, they spike insulin, and protein itself spikes insulin just as much as carbs. Since drastically reducing my protein and sticking to non starchy veggies my blood sugar is exceptional. Most of my calories are from healthy fats. Maybe menopause changed things, I used to eat lots of protein.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 19, 2013, 3:14am; Reply: 3
doesn t your swami give you servings per day/or week, depending on your variables and health issues?

design a meal plan using all your frequency values......it is indeed an eye opening project
Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 19, 2013, 3:37am; Reply: 4
yes, from 36g -94g. Too much of a spread to know what's right.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, April 19, 2013, 4:03am; Reply: 5
Quoted from Mother
yes, from 36g -94g. Too much of a spread to know what's right.

My guess is that the reason there is a large target is that there is so much individuality that anything closer would be overly presumptuous...

SWAMI provides the target, but it is still up to us to "get it right"...  Keep a log of how you feel and experiment within the range.  Modify as necessary...  You can find the answer for you.  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 19, 2013, 5:51am; Reply: 6
did you let swami compute the servings for you?

100 gr of meat isn t that much meat either

so just stay within the limits
Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 19, 2013, 12:33pm; Reply: 7
100 g protein is about 16 oz. That's alot for me. I only eat about 5 now and that feels right but seems very little.

Thanks ABJoe,
The biggest problem is anything over 2.5 oz raises blood sugar/insulin and I try to wait 4 hours between protein meals to let insulin come back to normal. I also started the fasting from 6pm until at least noon and that has helped tremendously with the hunger issue so there isn't much time in the day to eat more. I'm finding it feels good though. I guess I'll just do this and see where it takes me. Fat is definately my fuel so I try to keep that up as I don't want to catabolize my muscles. It just 'seems' kind of vegetarianish. But I suppose some animal protein is better than none.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, April 19, 2013, 3:37pm; Reply: 8
Listen to your body. If you do best on less food than SWAMI recommends, then do that. I find that SWAMI doesn't give me nearly enough food- when I  tried to stick to it carefully for 2 or 3 days in a row, I felt faint and weak. I increased my protein portions and immediately felt better.

I'm also doing very well eating frequent small meals. I have much more energy when I start the day with a fruit/nut muffin and then have 2 eggs and lots of veggies a couple of hours later. When I waited to have breakfast until 10:00 AM, I'd get lightheaded and un-focused, and I really couldn't get myself moving or energized all day. Small frequent meals seem to work a whole lot better for me- fasting just leaves me weak.

SWAMI is a great computer program, but it's not nearly as complex as the human body. It's a wonderful starting point, but many of us need to make adjustments to it in order to obtain optimal health.

Do what works for you, and don't worry if that deviates from what SWAMI recommends, or if any other Os are doing the same thing or not.
Posted by: san j, Friday, April 19, 2013, 3:59pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from ruthiegirl
SWAMI is a great computer program, but it's not nearly as complex as the human body. It's a wonderful starting point, but many of us need to make adjustments to it in order to obtain optimal health.

Do what works for you, and don't worry if that deviates from what SWAMI recommends, or if any other Os are doing the same thing or not.

This is the sort of advice that works with virtually every question posed on this board, ever.
IMO, it's the Overarching Teaching of Peter D'Adamo, and if everyone really got this, there wouldn't be much of a forum, here, or its emphasis would be other than it currently is.

Peter D'Adamo's work is itself a Starting Point. Indeed, his entire life's work is a matter of putting into words and concepts and theories and recommendations that which the organism already knows. He's a translator, if you will. He is in the business of deciphering codes that finely-tuned intuition may already be doing perfectly, thank you.
The stronger that intuition becomes, the less punctilious about "compliance" to the written formulae one need be.
Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 19, 2013, 6:58pm; Reply: 10
I was hoping that as an O, I may have gotten some different advice than to just do what feels right. For 5 years I have heard nothing but O's need meat meat meat etc. Perhaps I have then wasted my time studying BT, SWAMI and hunter guidelines if in the end I am to follow my own intuition. Hmmmm.....thanks anyway
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:48am; Reply: 11
MOTHER- a 100 grams of meat is a little over 3 ounces but is only 21 grams of protein.

28.?g-1oz

a lot of people get this mixed up.
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, April 25, 2013, 2:03am; Reply: 12
Thanks Geminisue,

I know 28.3 g of meat ='s 1 gram. So when SWAMI says 5-7 oz of protein, what do you equate that to? It recommends 5-7 oz 13x week. I take that to mean 65-91 g per day. Am I wrong? That's what it recommends but if I do less frequent smaller it says 3-5 12x week and I take that to mean 36-60g a day. I get the difference between protein weight and grams of absolute protein. I'm eating about 24-36 g of animal protein but then factor in veg and nut proteins. I know I'm still minimal but this is what I feel best on but have lost weight to the point I don't want to lose more at all. Since menopause I just don't feel like lots of protein, I'm loving my veggies and nut fats. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I actually weigh my protein as it raises my blood sugar over 2 oz at a time. It also spikes insulin as much as carbs and I like to keep my insulin low as well. So basically, I'm eating 24-36 g animal protein a day and the rest from veggies and nuts. I feel way less bogged down and more energetic and balanced but it still seems minimal compared to what I used to eat
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 2:58am; Reply: 13
It sounds like you are getting enough protein.  I need more than my SWAMI says, but we are all individuals.
You had an early menopause. Maybe that has something to do with things. Focus on eating the right foods & don't worry about portions for now.
If you eat 3 oz. of meat (I assume that includes fish & poultry) & some nuts, that sounds good to me. An occasional egg & avocado, if allowed add protein, too.
You will be fine!

BTW, I sometimes root for the Packers, but don't tell my Chicago friends! :)
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 1:35pm; Reply: 14
Thanks Mrs T O+,

I just worry a bit because just 2 years ago I needed more than SWAMI but now way less. I lost a lot of weight but I can't eat anything that makes you gain weight due to raising blood sugar and digestion. I do more Paleo, no grains, legumes, sweeteners/sugars starches. My arms are kinda gross skinny. The rest of me is fine but thin. I'm going to up my yoga, that always helps.

I do think meno changed things and I do eat the right foods. I do far more fish, then cornish or turkey than red meats. They don't make me feel well unless I crave it. I do do the occasional egg and avocado (avoid) but there are worse things I could eat.

Thanks for making me feel better!! Go Pack! LOL
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