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Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Friday, March 22, 2013, 2:45am
I have some paleo food blogs that I like to read. Many of them really advise using grass fed tallow and gelatin, both from beef. I'm thinking of trying them sometime and I think they're fine for me but my swami has gelatin and lard as avoids. I'm assuming this is because they both come from pork. I'm also under the impression that explorers should go easy on fats as my swami doesn't give me very large amounts. However I've recently been able to finally incorporate ghee into my diet (so happy about that!) and it seems like I really crave it and easily go over the portions. If I tweak a few things I can easily become a hunter and I was thinking they need more fat. Anyway, anyone care to clear this up?
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 22, 2013, 2:51am; Reply: 1
Quoted from 16796
I have some paleo food blogs that I like to read. Many of them really advise using grass fed tallow and gelatin, both from beef. I'm thinking of trying them sometime and I think they're fine for me but my swami has gelatin and lard as avoids. I'm assuming this is because they both come from pork. I'm also under the impression that explorers should go easy on fats as my swami doesn't give me very large amounts. However I've recently been able to finally incorporate ghee into my diet (so happy about that!) and it seems like I really crave it and easily go over the portions. If I tweak a few things I can easily become a hunter and I was thinking they need more fat. Anyway, anyone care to clear this up?

Bone broth from complaint sources is great.  Even vegetable gelatin is great when it is from compliant foods.

Many O's have a hard time sticking to the fat portions in SWAMI, so I wouldn't doubt it may seem too limiting.  I use the portion sizes and frequency as a guide, but if I feel the need, I go over...  I think it is part of the "do what feels right to you" statement.
Posted by: kitari, Friday, March 22, 2013, 3:28am; Reply: 2
I was under the impression that the guidelines were there for a reason and should be followed.  I think it's our past junk food trained tastes that makes us want more fat but unless we are involved in strenuous physical labor on a daily basis why would we need more.  

When I first started reading the forums many people were advocating eating more fat and animal protein than the diets recommended so I thought maybe I had read the books wrong.  I soon realized that for whatever reasons it was just people's opinions and not the results of Dr. D'Adamo's research.  I try to stick to the diet.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Friday, March 22, 2013, 3:56am; Reply: 3
I want to make bone broth soon, just not wanting to hear how weird or gross it is from my family. I mainly want the gelatin granules so I can make jello or fruit gummies for snacks. Grass fed beef tallow and gelatin powder, yea or nay?
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, March 22, 2013, 4:30am; Reply: 4
I don't know, Rachel - I eat a little more ghee than my SWAMI advises, but that is because I don't eat any other dairy and therefore don't eat any other dairy fat which would be allowed for my diet.  But I would not eat a food that was not listed as good for me on my SWAMI even if the Paleo approach is good in many ways.  They don't have the understanding of individual health needs like Dr. D does.

If you feel a need for more fat, I'd rather see you increase the fats that Dr. D says are good for you.  Or cook with more fat-rich pieces of meat, or eat fatty fish with the skins left on - expand upon what he has already said is good for your body.

I'm a real fan of bone stock and I use only the knuckle bones from grass-fed cows.  Cooked all day, they produce a wonderful gel that stands up just like jello.  It is so satisfying!  Well, I guess beef gelatin is similar, if it is a truly natural product that you're thinking of buying.  How processed is it?
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, March 22, 2013, 1:19pm; Reply: 5
Hunters and nomads do not need to be as concerned about fat content as explorers and gatherers, mainly in meats.

Explorers need to keep their blood nourished and livers healthy.  Too much fat will strain the liver.  Explorers have alot of endurance physically, so if you are getting tired easy, perhaps it is good to nourish the blood with some iron from compliant meats and bone stock and stuff like that.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 22, 2013, 3:33pm; Reply: 6
Dr D has not commented on it directly. We can only look at the research and try to come to our own conclusions.

Both bone broths and bone marrow soup are beneficial for Explorers. Both of those soups are high in gelatin. I, personally, would assume that means that gelatin from compliant sources is beneficial. I'm extrapolating that from how I interpret the data; Dr D himself has not said this. Gelatin is listed as an "avoid" under "condiments" but that may refer to commercial pig gelatin. OTOH, he may have meant that gelatin in the form of whole broth is fine but there's something about the processing into "pure gelatin" that's problematic. You need to decide for yourself what you're comfortable doing.

Beef tallow is not mentioned specifically under "red meats" or "fats and oils." I therefore assume it has the same rating as the whole beef. I make the same assumptions about chicken fat and turkey fat. Lard is an "avoid" but then so are all pork products. Even though I take the rating from the meat it comes from, I'd suggest following the "fats and oils" serving size and frequency guidelines for  tallow.

Use common sense with the portion size guidelines. Most Explorers don't do well on very high fat diets- Gatherers and Hunters do better with the extra fat than Explorers do. Start by trying to follow the amounts recommended in SWAMI or your book (whichever you're following.) If that leaves you hungry, try increasing the portions.  I think it's a good idea to start by following the portion recommendations as closely as possible, and only adjust them if necessary.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 22, 2013, 4:07pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from 16796
Grass fed beef tallow and gelatin powder, yea or nay?

As long as the "Grass fed beef" applies to the gelatin powder also, I would say "yes", within limits close to SWAMI recommendations.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 22, 2013, 8:43pm; Reply: 8
make aspic rachel!
google it or try utube

beef jello with added veggies
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Sunday, March 24, 2013, 9:47pm; Reply: 9
Thanks guys. I think I will try them later on. I need to try bone broth first.
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