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Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 9:17pm
And if so, when do you eat your first meal? I find if I eat breakfast I'm hungry soon after and all day long. Something very light is OK but nothing substantial. I still eat 3 small meals a day, they are just later, and nothing after dinner around 6. Might be something to this IF or 8 hour feeding window kinda thing for me.
Posted by: gardengirl, Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:26pm; Reply: 1
I am starting IF with a 6-8 hour window because once I start eating I have a hard time stopping. Now that I am totally off gluten I am gaining weight much quicker than I ever have thanks to proper absorption, I'm sure. I don't have a weight issue even now but I know I will get one if I keep snacking all day. Plus I like the idea of two big meals and letting my body rest. I eat at 12:00 and stop eating around 6 or 8:00. It has only been a week and I did cheat by having a banana and almond butter because I tried rye bread (made by me so I could control the ingredients) and it totally set me off so I decided to eat something to start my day until my digestion is more balanced. I so wish I could have been tested for Celiac last year because I know something is very wrong there.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:33pm; Reply: 2
I'm still trying to figure out what meal schedule is going to work for me. I know my Mom is doing well with 5 snacks plus one meal a day (Medi-fast). Even before she was on this particular program, she still ate frequent snacks and always keeps nutrition bars in her purse for those "snacks" when she's not at home. We're both O+, she doesn't know her secretor status, she's been diagnosed with Type II diabetes- I haven't been diagnosed but have all the tendencies for it. I'm a Gatherer and I'm pretty sure she is as well.

I know she'd never consider IF and is convinced she needs to eat every few hours to keep her blood sugar stable. I'm not sure if I'm the same way since I have her epigenetic influence or if something else would work better for me.

I've not had much energy in a long time, so it's hard to know if what I've been doing is "working for me" or not. I know to eat lots of protein and veggies, and keep the carbs down.  But I have yet to figure out if I'm better off with a few big meals (and fast in between) or if I'd do better with smaller meals more frequently. I do know that I do poorly when I eat too little overall, and gain weight when I eat too much overall.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 12:31am; Reply: 3
I used to snack frequently, like all day long but just a little at a time and believe it or not, that's what caused blood sugar problems for me. It was the constant raising of insulin. I was never diagnosed as diabetic, just barely pre but that was enough for me. Then I started the Rosedale, low carb moderate protein (45g) and high fat. That hepled a bunch but when I incorporated Dr Bernstein, eat every 4 hour so your insulin comes back down and my blood sugar is perfect. So that's handled but I am realizing when I eat breakfast, especially with protein, I am alot hungrier alot faster and all day long.And I mean this nawing, annoying hunger. I get up at 7ish and if I wait until 10ish and eat something small, like a few pieces of celery in a little mayo, I'm good until 2ish. Then I have a small spinach salad with protein and I'm fine until dinner, which as again some veggies and protein but small.
Now...the dilema...
When I eat BF, I feel so unbalanced, I can't explain it but my stomach is weird, not really hungry but a constant tugging, pulling, nawing annoying feeling. Then I 'm constantly watching the clock until I can eat again, then sometimes it's a gorge. Also, when I eat anything like a normal sized meal, it can make me hungrier and hungrier sooner. It's almost like my body hates food!
Like you Gardengirl, once I start eating, I'm always thinking about food. I like the 6-8 hour window and the small meals, it seems to be working better than eating snacking or eating BF but it seems wrong and it seems like I don't get enough calories but my body says it feels great this way. I'm only getting about 5 oz of protein a day and about 5 cups of veggies. I do use a bunch of good fats though.
I NEVER thought I could be a 3 meal a day person OR go 4 hours without eating but now it seems 2 meals and a snack are what my body says is best. I am not very hungry until I eat BF, then it opens the gates to ravenous, no matter what I eat. That can't be a good sign. I have tried every BF imaginable to stop that but it doesn't stop. When I don't eat BF, at lunch and dinner, I'm sort of hungry but could still wait.
There is something with cortisol in the morning that can do something with your hunger all day. There is also alot of research that moderate protein (for MOST 45-60g) is actually far better than excess protein both for longevity as well as cancer and autoimmune diseases. I also thought I could NEVER eat such a small amount of protein but that has been a huge ticket to feeling better. I just don't know what to make of this. Ideas??
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 12:52am; Reply: 4
I wake up hungry, I feel sick if I don't eat breakfast.  My husband rarely eats breakfast & I used to encourage him to as I thought it was unhealthy to skip meals, he has two larger meals a day (lunch at 12 & dinner at 6)
I have three small meals & a snack mid morning.  Maybe it is another difference between A's & O's.  If I don't eat every four hours I can't stop thinking about food & will then just grab anything without thinking :-/  I keep nuts & dehydrated veggies in my bag for when i am out.  I feel if I fast my body will think it is starving & start storing fat & making me tired/slow down to conserve energy.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 1:11am; Reply: 5
Am I correct to understand your husband is an O?
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 2:25am; Reply: 6
Ooops sorry, yes he is O+, if secretor he is a hunter, if nonnie an explorer :)
Both our sons are A+ most likely secretors & the three of us always have breakfast & don't skip meals or don't feel right ;D
Just a side note all my A's drink a lot more water than the O's I know also....
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 2:26am; Reply: 7
Funny you say that, My Mom is an A and always drinking lots of water, I just sip through the day, rarely thirsty
Posted by: gardengirl, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 10:46am; Reply: 8
I, too, have to force myself to drink water. I am rarely thirsty and used to go days without having it. It is something I don't enjoy doing (drinking water - ugh, the exhausting work of it, just kidding). But that is how it seems in my head to drink the stuff. Fasting makes me drink more since I will start my day with water. Green tea, on the other hand, drink it all day.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 11:28am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Mother
And if so, when do you eat your first meal? I find if I eat breakfast I'm hungry soon after and all day long. Something very light is OK but nothing substantial. I still eat 3 small meals a day, they are just later, and nothing after dinner around 6. Might be something to this IF or 8 hour feeding window kinda thing for me.
I used to have this problem when I ate "continental style" for breakfast.  I'd eat, then shower and get dressed, and then even before leaving the house, I was weak with hunger.  Switching to a low-carb and higher fat breakfast solved this issue.  I eat from about 7:30 to 8:00 in the morning, and then I might not eat lunch until 2pm.  Examples of what I eat can be found on my blog.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 1:07pm; Reply: 10
I don't know where your blog is, haha. I always eat low carb, moderate protein and higher fat but that doesn't even work for breakfast.Maybe I'll try Goldies idea and half some olive oil this morning and see if that helps. It's supposed to lubricate your digestive track as well. We shall see.
Posted by: amyflood, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 1:51pm; Reply: 11
I also have the same problem with breafast, no matter what i eat, high protein, high fat, low carb etc etc. i am starving about 1 hour later. i dabbled in IF last year to help me take off some baby weight i couldn't lose and it worked--i lost 15 lbs. I'm back doing it again, and i really like it. i feel much more energized. i also don't feel guilty if i have a compliant treat which helps. i have been doing the fast 5. so my feeding window is 5 hours. it also fis into my hectic schedule right now so it is win-win for me.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 1:58pm; Reply: 12
Great Amyflood,
Can you tell me more? What and when do you eat? Do you think skipping BF is the key? I can't stand that feeling. What time do you start your 5 hours and do you think you get enough calories? How many times do you eat in that 5 hour window? And... how long did it take to adjust to no BF?
Posted by: rosa, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 3:51pm; Reply: 13
I don´t wake-up hungry ever! I prefer to exercise and shower then sit down for an enjoyably unrushed breakfast. I could be up 2-3 hours before I eat, although I always start the day with warm water and lemon juice.

I don´t know if having/not having breakfast makes any difference to how I eat during the day. I think I eat more and think about food more often if I´m not working outside the house though... some days I can work from home other days I´m out all day and never think of food until I´m finished ??) On those days I have to have breakfast around 8am ( whether I´m hungry or not!) otherwise I don´t get a chance to eat later in the morning.

My A husband on the other hand, wakes up ravenous and has to eat! But then he sometimes has to be reminded to eat during the day. Our eating patterns  are completely different...
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 5:38pm; Reply: 14
I would give anything NOT to think about food. However, today I tried Goldies oil thing and amazingly it worked. I just had 1t EVOO and a small slice of celery at 9 and I'm just eating lunch now. I could go longer but I'm leaving for awhile. For some reason I did wake up hungry today but I usually am not hungry right when I wake up. I didn't sleep too well last night so that may have something to do with it. I was also very productive this morning. I'm going to start fasting hopefully until 11 or 12 and stop at eating at 6. I'll try my fat breakfast and lunch and dinner. The fast 5 sounds good but I think the fast 6 would be better and from noon until 6 instead of 5pm-10pm. I don't like eating late and going to bed with high insulin and blood sugar
Posted by: BCgal, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 5:40pm; Reply: 15
I get up, have a hot water and lemon too, then head to the gym, or go in the sauna.  So it's usually 3-4 hours after I get up that I finally have breakfast.  It's usually lots of veggies and some left over protein from the night before.  That generally sits well with me till early afternoon.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 6:05pm; Reply: 16
Everyone is making me feel SOOOOO much better. I have falling into the "you have to eat breakfast " trap and today I fell 99% better and it's only day one! Thank you all very much. I have hot lemon water as well. So if you're not eating protein for breakfast , how many ounces would you say you eat at the end of the day? I eat small meals so I'm only eating about 5 ounces a day. I'm worried it's not enough but it feels right. Like if I eat more at lunch, I'm not hungry for alot at dinner. What do you think?
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 7:41pm; Reply: 17
I could do breakfast or early lunch. and be hungry after. It is easier not to eat then start and then be hungry all day.

Until recently I ate all day, or at least wanted to and suffered greatly.  

Only recently I started to eat differently, and for now it is to early to suggest anything, but I have posted in another thread. The difference is that I am not in want all day...  but I would suggest I do it for a year and see. It is a big commitment, but I post here just to suggest that when all else failed, I found a solution.  I fervently hope so.  

My friend who is fighting her weight even with a bypass is trying a version and feeling better, but time is still to short to suggest anything.    
Posted by: amyflood, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 8:25pm; Reply: 18
so my schedule is i eat from 3:30pm to 8:30pm and then i stop eating until the next day at 3:30pm. the first time i tried it, i started slow, i just started pushing breakfast forward for an hour every other day until i got to my target time. this time i knew what to expect with the hunger pangs etc so i just jumped right to 3:30. I'm only in week 2 but it is going well. my hardest time is from 11:30-12:30 so i make sure to have some herbal tea and after that is it easy. not sure how many calories i am taking in, but i try to focus on protein and veggies and i throw in a few small homemade cookies so i don't feel deprived. the scale is not budging, but my clothes are looser so i know something is happening! i also do a weeks worth of cooking on sundays, so i have a hard time fasting and just take a weekly break from it. the beauty is, that you can do it any way you wnat. whatever works or not as the case may be,
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 10:10pm; Reply: 19
I looked it up online and it says 5-10. That doesn't work, I'm thinking 1-6 or something. How hard was it and what should I expect? Did it take awhile to get easier? Thanks so much for all your help
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 1:21pm; Reply: 20
Oil for breakfast worked like a charm but trying the fasting thing today. We will see how far I get. Kinda seems like it's going to be hard after 10
Posted by: amyflood, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 2:58pm; Reply: 21
the first few days were easy but once your glycogen stores get low it gets a bit harder. take it day by day and adjust as needed. try it slower at first if you normally eat breakfast at 9, shoot for eating at 10 and then 11 and then 12 and so on until you reach your desired window. Some days are harder than others. when i get up, i have coffee and i have been putting a tsp of oil in it. it seems to help. brad pilon who does "eat, stop, eat" does this too. teh lean gains guy recommends doing a 16-hour fast so your eating window would be 8 hours. do an internet search and see what you find and go with what feels right for your body and schedule. good luck!
Posted by: rosa, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 6:26pm; Reply: 22
This "intermittent fasting" seems interesting and something that I almost I eat late breakfast and don´t eat late at night...but does Dr. D have a view on this way of eating I wonder?????

Also what´s a reliable source on further information???
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 8:22pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Mother
I don't know where your blog is, haha.
If you click the word "Site" next to the little house picture at the bottom of one of my posts, it will load my blog.  Please note that I'm not trying to drive traffic to my blog.   Rather, I built the blog in order to store and reference information that seems to be required frequently.
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 8:24pm; Reply: 24
All I can say is skipping breakfast is the best thing I've done in a long time. Had a tsp oil at 9 and was good to go. If that nawing hunger stays away maybe I can get on with my life. It's so all consuming!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 8:31pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from rosa
I don´t wake-up hungry ever! -snip-
My A husband on the other hand, wakes up ravenous and has to eat! But then he sometimes has to be reminded to eat during the day. Our eating patterns  are completely different...
I don't remember ever being hungry in the morning.  I don't start eating until at least two hours after I get up, and that's only because I want something in my stomach to go with my coffee. ;)

I went through a period of being nauseous and skipping breakfast.  Although my stomach felt empty, I wouldn't have the urge to eat all day.  And when I did eat, I got full on little food.

My A wife is just the opposite of me.  But she showers and gets dressed first before eating breakfast.

Posted by: Mother, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 8:52pm; Reply: 26
I never ate immediately after waking either. Usually about 2 hours too but that's about 9am. It does seem anything before noon creates hunger. Since doing this for two days, both two days I am not hungry but have still eaten and I agree, fuller on less food. Eating before noon sets me up to not be satisfied with any amount of food all day. I hope this continues, I feel I have much more control and oodles of energy!
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