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Posted by: 32872 (Guest), Thursday, March 14, 2013, 10:55pm
Hello all, I'm new to the forum and new to Blood Type Diet.

Basically, I'd like to know the major differences between these two types. I have recently started adjusting to BTD (which is working remarkably good for me), but I just cannot sit calm, knowing that there's another diet, which has a potential to be even better.

I have done the test for determining the right diet, but it scored evenly (I do have to admit that I'm not sure about some answers I've given).

I am O RhD-Negative (Sec) blood type, and I'm 90% sure that I'm a hunter, by reading the description. So, is there anything different in GTD (Hunter) and BTD (OI(-)) diets?

Thanks.
Posted by: Johnny B., Thursday, March 14, 2013, 11:17pm; Reply: 1
This may give you a clue as to the different focuses:
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

BTD focuses more on digestion and stoping the damage caused by lectins.
GTD is centered more around calming an overreactive immune system, boosting an underactive immune system, and/or keeping your adipose tissue from hoarding calories.

That's the best I can give.  I'll let others elaborate.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, March 14, 2013, 11:31pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from 32872


I am O RhD-Negative (Sec) blood type, and I'm 90% sure that I'm a hunter, by reading the description. So, is there anything different in GTD (Hunter) and BTD (OI(-)) diets?

Thanks.


The O- and Hunter diets are very similar but there are some differences. You may or may not find those differences important, or helpful, depending on your current health and eating habits.
Posted by: Brett650, Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:26am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Johnny B.
This may give you a clue as to the different focuses:
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm
Interesting, I never saw that before. I think it seems strange that some of those questions are not asked by SWAMI.

Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, March 15, 2013, 12:32am; Reply: 4
It is my understanding tat SWAMI does ask questions that determine how much weight it gives to GenoType values versus blood type values. The wording may not be exactly the same as the online quiz.

But it is determining the weight to give each diet and other considerations as appropriate for a specific individual.

The online quiz is 100% GenoType or 100% blood type, but SWAMI is not simply all one or the other.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, March 15, 2013, 3:07am; Reply: 5
This is a quote from earlier on the forum - perhaps from C_sharp.  ?

"You need to pick which plan you are going to follow.  It is up to you to pick which plan to follow, but you don't want to "mix and match".

The Eat Right and Live Right 4Your Type Diets just use ABO type and Secretor status.  It focuses on making the body fit the genes.  The ratings for this plan are online:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm

The Genotype Diet expands to use some additional gene information and also some measurements that represent in-utero activity.
This diet focuses on changing the genes to reduce negative activity and expand positive type responses.

SWAMI expands to using additional measurements and medical histories to provide an even more complete diet just for you.
Due to the more complete information, SWAMI works better to make the genes fit the body and reduce the possibility of illness."


and another:
"The Blood Type Diet® aligns the person to the genes."

"The GenoType Diet® aligns the genes to the person."


My understanding is that the BTD helps your body work with what your genes are expressing - along with all the inherited strengths and weaknesses that have been passed on through your family line.

The GTD makes your genes work for you by causing them to express strengths that might never be part of your life, otherwise;  and toning down -putting to sleep- weaknesses that have caused disease to most of your ancestors.

And the next level is the personalized SWAMI:

"SWAMI Xpress is capable of determining your GenoType and prescribing the appropriate GenoType Diet for you, but it can do much, much more. From its extensive knowledge base, SWAMI Xpress can evaluate each of over 700 foods for over 200 individual attributes (such as its cholesterol level, gluten content, presence of antioxidants, etc.) to determine if that food is either a superfood or toxin for you. It then prints out a specific one of a kind diet in an easy to read, friendly format".

Posted by: chrissyA, Friday, March 15, 2013, 4:52am; Reply: 6
The analogy I like to use is:
BTD is like having a new car. With proper care and maintainance it will run nicely and stay in great condition.
GTD is like the car you've had for several years. It's still good, but has some wear, a few problems and driver-specific idiosyncrasies. It needs some repairs and better attention to maintainance.
SWAMI is like the old beater you've had for a long time and it needs an overhaul, but is still very salvageable :)
Posted by: 32872 (Guest), Friday, March 15, 2013, 9:19am; Reply: 7
Thanks, everyone.

So, if I understand correctly, with SWAMI you get the finest tuning?

Again, I've taken the test to see which diet suits me best, but it was even, so I'm guessing either diets would work for me the same.

Well, since the Hunter and O- diets are so similar, I've decided to stick with the blood type diet.  :)

Also, does anyone know a way for Os to gain weight? Even when I ate only wheat stuff, breads, etc. even in large quantities, I couldn't gain weight, always stayed lean. I'm 1.91 m (6'3) and around 80 kg (173 lbs).
Posted by: Averno, Friday, March 15, 2013, 11:27am; Reply: 8
Quoted from 32872
... I have recently started adjusting to BTD (which is working remarkably good for me), but I just cannot sit calm, knowing that there's another diet, which has a potential to be even better.


I think your stated curiosity here is the key to your answer. SWAMI is more personalized, and would likely be your best choice if you and/or your family has a history of medical problems (the larger issues are queried in SWAMI). Another tipping point towards SWAMI might be your diet in the years preceding BTD. Although you may appear perfectly healthy, have you been eating "cleanly", or the typical American diet? Not meant to alarm you, but to offer some perspective.  
Posted by: 32872 (Guest), Friday, March 15, 2013, 1:22pm; Reply: 9
Well, hmmm. When I was 10 or so I had an allergy of some sort, but the doctors couldn't determine the cause. It went away by itself, but regardless, I haven't been eating, nor drinking anything that contains sugars, preservatives, artificial colors, etc. And no, not typical American diet, since I'm not from US.  ;) My diet was consistent of both good and bad stuff for my BT, like red meat, fish, green vegetables, but also large quantities of wheat products and diary. The very day I eliminated the wheat stuff, I felt a lot better. What is interesting is that I couldn't gain weight even with 1 kg of bread and pasta a day, my metabolism is just way too fast. What is more interesting is that I didn't lose any weight when cut all that bad stuff out, only felt much better, had more strength, concentration, etc. I thought I was gonna look like a toothpick, but I look great, only a little thin for my taste. BT Diet works, there's no doubt about that, and it's spot on regarding my blood type.
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, March 15, 2013, 2:23pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Johnny B.
This may give you a clue as to the different focuses:
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

I just took the test again and it says BTD which makes sense to me.  I did better on BTD than on GTD.  But then I had Swami done and that is perfect for me.  It is a blend of BTD/GTD.
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, March 15, 2013, 3:03pm; Reply: 11
The differences are smaller between the O diet and a hunter diet.  Hunters are the prototype O.

There are bigger differences between some blood types and genotypes than others.  A blood type A diet is a good bit different than an explorer diet, but a good number of A's turn out to be explorer types.  A gatherer diet is different than a nomad diet, event though both can be B.  The B diet is most similar to a nomad diet.

A hunter is a prototype O, a teacher is a prototype A, and a nomad is a prototype B (or AB too, but maybe not).
Posted by: Ligia, Friday, March 15, 2013, 3:52pm; Reply: 12
You might gain weight with the BTD.  BTD/GTD are balancing.  You just started, so give it some time.  If you are underweight you will gain.  The body is wise.
Posted by: 32872 (Guest), Friday, March 15, 2013, 5:02pm; Reply: 13
Exactly my thought - I'll give BTD a try, and then, perhaps gradually move to SWAMI.

Also, I'd like to know your thoughts on bananas and blood type O (also assume that I'm a Hunter). That's the only thing I'm not sure if I should eat or avoid them, since some say it's beneficial, others it's a no-no.
Posted by: chrissyA, Friday, March 15, 2013, 8:26pm; Reply: 14
You should use the food values for the diet you're following. Don't try to blend the two. It doesn't work that way - one or the other. If you want to blend the two, that's where SWAMI comes in. :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 15, 2013, 8:33pm; Reply: 15
I wouldn't necessarily say that the GTD is "better" than the BTD. I, personally, fared far better on the BTD than the  GTD; had SWAMI not been available to me, I would have gone back to BTD after 2 months on the GTD.

If it's only a couple of foods that you're unsure of, it might be easy enough to avoid those few specific foods. Doing the BTD but avoiding bananas isn't going to hurt anything, nor is it likely to make following the diet more difficult (unless you're a REALLY big fan of smoothies.) But if it's 5 or 10 foods that you're unsure of, that might make your diet unnecessarily complex and restrictive.
Posted by: kitari, Friday, March 15, 2013, 9:22pm; Reply: 16
"What is interesting is that I couldn't gain weight even with 1 kg of bread and pasta a day"

When I was eating gluten I got very thin, the doctors called it "wasting".  The gluten damaged my intestinal villa and I was unable to absorb a lot of calories and nutrients.  It took a couple of years off gluten for my intestines to heal and start
absorbing food properly.  After years of eating everything and the kitchen sink and never gaining weight I have to eat like a normal person now or I can gain weight.  
Posted by: 32872 (Guest), Saturday, March 16, 2013, 6:53am; Reply: 17
Thanks kitari, for clearing that up to me, it makes perfect sense.

I sure hope I started on time with this diet and that my intestine is not that badly wrecked up.
Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, March 17, 2013, 2:05am; Reply: 18
I'm not sure that the statements regarding picking one diet over the other without combining them is the best advice for all people.

That has most certainly not worked well for my teenage type B explorer son. He started the blood type diet, and we felt like there were too many "allows" in the fruit, dairy, and nut category. After getting the genotype book and feeling very convinced he is a "strong" explorer, lots of those "allowed" foods were black dots or complete avoids. It seemed to make sense that he should have more restrictions given his continuous sensitivities and overreactive immune system.

Here's the catch though: the explorer diet seems to be more geared toward O's and A's since the vast majority of explorers are O or A. Many of the listed superfoods are avoids on the blood type diet and I just couldn't ignore that.



When this thread began, a link was left to take a quiz to determine which diet is best to follow. I had my son take the test and it strongly recommended he follow the blood type diet. He really wanted to go back to the blood type diet (probably because of the increased flexibility of food choices).So here we go again, lots of allows for a kid with lots of sensitivities. My best advice to him was to emphasize the foods that are compliant for his B type that are also emphasized on the genotype diet (my dh is an O explorer so we have a good idea which foods are considered super for many explorers). However, I also appealed to him to really pay close attention to whether or not his body reacts negatively after eating foods compliant on the blood type diet and avoid on the genotype diet.

If you're all wondering why he doesn't have a SWAMI yet, it's primarily because he's only 17 (tomorrow is his birthday actually) and it's more a matter of principle that dh and I shouldn't pay for it if we're not sure he's really committed to following the diet closely. He doesn't have a job yet and we feel SWAMI should be something HE wants to pay for. We did purchase him a secretor test a year ago and he is a nonnie.

Adder, you should be able to eat some bananas in your diet. I think it's the glycemic index, which is relatively high, that's a problem for overweight or diabetic people. Enjoy them if you don't notice any negative effects after eating them.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, March 17, 2013, 2:22am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Adopted4
When this thread began, a link was left to take a quiz to determine which diet is best to follow. I had my son take the test and it strongly recommended he follow the blood type diet. He really wanted to go back to the blood type diet (probably because of the increased flexibility of food choices).So here we go again, lots of allows for a kid with lots of sensitivities. My best advice to him was to emphasize the foods that are compliant for his B type that are also emphasized on the genotype diet (my dh is an O explorer so we have a good idea which foods are considered super for many explorers). However, I also appealed to him to really pay close attention to whether or not his body reacts negatively after eating foods compliant on the blood type diet and avoid on the genotype diet.

What you are instructing him to do is what Dr. D. means when he says, "Take what works for you and leave the rest.  Don't get hung up on it."

Again, it is also true that many people find some sensitivities diminish as the body heals and clears most of the stored junk - for those of us who have years of junk stored...

Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, March 17, 2013, 4:20am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Adopted4
I'm not sure that the statements regarding picking one diet over the other without combining them is the best advice for all people.

That has most certainly not worked well for my teenage type B explorer son. He started the blood type diet, and we felt like there were too many "allows" in the fruit, dairy, and nut category. After getting the genotype book and feeling very convinced he is a "strong" explorer, lots of those "allowed" foods were black dots or complete avoids. It seemed to make sense that he should have more restrictions given his continuous sensitivities and overreactive immune system.

Here's the catch though: the explorer diet seems to be more geared toward O's and A's since the vast majority of explorers are O or A. Many of the listed superfoods are avoids on the blood type diet and I just couldn't ignore that.



When this thread began, a link was left to take a quiz to determine which diet is best to follow. I had my son take the test and it strongly recommended he follow the blood type diet. He really wanted to go back to the blood type diet (probably because of the increased flexibility of food choices).So here we go again, lots of allows for a kid with lots of sensitivities. My best advice to him was to emphasize the foods that are compliant for his B type that are also emphasized on the genotype diet (my dh is an O explorer so we have a good idea which foods are considered super for many explorers). However, I also appealed to him to really pay close attention to whether or not his body reacts negatively after eating foods compliant on the blood type diet and avoid on the genotype diet.



I am certainly in favor of paying close attention and seeing how the body reacts.

You did not say Allergies, but with a number of sensitivities he might want to the blood type diet as specified in the Allergy book.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED062S

It is not particularly expensive, but if he looks he may be able to find it in a library for free.


Here is a source for less than $6 including shipping. Possibly affordable with allowance, baby sitting money, ...

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=Allergies%3A+Fight+Them+with+The+Blood+Type+Diet

Book includes nonsecretor variant.

Beneficial are divided into Super beneficial and beneficial.

Neutrals are divided into allowed frequently and allowed infrequently --so you know which foods you should not overdo.
Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, March 17, 2013, 7:16pm; Reply: 21
I agree ABJoe, cleansing the colon as well as other major organs will calm the immune systems reactivity. That has always been a challenge since this kid SERIOUSLY loves to eat and there's been no way over the years I've been able to control his eating habits 24/7. Even before the blood type diet it was not a common thing to eat processed food but only occasionally and limiting dairy and sugar consumption was usually my goal given his chronic sinus problems. It has most certainly been helpful this past year or so learning about blood type/genotype diets to identify the worst offenders (chicken, corn, and some select other foods eaten regularly).

Csharp, thanks for letting me know about the food allergies book. I will most certainly buy it. My son, who turned 17 today (and his twin), appears very serious about learning how to improve his health. But as many teenage boys do, he likes to eat a lot and that doesn't work well for a nonnie explorer. He also has quite a "sweet tooth" and that often gets him in trouble.

What I was saying before about combining the 2 diets was emphasizing similar superfoods on my dh's SWAMI explorer diet and the book diet, such as apple juice, tapioca, and mozzarella are a few that come to mind. A little cheese with lactase seems to work O.K. with him as long as it's not frequent.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, March 18, 2013, 1:14pm; Reply: 22
If you're not ready to invest in a SWAMI for him, and neither of the "book diets" seem to be working perfectly for him, you could combine the two "book diets" if you're very careful about how you do so.

If something is neutral in one plan and "beneficial" in another, consider it "beneficial." If something is "neutral" in one and "avoid" in the other- well, avoiding ALL foods in that category can be very restrictive. That's where it's helpful to "pick one plan" so you know which food list to ultimately refer to. If it's GTD you pick, then remember that the "black dot" foods may be perfectly fine for some individuals with that genotype. If it's neutral or better on BTD, and he seems to do well with it, then it's fine for him to include that food in his diet.

Even if you decide to ultimately go with BTD for now (especially if you're buying the Allergy book for him to follow) there's certainly no harm in emphasizing GTD beneficials, as long as they're not outright "avoids" on  BTD.
Posted by: Adopted4, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 6:31pm; Reply: 23
For those of you that responded to my long post about my nonnie son and trying to determine the best diet for him, I wanted to let you know I received the Allergies book and read the relevant information in it. I am very hopeful it will be useful to my son, and I think he's ready to give it a go. After all, it takes a lot of the guess work out of the explorer book diet.

It spoke of nonnie B's not being allowed as many dairy products, mostly limiting it to small frequency portions of the non-aged ones such as kefir, yogurt, cottage/ricotta, and goat cheese. The portions were significantly less in the grains, fruits, as well as the legumes category which seem right, but the meat, fish, and nuts portions were generous. I really appreciated the book having a non-secretor variant for each category.

I think the subtle diet changed will be very helpful, although my son has to decide for himself to avoid or severely restrict his worst offenders which apparently seem to be wheat and corn (mostly corn syrup which is in lots of sweets). They truly mess him up and he knows it.

Sorry to digress from your original post, Adder.
Posted by: wanthanee, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 9:58pm; Reply: 24
   :D Hello adder, first of all please excuse for my English.  I am glad that you found BTD early I wish I had found it at the same age as you.  Well…I love everything from Dr. D such as the books, the supplements  (and I love everyone in this forums) specially SWAMI.  ;D

In the Swami will tell you to Geno Harmonic foods:

“Enhancing Cellular Detoxification
Geno Harmonic Foods are unique combinations of certain foods which SWAMI Xpress has determined will yield the maximum epigenetic enhancement. The epigenic value of the food is indicated by its star value, from exceptional ( ) to very good ( ). Simply reference a food you will be using at the left, and try to combine it with Geno Harmonic foods that are listed to the right

these Geno-Harmonic food relationships emphasize superbeneficial foods for your blood type and GenoType which contain nutrients that enhance detoxification. Many of the genes found in the liver (the 'Phase I and Phase II' enzyme systems) speed the removal of man-made (xenobiotic) chemicals from the body. These are enhanced by choosing to eat foods combined as listed below. Other food combinations enhance the ability of the body's cells to excrete their metabolic waste products into the blood and lymph. Food combinations which speed removal of waste material from the intestines and kidneys or balance the level of microbial overgrowth in the digestive tract are also emphasized. You can learn more about these epigenetic functions by reading Chapter II A World of Limitless Potential, pages 24-26 in The GenoType Diet.”


Zucchini
(Live Foods)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • BRUSSELS SPROUT • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • COCONUT OIL • CORNISH HEN • CRANBERRY JUICE • ENDIVE • GOJI BERRY JUICE • HORSERADISH • PERCH • PILCHARDS • PORGY • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • WATERMELON SEEDS

Maybe you already know some.  For example, I know that in most Asian people when we are cooking chicken like stew or soup we will put in the herb including Goji berry.  So in my Swami, if I were to eat Cornish hens then try to combine it with Goji berry juice that makes sense to me.

Before, I didn’t know which foods I should to eat with what other foods.  I would always use  Garlic, Onion, Romaine lettuce, etc. but now I look closely.  For example, if I eat Zucchini I should combine it with Bok Choy and Endive

…and much more.
“-Enhancing Global Remethylation Effects, using these food combinations will produce maximum personalized anti-aging effects in your body. Loss of methyl groups over our lifespan is a precondition for a cell’s ability to turn cancerous, so these Geno-Harmonic food combinations will also have anti-cancer effects in your body as well.”

If possible please get the Swami.  You have nothing to lose because some foods to avoid can turn into super foods.

If we talk about allergies from foods, it will be a different case, for me.  For example :
Walnuts are my Diamond food. From my experience, it happened often if I eat fresh from the shell (organic) and the nut inside is too old (I can tell from the color on the skin that it has mold; kind of light black on the skin) after eat it, I will start to sneeze and will have a runny nose.  If the color look isn’t dark or has no mold (fresh), then I have no problems.

Best wishes to you all!  :D :K)
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