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Posted by: Lapisrose, Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 5:05pm
I am a type "O" who has spent much of my adult life as a vegetarian/vegan/raw vegan. I was blown away by ER4YT, in that every single one of my health issues (hypothyroidism, candiasis, gluten intolerance, and arthritis to name a few) was addressed on my blood type. I have begun incorporating meat back into my life, but I am not entirely happy about this. I'd like to hear from other type "O"s who were previously vegetarians...especially those who have done this long term - how has this diet/lifestyle affected you? how have you coped?
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 9:38pm; Reply: 1
Hi Lapisrose,

You will find a number of ex-vegetarians on this site. I am one - I was vegetarian for 18 years.

I didn't want to give up vegetarianism, believing that I was doing the best thing for my body and my health. Unfortunately neither my body or my health agreed with me. It took a long time to manifest that vegetarianism was in reality doing me harm so it took a while to come around to changing back to meat-eating.

When I did though, my body and my health were VERY grateful. Now my favourite food is beef steak!!! I would never go back to vegetarianism.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 9:59pm; Reply: 2
I was vegetarian when I was a young adult, from about age 20 to 24.  I was convinced that I needed to eat dairy (cheese, yogurt) in order to get adequate protein and to stave off low blood sugar.  And I would have pasta with tofu "meat" sauce or cheese ravioli for supper often.  So I was weak, phlegm-congested and irritable almost all the time.  And I had occasional back pain like someone was sticking an electrified knife between my disks.

I feel SO much better now even though the years say I should be weaker and sicker.  You'd think if someone ate an entire leg of lamb he have to lie down to rest afterward.  But instead I become energized and alert.

Anyway, I have found that I can be a vegetarian or even a vegan at one meal a few times per week by falling back on beneficial (or neutral) legumes and grains such as aduki beans, black beans, quinoa, rice, spelt.

I don't need to follow some strict regimen just to label myself a certain way or appease a social unit.
Posted by: prunella, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 12:15am; Reply: 3
Lapisrose, I can soooo relate!  I ate no meat for more than 30 years. Occasionally, I did eat seafood.  Hated poultry.
About 10 years ago, I decided that bacon smelled awfully good, so I ate that from time to time. Also, cold, pressed pork sausages.  Imagine choosing pork, of all meats, to be the one and only! I also ate soy and lots of cheeses. I ate plenty of vegetables, fruit, legumes. And pasta, especially ravioli in winter time.

I was fatigued, brain fogged, runny nosed, achey, anxious, pot-bellied, probably irritable. Was Dx'd with an auto-immune condition.  Naturopath/TCM told me to quit the wheat and dairy and eat meat. She said this for 10 years before I did it.
In TCM, lamb is best. Beef is good. Pork OK, but not as good as beef , poultry-- good. Bone broth is wonderful. Oily fishes are best. Rotate your foods.
Dairy creates a cloud bank on your brain.  The TCM (traditional chinese medicine)pretty much aligns with my Swami diet.

I started eating beef by adding it to things like chili, where it is somewhat disguised. I buy grass fed beef at Trader Joe's. If I have to eat beef, I want to eat only the most nutritious. I try to eat wild salmon and only yellow fin tuna. I make a black bean and fish chowder that has a tomato base. There is one brand of sardines I can tolerate.  I eat a bit of turkey if it is moist. I tried to like turkey sausages; cannot do it yet. Try adding ground turkey to soups, etc.

I try to eat meat or fish 2X daily.  Some days, I eat neither, but not often.
I  feel much better than I did, but can still have periods of fatigue.  

For me, avoiding wheat and dairy has been as helpful as adding meat.  Can you start by disguising meat or poultry in other dishes?  
Posted by: Brett650, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 12:52am; Reply: 4
Another former vegetarian here.

I was a strong believer in macrobiotics until I actually tried to follow it strictly. I got very specific advice from a macrobiotic counselor, and it just didn't work for me. I felt tired most of the time and people told me I looked emaciated.

I know some people who have done very well on macrobiotics, and most of them are blood type A. Figures.

I think adding some grassfed meat to my diet has helped me, but SWAMI has me eating more animal protein than I feel comfortable with. I'm still experimenting and trying to find the right balance for myself.
Posted by: marjorie, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 3:41am; Reply: 5
I was a vegan/vegetarian for 18 years. Never thought I would eat meat.. however, I started with fish and then some poultry, and then beef. Everytime I try to go back to vegetarianism, my mind is scattered and I feel like I just am not "right".

I struggle with the meat as you will read in my posts, but I am doing better and just trying to go slow.

I am o-, and I really think my body requires animal protein. You can do it, however, you have to believe it works for you.

Grass fed beef at 90/10 is what I buy and dont have a problem with digesting it at all. Weird.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 4:13am; Reply: 6
My daughter was very ill several years ago, we went fat free vegan, we lasted 6 months as we were never more ill or angry.

Thank god we found the Blood type diet and Dr D. we are all doing sawmi, getting better each day.

I have helped many others do the same especially O's going from vegetarian or vegan to easting right for your type over the years. all much healthier and the vegans especially are happier and not very angry any more. I must say that this is helped my Dr D's supplements too. I am a recent convert to this (catechol, B12, etc but notice the difference recently to myself too.

like everything it helps to start slowly and be gentle with yourself. read some of dr D's books and follow his advice on how to change from one diet to the blood type diet. he has a 4 weekly guide on how to do it. they work very well.

just be aware of detox, it gets a bit hard at the beginning but soon passes. don't be put off/ good luck.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 4:14am; Reply: 7
one big thing. we all went from having a hell of a lot of wind, and I mean a lot. to having very little. lol

stopping wheat was a big help.
Posted by: Lapisrose, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 4:25am; Reply: 8
Thank you all for your replies I am finding them very encouraging!
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 6:12am; Reply: 9
Lapisrose....You will feel so much better! I was veg for 27 yrs!!! I had bad asthma for that whole time....lo and behold, after quitting wheat and gluten and eating meat...I didn';t really have asthma!!!! A miracle!!
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 11:33am; Reply: 10
When I decided that my hubby and I were going to try eating meat again, I told him that we would give it one month. If after one month we hadn't noticed any improvement in health, then we would go right back to being vegetarians. That was five years ago, lol! We've never looked back.
Posted by: rosa, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 12:26pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from SquarePeg

I don't need to follow some strict regimen just to label myself a certain way or appease a social unit.


Lapisrose, I´m sure this quote from Squarepeg resonates with you! I too am a former vegetarian of 27years! who dabbled in veganism & macrobiotics like many others here thinking it best for my health. Well..I became very lethargic and  very overweight, bloated and with digestion problems, finding it almost impossible to drop weight no matter how little I ate...at one point I was almost anorexic just consuming 600 cals a day! Crazy!!!

I did lose weight eventually when I increased my exercise and included some fish...it´s only in recent times I´ve also included turkey, lamb and occasional beef...I think it´s best to take it slowly..replacing tofu with turkey gradually.I´m still not comfortable handling raw meat, so my DH does all that! He´s blood group A and has reversed his way of eating as he cannot digest red meat at all...

Like others have found digesting beef and lamb are a doddle for me  :) compared to the pain and discomfort when I ate wholewheat bread pasta and pulses...though I do miss tofu still!!!

You have certainly come to the right place (woot)(woot)
Posted by: chrissyA, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 5:00pm; Reply: 12
What I've found interesting after being on this Forum is how vegetarianism/veganism holds such a strong appeal to Type O folks - in particular. It makes me curoius as to why...

It seems that the people who do well with vegetarianism often find themselves there quite by accident, that's how it's been with me as well as several Type A's that I know. But with you O's, it's never an accident - you have made a conscious decision to go in that direction.

Any input? What made you swear off meat?
Posted by: Lapisrose, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 5:53pm; Reply: 13
I never even really liked meat as a child.  I would eat what was put on my plate, but if I got another helping of anything it was all about the veggies.  Then as I became more aware of the animal kingdom in my teen years, I grew more and more distasteful towards eating those I considered co-residents on this planet.  No one in my family thought like me...it's just how I have always felt about it.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 6:32pm; Reply: 14
I think the reason so many O's are attracted to vegetarianism is due to grains. Grains, esp. wheat, are addictive....really. I understand they have opiatelike substances that O's are less adapted to....so we start loving that kind of food....and craving it.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 6:42pm; Reply: 15
and it's cheaper lol
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 7:20pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Lapisrose
I never even really liked meat as a child.  I would eat what was put on my plate, but if I got another helping of anything it was all about the veggies.-snip-
I hated anything my mother made from ground beef.  She would buy old, marked-down grayish-looking beef, overcook it and throw away the fat, so it had a dry, sandy texture.  Ugg.  I didn't care much for vegetables either, but then again we never had them fresh.  I *always* zeroed in on the noodles.

I remember being very young and discovering the magic of the words, "I'm full."  I didn't know exactly what it meant, but I found out that when I said it I didn't have to finish what I left in my plate.  The words, "I don't like it," OTOH, had absolutely no magic to them.  :)
Posted by: chrissyA, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 8:11pm; Reply: 17
So more of a "starchatarian" appeal? Ok - I understand that. Thanks for your responses :)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 8:44pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Lapisrose
. . Then as I became more aware of the animal kingdom in my teen years, I grew more and more distasteful towards eating those I considered co-residents on this planet.  No one in my family thought like me...it's just how I have always felt about it.


Same here.  I'm not a type O ;)  but I did live as a vegetarian for nearly 25 years.  I believed so strongly in it that I nearly let it destroy my health and well-being.  There came a point when I realized I had to make a decision about losing my life or changing my attitude.  I did choose to live and for me that meant eating right for my body.  I'm thriving on lamb and cold-water fish now, going on 14 years.  I love animals and respect their place in the circle of life.  I'm strongly opposed to animal abuse and factory farming.  There is a rightness in conscious and compassionate animal farming.
Posted by: marjorie, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 9:09pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Victoria


Same here.  I'm not a type O ;)  but I did live as a vegetarian for nearly 25 years.  I believed so strongly in it that I nearly let it destroy my health and well-being.  There came a point when I realized I had to make a decision about losing my life or changing my attitude.  I did choose to live and for me that meant eating right for my body.  I'm thriving on lamb and cold-water fish now, going on 14 years.  I love animals and respect their place in the circle of life.  I'm strongly opposed to animal abuse and factory farming.  There is a rightness in conscious and compassionate animal farming.


You are so wise:) and I am glad you chose to "live"!!! When I get overwhelmed, i try to stop and think about what others have gone through. We all have choices and I want to listen to what nature is calling me to do.
Posted by: marjorie, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 9:12pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from rosa


Lapisrose, I´m sure this quote from Squarepeg resonates with you! I too am a former vegetarian of 27years! who dabbled in veganism & macrobiotics like many others here thinking it best for my health. Well..I became very lethargic and  very overweight, bloated and with digestion problems, finding it almost impossible to drop weight no matter how little I ate...at one point I was almost anorexic just consuming 600 cals a day! Crazy!!!

I did lose weight eventually when I increased my exercise and included some fish...it´s only in recent times I´ve also included turkey, lamb and occasional beef...I think it´s best to take it slowly..replacing tofu with turkey gradually.I´m still not comfortable handling raw meat, so my DH does all that! He´s blood group A and has reversed his way of eating as he cannot digest red meat at all...

Like others have found digesting beef and lamb are a doddle for me  :) compared to the pain and discomfort when I ate wholewheat bread pasta and pulses...though I do miss tofu still!!!

You have certainly come to the right place (woot)(woot)


That is what was happening to me even though I was not eating wheat or anything. I was eating mostly veggies and nuts, some fish and little chicken. However, I was gaining weight without the meat. My calories must have been too low.

Thank God I am moving forward.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, March 7, 2013, 9:19pm; Reply: 21
I'm not Type O, nor have I ever attempted to do vegetarian, but I did eat the wrong foods for my type for many years until I was in really bad shape, physically.  I was going to Dr.'s and getting worse.  I finally was introduced to ER4YT, read the book, changed diet, felt better, wondered whether diet or a Dr.'s treatment was responsible - so stopped the diet for a bit.  Finally, after I had gotten some worse again, was reminded of the diet and returned to it.  Now I am healing (and apparently finishing the cranial growth that didn't complete - probably due to an old injury that never healed fully.)

I really hope for your sake that you give the diet a good effort to see that it is what you need to be healthy.
Posted by: prunella, Friday, March 8, 2013, 12:09am; Reply: 22
Come to think of it, I cannot remember all of my reasons for eliminating meat from my diet. I was a type O, 21 year old, living a student life. I am sure economics were involved. And  love of starch and dairy.  Also, Diet for a Small Planet.  Thank you, Frances Moore Lappe, who pointed out that it takes 16 pounds of grass to produce 1 pound of beef protein.--At least, that's how I remember it. It seemed to be good for the earth to stop eating beef. I hated poultry and lamb anyway, so why not skip meat altogether?!

And I still like crispy fried tofu.  :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, March 8, 2013, 1:39pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from chrissyA
What I've found interesting after being on this Forum is how vegetarianism/veganism holds such a strong appeal to Type O folks - in particular. It makes me curoius as to why...

It seems that the people who do well with vegetarianism often find themselves there quite by accident, that's how it's been with me as well as several Type A's that I know. But with you O's, it's never an accident - you have made a conscious decision to go in that direction.

Any input? What made you swear off meat?



Vegetarianism often means loads of wheat ( or starchitarian)-- the O brain loves the way they feel when they eat wheat-- addiction is very powerful. ;)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 8, 2013, 3:46pm; Reply: 24
I was a vegetarian for a few years in college, culminating with a few months of being a vegan.  That was the first time I realized that food affects my health- being dairy free really cleared up my chronic nasal congestion, even though I was still eating tons of wheat, corn, and potatoes.

After a few months of this way of eating, I felt weak and drained and it was clear to me that veganism wasn't healthy for me.  Veganism had always been my idea of the "ideal vegetarian diet", but it had taken me a while to take the plunge. So, doing poorly on the vegan diet made me question the validity of my beliefs.

I'd bought several books on Judaism and Vegetarianism when I first became a vegetarian, and I re-read them after a few months on the vegan diet. I'd become more religious while in college, and I'd changed a lot in a few years. As I re-read those books,  I realized that the logic no longer resonated with me.

In a nutshell, it felt like being vegetarian was saying that I was "holier than G-d." He permitted all humans to eat meat after the Flood. Clearly, He also intended Jews to eat meat, or there wouldn't have been any need for the numerous dietary laws regarding meat consumption. It started to seem to me that being vegetarian was showing a lack of Faith- who am I to say that eating meat is immoral when G-d Himself says otherwise?

So I introduced small amounts of meat into my diet, but retained my vegetarian ideals. I figured that all the wonderful, world-saving things that vegetarianism is supposed to accomplish, could be accomplished if many people reduced their meat consumption rather than a smaller number eschewing meat altogether. It completely boggled my mind that I was healthier eating meat and not eating dairy than I was doing the inverse!

For a number of years, I ate poultry on Shabbos (the Jewish Sabbath) but at no other times. I did eat reasonable amounts of fish and eggs during the week. Then I added red meat on the holidays. I felt myself to be a vegetarian at heart, but who ate token amounts of meat as a show of faith in a G-d who permitted its consumption. My health slowly declined over time, but I didn't connect it to my diet.

It wasn't for another decade that I discovered "traditional foods" and started eating more meat, more often. This was shortly after I'd been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. I ate lots of bone broths and liver, plus red meat and poultry during the week rather than just on Shabbos. I had more energy. From there I tried low-carb to lose weight- which worked for a while, then I plateaued again. After low-carbing for a while, I decided to try a gluten-free diet. I'd heard of it earlier, but it was too hard when I felt awful and had no energy for dietary changes. But it was easier once grains had become a condiment, rather than  a staple.

Removing gluten was another huge jump in my health, but it wasn't everything. I knew to avoid dairy (even though I wasn't always consistent with that) and was now avoiding gluten, but I still wasn't perfectly healthy. I now knew enough that changing my diet would help,  but my current diet wasn't enough. I was considering cutting out corn next, but that's around the time I heard about BTD. I took a look at the Type O list and it made a lot of intuitive sense. So, instead of just cutting out corn, I started on the BTD.

I've had some growth since then- trying out the nonnie diet, a brief stint on the Gatherer diet, and then I got a SWAMI. Another year later, I got my secretor status verified and my SWAMI was modified to reflect that. With almost every dietary change, I felt healthier and stronger. At this point, I believe that my SWAMI has found every "dietary trigger" for Fibromyalgia. When I stray from the plan, symptoms return.  But even staying on the diet perfectly doesn't give me perfect health. I still have 25 pounds to lose, and I still have fibromyalgia. It flares up sometimes, and I can't always figure out why.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 8, 2013, 4:41pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ruthiegirl
At this point, I believe that my SWAMI has found every "dietary trigger" for Fibromyalgia. When I stray from the plan, symptoms return.  But even staying on the diet perfectly doesn't give me perfect health. I still have 25 pounds to lose, and I still have fibromyalgia. It flares up sometimes, and I can't always figure out why.

When I have really painful days, it is usually due to really heavy cleaning and healing in progress - and true healing takes time and energy to complete, usually done in waves as the body can muster the energy.
Posted by: chrissyA, Friday, March 8, 2013, 5:00pm; Reply: 26
You amaze me, Ruthie - Your contributions never fail to impress me (smile)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, March 8, 2013, 5:31pm; Reply: 27
Ruthie time for the infared sauna--
Would help quite a bit.

Might want to get one.
Posted by: 2degreespisces, Friday, March 8, 2013, 5:36pm; Reply: 28
What a wonderful thread this is; even though I'm an A, it's very inspirational to read your stories of the journey from vegetarian/vegan back to health and meat.

My dad is type O- and he has been a vegetarian on and off for as long as I can remember.
For as long as I can remember too, he had awful "regressions" as he called them, to meat eating. Looking back it's funny, but when it happened it was quite strange: once or twice a year he would get cravings for meat that were so strong, that he'd buy huge amounts of red meat (and I'm talking enough to feed a family here) and he'd eat it ALL, on the sly, at night, until he was sick.
As he was a vegetarian by conviction, he'd feel very guilty afterwards and ramp up his vegetarian regime in order to make up for his lapse into meat eating. With, as a predictable result, another of these meat binges several months later.

Two years ago I sent him the ER4YT book, not actually thinking he'd read it, but as it turns out, he did.
And against all my expectations, he seems to find it interesting. Mainly because of the visible effects on my own health I think, but also because he's getting older now and he's hurting and ailing more and more.

I don't see him very often, as he lives in the USA and I live in Europe, but lately we've been writing to each other about the BTD a lot.
He has started eating meat again, not on the sly this time, and in reasonable quantities, and as I see it, the only thing that hurts now is his "guilty conscience". But that'll get better with time, as he starts to reap the benefits of this diet.
Posted by: marjorie, Friday, March 8, 2013, 5:40pm; Reply: 29
Ruthie- you are doing amazing! Focus on how far you have come.

I think it is human for us to search for an answer to everything.

Food is not the answer to everything, this I am learning:)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, March 8, 2013, 7:35pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from 2degreespisces

Two years ago I sent him the ER4YT book, not actually thinking he'd read it, but as it turns out, he did.
And against all my expectations, he seems to find it interesting. Mainly because of the visible effects on my own health I think, but also because he's getting older now and he's hurting and ailing more and more.

I don't see him very often, as he lives in the USA and I live in Europe, but lately we've been writing to each other about the BTD a lot.
He has started eating meat again, not on the sly this time, and in reasonable quantities, and as I see it, the only thing that hurts now is his "guilty conscience". But that'll get better with time, as he starts to reap the benefits of this diet.

How wonderful that he received the book with an open mind!  And good for you that you reached out to him at the right time.  Hopefully he will give it a good chance and see how much better he can feel!  :D

Posted by: kitari, Friday, March 8, 2013, 11:28pm; Reply: 31
If I had my wish I would be a vegetarian.  I love eating beans and nuts and cheese and grains.  And I love the idea of not harming animals and would eschew meat, fish, poultry on those grounds. My body wants some animal protein though, and NOT CHEESE. ha. I also seem to get allergies (rashes, headaches, congestion)from many nuts and legumes. At first I thought I was a Hunter but after a few years trying out different adjustments to that diet I think I may be an Explorer, someday I hope to get a Swami and secretor test.  I have an odd assortment of fingerprints, very bad reactions to caffeine, negative blood type, and bone mesurements that fit an Explorer.
The worst food offenders for me are gluten(celiac disease), dairy products, soy, potatoes, and pork.  Foods my body seems to love are turkey, brown rice, broccoli, greens and lettuce. I eat a lot of homemade soups and salads and make brown rice breads to eat with those so I don't really have a huge slab of meat at meals...mostly vegetables, brown rice, and some turkey or fish.  Sometimes I get a craving for a hamburger or a steak and I have one.  I get a good deal of regular exercise which I think helps my body function better.  So though I'm not eating vegan or vegetarian anymore I'm not killing hundreds of animals each year to sustain my body and I feel good about that. I try to eat just what I need to maintain good health.
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, March 8, 2013, 11:54pm; Reply: 32
I have been vegetarian, vegan, macrobiotic, blood type diet, genotype diet, a little of the Specific Carb Diet.  Currently, I am raw vegan again - who knows one day, I may change it back, don't know.  Right now, am on the "Rawsome Diet" or known as the Raw Food diet - very simple indeed and takes time to find what suits my own system.  I found the animal proteins and fats affected me badly - liver, pancreas and bowels I think, ie cystisis/bladder infections twice within two months, gums bleeding and swollen gums on lower teeth, hair became dryer, painful scalp, more fatigue, sluggish elimination and constipation, more moody/grumpy, more headaches/migraine.
For now folks on this wonderful site, am having a go at raw vegan after obtaining a second book by the well known Dr Norman W. Walker, 'Vegetarian Guide to Diet and Salads'.  One of his other books, 'Colon Health' was also excellent.  I also have some books from Tonya ([url=http://www.beautifulonraw.com] - Raw Food Diet - Health and Natural Beauty. For now, I start the day with juice of one lemon around 6am, a fresh raw veggie juice about 7am, another fresh veg juice about 11:00am with some soaked nuts such as almonds, brazils, hazelnut, walnut, pecan.  I may add fresh coconut soon. Around 3pm, I eat fresh fruit, then make a green smoothie - fruit blended with green leafy veg such as baby spinach or kale / sea vegetables ie wakame or arame, a smaller veggie juice (more celery and cucumber, with maybe a little apple and carrot) around 5:30pm.  If I am away from home, I just take fruits/veg/salad - today I am out and have some fresh live sprouted mung bean sprouts with me in my lunch salad.  As I learn more, I may change it around, as only am starting on raw, before I used to have a lot of cooked food and animal fats which affect pancreas & liver).  I have more energy now, can focus well in the mornings especially, elimination is improving, sleep is getting better and deeper, mood is better, headaches are less, bleeding gums have stopped, my hair on scalp is getting fuller and softer, facial skin is softer, the night sweats have mostly disappeared (were getting worse with each year for several years; these sweats started when I was in my twenties so is not just due to menopause or hormonal issues).  I get enough fat by eating olives, avocados, soaked nuts, and naturally occuring fats in fruit/veggies/sea veg.  I don't need extra cholesterol as my body makes all that it needs already. I don't miss dairy or ghee at all - migraines used to happen with dairy which clogs up system, my liver and pancreas are happy I am sure, and love it that I don't need to cook or wash up greasy pans or buy/cut up meats which I found so very hard - (I still need to buy some for my dear cat though)   Well, this is how I feel now - I'm sure you will wish me the best as I move forward and give this a decent try) saving on energy/utility bills. I am patient and continue to research on nutrition by reading, and know that as the months go by, my other issues and weight will normalise and improve. Different foods/diets suit different people.  I hope to continue to still check in from time to time with this site as learning from others and Dr D is good too - keeping an open mind/ being flexible important to me anyway.  Best regards & take care on your journey.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, March 9, 2013, 8:18pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from kitari
If I had my wish I would be a vegetarian.  I love eating beans and nuts and cheese and grains.  And I love the idea of not harming animals and would eschew meat, fish, poultry on those grounds. My body wants some animal protein though, and NOT CHEESE. ha. I also seem to get allergies (rashes, headaches, congestion)from many nuts and legumes. At first I thought I was a Hunter but after a few years trying out different adjustments to that diet I think I may be an Explorer, someday I hope to get a Swami and secretor test.  I have an odd assortment of fingerprints, very bad reactions to caffeine, negative blood type, and bone mesurements that fit an Explorer.
The worst food offenders for me are gluten(celiac disease), dairy products, soy, potatoes, and pork.  Foods my body seems to love are turkey, brown rice, broccoli, greens and lettuce. I eat a lot of homemade soups and salads and make brown rice breads to eat with those so I don't really have a huge slab of meat at meals...mostly vegetables, brown rice, and some turkey or fish.  Sometimes I get a craving for a hamburger or a steak and I have one.  I get a good deal of regular exercise which I think helps my body function better.  So though I'm not eating vegan or vegetarian anymore I'm not killing hundreds of animals each year to sustain my body and I feel good about that. I try to eat just what I need to maintain good health.


This sounds like alot of what works for me except the rice. I think my body wants the protein, so I need to listen to it, but if i could, i would live on veggies. However, i am doing better with psychological aspect of eating fish. I always forget about turkey and then i eat chicken which does not feel too good for me.

I am still working on staying in the moment and not eating alot at one time. how much do you workout?
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, March 9, 2013, 11:16pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from jayneeo
I think the reason so many O's are attracted to vegetarianism is due to grains. Grains, esp. wheat, are addictive....really. I understand they have opiatelike substances that O's are less adapted to....so we start loving that kind of food....and craving it.

This is so true. My ex was an O an he could not go one meal without bread or he was grumpy. My son in law, type O, openly admits to being addicted to wheat even though he thinks the BTD makes sense.
Posted by: kitari, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 12:01am; Reply: 35
Quoted from marjorie


how much do you workout?


I walk at least 2 miles every day, three times a week I do HIIT for 15-20 minutes, and 3 times a week I do about 30 minutes of arm and ab exercises mostly pilates.

Posted by: yvonneb, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 12:49pm; Reply: 36
Hi,

I could pick a sentence or two or three or whole paragraphs out of every single post above- that was me also!
People would always tell me I looked sick and I would always ignore them- sure wasn't I eating healthy wholemeal bread and lots of calcium rich cheese!

I had stopped the meat, thinking it wasn't doing me any harm and for the whole 'feed a small planet' idea and then, i didn't like the way animals were kept and their fear at slaughter time.

I still have issues with that and try to buy organic whenever I can afford- organic animals are slaughtered more humanely- that is rigorously checked!

If I thought I was tough enough, I'd keep my own livestock in order to have control over how they die, but I am 98% sure I would not be able to slaughter an animal once I cared for it and then eat it.
So, organic it has to be, or what helps me too, is 'give Thanks' to the animal on your plate, which died for you so you can be healthy.
Don't waste meat, even use the bones to make broth.
It does take so much more grain to make the same weight meat.

And finally, stick to the portion sizes.
In reality, the O diet is lots and lots of veggies  :) with a bit of meat/ fish/ poultry on the side.

We are all with you 100% of your way  ;D


Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 12:52pm; Reply: 37
Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 4:34pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?


Whenever possible, go to the farm where the animals were raised, talk to the farmer or rancher, find out your source, buy local!
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 8:10pm; Reply: 39
Wow.... I really need to check in with the forum! This is an inspiration.

I keep reading about how 'bad' eating meat is, and I really want to lose the weight, but staying healthy is the key!

Lots of veggies and then small to moderate portions of protein seeems to work.
Posted by: yvonneb, Monday, March 11, 2013, 1:37pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?


I know that. But what the animal eats does not influence the way it is slaughtered- grass fed does not mean it doesn't go to a regular slaughter house, or does it??
Organic meat has to meet different standards as far as the killing of the animal is concerned- that is the way it is in Europe anyway. USA may be different
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, March 11, 2013, 2:02pm; Reply: 41
I would think one would be concerned how the animal lived its life-- in a lot or in the grass?

Posted by: BluesSinger, Monday, March 11, 2013, 3:14pm; Reply: 42
Ok so... I sent my husband who is an O and has been slowly trying to eat less and less meat sources of all types and he's agreed to not stop eating turkey, fish, and chicken. However he won't eat meat.  So as an O is there anything I should give him in his supp's (i.e. amino acid's), that will help this meat red exclusion?
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, March 11, 2013, 7:08pm; Reply: 43
Taurine comes to mind.
Posted by: yvonneb, Monday, March 11, 2013, 7:21pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I would think one would be concerned how the animal lived its life-- in a lot or in the grass?


Since I always lived in rural Europe, that never was an issue- all cattle are out on grass- it's cheaper!

I do not know how I would decide if I lived in the States... :-/

PS: this discussion isn't really about my original point anyway, as all this only came up, because I gave the slaughtering as a reason why I gave up meat 25 years ago pre BTD. I am on the BTD-> GTD-> SWAMI since 1998 and loving it ;D

Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, March 11, 2013, 7:48pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from BluesSinger
Ok so... I sent my husband who is an O and has been slowly trying to eat less and less meat sources of all types and he's agreed to not stop eating turkey, fish, and chicken. However he won't eat meat.  So as an O is there anything I should give him in his supp's (i.e. amino acid's), that will help this meat red exclusion?


Some fish are very good sources of protein for an O, such as cod.
Posted by: Lapisrose, Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 1:12am; Reply: 46
Ruthie - thank you for your post - the part about discovering that being vegetarian made you feel that you were trying to be holier than G-d, really hit home for me - thank you!

On the bone broth, I have just placed an order for 12 lbs of beef soup bones from a local clean/ethical rancher (only 99 cents a pound!!!).  

About raw veganism - I have been there and done that, and yes, it improved my health for a time, but the longer I stayed on it, the more I noticed my health was ultimately declining - brain fog, memory issues, weakness...so why did it work at first?  Because it completely cut out all refined foods, dairy, and gluten and it gave my body the cleanse it needed at the time.  I just should have reincorporated (cooked) meat and laid off the sunflower seeds (cheap high dollar nut substitution).

This has been a very enlightening thread and I thank you all for your contributions!!!  
Posted by: aussielady582, Thursday, March 14, 2013, 6:22am; Reply: 47
There could be many reasons why raw vegan worked well at first. Best to get your hands on some good books on living cuisine, rawesome diet, raw foodists etc.  the body takes time to adjust to any change in diet, and some constitutional types find it a bit harder, this is covered in Gab Cousen's (MD) book, 'Conscious Eating'.  Sometimes there can be weaknesses in any gland or organ due to the norm of eating cooked foods for a lifetime along with dairy and animal proteins/fats. With me, my pancreas is one such organ which has suffered as well as liver/kidneys,intestines, and so it is good to make a commitment if this is the way one wants to go.  'Quantum Eating' by Tonya (sorry, forget her surname - http://www.beautifulonraw.com  -  covers many topics also.  Search for the other good sites from people who commit to the raw lifestyle and do very well.  The body can make protein from a good variety of different vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds.  Green smoothies and raw vegetable juices are very helpful to make sure all nutrients are available and to prevent lack of any specific nutrients.  I eat avocado, olives, coconut oil, soaked nuts and seeds, and make sure I juice every day, plus green smoothies. I will resume fasting for one day per week this weekend as this is very good for strengthening the digestive system and getting rid of old toxins.  Not everyone will agree, but I simply can't eat animal flesh protein as I know that cooking it changes the amino acids, essential fatty acids, etc.  I found it hard to buy it, yet along cook it and eat it.  Right now, the raw juicing is helping a lot to fill in the gaps and great for making sure plenty of good enzymes are in my system to actually digest the food I eat.  Exercise is also essential for good assimilation of our food.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, March 14, 2013, 2:16pm; Reply: 48
http://carrie-lehtonen.healthcoach1.integrativenutrition.com/blog/2011/12/to-be-or-not-to-be-vegetarian

In this blog she mentions an herb that Dr. D recommends for O vegetarians-- but of course the best is to include red meat in the diet.
;)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, March 14, 2013, 2:21pm; Reply: 49
Some place in here he has a blog on  the herb-- someone would need to search for it. http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php?blog=27
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