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Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 12:15pm
This should be a much bigger discussion as many people struggle with weight, and water retention is the biggest part in that.

I have retained water since I was 21, that I know for sure, before that I was skinny.  
What makes water retention?
What is the body trying to do be not pushing fluids out?  
What foods might be as good as water pills?
Does eating at different times of day /
What different food make a difference?

I have not seen any diminishing of swollen people even if they drink endless water.  What if any progress has Medicine made about this?

Even Dr. James D. does he have on opinion on that?

I would just love to know.

I understand that Lasix are not good for the kidneys....... over the counter not much works, are there real herbs that do less damage than Lasix?

    
Posted by: jeanb, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 1:16pm; Reply: 1
Carbs hold onto water.  Read Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, he explains the science quite well.

Eat vegetables and your beneficial proteins to get rid of the bloat.  
Posted by: balletomane, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 1:53pm; Reply: 2
I also want to know! For me, I eat lots of veggies and very little grain/starchy food. My issue is during the luteal phase of my cycle. I get so bloated and could easily gain up to 10lbs! All of that is water retention as I lose it after the period. Granted, I do have big fibroids that are gathering all this water. But I wonder if this could be helped at all.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 2:14pm; Reply: 3
Get the size of your bladder checked first. bladder retention or dysfuntional bladder is I suspect a bigger problem than people realise but I suspect that people drinking too much water is a big part of that.

this problem is often incorrectly blamed on prostate issues for men but actually is a widespread issue for both men and women (who don't have prostate ;)

more Understandable when every time I write about people drinking too much water the amount of people saying that is wrong and everyone needs to drink MORE is astounding

With respect, people drinking and recommending people drink several litres of water is mind boggling to me. when a one litre is plenty for most.

adn even the merck manual recommends only 3 glasses (for the average person(

peace and love.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 2:45pm; Reply: 4
I eat veggies, meat and eggs, no starches, so that is not it all the time.. BUT no doubt when I did indulge in grains, I put it on by the pound even faster, look moon faced and feel it.

When I am really 100% compliant, then I stay the same weight or it creeps up slowy, but fingers tell the facts.  Wen fingers look long I have no extra fluids, when they look pudgy, I am loaded... pillows on my hand on the outside are signs in my mind that the heart is suffering. Only hormonal balances could avoid all this..

http://www.cnsforum.com/imagebank/item/HPA_NORM_DPN_3/default.aspx

I just looked at this and found the picture interesting..

Cortex, = Brain on top..
Hyppocampus +amigdala as neurotransmitters = what I see triggers the brain.

Hypothalamus = connected, strengthened twice equal to my nose activating the brain twice and stronly = neuropeptides are activated.

Pituitary= interestingly if a food is making me sensitive/stressed I feel it right away on my chin.
Adrenal cortex is stimulated by cortisol = adrenal burnout, effectively shown in my chin. I get hives that need to be cleaned out of my circulation..

I know I am just playing around, not all in life is about me.. but I can see me in this..

So what hormones to take? how and when?

its just fun to 'suppose'..
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 3:33pm; Reply: 5
A tip to drink  far from the meals  helps you digest better and bloat less imho !
Dr D says this  for As especially, lacking stomac acid and digestives enzymes like pepsine.
Green tea is perfect for bloating and water retention.
Water retention is mostly because of toxins and avoids
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 3:56pm; Reply: 6
In TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine), beans help with this. I get 1/2 cup, 6x week on SWAMI but eat that amount every day.

As far as liquid consumption goes, we do get some in our veggies and fruits.  :)
Posted by: san j, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 7
Protein releases it.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 6:43pm; Reply: 8
The lymphatic system - which consists of a network of vessels throughout the body, drains this fluid from tissues and empties it back into the bloodstream. However, if too much fluid is released in the first place the lymphatic system can be overwhelmed - it is unable to return fluid fast enough, and it accumulates (fluid retention). Sometimes, if the lymphatic system is congested, there may be something wrong with the rate at which fluid is returned back into the bloodstream - fluid will remain in the tissues, causing swelling in various parts of the body, including the abdomen, ankles, legs and feet.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/187978.php

The heart pumps and circulates blood....The lymphatic system has no pump....only movement helps circulate lymphatic fluid...You MUST exercise.  It's why I rebound every day....

http://www.naturalnews.com/031199_rebounding_lymphatic_system.html
Posted by: 2degreespisces, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 6:48pm; Reply: 9
I was about to post the same thing regarding the need for excercise, Chloe.

I find that yoga (especially the gentle twisting excercises) really help to get rid of water retention.
I can see the difference in my fingers and ankles after my daily yoga session.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 7:11pm; Reply: 10
intracellular inflammatory action caused by wrong lectins, and more, depending on personal health issues, variables, like age and so on are sufficient reasons for retention


hytrax aids a lot!
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 9:18pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from 2degreespisces
I was about to post the same thing regarding the need for exercise, Chloe.
So was I!! and
Quoted from Maria Giovanna
Water retention is mostly because of toxins and avoids
It is the body's way of diluting & flushing them out of the way, but we have to do our bit too, (moving more & really trying to avoid the toxins in the first place) or the system gets halted & the fluid stays there... :-/

Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 9:28pm; Reply: 12
I would not make it without my exercise. I love it.

Still need to get more meat... not sure why I am scared! I havent had any in one month and I think that may be why I gained weight?

I do eat fish though?

Thoughts?
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, March 3, 2013, 12:10am; Reply: 13
I only seem to manage to lose weight when I eat beef... Beef has high levels of CLA & the amino acid glutamine that help shed weight, especially when combined with B6 & B3...
Glutamine levels in the body are used up quickly when you are under physical stress such as high-intensity exercise... So that, as well as not eating enough protein, can cause the body to be able to make more fast enough to keep up with what it needs, resulting in a risk of glutamine deficiency...

Here's a useful article... Benefits of Amino Acid L-glutamine
The average amount of Glutamine ingested daily in a health diet is from 5,000-8,000 mg. Those foods with the highest content are pork, poultry, eggs, & dairy proteins ...
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/041501.htm - Cached
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, March 3, 2013, 12:39am; Reply: 14
Just read that glutamine HELPS MAINTAIN ACID/ALKALINE BALANCE
    
"This is done by the production & metabolism of Glutamine in the kidneys. The more severe the acidosis is as in uncontrolled diabetes, starvation, kidneys disorders, decreased oxygen in the body, fluid & electrolyte loss , the greater the rate of Glutamine metabolism in the kidneys. When controlling acidosis the kidneys consume enormous amounts of Glutamine & deplete muscle & other stores . In acidotic conditions there is low Glutamine, low alanine & an increased production of ammonia."
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, March 4, 2013, 11:44am; Reply: 15
I have started to notice people becoming aware of the problems caused by drinking too much water.

here is a comment from a chap which I agree with.

Years ago, I have found an easy way to cause urinary tract infection, kidney disease, and urethritis just by following some of the worse advice from doctors, which was to drink plenty of water. I never in my entire life have had urinary tract infection, but a doctor told me that I should drink plenty of water as a preventive! That started me on a long course of some of the worse urinary pain in my life and it took me over a month to find what was causing the problem. (How stupid of me!)

It was NOT drinking plenty of water that causes this sickness, it was that whenever I drink a lot of water, the body loses valuable salts that is necessary to KILL the bacteria. The single most important antibiotics along the urinary tract has got to be the sea salt. Drinking plenty of water (which reduces valuable salts) was also an easy way to get HAYFEVER, sneezing, stuffy and runny noses, too. Which is another bad advice I follow from doctors, which was to drink plenty of fluids whenever one has a cold and that prevented me from answering emails for the past couple of days. Again, I took the sea salt and it went away in minutes.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, March 4, 2013, 12:54pm; Reply: 16
PC very interesting..

I need to find dandelions again, organic ones. That juice was by far the best to clean out and nourish... I lost all dark circles under my eyes in about 2 month of drinking half a glass juice every day..  

The idea of drinking sea salt for sinus is most interesting.. I will tell someone to try it.
Posted by: Seraffa, Friday, May 24, 2013, 4:12am; Reply: 17
I've started to retain water when low- (or is it high?) pressure air systems move in, like this week's weather. You know - "migrane weather" for some people?

The thing I can't figure out is why my adrenal glands cause me no imbalance at this time (as if they are fully nourished), but only dandelion PLUS exercise will help rid me of "sausage legs"???

What are the adrenals and kidneys saying to one another?

It is at this time no matter how much water i drink, I really still do not pee that much!!! And its not a ketone-type pee. Barely any color at all, very clear.

Help?
Posted by: Tom Martens, Friday, May 24, 2013, 12:58pm; Reply: 18
Trehalose Complex anyone?
Posted by: Spring, Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:11pm; Reply: 19
Goldie, I have a friend who would have LOVED to have seen this post when she was in her younger years. She found out about the diet just before I did and had been struggling with the very problem you have brought up for her entire life! She would suddenly blow up like a balloon, and her husband just knew she was eating more than she realized. She is an O-type and had thought that surely eating lots of veggies and very little meat of any kind would help her lose weight. Of course, this failed over and over and over again. She ate too little meat and I ate too much! When she started eating steaks with her husband, he was an O-type too, she started losing weight, of course. After all those years, she finally felt in control.

I know there are other reasons for  retaining fluid, but this is what her problem was.
Posted by: Spring, Friday, May 24, 2013, 6:12pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Tom Martens
Trehalose Complex anyone?


Yes! (sunny)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, May 24, 2013, 8:33pm; Reply: 21
Water retention issues are often related to mineral balance issues.

Potassium/Sodium balance is a frequent issue.

Magnesium often has a gating effect on the potassium so levels of magnesium in diet may be important in addition to potassium.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 4:57pm; Reply: 22
reishi... indeed ;) ;D...and a little of cordyceps as well....and some fine more infos to be obtained in the world of mycotherapy... :D...amazing amazing world here (smarty)(ok)(dance)(hehe)(woot)(eek)(smarty)(cool)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 7:40pm; Reply: 23
Water retention is simple. If you don't drink enough water, your body will hold onto it any chance it can get, especially in the summer.  I noticed no one mentioned drinking water.  Water is a natural diuretic.
Drink 64 oz a day and you won't retain water.  Another way to check to see if you're dehydrated is to look at your biggest organ. Your skin. Is is sagging and hanging ? then you need to drink water to plump it up.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 7:43pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Seraffa
It is at this time no matter how much water i drink, I really still do not pee that much!!! And its not a ketone-type pee. Barely any color at all, very clear.Help?

Do you go periods of drinking a lot of water and then stop paying attention?  That's another example of the body holding on to the water..because it doesn't know when you'll give it more. If you drink a lot of water all the time, the body will let go and release the stored water because it knows more will be coming in.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 7:49pm; Reply: 25
MF, I'm in total agreement with both of your posts!  :)
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 9:47pm; Reply: 26
Water retention is not so simple for some people. So I don't agree.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 11:51pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Spring
Water retention is not so simple for some people. So I don't agree.


Please feel free to add to the discussion.  I would like to learn what you know about this subject.
In my experience, dehydration caused MY ankles to swell....plenty of water and magnesium helped to release the fluid but it was a long slow process.....I used to retain fluid all the time, and now I don't....but I never really knew the primary reason for the fact that in winter my rings fall off my fingers and in summer, they're tight. In summer I'm likely to maybe need a bit less salt?
Although not sure.....not sure why hot weather causes more fluid retention.

There is also something Dr. D explained to me about fluids being inside the cell vs outside the
cells...When the bioimpedence test is done at the clinic, they come up with a number that shows you whether fluid is getting inside the cell or not.....and often if there is too much fluid outside the cell, the membrane fluidizer drink of flax oil/lecithin and a juice is used first thing in the
AM, on an empty stomach for the purpose of softening the stiff cell wall......The stiff cell wall prevents nutrients from getting into the cell.....and if a cell is going to make a good copy of itself, you want that copy to come from the healthiest possible cell.

So I'm thinking one of the "other" reasons for this fluid imbalance is that the cell wall is stiff and
fluids are pooling outside rather than getting inside the cell.

But still, not sure if this is a primary reason for fluid retention.  I know when I eat anything with
MSG or strange preservatives, my whole body retains fluids.....I get puffy hands and feet and
my face looks swollen. On a clean diet, I'm not retaining fluid at all.

I happened to agree with what MF said....but please, if you have something you could add......
please feel free to do so.

Posted by: Seraffa, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:05am; Reply: 28
mine doesnt, so its certainly not water or a potassium issue. cos im a nonnie, and explorer to boot, and it gets complex-erer, not that i enjoy it turning out that way.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:14am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Seraffa
mine doesnt, so its certainly not water or a potassium issue. cos im a nonnie, and explorer to boot, and it gets complex-erer, not that i enjoy it turning out that way.


Not sure what you mean...."Mine doesn't"....???  Mine doesn't what???

My husband is a nonnie and doesn't retain water.  But he's not an Explorer....

Just wondering.....do you use larch powder?  It acts as a second kidney, Dr. D told DH.  Might help
you get rid of some of this excess fluid.  

Posted by: Spring, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 1:17am; Reply: 30
Quoted from 815
Water retention is simple. If you don't drink enough water, your body will hold onto it any chance it can get, especially in the summer.  


Chloe, if you totally agree with the idea that water retention is simple, I would be wasting my time.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, May 30, 2013, 1:22am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Spring


Chloe, if you totally agree with the idea that water retention is simple, I would be wasting my time.


Until you pointed out that you disagreed, I was truly thinking from my own experience that this
wasn't very complicated.  

Still want to hear what you could add to this discussion.

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