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Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 5:05pm
About 3 or 4 weeks ago, I got pretty sick. I was so congested that I couldn't breathe through my nose while lying down and I had a very sore throat. I ran a fever for a few days. I had some vertigo, which commonly happens when I'm congested, as fluid goes from my nose to my eustachian tube.

It's been several weeks, but some of the symptoms aren't going away. The fever and sore throat are completely gone. I'm not as exhausted as I was at the peak of the illness, but I've been fatigued. The severe congestion has lessened; I'm not coughing up large quantities of thick yellow mucus anymore, and I can  breathe through my nose most of the time.

But the congestion isn't going completely away. I have this constant post-nasal drip that goes into my lungs. It's not thick or hard to cough up, and my lungs don't feel congested. It's more like the feeling when some water goes down the wrong pipe and you cough a lot for a few minutes. Then for the next half hour it's mostly gone but there's still a  tickle in your throat. It feels like there's a little bit of water in my lungs that won't cough up easily. There are times in the day when this is more intense and times when it's less intense, but it's always there.

Taking benadryl at night dries up the mucus enough that I can breathe through my nose while sleeping. I can't take it during the daytime because it makes me sleepy. I suspect that sudafed would dry up the mucus just fine, but I have a history of high blood pressure (currently in the normal range) so I can't safely take that drug. I  tried taking guaifenesin, but it didn't do me any good. The mucus is already thin enough- it just won't go away.

I've been following my SWAMI, using a neti pot once a day, eating lots of garlic and onions, and taking elderberry and probiotics. I'm trying to get enough sleep, but it's hard when my children need less sleep than I seem to need right now.

Is there anything else I should be doing, or something I have been doing that I should stop?
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 5:54pm; Reply: 1
Check out viral support for blood type O.

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/6.html

I would think quercetin would be my best suggestion for congestion.  And notice the recommendations for nonnies includes 10,000 iu of vitamin A

And maybe see if the fatigue protocol is helpful as well

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/15.html

Pulmonary?
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/24.html
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:01pm; Reply: 2
Ruthie,
Sounds like the something similar to what I had.  I didn't think it would ever go away.  This is the first week in months that I've actually felt better.  I felt like a mucus machine...
I took Chloe's advice and took Sovereign Silver.  The big bottle that I ordered after the smaller one was used up didn't come with a dropper and it recommended a couple of tsp a day for immune support.  I ordered it from Amazon.

One of my friends also has it and she finally went to the doctor.  Dr. told her it was allergies which I find hard to believe.  

Hope that you are better soon.  It's been a long tim.
Jane
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:09pm; Reply: 3
sorry dearle I wouldn't use any nety pot coz they throw up bacteria directly (+ -) into cranial zones... I always thought they aren't ok as mentioned..and for sure they aren't!! :( in my oppinion....!!!  :B ;D... load up with Vitamin C and take some *Sinfrontal* from MG Goeppingen -Germany if that is existing in USA.... those pillies are made in homeopathic dosages and really helped me out of da finest ...incl. collodial silver ....don't fear any blueness in c.silver it always depend how it was made... :D

wish you a very quick recovery  :K) from Isa
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:16pm; Reply: 4
I just placed an order at Swanson vitamins- I wish I'd thought to ask for supplement advice first. I really can't afford too many of Dr D's supplements, so I usually see what he recommends then put it together less expensively on my own.

I'm also not sure how many protocols I can be/should be doing at once. I'm still doing a combination of the anti-inflammatory and anti-arthritis protocols (they overlap quite a bit) due to the lower back pain. My back is a lot better but nowhere near 100% and I don't want to discontinue those supplements (cayenne pepper, ginger, and turmeric from the spice cabinet plus boswellia in pills.) I don't want to start on too many different supplements at once.

And wow- 10,000 iu of vitamin A is a LOT! I get plenty of beta-carotene daily- I just quickly checked how much vitamin A is in carrots, butternut squash, and sweet potatoes, and calculated that I'm eating more than 10,000 iu (ie, 200% of the RDA) daily.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:42pm; Reply: 5
Strange, I've gone through something like you but on a larger scale but the same time frame.  I was pretty stuffy and had bloody mucous and green globs for a week or so.  No fever.  But was run down.  And it has lessened but I keep getting drainage.  


Can you eat grapefruit?  I think they are great for getting the sinuses to clear.  Although so do garlic and onions.  But yeah, I think Vit C might be in order.  Berries?  Some frozen blueberries?  I put mine in the oven on 250 for a bit and let them just start to get soft.  Yum.  I swear when I ate them one night it made a huge difference with my sinuses.  

I'll say a prayer for you.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:52pm; Reply: 6
Yup, I can eat grapefruit, but I haven't had any in a while. I also eat a tablespoon of rose hips each day, in tea, for the vitamin C. I do have blueberries in my freezer.

My problem is that I don't do well on fruit. The sugar messes me up, and try as I might, I can't seem to figure out when to eat fruit that doesn't leave me craving carbs for the rest of the day.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 7:23pm; Reply: 7
About the betacarotene some people can´t convert that very well

- is it possible for you to get real A vitamin Retinol ? from food ?

From my notes from a very interesting speak:

Groups that might have problems with converting

Babies and smaller kids
diabetics
If you have thyroid problems
Liver problems
unbalanced gut flora
If you eat a lot of nitrate and nitrite
If you eat a lot of betarotene :-/ espeacially without fat.
and a english survey showed that aprox half of the women couldn´t convert beta into retinol. :o

Situations that put stress into you A levels.
High protein / low fat diets
cold weather
fever and other disease
Hard physically work
exposer to pesticides and other toxins in enviroment
stress.

I can´t recall
but can you do cod liver oil ?
What about liver
more ghee / butter ?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 7:38pm; Reply: 8
Ghee and butter are superfoods and I'm already having about a tablespoon a day (in spite of SWAMI's recommendation of 1/2 tsp a day.) Both liver (various forms) and cod liver oil are black dots. I have CLO in the house because my son takes it, and as a special treat for myself I bought 3/4 pound of chicken liver last week, made it into chopped liver, and ate it all within a 24 hour period. I wasn't feeling particularly good that day either.

I get plenty of fat in my diet, and never eat orange veggies without fat in the meal.

I could get 10,000 iu of vitamin A daily via CLO fairly easily, but I hesitate to consume a "black dot" for supposed health benefits. I wish I knew the reason CLO was a black dot for me- for example, if the problem is that it normally has too much vitamin A for the amount of vitamin D it contains, then taking it now would probably be a good thing. But if it's a black dot for some other reason, I wouldn't want to make myself weaker.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 7:43pm; Reply: 9
Mucinex will help thin the mucus.  Perhaps also add saline spray for around-the-clock use.

The sinus infection I had all December and most of January required rounds of two different anti-biotics plus prednisone, aside from the Mucinex, neti-pot, and saline.  I hope you fare better than I did.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 8:58pm; Reply: 10
That just makes no sense to me.  1/2 teaspoon of oils a day???????????  How can anyone survive on that.  

I think it's one area swami seems strange.  I guess maybe it's calculating all the oils you get from the meats...  But that seems WAY too low.  
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 9:09pm; Reply: 11
I never foliow swami regarding fat - never made sense to me. ::) :B

I would up my butter/ghee for a while - just to make sure you get enough nourishments,
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 9:20pm; Reply: 12
Mucinex worked well for me too.  I bought the newer liquid one for cold and sinus.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 9:50pm; Reply: 13
I tried following SWAMI recommendations for fats and oils for about 2 days; then I got too weak from hunger. I now completely ignore that part of the portion size recommendations, but try to follow the recommendations for all other foods. It's always a challenge for me to keep my portions low enough. I think I've gotten plenty of fat so far today: 3 whole eggs cooked in butter, then mixed veggies cooked in ghee, then for lunch turkey meatballs with some leftover veggies (some of which were roasted in olive oil), then a bowl of veggie/bean soup (veggies roasted in olive oil  before water and beans were added), then a rice cake slathered in butter, and just now a can of sardines in olive oil.

I feel like I'm choking on all this watery mucus- taking a drug that thins it further truly doesn't help me in any way. At least not in any noticeable way, and my instinct is always to not take drugs unless I really need to. Potential harm outweighs the benefits when there are no benefits.

I'm still debating the merits of taking cod liver oil for the  vitamin A, at least for a few days. Would the benefits of the vitamin A outweigh whatever harm the black-dottedness might cause?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:08pm; Reply: 14
Ja that sounds nourishing enough ;)
I don´t know  about CLO  :-/

But advice here after flu is plenty of sleep, protein and good fats for at least 2 weeks after.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:11pm; Reply: 15
I went ahead and took the CLO today. I figured it would  be best absorbed with the fatty sardines I just ate. I'm not sure if I'll continue doing that after today.
Posted by: Averno, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 11:30pm; Reply: 16


Ghee, for all it's benefit to the gut, is mucus forming nonetheless. No?
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 12:13am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
I never foliow swami regarding fat - never made sense to me. ::) :B

I would up my butter/ghee for a while - just to make sure you get enough nourishments,


If I followed my SWAMI recommendation for fat, I'd be starving and living on carbs.  I agree...
the recommendations make no sense to me either....??)

Posted by: md, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 1:37am; Reply: 18
We like mullein tea, as mentioned in the pulmonary support protocol. Also, slippery elm is something else I would take. Both have helped myself and others in my family.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:40am; Reply: 19
I has something similar.  I had to do a second round of antibiotics after the Zithromax.

I'm finally feeling like I can go back to covering court proceedings now, but I still haven't gotten over it completely.

Mucinex never did it for me ruthiegirl.  Made me feel icky.  I took astragalus (sp?) Nettles, MSM, Boswellia, Probiotic O, Deflect and Proberry.  Didn't seem to touch it too much.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 7:18am; Reply: 20
I also have something that has settled in behind my breastbone (pressure, tightness).  Some mornings I clear out quite a bit from my lungs;  other mornings, there is nothing.  I can't tell if I have bronchitis, new asthma or what.  I don't feel sick, but not quite well either.  I fought a very mild flu off and on for the past month - never really sick, but not up to my usual good health.  This has been going on for at least 5 weeks.  Strange.

This all happened after some dental surgery which involved a round of antibiotics - the first I've taken in a decade.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 5:32pm; Reply: 21
Genoma Security is specifically made to rid the biofilm.  It helped us get through this junk, but we're not type O...
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:09pm; Reply: 22
Victoria,
That's EXACTLY what happened to me - all these antibiotics for the dental implant surgery.  At one point they even had me take steroids and antibiotics - I fought it but they insisted I needed it.  I had the same tightness under the breastbone and enough mucus to fill a good sized stadium for over a month.  I'm finally feeling better and wouldn't you know I have a dental appointment today - just a cleaning though.  I still have a minor amount of mucus but that may be because I've been eating too much dairy.
The liquid Mucinex helped with the chest congestion and allowed me to sleep.
Jane
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 8:36pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Chloe


If I followed my SWAMI recommendation for fat, I'd be starving and living on carbs.  I agree...
the recommendations make no sense to me either....??)



There's no way 1/2 teaspoon a day would be enough.  You can't even cook with that little amount.  I get a tablespoon and try to stick to it.  But I'll tell you what, the two times I went and stayed at a resort, with good food, they use more oil than I would ever.  And I ate it and I really think it made me feel better.  I didn't feel like I needed my CoQ10 as much.  Or any of my vitimans.  Like the increase in oils gave my body more nourishment.  It was really good food I was eating.  For example, one meal was a nice big cod fillet and they roasted butternut squash and zucchini.  And red peppers.  The veggies were on the bottom and just swimming in oil.  Which I'm pretty sure was olive oil.  I never did ask about what oil they use.  I know it wasn't coconut because I requested they not use it.  But anyways.  I didn't sit there and slurp up the oil, but I ate the veggies.  

My point is, yeah, I'm not sure where these oil recommendations come from.  Because I feel like I do better when I get more.  But when I'm at home, I find myself trying to stick to the tablespoon a day thing because I guess I'm afraid of over doing it.  Either way my cholesterol has gone down eating more red meat and eating more oil than I had in a long time this last year and a half.  I would think an O would need a good amount of fat.  
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 8:47pm; Reply: 24
JJR. I have to agree with you...But, besides just measuring fats and oils from a spoon, we all
get nuts...and many of us get avocados for which portions are very generous...plus a specific amount of fat grams would be found in fish/meats/eggs...Given I eat eggs rarely and would be allowed 7 per week and don't eat much cheese but could have as much as 3oz many times a week, what I do is eat more nut butters and cook with more oil...

I think when calculating everything that complies individual SWAMIS, all fat grams from all foods were computed....and became a particular percentage of our caloric intake.  If your cholesterol profile
has improved then you're doing a good job of eating right....As far as not feeling satiated, the one
food group that I seem to need to adjust is fats....More fat is better for my mood, my skin, my
satiety and my immune system...but in all reality, perhaps I'm not eating more fat than SWAMI recommends, I've merely changed which foods groups I'm getting my fat from.  More plant
fat than animal fat.  I honestly don't feel I was designed to be eating a lot of animal fat anyway.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 11:51pm; Reply: 25
I started drinking lemon in water again yesterday and I'm doing it again today. I'd forgotten all about that for a while. I'm definitely feeling a lot better today- still tired, but the congestion is "annoying" rather than "choking me."
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 8, 2013, 1:15am; Reply: 26
Quoted from Chloe
JJR. I have to agree with you...But, besides just measuring fats and oils from a spoon, we all
get nuts...and many of us get avocados for which portions are very generous...plus a specific amount of fat grams would be found in fish/meats/eggs...Given I eat eggs rarely and would be allowed 7 per week and don't eat much cheese but could have as much as 3oz many times a week, what I do is eat more nut butters and cook with more oil...

I think when calculating everything that complies individual SWAMIS, all fat grams from all foods were computed....and became a particular percentage of our caloric intake.  If your cholesterol profile
has improved then you're doing a good job of eating right....As far as not feeling satiated, the one
food group that I seem to need to adjust is fats....More fat is better for my mood, my skin, my
satiety and my immune system...but in all reality, perhaps I'm not eating more fat than SWAMI recommends, I've merely changed which foods groups I'm getting my fat from.  More plant
fat than animal fat.  I honestly don't feel I was designed to be eating a lot of animal fat anyway.


Makes sense.  I eat more than my allowed nuts.  It's the only way I know how to keep my calories up to where I don't lose weight.  Either that or eat lamb every day.  Which is expensive.   :)
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 8, 2013, 1:16am; Reply: 27
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I started drinking lemon in water again yesterday and I'm doing it again today. I'd forgotten all about that for a while. I'm definitely feeling a lot better today- still tired, but the congestion is "annoying" rather than "choking me."



Yay!!!!  I didn't even think to say it.  But yeah, even the book says it cuts mucous down.  

Posted by: Victoria, Friday, February 8, 2013, 5:57am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Jane
Victoria,
That's EXACTLY what happened to me - all these antibiotics for the dental implant surgery.  At one point they even had me take steroids and antibiotics - I fought it but they insisted I needed it.  I had the same tightness under the breastbone and enough mucus to fill a good sized stadium for over a month.  I'm finally feeling better and wouldn't you know I have a dental appointment today - just a cleaning though.  I still have a minor amount of mucus but that may be because I've been eating too much dairy.
The liquid Mucinex helped with the chest congestion and allowed me to sleep.
Jane

Hi Jane, thanks for your post.  I sent you a message.  :)
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