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Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:11pm
With some cole slaw, biscuits, corn, beans, apple pie, whatever.  Must be the superbowl.  They said that some crazy amount of wings get eaten on Superbowl sunday.  Like 1.5 Billion.  Yes BILLION.  BILLION.  I mean, cmon.  All I could think about were those nasty, hormone laden, filthy chickens.  Eeeeewwwwww.  But they taste so good.  LOL.  

There are even some food that are good for you that I really miss.  I haven't been eating soup because garlic and onions seem to mess with me and either or both are like in every soup you can imagine.  

I want a waffle house waffle too.  With maple syrup and butter.  Some bacon.  Actually links or patties I like better even.  

A beer.  Some corn chips and dip.  Any kind of dip.  Gravy.  I miss gravy.  A freakin seafood sub from Cousins.  A double helping of that fake crab meat.  Meatballs......  Tomato soup with a toasted cheese.  

And the coup de grace, Doughnuts.  I got to thinking about sweets and I think the ones I miss the most are doughnuts.  I loved those croissant types that have glazed sugar on top.  And then sometimes some melted chocolate.  I really like a cheese danish.  Or really any kind of danish.  Blueberry, cherry, whatever.  Coffee cake.  Jelly filled doughnuts.  Boston cream filled.  Oh yeah.  Oh yeah, those are sooooooo good.  Oh man.  That's probably the one I miss the most.  


Grrrrrr......  

Sorry to tempt any of you all.  But sometimes I just gotta talk about it.  
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:20pm; Reply: 1
Well, it didn't tempt me in the least, so just have at it if it helps to get it off your chest!! In fact, I turned just slightly sick at the thought of such "heathen" food!! KFC chicken - yikes to the nth!!! The only one here finally closed down because people don't want all that grease anymore. That make-believe "jelly" in doughnuts never had any taste to me. Another yikes! And all that old "creamy" mess of chemicals called fillings is enough to make my stomach get really nervous. Come on, JJR, can't you come up with something really sinfully good!?!
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:25pm; Reply: 2
Too funny but good to get it off your chest. And I thought that my craving for 100% rye bread toasted was decadent! The smell drives me crazy with c ;Dravings and both my husband and son are in the habit of having it on the weekends.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:28pm; Reply: 3
Is it really all that bad?  It's been a really long time since I've had any of that.  

Well what if the boston cream filled doughnut was from really pure ingredients.  But yeah, if I had one now, it might not strike me as all that good.  But I miss that combo of goopy and bready together.  The closest thing I get is oats.  Which is really good too.  But more of a healthy kind of good.  I'm thinking about starting to put raisins in it for that dessert kind of flavor.  I usually just eat it with nuts. I do add a little bit of honey though.

But I still think Waffle House waffles are awesome.  I don't think I'd dislike them now.  Especially with some REAL maple syrup.  And honestly, I think I'd like KFC.  In fact, you don't have me convinced that none of that stuff I mentioned wouldn't taste really good.  LOL.  
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:35pm; Reply: 4
Ohhhhhh, I see. So, JJR, you are going by how these things tasted a looooong time ago. Just please don't mess up a good thing only to find out that your memory or current ways of corrupting food has played a major "sick" trick on you!!
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:36pm; Reply: 5
A cardboard waffle? Give me a BREAK!!  :o :o :o :o
Posted by: Averno, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:37pm; Reply: 6


Awesome healthy food is available to us every day. I'm having some cravings myself,  but I sense there's a chemical, not emotional value to it.  

It's rough, though...

So, hmmmmm... What's missing? What's out of balance?
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:41pm; Reply: 7
You're making me hungry for some good food, JJR. I am going to have an absolutely delicious small banana chia and flax seed muffin sweetened with a tad of maple syrup and veggie glycerin. I might even put a little sugar-beet syrup on top! A feast, I tell you!! (sunny)
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Monday, February 4, 2013, 10:18pm; Reply: 8
I bet if you did eat all that stuff now - it wouldn't taste the way you remember it. I know I couldn't drink a soda now if I wanted too - way toooooo sweet. I know I get craving every now and then - but then if I do submit to them - the food didn't taste as good as I remembered it. I think my taste buds have improved to like things that are good for me and reject the things that are not. :)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, February 4, 2013, 10:30pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from JJR

. . A beer. . .


How about a beer?  

Beer is Superfood on my Nomad SWAMI; how about yours?  :)
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:10am; Reply: 10
Funny you mention "goopy and bready" as what is driving you doughnut-ward; I just had "lunch": Toasted bagel with almond butter and raspberry jam...yup - even the jam! When the toasted bagel first emerges from the toaster, it's hot and crisp. Then, when you spread the almond butter on it, it gets - yes - goopy and melts. Then you put the jam on it for sweetness, but it's a subtle sweetness, tempered by the almonds - better, I think, than that really strong doughnut-sugar-hit.

And I definitely understand the KFC craving, but it's complicated - important to parse it, to determine what you can compliantly do about it.
It looks like you're craving Fried Food in a pretty big way.
Fry up some kind of compliant-ly filled dumpling/roll and serve it with a bbq-type sauce and a slaw.

There are all sorts of things you can do with turkey, including skewering and grilling/broiling.
The ingredient I think you'd have the hardest time subbing for is...Corn. Nothing in the world tastes like corn.

I think you should take your Cravings List seriously, JJR, and be ready for when those moods hit, with recipes you've tweaked when feeling more balanced. Then you'll just make them, and head the whole thing off.
Meantime, recognize what your, say, half-dozen Irreplaceables are, and I say allot them each a day in the year. If you feel you're really missing a Kentucky-Fried Chicken Leg, or an order of wings from such-and-such place, then order that on Super Sunday every year. If you love cornbread stuffing, have it only on Thanksgiving - that sort of thing.

Or - just say that Super Sunday is the one day when you go for the "whole 9 yards"  ;D and get the biscuit and slaw and corn, too, and have a good time with your friends who are celebrating that way.

I don't know how religious you are about all this, but since Dr. D'Adamo, for instance, has never (to my mind) codified Commandments, you need to factor-in your happiness to your program and cut yourself the kind of slack that will permit ongoing sanity.
Everyone has to decide that for him/her self and, perhaps, periodically re-assess.
Good Luck.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 1:53am; Reply: 11
I enjoyed reading about your fantasies about food. We all have certain cravings!
I also like to talk about food & often ask someone what food will be served at an event. I don't plan to eat it, but I just like to know what food is there. :)
Maybe it's like someone wanting to know what clothing people wore at an event, something I probably wouldn't ask about.

Yes, I am a food voyeur!!! (I think that is the spelling.)    
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:21am; Reply: 12
EGG ROLLS!!!  Yes, I've been wanting an egg roll.  

For the benefit of some of you, no I won't go out and eat these things and haven't in a lOOOOOOOng time.  I do sometimes want to venture into a crazy treat every now and then, but I pretty much stopped that a long time ago.  Sugar things make me feel weak, rev my heart up and I basically don't want to do anything for a couple of hours.  Even my voice gets weak.  

But yeah, I think you're right San j.  Probably because it's winter and it's freaking cold up here, I'm craving fried food.  Extra calories for the cold weather I guess.  I did have some sweet potato chips tonight with dinner.  That's fried.  

The other thing is I wish I could just eat like everyone else and have it not kick my butt.  Because sometimes it's just convenient.  I have to plan so carefully where to go and when and how to eat.  And if I don't, I pay for it.  At least I have in the past.  I think I'm getting a little stronger.  But my giving in is a 1/4 piece of rye toast when I order an omelet at my local diner once in a while.   And my 80 calories of dark chocolate per day.  For a long time I didn't crave sweet things at all.  I do put about a teaspoon and a half of honey in my oatmeal or rice at night.  But for a long time I didn't do that.  I have increased that lately and finally have a taste for it.  You really can't taste that too much though.  Now the chocolate is sweet.  But I don't think I could do much more than that little bit I do.  A full doughnut would send me into a panic attack probably.  LOL.  

I do want to try and find healthy alternatives and try them.  I bought some oat flour and would like to make some pancakes or waffles with it.  I don't really do maple syrup lately.  I suppose I could try it.  

Gravy too.  I used to love food with gravy.  And I haven't really eaten that too much.  I do get turkey at my local diner and have them put it on the side.  And I've been starting to eat a little of that.  I would like to learn how to make my own.   And have the energy to.  I just baked 3 lbs of ground turkey and there was tons of juice left over.  It would make a good gravy I bet.  I've just never done it.  And at present I'm beat with the regiment I currently have cooking and cleaning up.

So anyways......  Yeah, I just like to talk about food.  When I was little, I was picky.  Real picky.  But my Mom made me try everything.  And then when I got into my 20's, I'd eat anything.  And enjoyed a LOT of it.  I ate like a horse.  Now, I'm back to my childhood.  Not because I want to, but because my body deemed so.  I would rather try to function than eat something that messes with the little bit of vitality I have.  
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:23am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Victoria


How about a beer?  

Beer is Superfood on my Nomad SWAMI; how about yours?  :)


People with Lyme Disease don't do well on alcohol.  I've had a few sips of wine a couple of years ago and it just seemed to inflame me.  

Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:27am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Spring
A cardboard waffle? Give me a BREAK!!  :o :o :o :o


No no.  Waffle house waffles are the best waffles you can get.  Up here, if you go into a restaurant, they're only "belgium style" waffles.  They're super thick and you have to soak them with syrup in order to eat them.  Which then just makes them gross.  Even before I stopped eating bad food I never liked those belgium waffles.  If you don't soak them with something, they're too dry.  And if you do soak them, it's ridiculous.  Waffle house waffles, the perfect thickness and flavor.  Yes, those are good.  That's my veiwpoint.   :P ;D 8)

Mrs T, what do you crave or miss or really like?  
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:29am; Reply: 15
I miss a good chinese dish.  Like beef and broccoli over white rice in all that goopy goodness.  

Comfort food for the winter I guess.  
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:45am; Reply: 16
Quoted from JJR
I miss a good chinese dish.  Like beef and broccoli over white rice in all that goopy goodness.  

Comfort food for the winter I guess.  


A little recklessness never harmed anybody once in awhile...as long as you don't make a habit out of it. ;)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 3:35am; Reply: 17
Quoted Text
It would make a good gravy I bet.


add any compliant flour to that when still hot, stirring constantly, until you get the right consistency and no clumps......ghee added in is great as well
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 3:45am; Reply: 18
Quoted from JJR
No no.  Waffle house waffles are the best waffles you can get.  


No no. They're not. You haven't eaten mine!  Yes, I've eaten at Waffle House - I do believe twice in my life. But compliant stuff is just so much better! I think I have to get off this subject..... I get sick just thinking about eating stuff that nearly kills people!  :-/
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 4:00am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Lola


add any compliant flour to that when still hot, stirring constantly, until you get the right consistency and no clumps......ghee added in is great as well


Ghee - and any compliant oils. I hear you wanting oil, JJR. And for crispiness:
It only takes the lightest dusting of flour/starch to deliver crispness upon frying, if the oil is good and H-O-T, when you drop your item into it.
Always drain on absorbent toweling.

Another way to caramelize - instead of fry - is, as you know, to roast - and this can be done in pan, oven or on grill.

Hot food, roasted food, caramelized food, soups, stews and oilier food, somewhat darker, richer, meatier/gamier flavors -- these can, as I see it, help you address the particular cravings you're having, as I understand them. I would balance these flavors with some light/sour/sweet/acidic flavors, such as Asian slaw and other dressings, citrus glazes, etc., as permitted you, to get the full range of flavor profiles that will keep you very contentedly compliant. Remembering your craving for egg rolls, I'm thinking about Peter's beloved Stuffed Cabbage: Consider stuffing steamed cabbage leaves with a turkey/veg chinese-style stuffing, battering these and then frying, making a gingery lemon tamari or ponzu dipping sauce...

And, yes, if you were in better health, I'd emphasize what I posted in my other post, above, but, seeing as you're not, just make big pots/trays of stuff if you can, and eat leftovers, or cook in stages. I'm a big fan of cold Chinese food, myself, friend.
Best of luck!
Posted by: tessieUK, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 4:36am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Mrs T O+
I enjoyed reading about your fantasies about food. We all have certain cravings!
I also like to talk about food & often ask someone what food will be served at an event. I don't plan to eat it, but I just like to know what food is there. :)
Maybe it's like someone wanting to know what clothing people wore at an event, something I probably wouldn't ask about.

Yes, I am a food voyeur!!! (I think that is the spelling.)    


Me too! I always ask about food, what did people have for dinner on the phone, and I love hearing about what there was at special events. At christmas time I liked looking at all the mince pies, christmas cake, flapjacks and things laid out on the table for pudding, it sort of made me feel happy :D (I'd made my own compliant dark chocolate mousse) and I kept encouraging everyone to have clotted cream with their mince pies-I used to adore clotted cream! One of my sisters pointed it out :D I also go through phases of watching loads of food documentaries. The other day I started watching one where they were making butternut squah ravioli, but then I got really annoyed about how much health destroying wheat is used by chefs in general and turned off in disgust lol. I wish there were some health concious-gluten free/paleo/blood type diet T.V chefs around. They would have such a good influence on the health of the public! I think that will come though actually, as alternative nutritional messages reach the mainstream more.  

Sorry I got a bit of the topic of this thread. But I guess I'm saying-I know it wouldn't cut it for some, but for me it's possible to enjoy avoids vicariously sometimes, and quite a harmless way of doing so :D
Posted by: Serenity, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:26am; Reply: 21
I sometimes crave a banana smoothie, not sure why though because i didn't like them before btd! (of course bananas are now avoid). Oh and real tiramisu, i don't like/never liked oily fried things but creamy things are my vice :P
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:53am; Reply: 22
I am not about to throw away years of eating right for some plate of garbage. No way. I have never in my life since I was grown been one to eat a whole slice of pie, cake, bar of candy, even a sandwich with two slices of bread at once! Can you believe that?! Well, it is true. Crank up some will power, folks, this stuff is catching to the vulnerable. Almost like alcohol to a alcoholic. I bet some of you have already decided to "eat just a little of this or that."  Get away from that thought already. There is no good whatsoever in suffering from playing with temptation. And we certainly don't want to be on here whining about all those aches and pains that this sort of thing brings on. Do we?
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 10:34am; Reply: 23
JJR complete of mine ;)...remember the 500% more damage while having been off those junks...and then re-introducing it::)  :-/ :P(evil)(evil)

Isn't there any *temptation thread about no-no's* ??) ;) :D :X........and hey all of us do cherrish mental eroticismes likewise.....but be aware first ther's a thought...next is action ....(hehe)(hehe)(yawn)(shrug)(shhh)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 5:42pm; Reply: 24
Gravy is easy to make. Start with the liquid from cooking meat, or some bone broth, or even packaged broth if you can find a compliant one. Add some rice flour (or other compliant flour) and heat while stirring with a whisk. Use about one tablespoon flour per cup of broth. Add salt and/or other spices to taste, if needed.

If you're really craving waffles, get a waffle iron and make your own. It sounds to me like you're craving fatty food in general- and since you're looking to gain weight, it may be wise to feed that particular craving, just make sure you do it in a healthy way.
Posted by: Averno, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:22pm; Reply: 25


Food voyeur! I love that!   :D

I made one of my old favorites the other evening: butternut squash tortellini with sage butter sauce. All compliant with rice pasta and goat milk substitutions, and it was every bit as good as the semolina and cream version. Looked different, but still beautiful.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:27pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Spring


No no. They're not. You haven't eaten mine!  Yes, I've eaten at Waffle House - I do believe twice in my life. But compliant stuff is just so much better! I think I have to get off this subject..... I get sick just thinking about eating stuff that nearly kills people!  :-/



I bet I would like yours.  They probably are better than waffle house!!!!  I have never had any that were made with good, compliant ingredients.  It's probably something I should look into.  I do have a waffle iron.  Do you have a good recipe?  Does it use any fermented dairy?  I can't do those right now.  


Look you guys, Amazone, I've had these cravings before and never gave into binging on bad foods.  I enjoy food.  I have LOVED eating healthy food. I do think it tastes waaaaaay better than bad, processed foods.  And I would LOVE to have the energy to expand my repertoire. And LORD willing I will.   And that my body would be OK with it.  There are foods that are good for you that don't sit well with me, so those are frustrating too.  It's just a craving for something different.  And yes, even the occasional "unhealthy" food is not a horrible idea.  

There's no reason to get crazy about all this.  I did give a warning "read at your own risk".  I have no idea what's in a waffle house waffle and why that would be so damaging, other than wheat.  There's probably oils and what not.  And I get it, those foods can do harm.   But it's my opinion that it's only if you make a habit of it.  Once in a while isn't going to hurt some people.  And the plain fact of the matter is, I would have a lot more options and feel less constricted, if my body wasn't so sensitive to bad foods.  And really, my goal is to be able to indulge once in a while without it knocking me down so bad.  You really think that that is an awful thing?  

What if you had a car accident and ended up in the hospital.  And the only thing on the menu is, well, hospital food.  What are you gonna do, say I can't eat any of this because it's not on my BTD.  I was in the hospital for a week a couple of years ago, ate their food and survived.  I did my best.  And I had my wife bring me my chammomile tea and fresh ginger.  But I ate their fish and I can't remember what else I had.  Food.  I ate it.  I survived.  

The fact is, we might find ourselves in situations where we CAN'T eat what is BEST for us.  And we have to do our best.  So.......  

My cravings are my cravings.  There's no need to pee pee on my parade.  I did say read at your own risk.  I like to reminisce about food.  Good, bad, ugly and pretty.  Past, present and future.   As some suggest, there might be physical reasons.  Like my body NEEDS something.  Or, it might just be an emotional thing.  But whatever.  I'm sorry if I hurt any of you.  I was just wanting to talk about it.

I miss bananas too.   ;D
  
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:31pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from tessieUK


Me too! I always ask about food, what did people have for dinner on the phone, and I love hearing about what there was at special events. At christmas time I liked looking at all the mince pies, christmas cake, flapjacks and things laid out on the table for pudding, it sort of made me feel happy :D (I'd made my own compliant dark chocolate mousse) and I kept encouraging everyone to have clotted cream with their mince pies-I used to adore clotted cream! One of my sisters pointed it out :D I also go through phases of watching loads of food documentaries. The other day I started watching one where they were making butternut squah ravioli, but then I got really annoyed about how much health destroying wheat is used by chefs in general and turned off in disgust lol. I wish there were some health concious-gluten free/paleo/blood type diet T.V chefs around. They would have such a good influence on the health of the public! I think that will come though actually, as alternative nutritional messages reach the mainstream more.  

Sorry I got a bit of the topic of this thread. But I guess I'm saying-I know it wouldn't cut it for some, but for me it's possible to enjoy avoids vicariously sometimes, and quite a harmless way of doing so :D


I totally agree about the cooking shows.  So many of them just use bad ingredients all the time.  I remember Bobby Flay say, "I'll never sacrifice taste for health".  Well, that's easy to say when you don't have bad health.  But healthy food can taste really good.  So I totally don't agree with him.  I used to watch a guy called "Nathan Lyon".  He had a show called "Lyon in the Kitchen".  And his food was rather healthy.  But yes, it would be really sweet if there was a popular, well done cooking show that was truly healthy.   But with some of them they go the other way and do things like: no butter, no fat, no meat.  Pfffffft.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 6:51pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from JJR
What if you had a car accident and ended up in the hospital.  And the only thing on the menu is, well, hospital food.  What are you gonna do, say I can't eat any of this because it's not on my BTD.  I was in the hospital for a week a couple of years ago, ate their food and survived.  I did my best.  And I had my wife bring me my chammomile tea and fresh ginger.  But I ate their fish and I can't remember what else I had.  Food.  I ate it.  I survived.  
  


God forbid, if I found myself hospitalized, I'd insist on gluten-free food, but I don't think I'd worry overly much about corn or potatoes. When Jack was hospitalized 4 years ago, I didn't yet know about BTD but I knew how much wheat hurt me, and I had a very hard time finding food to eat. I couldn't afford to be dizzy and falling apart when he needed me! It might actually be easier if I was the patient, because then I wouldn't have to get out of bed and walk to the cafeteria.
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 7:37pm; Reply: 29
Being hospitalized doesn't really scare me...my family has been told that if I were ever in the hospital they will have to cook for me and bring me food.  ;-)  I have friends that I have told that too also.   The thing that does scare me though...is that there could be corn by products in the intravenus (sp?) they give you.   I have told my hubby many times, if he is there, to make sure there isn't any corn in my lifeline. ;-)  

Debra :-)  
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 9:17pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from ruthiegirl


God forbid, if I found myself hospitalized, I'd insist on gluten-free food, but I don't think I'd worry overly much about corn or potatoes. When Jack was hospitalized 4 years ago, I didn't yet know about BTD but I knew how much wheat hurt me, and I had a very hard time finding food to eat. I couldn't afford to be dizzy and falling apart when he needed me! It might actually be easier if I was the patient, because then I wouldn't have to get out of bed and walk to the cafeteria.



I don't think I ate the bread there when I was there.  But I don't think it would do to me what it would it does to you if I did.  Grains are not that hard on me.  In fact, some grains are good.  All wheat is a black dot on my swami.  Even white flour.  

I guess we all have our areas to look out for.  No way would I expect people to cook for me if I was in the hospital.  It just wouldn't be feasible. Maybe here and there.  I think there are enough foods I can get away with that wouldn't mess with me that much.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive as I think I am.  I sure am a whole lot more than the people around me.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 11:32pm; Reply: 31
This is a fun thread.  I'm sure most of us like to talk about our cravings.
You asked what I craved.  I think the lowly potato is high on the list!
I also like fried chicken & typical veggies. The crunch of an egg roll also sounds good along with the fat it has! Thankfully, I didn't grow up on pasta, but once I got into it after I was married, it was addictive. But as the years go by(yes, years), certain cravings get less.

I don't think I had commercial pizza till I was grown, but once you try Chicago deep dish pizza, it can be addictive! I am glad I can't eat certain foods, as I would be an addict!  They say a foodaholic would be an alcoholic if they drank. I'm glad I didn't develop that habit. Of course, I can't tolerate caffeine, let alone booze.
Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 12:54am; Reply: 32
Wow. I have all kinds of food images dancing around in my head right now!!! ;D
I just posted on another thread how I was a previous bread addict.
Got to admit, it was a little risky of me to read this.. ;D...as warm croissants, chewy artisan toast, even grilled cheese sandwiches with jalapenos are making my mouth water!!! :o...... :P
OK, reality check...I am now off to grill my perfectly seasoned tilapia, make some brown rice with evoo sauteed red and yellow peppers and onions, and make a romaine, arugula, carrot, alfalfa sprout and feta salad! All compliant and yummy. ;)
And.....bake my almond butter cookies... :)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:24am; Reply: 33
this might help

;)

http://www.health.com/health/gallery/thumbnails/0,,20588763,00.html
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 3:25pm; Reply: 34
JJR, if this is your idea of a parade, have at it! But I like my "parade" to bring visions of feeling wonderful because of eating the things I know will bring that result! OF COURSE, people can eat avoids sometimes and get away with it IF their bodies are in good shape. But my wish for you is that you would feel wonderful all the time NOT eating avoids. People who are healthy and strong are not especially looking for a goal of "looking over the fence!"
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 3:27pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from PCUK-Positive


Thanks for the laugh, PC!
Posted by: 2degreespisces, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 4:20pm; Reply: 36
JJR, your post had me laughing out loud!

I so get what you're describing; those cravings for very specific foods that used to taste so insanely good at times, before we got healthy (healthier at least) and started eating right for our bodies.

There are days when all I think about is some potatoe chips with salsa dip, or a big plateful of french fries with about a bucket of mayonnaise, but until now I can control myself.

I'm hoping you've found some healthy alternatives to your cravings, I haven't found anything that adequately replaces the french fries with mayo, though ;-)
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 6:31pm; Reply: 37
Do jelly beans actually use shellac?????  Wow.  That propolyne glycol, I think that goes in some lotions too.  

Yeah, I don't think I'm craving the bad stuff.  Just food that tastes good and I don't have to make.  That stuff gives me the willies.  I never was a "candy" lover.  Too sweet.  I ate some here and there as a kid, but it was never like a love for me.  

I used to like mayo with fries too!!!!!  

I figured out another food I really miss.  Pot Pies.  We used to eat at Boston Market and I liked their food a lot at one point.  Their meatloaf.  It's all bad though.  I would imagine.  But they had really good pot pies.  I loved pot pies.  I saw a commercial and wouldn't you know it but KFC has pot pies now.  

Mrs. T, I've had that deep dish pizza.  I forget which place we went to, but we went to one of those places with the "famous" chicago pizza.  But really, I like a thin crust much better.  That's just too much dough, IMHO.  I could never eat a lot of that.  I'd rather have thinner slices and get more of the tomato sauce and pepperoni.  And have a little bit of crunch to go with it.  Not too much.  But some.  

Compliant almond butter cookies sound really good.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 8:14pm; Reply: 38
Chloe is right. The longer you stay away from something.. like wheat, the less you want it.  It contains an opiate that causes you to be addicted to it.  Now the GMO which is not even wheat is worse as far as addicting.
If you still eat any form of wheat, it will cause cravings for anything made of it.
However, I can't do anything about the chicken wings.. ;D
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:56pm; Reply: 39
KFC had pot pies years and years ago. Back when I was burning calories like a bonfire I would eat a KFC pot pie occasionally when I had been doing a lot of intense physical exercise all day....But I can feel my stomach getting queasy just thinking about what they would do to me now. Likely they were not as poisonous back then as they are now.
Posted by: Jacquie, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 11:52pm; Reply: 40
Sometimes talking about it helps. I'd jump right in there with ya but I'd probably get my head chopped off :P

We had Thanksgiving catered by Boston Market. It was tasty but the dairy from the food made me and my O husband sick. The non dairy stuff doesn't make me sick though.

I used to eat fast food a lot and crave it all the time. Now it just makes me feel dirty : / I'll start craving healthy stuff. It's weird. Well not really so weird as my body knows what it needs. The one thing that I can't stand about fast food is all the salt. You know something has too much salt when you feel like you can drink a gallon of water afterwards.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, February 7, 2013, 12:46am; Reply: 41
Quoted from Spring
KFC had pot pies years and years ago. Back when I was burning calories like a bonfire I would eat a KFC pot pie occasionally when I had been doing a lot of intense physical exercise all day....But I can feel my stomach getting queasy just thinking about what they would do to me now. Likely they were not as poisonous back then as they are now.


I just saw KFC advertising pot pies on tv yesterday and they looked soooo good. I've always loved pot pies. I really miss my Amy vegetable pot pie now...well not really...but I miss it. I don't crave it.. Odd that neither one of my sons are fans of pot pies. My O son might eat a beef pot pie once in a great while but the B boy won't eat them now since he got older.   These kids don't know what's good! lol.
As soon as I make a good GF pie dough, I'll make myself one.  :)
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:41am; Reply: 42
Quoted from 815
I just saw KFC advertising pot pies on tv yesterday and they looked soooo good. I've always loved pot pies. I really miss my Amy vegetable pot pie now...well not really...but I miss it. I don't crave it.. Odd that neither one of my sons are fans of pot pies. My O son might eat a beef pot pie once in a great while but the B boy won't eat them now since he got older.   These kids don't know what's good! lol.
As soon as I make a good GF pie dough, I'll make myself one.  :)

.....When you do, then I could make a pie too! For some reason I have not even bothered with learning new ways to make pie crusts of any type. If I want pie I just make one without a crust! It is funny but before BTD came on the scene, I was making cheesecakes with thick ground almond crusts. There is no telling how many of those things I made back then! Everybody loved them!
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 8, 2013, 9:58pm; Reply: 43
A raisin bagel, or any kind of bagel with some cream cheese would be good.  Mmmmmm....

And then there is always Pumpkin pie.  With whipped cream.  That one I was going to try over the holidays, but I never did.  
Posted by: Averno, Saturday, February 9, 2013, 1:04pm; Reply: 44

Quoted from Amazone I.
...and hey all of us do cherrish mental eroticismes likewise.....but be aware first ther's a thought...next is action ....(hehe)(hehe)(yawn)(shrug)(shhh)



I love all of these foods, in my mind. Never felt good after eating any of it.

With the exception of breads and certain grains, a lot of these foods are about the seasonings and such. Deconstruct some of these dishes and sub compliant foods. We do eat well.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, February 10, 2013, 5:17pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from JJR
A raisin bagel, or any kind of bagel with some cream cheese would be good.  Mmmmmm....

And then there is always Pumpkin pie.  With whipped cream.  That one I was going to try over the holidays, but I never did.  


If you're not supposed to have pumpkin, try making a pie with whatever kind of orange root veggies you are allowed. I've made yummy pies with butternut squash as well as sweet potatoes. I've never tried a carrot pie, but that would probably work as well. The occasional whipped cream (ingredients: organic cream, maple syrup, no weird chemicals or refined sugar) is probably OK for anybody without a dairy allergy, as there's so little milk protein in heavy cream. I eat that about once or twice a year.

Is there any kind of soft cheese you're permitted? A raisin bagel (made from rice flour) with goat cheese might be just as yummy as a wheat bagel with cream cheese.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 1:06am; Reply: 46
No, I can have pumpkin.  I was eating it straight out of the can with some nuts mixed in with it for a long time.  I stopped eating it for a bit, but I'll start it up again soon.

But yeah, the whipped cream can be OK.  I did find a brand that doesn't use carageenan.  Odly enough, it was Dean's.  But Organic Prairie uses carageenan.  It's been a long time since I've had any though.  

Goat dairy messes with me.  And cheeses, and cultured cow dairy messes with me.  Cream, butter, and milk doesn't seem to.  Although I don't eat much cream or drink much milk.  Well, I don't drink any milk.  But I order omelette's sometimes and I would imagine they use either cream or milk in them.  
Posted by: san j, Thursday, February 14, 2013, 2:48am; Reply: 47
Quoted from JJR
I totally agree about the cooking shows.  So many of them just use bad ingredients all the time.  I remember Bobby Flay say, "I'll never sacrifice taste for health".  Well, that's easy to say when you don't have bad health.  But healthy food can taste really good.  So I totally don't agree with him.  I used to watch a guy called "Nathan Lyon".  He had a show called "Lyon in the Kitchen".  And his food was rather healthy.  But yes, it would be really sweet if there was a popular, well done cooking show that was truly healthy.

I'd watch that show.
Meanwhile, the chefs making the current run of cooking shows are, for the most part, classically trained, and they do have exquisite understandings of many fine points of flavor. So while Bobby Flay won't sacrifice flavor, he can certainly teach other cooks what to aim for. As we educate ourselves as to what works best for ourselves as individuals, we can adapt his/their examples to our own needs.

It could be that the "cravings" represent (among other things) the differential between the sheer excitement of the flavor results of Flay and other master chefs, and the results the craver is getting in his or her own kitchen. So those cravings can guide you as to what to aim for.

I, for one, have found some of the dadamo participants to be quite skilled at substitutions.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 15, 2013, 9:25pm; Reply: 48
I hear ya.  Good points.  I also think that sometimes the real flavor of food is covered up and some of them don't appreciate the taste of food.  Instead always adding things for a "better flavor".  

Sweet potatoes are a perfect example.  When you roast them just right, they're sweet, full of flavor and so good.  Yet how many recipes do you see that DON'T add brown sugar or marshmallows or some other junk.  Yeah, sure they can be enhanced.  And sometimes it is a good thing.  But I'll tell you what, I just had some boiled brussel sprouts that with just a little salt and EVOO and they tasted SOOOOO GoOOOOD to me.  Yet most chefs have to add bacon or something else and I think they're missing the real taste of the food.  Which can be very good on it's own.  I did put a touch of curry powder on it too.  But not much at all.  It wasn't that much oil either.  I was tasting the brussels sprouts.  And they tasted fantastic.  Paired with some turkey as my protein and some walnuts.  It was delicious.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, February 15, 2013, 10:10pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from JJR
I also think that sometimes the real flavor of food is covered up and some of them don't appreciate the taste of food.  Instead always adding things for a "better flavor".

I think that most recipes are made to make tastes interact and become more complex combinations of flavor.  Mute the strong ones, bring out the weak flavors, mix in some spice to enhance the main flavors, add some fat to smooth the mouth feel, etc...  This is in addition to what is necessary to make the food moist enough or make the baked good have the proper consistency, etc...
Posted by: san j, Saturday, February 16, 2013, 12:33am; Reply: 50
Quoted from JJR
I hear ya.  Good points.  I also think that sometimes the real flavor of food is covered up and some of them don't appreciate the taste of food.  Instead always adding things for a "better flavor".  

Sweet potatoes are a perfect example.  When you roast them just right, they're sweet, full of flavor and so good.  Yet how many recipes do you see that DON'T add brown sugar or marshmallows or some other junk.  Yeah, sure they can be enhanced.  And sometimes it is a good thing.  But I'll tell you what, I just had some boiled brussel sprouts that with just a little salt and EVOO and they tasted SOOOOO GoOOOOD to me.  Yet most chefs have to add bacon or something else and I think they're missing the real taste of the food.  Which can be very good on it's own.  I did put a touch of curry powder on it too.  But not much at all.  It wasn't that much oil either.  I was tasting the brussels sprouts.  And they tasted fantastic.  Paired with some turkey as my protein and some walnuts.  It was delicious.  


JJR: I've been meditating on this post of yours almost since it went up. And what occurs to me is that you are presenting a concept for a cooking show that may be sorely needed - I don't know. This notion of intrinsic flavor: How to bring it out.
A simple, back-to-basics program that tells, for example, the difference in a potato's flavor-profile that will be accentuated by evoo vs. butter. How to bring out the very best in the best brussels sprouts, etc.
I think that, to some extent, there are programs already doing this, if you listen to the chef's "banter" as s/he cooks, saying "At home, frankly, I just add a touch of salt and grind some pepper over it," or some such.
So there are shows for "What To Serve At Your Dinner Party", and there are shows with the sort of objective you're describing - I'm thinking of the 2 episodes I saw of Alton Brown's show ("Good Eats"?) - One was roast chicken. He just tells everything about roasting a chicken and why - scientifically, flavor-wise, time-wise, equipment-wise, etc.
Generally speaking, people are learning that ingredients do carry their own inherent flavors, and that the selection of these ingredients and their provenance are the essential foundation of any dish using them. We learn it even from shows that feature fine dining/complicated dishes and menus, too.

The foods you are "craving" are not necessarily the simple sorts of dishes, however, that you now advocate for. Someone had to come up with the concept of cole slaw, rather than plain steamed cabbage leaves, for instance, and I for one am glad for that - I don't have to reinvent every wheel.

Posted by: JJR, Sunday, February 17, 2013, 11:27pm; Reply: 51
Yeah, maybe the cravings are because I want more flavor.  I have been very light handed with my spices lately.  I used to use a lot more and would view them mostly medicinally and what they do.  And flavor secondarily.  But some of the things that I had been eating regularly seemed to start messing with  me.  Garlic and Ginger being the biggies.  I THINK paprika too, and I quit that for a while.  So I think I've been gunshy with my spices lately.  I still use quite a few of them.  But like I said, in very small amounts.  

So yes, I do miss classic flavors.  Flavors that are good.  But I also do know that in some restaurants, the taste of the food is lost on all the other stuff.  But yeah, in fine dining, I would imagine the goal is to make the utmost of a dish.  Including the flavor of the food.  As Joe is saying.  I agree.   But I do think there are times when people just cover up the flavor of the food and not really appreciate for what it is.  I keep going back to potatoes, but when I cut up some potatoes, and roast them with just olive oil.  even without salt I'll eat them and be like, OH MAN THAT's GOOD.  Yet most people will cover it with cheese, or bacon or whatever.  Which is good, and variety is good.  Yet sometimes the flavor of the food itself is really really good, and you would never know it until you strip it down to it's core.  

I made some grass fed beef last night and I didn't add any salt or any spices.  I was going to, but then I didn't.  I got busy doing something else and had it in the oven before I realized I didn't put it on.  Well, I ate it and I was like, you know, even on it's own it's very tasty.  Sure, it might taste different or maybe even better with something to help it along.  But even my wife said, "You know, you can really taste the difference between just regular beef and organic".  Because it was just really tasty.  She did however, use ketchup on some of it.  Hehhahahahe.  I didn't.  I would if I didn't think it would mess with me.  Because I like ketchup.  

That just reminded me.  My Grandma used to give us noodles and ketchup to eat sometimes.  LOL.  I liked it quite a bit.  
Posted by: san j, Monday, February 18, 2013, 2:27am; Reply: 52
I know what you mean about potatoes. For years I hardly ate them at all.
But I love when you can really get that potato-ey flavor, so I currently include them more (they're not an avoid for me).

The problem with so much restaurant food is:.................too much salt.

But yeah, just figure out how to build-in the flavors you sometimes crave.
And choose your Avoids, like Peter D'Adamo does: Decide when/where/what you're going to indulge in, whether it's Fried chicken wings every year at the Super Bowl Party or something else.

If you really love, I dunno, tomatoes, decide that every August you get to have one mixed heirloom organic tomato salad, and sample them all at their absolute peak.

In the early days of my BTD practice in the 1990's, I had had a regular Dungeness crab lunch - it was an apr├Ęs-tennis tradition for me - at a really fine seafood bar. But as I got deeper into the diet, I cut back to where I allowed myself to sample each YEAR's catch,  once, in peak-season, and eventually I simply lost my taste for crab. I'd realize I hadn't had crab in a couple of years!

When my A brother was first learning this diet 8 years ago, he didn't know if he'd be able to do without a good steak, so, at the beginning, we decided he'd have one really superb prime steak per month for awhile. He'd look forward to it, rather than take it for granted.
Now he's vegan and doesn't miss beef, has no trouble doing without it. He'd rather have tofu!

In other words, since you have such a refined appreciation of pure natural flavors, give yourself treats of these tastes in the healthiest ways you can, every once in awhile, rather than randomly....if that method works for you. Eventually you'll probably move on to other tastes, etc.

Be happy. God gives foods not just to sustain life but to support merriment and pleasure. All enjoyment of food isn't Gluttony. I have been known to wax rhapsodic over a half-grapefruit in winter, or a perfect Pluot plum in summer. Is milk or honey essential for life? No - many aren't even supposed to eat them, yet apparently the description of Canaan as a land flowing with milk and honey was a huge draw, encouraging exhausted crowds to persevere in their journeys through difficult desert conditions for 40 years. Do you crave figs or wine or olive oil? Many an Israelite hoped to own his own sources for these - and not just to sell them but to enjoy them.
Thank you so much for sharing your ideas and challenges with us, JJR, keeping us thinking, considering, growing.  :)
Posted by: yvonneb, Monday, February 18, 2013, 2:14pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from JJR
I miss a good chinese dish.  Like beef and broccoli over white rice in all that goopy goodness.  

Comfort food for the winter I guess.  


Arrowroot.
1 Tablespoon arrowroot powder stirred together with a little cold water, add to your turkeyjuice and season- easy peasy. Chinese sauces are thickened with arrowroot. Enjoy!

As for the rest...I find that my tastebuds have definitely changed.
This sounds gross now...when my partner eats something I used to eat and I want it, I get him to haw at me. Most of the time that's enough to remind me that I genuinely don't like it any more. Doesn't help to kill the memories though :)

Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 18, 2013, 7:20pm; Reply: 54
Well put San J.  I know what you mean about the right fruit at the right time.  I usually thank God for his goodness and provision.  I need to remember to do that too, even when the meal doesn't grab you like that.  Hehahehae.  

Honey is a diamond for me.  But frequency is a teaspoon or less a day.  I eat about teaspoon and a half a day in my grain at night.  I used to avoid sugars so much, because they made me feel lousy.  But now I feel like that honey is good for me.  Honey has a lot of things going for it.  And if there is one sugar that the Bible talks about eating, it's honey.  Proverbs talks about it a few times.  It does warn us to not eat too much tough.   ;)

Proverbs 24:13 (ESV)

My son, eat honey, for it is good, and the drippings of the honeycomb are sweet to your taste.
Proverbs 25:16 (ESV)

If you have found honey, eat only enough for you, lest you have your fill of it and vomit it.
Proverbs 25:27 (ESV)

It is not good to eat much honey, nor is it glorious to seek one's own glory


As far as milk goes, I have no dog in that hunt.  I know some people say it's not good.  I don't really drink it.  But I will say this, all cultured dairy makes me feel awful right now.  But milk has never really bothered me.  I don't drink it, but like I said, it's in the eggs I get sometimes.  And the few times I've eaten cream or drank a little bit of milk or used it, I was fine.  I keep wanting to use it in cooking.  But haven't yet.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, February 18, 2013, 7:52pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from JJR
And then there is always Pumpkin pie.  With whipped cream.  That one I was going to try over the holidays, but I never did.  


My family's favorite pie is pumpkin. My mother used to make a couple for Thanksgiving, now I make them for almost every holiday!
Posted by: san j, Monday, February 18, 2013, 8:06pm; Reply: 56
Re: Honey.
It's what the Ayurvedes call a "sattvic" food.
How do I put it? High, ambrosial vibration food. Heavenly frequencies,
Amadea Morningstar writes, they "purify the body and calm the mind. They are fresh, pure foods. Pure milks, ghee and asparagus are some examples."

Y'know why I mention it to you, JJR?
Because you have a problem with onions and garlic, which you "should" be able to eat, according to D'Adamo, but which are either "rajasic" or "tamasic" in Ayurveda (depending upon whom you ask and when!). Rajas is a lower vibration. These "stimulate the body and mind to action." Even lower are the "tamasic" foods, which the purist Ayurvedes consider "avoids" but which many of us need, such as most meats and cheeses.
As for milk and yogurt, Ayurveda considers really fresh products sattvic. As they age, they go rajasic. It's possible that the milk you're drinking, due to its processing, is in a fresher state than the yogurt you're eating. If you'd like to re-acclimate to yogurt, the idea is: Make sure it's super-fresh, as in homemade. If you make your own yogurt, you might find that you can now tolerate it...and that the Ayurvedes do have a clue.  ;)

The only reason I mention it is that you might look up "sattvic" foods and see which of your bennies and neutrals are on that list, and really highlight them.
Note: Almost all fruits and vegetables are sattvic. Notably, nightshades and lemons/limes are not, but Ayurvedes do use these foods, as they do meats and fish, but they balance them with sattvic ones.

Not that you need more restrictions, but this is just an idea that might help you work differently with tastes.

If you do explore Ayurveda, it is my personal belief that Indian cuisine is the best foil, or canvas, for learning and exploiting it. I believe this for a few reasons, but this is just a little reference for you, in case you're interested.

Carry on.  :)
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 8:54pm; Reply: 57
It's a probiotic issue with me.  My detox symptoms are hair trigger and highly inflammatory.  So anything with with probiotics is hard on me.  It's probably good, but hard.  So I took a break from them for a while.  When I made my own kefir, it was even worse.  More powerful I guess.  
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