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Posted by: balletomane, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 2:41pm
Hi guys,
I just stumbled across a site that tries to debunk the "myth" about Yerba Mate not containing caffeine. Please have a look and let me know what you think:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/yerba_mate/yerba_mate_chemistry1.shtml

I have been drinking mate faithfully every day for a couple of years ever since I gave up coffee. Now this article is saying I've actually been taking caffeine, which I should strictly avoid? WT....!!!!  ::) >:(
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 2:56pm; Reply: 1
I always thought it had caffeine in it.
Posted by: Averno, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 2:58pm; Reply: 2

This seems true enough to me, but there are so many modifying factors that could indeed result in a gentler stimulant as my bottle of extract suggests. It could also just be a lower level of stimulant. I do get a boost from it, while coffee just irritates my nervous system.
Posted by: prunella, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:16pm; Reply: 3
I remember reading (somewhere?) that the caffeine in mate is a different type, as in chemically different than that in coffee. It feels different to me,. Less buzzy than coffee or than green tea.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:19pm; Reply: 4
I have coffee and black tea as "avoids" while yerba mate and cocoa are beneficial and green tea is a diamond. Clearly, the caffeine isn't the problem with coffee or black tea.

Where did you get the idea that you should strictly avoid caffeine?
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:43pm; Reply: 5
It is not the caffeine we are not supposed to have.. It is the Coffee Beans that are not good for us.. In fact we are advised to drink the caffeine in the green tea to help weaning us off the caffeine in coffee..




Posted by: prunella, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:51pm; Reply: 6
Likewise, homeopathy recommends against coffee of any type. It's not the caffeine, but something else in it can antidote many of the remedies.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 6:31pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from balletomane
Now this article is saying I've actually been taking caffeine, which I should strictly avoid? WT....!!!!  ::) >:(


Do you really mean that you are supposed to strictly avoid caffeine?  Sometimes people say that, but really mean to say "strictly avoid coffee".  Coffee is an avoid for many people for different reasons than caffeine.  Most of us thrive on green tea, many of us thrive on Mate, but not many of us thrive on coffee.  
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:43pm; Reply: 8
mateine
way different!!  at least my body tells me so :)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 4, 2013, 12:46am; Reply: 9
its NOT the caff-eine.. its the Beans,,

.....eine.. in any other form like green tea is OK..
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 4, 2013, 1:26am; Reply: 10
Yerba Mate makes me too hyper. It used to be a super for me, but now it is a neutral. I do not like the way I feel after drinking it - so I don't.  :P
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, February 4, 2013, 3:10am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Spring
Yerba Mate makes me too hyper. It used to be a super for me, but now it is a neutral. I do not like the way I feel after drinking it - so I don't.  :P


Spring, must be the Explorer in us. I can't drink it either and it's a genoharmonic for many foods for me. Shortly after I drink it, I feel very jittery, my heart is not pounding, but there is a very uneasy vibration that goes on in my chest. My Hunter husband does just fine with it. Green tea with matcha powder for me can be drunk before bed and I'll sleep! It all boils down to individuality doesn't it, even amongst the same genotypes. I would assume that not all Explorers have this reaction, but who knows?  :)
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, February 4, 2013, 3:20am; Reply: 12
Hi guys,
I understand it is not about the caffeine but the beans, etc.... but, I got the idea from somewhere that for those who have uterine fibroids, caffeine of any form should be avoided. However, the source could just have made a mistake... as obviously green tea is so good for me ;-) I also feel good after Yerba Mate. So hopefully I can continue to drink it  ;D
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, February 4, 2013, 4:08am; Reply: 13
I bought some yerba mate teabags, felt sick as the tea bags contained stevia!!  Doesn't caffeine weaken bones/teeth - some interaction to do with losing calcium from bones?
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, February 4, 2013, 1:27pm; Reply: 14
There seems to be a lot of debate about what yerba mate actually does have.  I have read that it's not caffeine, it's mateine....but all I can say for sure is that it doesn't make me feel like caffeine makes me feel.  My body processes it differently.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, February 4, 2013, 2:12pm; Reply: 15
I don't think it matters much whether it's "mateine and not caffeine" or "It contains caffeine plus theobromine and theophylline which change how the body reacts to the caffeine." The fact is that yerba mate reacts differently in the body than coffee, black tea, or green tea.

Some people have bad reactions to coffee but are fine with yerba mate. Some people are the inverse (can't tolerate mate.) Some people can't handle any caffeine or caffeine-like substance at all. Many of us do fine on yerba mate but not on coffee.

It all boils down to individuality. How do you react to drinking yerba mate? You get jittery or it messes up blood sugar control? OK then, don't drink it. You feel energized? Then drink it! You feel the same before and after drinking it? Then drink it if you want to, and skip it if you're not in the mood or don't enjoy it.

Balletomane- I suggest you do some more research on the "caffeine and uterine fibroids" connection. It could have been a "coffee and fibroids" connection, which would make green tea and yerba mate acceptable. However, if there IS a connection between any form of caffeine intake and fibroids, then you might need to avoid yerba mate, even if SWAMI considers it to be a diamond. I haven't personally done the research on this topic.
Posted by: Jane, Monday, February 4, 2013, 6:50pm; Reply: 16
I'm OK with a little Mate but if I drink too much I get what feels like flutters in my checst.  I occasionally have the Republic of Tea Double Dark Chocolate Mate but only one cup.  

I have no problems with green tea or red tea or for that matter coffee.  My understanding from years ago on this board that the issue with coffee for many people is it's acidic nature.  I very very rarely have any but even black coffee doesn't seem to bother me.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, February 4, 2013, 10:46pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Jane
My understanding from years ago on this board that the issue with coffee for many people is it's acidic nature.


This may be a part of the reason for how it is rated, but it isn't the entire reason.  If that were true, Dr. D would have rated cold water extract coffee differently than just 'coffee'.  (which he didn't do)  ;)
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, May 31, 2014, 3:52pm; Reply: 18
Yerba mate has caffeine, but I have read it is even lower than some green teas.    Coffee in the same amount gives a lot more caffeine.  But yerba packs a more focused energy rush for me that is less jittery and more concentrated.  My attention was like a laser.  Unfortunately so far it stays on and I don't fall asleep if I drink it too late.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, May 31, 2014, 6:30pm; Reply: 19
Aside:

Just clicked on this thread and noticed that 11 of the 14 participants are non-secretors.
(1) Is Maté recommended mostly for you nonnies?
(2) Is this Forum particularly nonnie-heavy?
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, May 31, 2014, 9:07pm; Reply: 20
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=66691

here is an article by Doc. D maybe it will have some answers for you.
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, May 31, 2014, 9:54pm; Reply: 21
Charles Darwin suffered anxiety and insomnia, and he wrote on his voyage that he drank a lot of yerba mate one evening and had the best sleep of his life.  Guess he wasn't a real explorer :P!  Just messin I have great respect for his quest into the unknown and his brilliance.  
Posted by: battle dwarf, Sunday, June 1, 2014, 7:20pm; Reply: 22
ok, the tea guru has arrived. I think the reason coffee is an avoid will depend on many factors. for explorers do not handle carcinogens from fire roasted foods or char grill well. it was the reason my swami gave for avoiding both coffee and black tea.  
yerba mate' , the herb from south America has caffeine at a rate of about 100mg per cup (between coffee and black tea)
black tea is fermented, dried, and then fire roasted. green is fermented and dried without roasting and therefor has no carcinogens attached to it and less caffeine.
white tea has the least amount of caffeine and is simply dried without any other processing.
jane mentioned red tea (rooibos), this is another herb but from Africa and has no caffeine at all. it is lightly roasted and I personally did not care for it though I have wanted to try the green variety of it.
while tea, coffee, and yerba all have caffeine the coffee bean itself carries a different sort of caffeine that is harder on the system. but like the difference between the fat of cow milk vs. goat milk. it is still fat but is processed by the body (or not handled) differently from each other. hope this helps :)
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