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Posted by: Loops, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 2:20pm
Hello -

so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs, I found myself attempting to breastfeed (which hasn't worked out as I have hypoplastic breasts but I still give the little milk I have) and gaining weight...and the weight gain hasn't stopped.  I am now 3 and half months post partum and still gaining weight, I am very depressed about this.

I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.  I was even thinking of going back to low carb high fat to stop the weight gain - but I know I wasn't happy long term doing that plan, and it involved a lot of stuff like cream which isn't even on my Swami list.

Please help!

Thanks

Loops
Posted by: ProudVEGANWarrior, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 2:44pm; Reply: 1
I did the same thing after my pregnancy - but wasn't exactly following any diet. I am a Warrior so to start loosing weigth I ate a lot more of the live foods - fruits and veggies - mostly veggies - that really helped me and then I went vegan - animal protiens are mostly an avoid for me anyways - except fish - at the time I was concerned about mercury and contamination from the nuclear waste from the tsunami in Japan - so I didn't want to eat fish at all. It really made a huge difference. I lost about 80 pounds, came off my diabetic meds and blood pressure meds ( for the diabetes - my doctor was worried about my kidneys). The only meds I am on now is for my thyriod, which I hope to come off at the end of this month - fingers crossed. Being an O nonnie, I don't know if this will work for you, you may want to try the other direction and eat mostly grass fed, free range protien. If you are eating white rice - you may want to switch to brown or basmati. I am not as familiar with the O diet - as I am an A nonnie - warrior.  I would stick with the swami - it is more customized to you. Have you updated your profile with your new weight? When I update with my losses it does tweek the diet and I had some major changes when I was no longer diabetic. I hope this helps at least a little bit  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 2:54pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Loops
Hello -

so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs, I found myself attempting to breastfeed (which hasn't worked out as I have hypoplastic breasts but I still give the little milk I have) and gaining weight...and the weight gain hasn't stopped.  I am now 3 and half months post partum and still gaining weight, I am very depressed about this.

I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.  I was even thinking of going back to low carb high fat to stop the weight gain - but I know I wasn't happy long term doing that plan, and it involved a lot of stuff like cream which isn't even on my Swami list.

Please help!

Thanks

Loops


This is my personal opinion but just for right now, I'd go back to the diet that worked for you....to stop the weight gain and hopefully precipitate weight loss.  If the BTD for O worked, try it for the next week...see if you drop any weight. If so, I'm thinking the grains are the problem and not something that helps you with weight loss.... and you might do better on the O diet than your SWAMI.  

After a week, you can see if you're doing better or not.  Are you getting any exercise?  Drinking
enough water?

Did you get more fat on the O diet than you SWAMI?  You might be someone who does better
on higher fat, higher protein than higher carbs like rice.  I'm not an O but if I ate rice every
day, I could easily gain weight.  My Warrior husband doesn't gain weight on brown rice...I don't
do very well on grains at all.  Maybe you don't either.

BTW, what is your genotype?


Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 4:46pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Loops
I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.

A few ideas to ponder:

First, the limited fat may be because it is expecting you to get most of your fats from meat and fish.

The frequencies in SWAMI are guidelines, but you can vary it to try to be healthier...  There may be that amount of carbohydrate in your diet to allow for the exercise recommendation, but if you aren't as active, then you need to cut back some...

Are you eating any black dot foods?  If so, you may need to cut these out to get back to your goal...
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 5:08pm; Reply: 4
Get your thyroid checked.
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 5:18pm; Reply: 5
so I am an explorer.  The genotype explorer diet is terrible as I can hardly find any of the foods here in Chile.  The Swami was a bit better, but yes, I was eating more rice and beans as they are supposed to be superfoods for me.  I guess I was eating more things like nuts and butter and as always lots of fruit on the O diet and was a bit wary of rice as I was just coming off of a low carb paleo diet which I hated by the way - not enough carbs for me to function properly long term.  Before that I was doing low carb high fat with loads of dairy and that was not good either - actually it worked really great for 2 years and then I started gaining weight, so shifted to paleo, then found the blood type diet and thought that sounded much better with more carbs!

So maybe I will go back to doing BTD without the rice or any grains (rice was the only one I was eating).  I was eating both brown and white rice as both were superfoods.  I was eating sweet potato on the btd and that wasn't a problem, so maybe it isn't carbs per se.  I don't think I can do low carb anymore, at least not without dairy.  It really messed up my metabolism after awhile.  But I am tired of gaining weight POST partum when everybody told me I would lose!  Fat chance!
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 5:20pm; Reply: 6
yes my thyroid checked out fine.
Posted by: DoS, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 7:15pm; Reply: 7
How much rice do you eat at a time? If you are doing the 1/2 cup uncooked, switch to 1/4 uncooked and consider 2 meals a day with it sometimes 3.

Here is the big question though, are you exercising hard like you want to go to the Olympics? If you aren't drenching yourself in sweat, you aren't doing your O self right.

Pregnancy is bound to load your system up with some toxins, sweat em out.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 7:41pm; Reply: 8
Rice does me in every time... And if I'm not getting exercise I cant lose either!! Hope it is just 2 simple things & you get back on track ;)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 9:53pm; Reply: 9
Portion size for carbohydrates may be very small in SWAMI (often it is the equivalent of a single slice of bread).

If SWAMI is giving you too much/too little food adjust it:

Category Portion Size and Frequency:
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 10:05pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Loops
I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?


On the blood type diet, O nonsecretors are only allowed 3-5 tablespoons of oil per week.

(This may be different when lactating, I do not have the baby book)




Since some studies indicate that arachidonic acid and other fats are important for proper brain development in infants. I would probably include more than 3-5 tablespoons per week of oils rich in Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet while nursing. But that is me and not in the blood type books that I have (but as I said above I do not have the baby book).
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 10:12pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Loops
so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs


If you did your measurements while pregnant, it might be a good idea to check them when not.

Posted by: Loops, Saturday, January 5, 2013, 11:48pm; Reply: 12
I did my measurements before I was pregnant.  I am definitely an explorer.

Well I just ate some parmesan cheese which is a diamond for me and yup, still reacting to dairy and not in a good fashion.  I am afraid I am going back to what works - btd with no restrictions on fat or fruit.  I am totally against calorie restriction of any sort - I firmly believe that is the worst thing one can do for long term health- I was under the impression that one should eat to satisfaction of beneficial foods.  

I am exercising but not loads - I do have a new baby to look after.  I have to say the more advice I see, it seems to go along the lines of exercise more and eat less....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 12:05am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Loops
I have to say the more advice I see, it seems to go along the lines of exercise more and eat less....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???

The biggest help from this lifestyle information is to eliminate the toxins for your specific body.  There is always a certain amount of discipline involved in eating and exercising the proper amounts, however, to maintain a healthy body.  

It is possible that your body is going through significant changes (hormonal and otherwise) as it transitions from Standard diet to BTD to SWAMI as well as non-pregnant to pregnant to nursing...  
I don't know that any of us has the perfect answer, as most are other dieters just trying to provide the best help we can...
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 2:32am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Loops
....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???


I would say you are crazy if you believe that. But I would give credit that any of the diet plans don't speak towards abnormal amounts of calories.

Lowering carbohydrates doesn't mean having way lower calories. You could still eat enough protein to compensate and beyond, calorie wise. But what you are doing is lower blood sugar levels a little bit to get the body back onto better control, better insulin reception, and burn a little fat.



Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 2:50am; Reply: 15
Loops...doesn't the BTD for O list portions?  I don't remember that diet having unlimited amounts of
fat or fruit....but I suggest you follow Csharp's advice and adjust your portions of grains on your
SWAMI and see if that works for you...

I agree that you're still probably dealing with toxicity and old lectin damage...I know personally I
couldn't tolerate any diamond cheeses when I began my SWAMI.  It's taken me a very long while
to tolerate soy without negative reactions...(aches and pains) and no longer do I get a stuffy nose
and bloat from eating manchego cheese.

SWAMI is not a calorie diet per say...although I'm pretty sure SWAMI computes a specific amount of calories it gives you based on your size and what it believes it would take to achieve weight loss.  Without enough exercise after giving birth, your metabolic rate is going to stay sluggish.
Moving helps to circulate lymph....and the lymphatics have no pump of their own...gotta move
those legs....which eventually will help your body dump toxicity.  I use a rebounder...bouncing..
a few minutes at a time....good for lymphatic circulation....easy to enjoy moving, with a simple
exercise you can do right at home...even with a baby....

If you're hungry, eat as many vegetables as your SWAMI gives you...and try to get your blood
sugar under control...Often eating more fiber helps me feel full....beans, root vegetables....
berries....There are ways to eat a lot of food without going hungry....without feeling deprived...

Study every food group on your SWAMI....sometimes the addition of seeds like flax.....if you're allowed flax... I always add them to baked goods and baking with almond flour instead of grain flour gives me the sense that I'm eating like a completely normal person without ever feeling deprived.  I know you're busy with a new baby...but the recipe section of this website has loads of recipes... and SWAMI should give you a menu plan as well.

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 5:01am; Reply: 16
There are a lot of us (of different blood types and genotypes) who gain weight on grains.  This is one example which shows that just because your SWAMI calls something a Diamond or a Superfood, that doesn't mean it's telling you that you have to eat it.  

I know I need plenty of good quality carbs that are compliant with my diet, but I prefer to get most of them from vegetable sources.  I'm not completely grain-free, but I eat only a small serving daily.  It seems to be working very well in my case.
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 2:20pm; Reply: 17
thanks.

I don't know what is meant by the Standard diet??  I am English and live in Chile.  I have never eaten badly - no junk food etc but I most certainly have battled with weight and eating problems in my past.  I haven't eaten gluten in about 7 years!  I was low carb gluten free for years before coming here - no corn or other grains etc so I  really am not dealing with lectin damage.  I was dairy free for another couple of years whilst doing low carb - low as in no fruit or sweet potato or rice etc.  I found originally that trying to restrict calories made me gain weight in the long term, and led to feeling like c**p.  When I first went low carb high fat I ate as much as I wanted and got my metabolism right back - but I was eating a lot of heavy cream and cheese.  The cheese got me in the end - cream doesn't seem to cause me problems.

Recently I was thinking of going back to a low carb high fat diet - but with breastfeeding I don't want to risk losing the little milk I have - as I would have to readapt to burning fat instead of sugar and there is an initial period where the body is not good at doing this and breastmilk might suffer.

So still unsure what to do.  It seems the blood type diet worked well, and so did Swami for a bit, but now it just doesn't, and I keep gaining weight.  I am exercising doing swimming and long walks on the beach with my baby - I don't think that is really a problem.  For me it always comes down to diet - what am I eating that is causing the problem.  Is it still all about carbs in the end?  I had thought not when I first came to the BTD and was losing weight eating a lot of fruit (and meat/veg/fat).  Maybe it is just all down to hormones and is all out of my control, which is pretty depressing.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, January 6, 2013, 2:56pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Loops
thanks.
I first went low carb high fat I ate as much as I wanted and got my metabolism right back - but I was eating a lot of heavy cream and cheese.  The cheese got me in the end - cream doesn't seem to cause me problems..


My son is an O and a Hunter I believe. He never did well on cow dairy. I raised him on soy milk and then switched him to almond milk because Dr. D said O's do better on almond milk then soy.
Posted by: koahiatamadl, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:01pm; Reply: 19
Not sure what BTD book you have available but in LR there are portion and frequency recommendations for all food groups.  And the only thing that is completely unlimited is beneficial vegetables.  Everything else has portion and frequency recommendations, including beneficial fruit.  There isn generally a range and where in the range you are varies for everybody.  But in general the portion and frequency guidelines give you an excellent starting point.  If you're looking to return to BTD and to tweak things look at these portion and frequency guidelines.  
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:33pm; Reply: 20
see that is what I don't get - so I am allowed 3 portions of fruit a day, practically no added fat, small amounts of meat and loads of veggies....that is a VERY low calorie diet.  I am just not doing that.  If a diet is good, you shouldn't have to control portions - portion control is just another name for calorie restriction.  Calorie restriction is not healthy.  Full stop.  So I guess I don't believe in a diet that depends on portion control to be healthy.  My body knows how many calories it needs - going against that just leads to more weight gain.

Thanks for trying to help anyway.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 5:05pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Loops
see that is what I don't get - so I am allowed 3 portions of fruit a day, practically no added fat, small amounts of meat and loads of veggies....that is a VERY low calorie diet.  I am just not doing that.  If a diet is good, you shouldn't have to control portions - portion control is just another name for calorie restriction.  Calorie restriction is not healthy.  Full stop.  So I guess I don't believe in a diet that depends on portion control to be healthy.  My body knows how many calories it needs - going against that just leads to more weight gain.

Thanks for trying to help anyway.


Loops, read about the role of insulin....and try to understand why it would be unrealistic for an
overweight person to eat unlimited portions of carbohydrates...Your meat and vegetables would not
be as much of an issue, portion-wise as much as unlimited portions of fruits and grains.

Blood type O wasn't designed to process unlimited carbs..You want to try and avoid diabetes...
not overwork your pancreas with unlimited sugars.

Calories aren't the issue....sugars/carbs, insulin production is!

http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/diabetes-causes



Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 5:10pm; Reply: 22
ever thought of resetting and clearing your insulin receptors by means of periodical liver cleanses??

those helped me enormously when I found myself stuck in a never budging plateau
Posted by: lann1958, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:04pm; Reply: 23
im not post partum by any means but was gaining weight, my hormones were very out of whack,  as im getting them back into balance i  am dropping weight easily. so it may just be the flucuations of your hormones.also exercise is important , no matter what program your doing but as a new mom i understand you arent able to exercise all the time. just listen to your body. i  have read lots of posts on here about swami, some of them talking about how they arent doing well with it, i personally am not getting a swami due to all the posts on this forum about the confusion that they hae with it. and by the way, the comment about if your not sweating your but off your not exercising enough is not correct. some of us do not sweat hardly at all no nmatter what we do. didnt mean to rattle on, hope this helps
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:34pm; Reply: 24
so yes the whole point about insulin I thought was that beneficial fruits actually help to regulate it despite the sugars.  Wheat really screws up insulin - that I understand.  And why was I dropping weight before eating loads of fruit, and now gaining - that is what is really odd.

I really think dairy screws me up.  I am so bloated today after eating parmesan yesterday and I ache all over.  That is usual for me and dairy these days.  Pineapple and watermelon never bloat me up!  I think I will definitely just try to follow a very basic O diet with beneficial fruits and vegetables along with all my meats and fish and see what happens.  No grains for now.  I don't think I can go back to full on low carb anymore - I get very tired on it and burn out fast.  Plus I didn't lose weight and was actually gaining in the end - this I actually put down to too little carbs and too much stuff like pork.  I still want to believe the blood type diet is the answer - it was before so why shouldn't it be again.  But my Swami - well right now it is just not working out at all.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:57pm; Reply: 25
Good luck Loops...:)  Please keep posting and share your progress.  Try to focus on your beneficials...
and maybe just watch your portions of fruit. Beef instead of pork...Pork is a toxin for all blood types.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?43

"Loads" of any food group isn't the way to go....I think you can do this if you stick to the plan!  You
can always worry about SWAMI later on.....I know you'd feel better if you saw some results....and the O
diet plan generally works well for weight loss.  I know many O people who are thrilled with their outcome.....having followed the diet straight out of the book...

If you're interested in the Liver Support protocol....you might want to try it for a month....it will help
get your body in the right direction again...help you detox.

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html

Wishing you the best!!! :)
  
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 8:50pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Loops
I don't know what is meant by the Standard diet??

When I use this term, I mean eating foods without regard to the damaging components (lectins, etc.) for your type, that Dr. D. warns us about.
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 11:44pm; Reply: 27
oh ok I see...

thanks Chloe yes I will keep updated.  I already feel better today eating mostly beneficials.  I will give it awhile before hoping for any weight loss too.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 7, 2013, 4:34am; Reply: 28
are you into any type of exercise?
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, January 7, 2013, 4:41am; Reply: 29
I say eat enough veg, ie greens mostly; excercise helps.  Good carbs from vegetables, a little fruit first thing in morning.  Good quality lean proteins, but we do need fats too for hormones to work well and for general health.  Olive oil...... ghee.......regular routine and meals at same time every day. rest too. also, have some plums, passionfruit, paw paw, berries.
Posted by: Loops, Monday, January 7, 2013, 12:48pm; Reply: 30
yes I did say I do swimming and walking.  I used to play tennis but can't schedule a training session due to breastfeeding - needing to be there all the time.
Posted by: ProudVEGANWarrior, Monday, January 7, 2013, 4:38pm; Reply: 31
You mentioned you had a reaction to eating cheese - maybe you are lactose intolerant - if you try checking that  box - it is time locked - so you have to call to have it changed - they will do it - I thougth I was lactose intolerant - then found out - it wasn't the cheese causing the probem - anyway they are more than  happy to help you. That may change quite a bit of your swami - the change made huge differences for me. I was so happy when I found out I wasn't lacose intolerant because the warrior diet fits me to a T - while I wasn't happy being an explorer - little things can make all the difference. Just an idea - hope it helps :)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 7, 2013, 5:28pm; Reply: 32
As for me, the cheese issue was the source of the cheese -- cow's cheese....Pasteurized cheese from non grass fed animals gave me major problems...Raw cheese from pasture fed sheep doesn't bother me.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 1:37pm; Reply: 33
Not so sure that losing weight while breast feeding is great idea. :-/

The body releases toxins from the cells when we lose weight.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 2:40pm; Reply: 34
You say that you're not losing weight on SWAMI, and also that you're hungry all the time. Maybe you should try to increase your fat servings and see if that leaves you more satisfied- perhaps that will allow you to decrease grains and fruits and lose the weight. Also, bear in mind that you'll need more calories if you're still making breastmilk, and SWAMI won't account for that.

I find that I personally need a lot more fat than SWAMI recommends. I aim to follow the portion sizes for protein, fruit, sweeteners, and grains, but I don't worry if I  go over on veggies (even starchy veggies)  and I basically ignore the fat portions completely. I've tried to follow that 100%, and felt weak and hungry after about 2 days. It clearly wasn't enough food for me.

If I had the SWAMI Xpress, I'd play around with the portion settings, but since I have SWAMI pro, I can't  fiddle with anything myself. I'll get my SWAMI updated if I have a change in medical condition (such as entering menopause) but not to play around with the settings. I tweak the portion sizes as needed, although I am strict about the food lists.

Loops- I'd suggest that you keep up with the SWAMI food lists, eliminating any foods (such as dairy) that you do poorly on. Stop limiting added fats- don't worry about portion sizes at all while nursing except to make sure you're eating enough of each food group. The only exception is grains right now- try cutting way back on rice portions, along with increasing fats and proteins, and see how that works for you. If you do well on fruit, eat plenty of that too.
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 5:01pm; Reply: 35
thanks.

I am actually casein intolerant, not lactose intolerant.  I had a test done for that awhile back via Enterolab - they test your fecal matter!  It is supposed to be quite reliable.  It is not clear if it is just cow casein I am intolerant to, or goat and sheep as well.  Anyway Swami doesn't have an option for casein intolerance...so it is a mystery as to how I interpret that.

I can safely say though that after eating dairy for a bit, I have to go through the most horrendous withdrawal coming off it.  We are talking crying spells, irritability, fatigue, boils, the works.  This week I am feeling terrible having once more ditched the stuff and sticking to O nonnie BTD foods.

Well so I am giving this a week longer without dairy, and really going back to the original BTD beneficials which worked for me before (and which now are mostly neutrals according to Swami) - stuff like bananas, walnuts, plums, lots of red meat, olive oil, broccoli etc.  We will see what happens.  It is not so much losing weight right now as STOPPING THE GAIN!   I am not breastfeeding much anyway - I never had much of a supply to start with despite doing everything right and now my baby is beginning to refuse the breast as well.  I am pumping what I can which is very little.  Having IGT means I don't have enough milk making glands so I produce hardly any milk.  So gaining weight on top of that is very depressing.

If this doesn't work for me then I suppose I will go back to high fat low carb with limited dairy that doesn't effect me too much like cream, butter and goat cheese.  But rice is definitely out for me right now.  Which is a shame but what can you do?
Posted by: ApplesCarrotsnGrain, Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 6:55pm; Reply: 36
Loops, I'm curious about something, and if this is true for you then this might be the reason for the weight. Were you a full term baby but a low birth weight when you were born?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 8:46pm; Reply: 37
OK, IGT is one of the few reasons that women truly can't produce enough milk, and the usual tricks (nursing more, pumping after feedings, etc) won't have any effect. If the milk  glands aren't there, they're not there. Eating more won't make you make more milk either. What kind of formula did you end up selecting?

My guess would be that the amount of milk you're making isn't  having a significant impact on your calorie expenditures. Its' not like you're fully nursing twins and need an extra thousand calories a day.

Clearly, something is "out of balance" with you right now, but I'm not sure exactly what or how to fix it. Going much lower on carbs will probably help a lot, but it may not be enough on its own. You may want to look into supplements if your weight doesn't stabilize after a week or so.
Posted by: Loops, Thursday, January 10, 2013, 2:06pm; Reply: 38
yes I think I was a very average weight when born.  I will ask my mother.

Well the scale is still edging upwards.  Yesterday I felt was too much fruit but I seem to be hungry when not doing low carb.  I will give it until the week is up but it is looking like back to high fat low carb for me, at least at present.  Something really weird has happened to me post partum.  I mean everything was going great on higher carbs for over a year, even during pregnancy.  Now I feel like I am just hoarding fat for no reason whatsoever.

So here in Chile there isn't much choice of formula  - we are giving him S-26 by Wyeth which is cow milk based.  It is VERY expensive - but the cow milk alternatives (soy, which my guess is also going to be bad for him as he is O neg like me) are even more expensive!  Formula is so expensive here, but I have no choice alas.  I was totally gutted to find out I make very little milk.  Now I am learning to be content with the little I produce and try to focus on the fact that I do have a gorgeous baby, even if he does cry a lot sometimes!  I think he has a small problem with the formula - not massive.  No eczema but he does vomit quite a bit and is moody.  He is gaining weight though and is very long so he is going to be a big lad one day.  I am going to try to wean him early to get off the formula as quickly as possible - will probably start at 5 months.  He is a feisty little fellow though - has a really strong kick!

I do feel like I need to eat quite a lot of fat right now.  It is interesting because during pregnancy I went totally off meat and was basically eating fruit, rice and eggs.  Now afterwards, I seem to be tired and craving fat, and dairy - especially cheese, which is why I was eating the parmesan.  However I do think I do better with the raw goat cheese we get here locally.  Might have to do with the fact that it is raw and from goats?  To be fair Swami lists sheep cheese (which alas I can't find here) as diamond, and there is no mention of goat cheese, only feta, which is avoid.  I don't like feta anyway.  Interestingly sour cream is a black dot.  Quark cheese is neutral - the goat cheese is a bit like quark maybe?  I mean it is basically homemade cheese most of the time here.  Everybody with a goat makes the stuff.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, January 10, 2013, 2:34pm; Reply: 39
You need to do the best you can with locally available ingredients. You may not be able to be 100% compliant to SWAMI (or one of the books) if many of the superfoods are unavailable to you. It's a shame you don't have access to a human milk bank or hypo-allergenic formula. But it sounds like you do have access to raw goat milk? You might want to research homemade formula using goat milk as a base. Even if your'e not comfortable giving him that now, it might be a better choice than the cow milk formula when he's a little bit older.

Why give it to the end of the week when what you're doing obviously isn't working for you? Why not add some fat to your diet today and see if you start feeling  better?
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 10, 2013, 5:06pm; Reply: 40
Loops,  animals that graze in pastures produce a high amount of CLA in their milk.  It has less to
do with whether the final product is raw or pasteurized and more to do with grass fed animals that have not been fed a grain diet.  Products from animals fed grain give us more omega 6 in our diets
than we'd want.

You could take CLA as a supplement...It helps to burn fat.  If you can't get high CLA dairy products,
from animals that grazed in grass, consider taking the supplement.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT2%2D5SYN

If I were you and choosing to eat a little more fat, I'd make sure these fats were chosen from my beneficial food list.
Posted by: Loops, Thursday, January 10, 2013, 10:59pm; Reply: 41
so all the animals here are grass fed - apart from the goats of course, which feed on the landscape around here (not much grass this far North) - lots of herbs and whatever they find.  But the cows and so the beef and cow cheese all comes from the South has a great fatty acid profile.  I am not worried about that at all.  I am happy eating butter too - doesn't affect me.  I seem to do best eating more animal fat than stuff like olive oil although I still use it.

I can't actually get hold of raw goats milk per se where I am - but I can get the cheese.  My son is ok with the formula so I am going to leave it at that - he is definitely thriving anyway on a combination of breast milk and formula.  I can start to wean him at 5 months anyway.
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, January 10, 2013, 11:43pm; Reply: 42
If you are just getting off of a vegetarian diet I wouldn't worry so much. You might gain some muscle, go through a brief water retention, and even out. Get exercise, eat. Worry less about dairy because it wouldn't even be that big of a deal if you didn't eat it.
Posted by: ApplesCarrotsnGrain, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 4:48am; Reply: 43
Pregnancy can trigger all kinds of wonky things with our bodies. Some people are lucky and bounce right back to normal afterwards, and some aren't so lucky lol
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 8:00am; Reply: 44
don t forget your fucus!!!

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2012/10/24/why-johnny-can-t-fucosylate?blog=24

http://www.4yourtype.com/2013_newsletter_v10n01.asp#Peter
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, January 12, 2013, 9:21am; Reply: 45
please remember one thing...the more you're goving your body signs of famine...the most quickly it get's adapted... and os it means low calories...so far your body regulates itself to *low calories* and will store and store and store...this is the typical jo-jo-effect... but while eating the right things for explorers ;)... I know from what I'm talkin about... :B :o :P ;D... the easier it becomes...why... coz it's true..we can't deal that well with carbs at all... >:( so far rice is a good option,
even quinoa but then cut off all starchy things...even become aware about fruitsugars and what time you're going to eat em.... our Zauberword means...yummy aminoacids... as I once wrote lately about MAP...what an amazing product...beautiful replacement for all kinds of non-desired foods ;)...and nearly no problems for your body to cope with it coz neither kidneys nor liver will be burden... :D(woot)(smarty)...you fill up your depots (btw it only can last about 2-3 hours) and then no muscle mass loosings nor jo-jo-effect!!!

wish you all the best and greetings from Switzerland (sunny)
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 2:59pm; Reply: 46
ok so first off, I am not coming off of a vegetarian diet - no way!  I eat loads of meat.  Secondly, I am not restricting calories.  I never have.  Bad idea - doesn't ever do one any favours in the long run.  So I am still gaining.  Blah.  I am really fed up.  Not only do I not make nearly enough milk, but my body has decided I am not fat enough either.  Right now I am officially overweight - something I actually have never been in my life, apart from a brief spate when I was younger.  My belly seems to be getting fatter and fatter, and no I am not pregnant again - that would have to be the immaculate conception lol.  The worst thing is I eat really healthily - absolutely no cheating at all.  None of the bad foods.  Fruit, meat, veg, olive oil, bit of rice.  How depressing is that???
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 6:27pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Loops
ok so first off, I am not coming off of a vegetarian diet - no way!  I eat loads of meat.  Secondly, I am not restricting calories.  I never have.  Bad idea - doesn't ever do one any favours in the long run.  So I am still gaining.  Blah.  I am really fed up.  Not only do I not make nearly enough milk, but my body has decided I am not fat enough either.  Right now I am officially overweight - something I actually have never been in my life, apart from a brief spate when I was younger.  My belly seems to be getting fatter and fatter, and no I am not pregnant again - that would have to be the immaculate conception lol.  The worst thing is I eat really healthily - absolutely no cheating at all.  None of the bad foods.  Fruit, meat, veg, olive oil, bit of rice.  How depressing is that??


Loops...I am so sorry to hear that you're still gaining and not stabilizing or losing..:(...It sounds
SOOOoooo frustrating just to read your words!

I'm thinking an O blood type or a forum moderator might be able to help you more if they could see what you've been eating...(sorry, but my entire family is blood type A so I feel inadequate giving you advice...).

Maybe if you could share an average day of your foods....

Again....so sorry for your struggles!! :(

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 10:11pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Chloe

Maybe if you could share an average day of your foods....


I agree - this could really help us in fine-tuning our advice to you.    :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 10:30pm; Reply: 49
I'd suggest cutting the carbs. Lower your portions of fruits and replace with extra veggies. Cut out the rice for a while (with the plan to re-incorporate it, in small portions, once your weight is stable.)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:15am; Reply: 50
I'd definitely second what Ruthie suggested ;)
Posted by: Spring, Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:54am; Reply: 51
Rice would certainly be no effort at all for me to chunk. I manage to eat it every month or so, but that is it. I don't know what it is about me and rice! I do love my sweet potatoes, though. I eat them every single day. Sometimes white and sometimes red, but one or the other every day. And salads - I eat huge salads twice a day. I don't feel right if I don't eat lots of salads.

Loops, I hope you soon get this figured out before you wear yourself out trying. Sounds as if you are getting pretty close to that point, and I don't blame you a bit for getting disgusted!
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:13pm; Reply: 52
ok so I tried cutting carbs and this morning on the 5th day I have had enough - I am dizzy and hypoglycemic and generally feel terrible.  Also the little milk I had seems to be drying up after cutting the carbs.  I was eating plenty of fat to make up for the deficit.  So that isn't going to work.....

Basically here's what happened -

over a year ago started BTD for non secretor.  Went great.  Ate loads of fruit, meat, fat, veggies.  Lost about 3 kilos without trying.  Got pregnant and finally hung onto baby without miscarriage.  Got my Swami at about the same time.  Started eating a lot of rice and little meat as I had a terrible aversion to most all meats apart from stuff in sushi.   Had excellent pregnancy  - no major problems - went from 64 kilos to 75 which was excellent.  Gave birth.  Immediately started dropping weight.  Within 2 weeks I was 66 kilos.

Then out of the blue started gaining weight.  I had been eating the same as before - following Swami - not really portions as I can't stand feeling deprived but to appetite so not stuffing myself.

Gargh.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:23pm; Reply: 53
If low carb was going to work for you, you'd  be feeling energized  by the 3rd or 4th day, though the first day or two can be rough.

It sounds to me like maybe you cut carbs too much? Maybe you'd do best eating lots of fat, and maybe half the carbs you ate before?

Actually, everything seems to point towards some kind of hormonal imbalance. I know there are several different kinds of thyroid tests, and one can show "normal" results when, in fact, there is a thyroid problem. Also, not all doctors interpret the results the same way- different countries may have different "normal ranges" -meaning a number that your doctor called "normal" may be considered "too low" or "too high" by another doctor working elsewhere. Do you know exactly what kind of thyroid test you have and what your exact numbers were?

Also, the thyroid is NOT the only organ that can be out of whack.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:41pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from Loops
Then out of the blue started gaining weight.


Are you exercising?  :)  Eating wheat?
Posted by: amyflood, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 3:54pm; Reply: 55
watch your olive oil portions too. I was way overdoing it with cooking etc and did not realize it.
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 4:42pm; Reply: 56
No I haven't eaten wheat in about 7 years.  Could people please read the whole thread before posting - I keep repeating that I do swimming and walking.  Not to be rude or anything but it gets a bit exasperating saying the same things over and over again.  Thanks.  I will have a look for my thyroid test results.  I don't have any symptoms of low thyroid though.  I know what they feel like.  I am really lost right now.  I don't know what to do or who to trust regarding diet anymore.  Most of all, I am desperate to stop this weight gain.  It is really freaking me out!
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 5:01pm; Reply: 57
see that is where I am not sure about this diet anymore.  Having to watch portions leads me right back to days of calorie restriction to maintain a vaguely normal weight.  I just can't do that anymore.  It is either the fat or the carbs.  Mixing both seems to result in eventual weight gain for me, even though at first it was great??  I mean - I was happier on low carb with loads of cream in tea and using butter and olive oil without restriction.  But eventually my casein allergy caught up with me and so I had to give up all dairy.  Then I really couldn't do low carb anymore as my energy and well being went downhill.  I was so happy to find that the BTD worked.  But now it doesn't - Swami seems to be even worse as well.  I wonder what is wrong with me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 5:40pm; Reply: 58
I think part of the problem with SWAMI was that too many of your superfoods were unavailable where you live, right? So you couldn't really "do SWAMI properly" which is why it didn't work well for you. You weren't able to eat mostly superfoods and diamonds, which is how to  get the best benefit from SWAMI.

Going super-low-carb isn't working for you postpartum. You might need some beans, grains, and/or fruit, but perhaps in lower quantities than you were eating before. I'd suggest keeping quantities unlimited on meats, veggies, nuts, and fats, but carefully incorporating a strict quantity of carbier foods (whether it's 1 piece of fruit and one small grain portion, or 4 pieces of fruit and no grains, or beans but no grains or fruit- it may take some trial and error to figure out what works best for you personally.) You need to figure out what the right balance is for your body right now. Clearly, your body's needs have shifted since having the baby and you can't do exactly what you did before.
Posted by: bethro, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 7:32pm; Reply: 59
Even though you're physically incapable of producing adequate milk maybe the rest of your body doesn't recognize this and so is trying to improve the situation by holding onto every calorie and storing it as fat so you can produce more milk.  Maybe when you stop breastfeeding your body will level out and your weight will normalize.

Just a thought.
Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 10:36pm; Reply: 60
have you had a pregnancy test since you had the baby?
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 11:58pm; Reply: 61
I just now saw this thread & don't have time to read all the entries. However, you are so recent from having a baby & you need to get enough rest & eat healthily to care for this wonderful new addition.
I wouldn't worry too much about portions or even avoids that don't upset you. [I also avoid dairy. It doesn't agree with me & there are good cal-mag supplements out there.]
If you are gaining weight like a normal mom does, don't panic. I also gained in pregnancy & lactation. They say one can lose weight with lactation, but many of us gain as our appetites get mixed up. Hehehehe!  Soon enough, you will be able to tackle the weight, but the first priority is basic health for you & the little one.
Best wishes!
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 1:41pm; Reply: 62
thanks.

No I'm not pregnant.  It could be my body thinks it is producing lots of milk - something strange is definitely going on.  Oh I had a horrible day yesterday and finally made some Swami soup and added a bit of brown rice.  Also had watermelon and pineapple juice.  Feel a lot better.  The dairy was awful.  The eczema on my hand flared up and I was having panic attacks.  Can't do low carb anymore.  And apparently I can't do dairy, although I keep trying.  I am worried I am readdicted to it again and will have to go through horrid withdrawals!  I hope not.

I will try to listen to what my body needs the next week.  Yes it is true - most of the diamonds on Swami I just can't get here.  I can get some of the superfoods but it will be a very boring unvaried diet!  I could get most of the beneficials of the BTD, but most of those are now neutrals.  I assume Swami is better for me overall - any opinions there?  All nuts are now avoids since the update, and dried plums are avoid, which are ubiquitous here.
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 2:05pm; Reply: 63
ok I think I can do a week eating ONLY from the superfoods side.  I can't do all diamonds  - it is actually impossible as I can't find pheasant, mutton or rabbit here which are diamonds.  Beef and turkey are doable here and easily found though not diamonds.  The fruits - again no diamonds but watermelon is in season and I have that is a superfood, plus lemons and limes.  I can do green tea with agave.  I was doing fried hake (rice flour, egg and fried in olive oil) as hake is a diamond but maybe all the rice four isn't so great although it was really nice.  A lot of the veggie diamonds I can find here so lots of those - most of them go well in soups like onions, garlic, carrots.  I do get lentils and some beans as superfoods but not sure if I should do those as they are quite carby.  But again, maybe it doesn't matter if I am eating all superfoods?  I am quite sick of trying to control macronutrients...but am also worried about gaining more weight.

Maybe it is out of my hands anyway right now.  I have to say that despite the weight gain I do feel quite good on the Swami diet.  I did get comments as well on how well I looked even though I was busting out of all my clothes!
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 2:07pm; Reply: 64
Anyway I will keep updated here - hopefully there will be some improvement soon.  I really want this to work.  It is evident to me now after trying to go back to low-carb with some avoids (like cream and goat cheese) that I feel better eating the foods Dr D'adamo recommends.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:12pm; Reply: 65
How old is the baby? Even though you're not making enough milk, the milk you do make is keeping him (her? I can't find a post where you mention the baby's gender) healthy. I doubt there's much health risk to you of keeping a little extra weight on you for a few months or years, but the milk can make a big difference in the baby's health. If this is something related to lactation hormones, then the weight should come off easily enough once lactation ends, no matter how long that is from now. This is certainly NOT a reason to wean early!

I also can't help but wonder if maybe you ended the pregnancy a little bit underweight (did you gain 20 pounds when your body really needed to gain 25 or 30?) and your body is compensating now, bringing you to a "healthy postpartum" weight.

I would NOT worry about the carbs in beneficial veggies or beans. See what happens when you eat those  freely, while also not limiting portions of oils, nuts, or meats. You suspect rice of being a problem, so cut out that specific food, making sure you still eat enough to feel full and energized.

And if you're really "busting out of your clothes" go buy some new ones. Or go to a thrift store and buy some old ones. ;) When wearing clothes that fit and flatter you, you may feel better about yourself, no matter how you look naked. I know that always works for me.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:34pm; Reply: 66
Quoted Text
Maybe it is out of my hands anyway right now.  I have to say that despite the weight gain I do feel quite good on the Swami diet.  I did get comments as well on how well I looked even though I was busting out of all my clothes!


THIS is what this diet is all about..

The weight as you run around with a baby soon will come off.  Yes superfoods mentioned above are GREAT!  You will soon be less puffy and soon grow muscles if you work at using them..

I know it is frustrating.. but the way to get more exercise is to move all day,  not senseless running around, but choosing to put away one little clothing garment at a time running from livingroom to bedroom and back.. do that all day.. dusting one room every day, not leasurly but running with the baby on the front or back.. fun for both.. 10 minutes to start, and you will feel different.

Yes eating benficials and Diamonds is most natural once you get used to it..

Making baby food from scratch will be fun also as it requires shopping fresh every other day.. O's in my mind do not lose weight by eating less,,,,,,,, but by being active... !  Not senseless jogging, but doing things that get you standing up, moving arms and legs and stretching to pick up and putting down.. You will be grateful when you see your baby as the catalyst to get you moving .. and eating right will make you emotionally and physically strong .. able to deal with what life brings you.

I am struggling with weight every day.. I know how you feel.  BUT make peace with the fact that this diet is not for weightloss, but for the health of a good mom.

I am currently starting my breakfast with 3 oz meat and a bowl of vegetables.. I like it better than eggs, which I think are addictive to me, both in the incapability of eating just 1 egg instead of my daily 2.. and eating only 5 a week instead of every day..  

You are glowing.. that is a lot more then other moms can say about them selves!! Good for you!!
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 5:05pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from Loops
Basically here's what happened -

over a year ago started BTD for non secretor.  Went great.  Ate loads of fruit, meat, fat, veggies.  Lost about 3 kilos without trying.  Got pregnant and finally hung onto baby without miscarriage.  Got my Swami at about the same time.  Started eating a lot of rice and little meat as I had a terrible aversion to most all meats apart from stuff in sushi.   Had excellent pregnancy  - no major problems - went from 64 kilos to 75 which was excellent.  Gave birth.  Immediately started dropping weight.  Within 2 weeks I was 66 kilos.

Gargh.


Loops, go back to BTD. That worked for you and you obviously felt better. Go back to what worked and as soon as you feel better again and at the proper weight you can try Swami again. Or not, Swami helped me tremendously with getting rid of my terrible monthly pains, but I am not losing any weight on it.  With BTD however I lost kilo after kilo. So I am going to go back to BTD as well, get rid of the weight and then switch back to Swami again. Swami for me helped me heal many things on a deeper cellular level, which is what I needed. Now that healing is done for a great part, I want to get the weight loss going again.
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 2:43pm; Reply: 68
I agree with SandrAruba, Swami helped with the food avoids but messed things up for me. The portions and frequencies didn't work and WAY too many carbs. Now I just keep it as simple as possible, 3 med salads a day with a variety of veg that I KNOW work for me,each topped with 2 oz of a variety of proteins, MOSTLY fish. It's romaine and spinach,celery, onion, artichoke, cilantro and other herbs, and a variety of oils. That's it. simple, period. Sometimes a small nut snack or romaine wrap as a snack. I dip broccoli in my olive oil flavored mayo too. Unfortunately, I had major insulin/BS issues with Swami. I'm glad I have it but use it mostly as an avoid guide. My salads are very well balanced. I need FAR less carbs, i get them all from green veggies, and I need more than 1T fat a day, more like 8 ( 2 on each salad and a little mayo). I don't gob it but I use it liberally. I eat small portions of red meat 2x a week. O's CAN get too much red meat, too much fat and too many carbs. What works for me is lots of green veggies, low to moderate protein and adequate fats, just enough to satisfy. Hope this helps and good luck. I know how impossible it is to find the right macronutrient ratios to sustain everything. (Swami made me gain too and there were many beneficial that didn't work for me)
BTD definately works but Swami not so much. I do love the food list though
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 2:51pm; Reply: 69
Also, I eat no dairy, no juice, no sugar, very little fruit if any, and very little nut and veg proteins. I eat 98% from the vegetables, proteins and fats. All of the recommended fats and proteins work and only about 1/3 of the vegetables. SIMPLE works for me but you have to find your fuel mix. Cutting carbs always causes fatigue and weird issues but only for about a week. Google low carb flu.
Posted by: Loops, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 3:00pm; Reply: 70
Thanks.
Ralph is just turning 4 months old this week.  He is starting to refuse the breast though now.  I have had to supplement formula right from the beginning - what milk I did get didn't come in until day 16!  It was terrible.  But I kept on breastfeeding anyway and giving him formula afterwards up until now - when I have to pump when he won't feed.  It is something that has been very hard emotionally for me, especially in the beginning wondering what on earth was wrong with me.

I don't get any nuts now!  Since Swami got updated both almonds and walnuts are now avoids along with every other nut - no even black dots but outright avoids.  Tahini is neutral.

I think before I was eating the odd tomato as well - which are outright avoids for me.  Also a bit of chocolate which had a bit of sugar in it.  Not lots but maybe that was doing something bad.

I went and ate parmesan again last night.  Because I am addicted again!  Also the excuse that it is a diamond - I really didn't feel good afterwards.  My face went bright red and my fingers swelled up within the hour, after an initial 'high' were I felt really good.  I don't understand that one.  How can something be a diamond and me react so badly to it?  If it was neutral I could be more adamant in avoiding it but as I am allergic-addicted I will find any excuse to eat the stuff!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 3:10pm; Reply: 71
Maybe you should just stick with BTD for now and ignore the SWAMI food lists. I'm concerned that you're not getting enough variety with SWAMI.
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 4:27pm; Reply: 72
I've reacted negatively to many beneficials and diamonds on SWAMI. They are now on my "personal avoid" list. I don't push any envelopes if I have a reaction at all. That suites me best. Again, SIMPLE, just eat what you KNOW works as long as it's not an avoid.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 4:40pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from Mother
I've reacted negatively to many beneficials and diamonds on SWAMI. They are now on my "personal avoid" list. I don't push any envelopes if I have a reaction at all. That suites me best. Again, SIMPLE, just eat what you KNOW works as long as it's not an avoid.

I'm the same way. There is no use in trying to eat a diamond food that makes a person hurt for three days, for instance. I will try things that have bothered me every now and then to see how it goes. Right now I would pay money to be able to eat lemon and grapefruit. But I have tried it over and over and over again for years, and it just not work for me!
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 6:26pm; Reply: 74
I look at it like this, anything that makes you gain weight or causes a reaction, it also causes fat accumulation and inflamation, neither which are healthy, no matter what macronutrients they may contain.
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, January 17, 2013, 9:04pm; Reply: 75
So it sounds like you exercise like a Type A blood. That is unless you swim laps for 30-45 minutes.

30-45 minutes of intense exercise, 4x a week, no less. Turn that walk into a run if you aren't swimming like you want to do a triathlon. Your metabolism will improve if you exercise like your blood type wants.

Most type O blood that exercise right, don't have weight problems even with bad diets. But there seems to be a good pattern of exercising like a Type A, the total opposite needs, and then talking about weight issues. You could spend a lifetime trying to refine the perfect diet for weight... or exercise correctly and let the good levels become inconsequential to weight control.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, January 18, 2013, 5:16am; Reply: 76
Quoted from Loops

I went and ate parmesan again last night.  Because I am addicted again!  Also the excuse that it is a diamond - I really didn't feel good afterwards.  My face went bright red and my fingers swelled up within the hour, after an initial 'high' were I felt really good.  I don't understand that one.  How can something be a diamond and me react so badly to it?  If it was neutral I could be more adamant in avoiding it but as I am allergic-addicted I will find any excuse to eat the stuff!


Just checking - was this a natural parmesan cheese that you grated for yourself or was it a commercial product that contained chemicals, such as anti-caking agents?  Sometimes we react to additives, thinking it is the food that bothers us.  Not saying this is the reason, just always encouraging us all to read labels very well.
Posted by: Loops, Friday, January 18, 2013, 3:08pm; Reply: 77
it was natural parmesan from a block.  

So I would be exercising more but I have a new baby to look after so no, not at the moment.  And I do have to disagree with exercise making a huge difference for me.  In the past I have exercised and not lost weight, and not exercised much and lost weight.  It ALWAYS comes down to diet for me.  For instance I used to eat high fat low carb and not that much exercise and lost.  The same diet made me gain when I started having thyroid issues.  On the BTD I wasn't exercising that much either (leg injury) and lost...on Swami I was gaining postpartum.  I hardly exercised in pregnancy either and only gained a modest amount of weight.  It is all about hormones, not how hard you are exercising, even for Os.  I exercise when I feel like it - it is not good pushing it if you aren't up to it.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, January 18, 2013, 3:08pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from DoS
So it sounds like you exercise like a Type A blood. That is unless you swim laps for 30-45 minutes.

30-45 minutes of intense exercise, 4x a week, no less. Turn that walk into a run if you aren't swimming like you want to do a triathlon. Your metabolism will improve if you exercise like your blood type wants.

Most type O blood that exercise right, don't have weight problems even with bad diets. But there seems to be a good pattern of exercising like a Type A, the total opposite needs, and then talking about weight issues. You could spend a lifetime trying to refine the perfect diet for weight... or exercise correctly and let the good levels become inconsequential to weight control.


She's not even 4 months postpartum. Intense exercise may not be wise just yet.
Posted by: Mother, Friday, January 18, 2013, 3:55pm; Reply: 79
I concur with exercise, never changed a thing for me on the scale.For me it's all about diet, lots of green veggies, low to moderate protein (low red meat) and adequate healthy oils. Sounds optimal for most people. I also agree with Ruthie, intense exercise right now will not help with fluctuating hormones. Perhaps some walking and bonding time? I do hope you feel better soon as I do know how frustrating and infuriating it can be. Maybe just go all the way back to the begining and eat "a healthy" diet, avoiding your avoids. Don't go fat heavy, minimize carbs to around 75( MOSTLY from veggies, fruit causes problems for alot of people) or under and see where that takes you. As an O, i overate fat and meats because I was was told I couldn't. It wasn't massive amounts either but more balanced works way better. Have a healthy breakfast and a few salads. See if that helps. For now, don't worry about all the crazy foods, eat fish and veggies and fill in the holes. Keep it simple and consistant
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, January 18, 2013, 4:49pm; Reply: 80
Loops, I haven't read this whole thread, but you might want to think about two things: postpartum depression and low thyroid.

I'm all for birth (got four kids myself and breastfed all of them way beyond what's typical for an American), but they do give your glands a run for the money.  If I were you I'd see if I could find a natural thyroid supplement and see if it helps at all with the weight.  You don't even have to have your thyroid tested.  If you don't need a natural supplement, it won't hurt you to take it.

As far as PPD goes, you may have mentioned it in the previous four pages, but I thought I'd bring it up.  All the crazy hormone swings after a birth can leave you feeling horrible and sluggish and insane and fat and hungry and...... :X  I do understand that totally.  It was always a huge struggle for me, for a full year after a birth, to not obsess about how I looked and felt.  It was so bad after the first baby that I really should have seen a doctor.  I was angry because I couldn't do what I needed to do, lonely without any help whatsoever (family was many hours away and I was new in town and didn't have friends yet and DH was in grad school so he was always gone), and this BABY was SCREAMING day and night.  

So...all that to ask if you think you may be dealing with a bit of PPD. If so, that's a whole different ballgame.
Posted by: DoS, Friday, January 18, 2013, 5:04pm; Reply: 81
I don't know the time tables for exercise with postpartum, but exercise helps Type O's with depression and can help some with other hormones.
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, January 19, 2013, 3:14pm; Reply: 82
thanks.  I will look into the natural thyroid supplement.  It is possible I have some mild PPD but to be honest haven't been to a doctor because I don't want to be prescribed antidepressants and that is basically what they will do...  I feel like I need to go back to some type of low carb diet with a lot of fat, but not sure how low to go really.  I sleep better on low carb but I am scared of making a perhaps low thyroid situation worse.  However lots of carbs right now although great in pregnancy just doesn't seem to be great now.  I am also craving dairy like crazy.  I am wondering if I do need something in there although I can't eat cow cheese.  I talked to my sister in law who has a 1 year old and she said she craved a lot of dairy when she was breastfeeding.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, January 19, 2013, 3:24pm; Reply: 83
You need LOTS of fat.  Dump compliant oil on everything you're eating.  While you're getting a thyroid supplement (glandular-based ones are really good), see about some fish oils.  Omega 3-6-9 oils.  Something.  Anything.  Those will help you feel good.  You're right, if you went to a doctor they'd just give you antidepressants.  At this point, do what makes you feel best.  Once that PPD is diminished (if that's part of what you're struggling through), you'll be able to think about what you can narrow down or cut out food-wise.  But I'm guessing that baby did a number on your thyroid.  

Did you take a prenatal?  If so, you might want to start taking that again too.  Pregnancy is a big adjustment for your body, but so is post-pregnancy.  It takes a lot of getting used to and trying to figure out where you are and what you need.

A new, cute haircut does wonders for one's self-view after a baby too, especially if you're losing a lot of it.   ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, January 19, 2013, 4:58pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Loops
I will look into the natural thyroid supplement.

Do you include any seaweed (compliant, of course) in your diet?  It has a load of minerals that would probably be very beneficial for you, but especially for the thyroid...
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 20, 2013, 2:49pm; Reply: 85
thanks.  Yes I took a prenatal and am taking them still.  I also take bladderwrack.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:19am; Reply: 86
I might never have adhered to the dictates of any diet .. I could not..

But I do take responsibility in what I do.. meaning: I need to test all things for me.. like I am now wondering if some foods are better than others..

Like bananas, are they better than a sweet potato?  Are certain foods better even though they have the same value within their group? but compared to thers have less value?

Like the sweet potato, do the calories of it act the same as the banana?   Are the starches in the one different from the other?  Should I only have i.3 of banana because of its sugar? while a whole sweet potato might be better sugar wise?

I think now, there is much more we could evaluate not only for this or that, but its own totality in what it is doing to me/us.  

IF for instance I can adhere to eating fewer snacks that will derail me when I eat enough meat, is that better, or is less meat better for the health of me.  

So much to still learn.. experiment with, a lifetime of working it out.
Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 1:29pm; Reply: 87
The thing I always remember about being pregnant is that it took 9 months to put the weight on and it takes 9 months or longer to take the weight off.  I have never gotten down to the same weight before baby, I have been within 5 lbs but my body is strong and healthy.  

I started exercising right after I had my last kid, I went water skiing the weekend after I had him and continued doing all things fun postpartum.  I went golfing the day before I had him, I wasn't doing too many fun things while I was pregnant, I was a bored pregnant lady.   I was back on snow skiis 5 months postpartum feeling very strong and in control.

I was in the process of selling my business just after I had R, so I was busy with meetings and feeding him.  When I sold the business, I was at the gym at least 3 days a week (I needed the socialization) and slowly, after about 1 year, my body started to look like it did before baby.  

If you are going by scale alone, stop, because it is not a true evaluation of what your fat to lean is.  You are carrying a larger volume of blood (I always found my hemoglobin was higher so I could run easier) my rib cage got larger while I was pregnant and again, it took a year for things to return to pregnancy state.  
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, January 27, 2013, 6:52pm; Reply: 88
thanks.  Ok so first off, I didn't gain loads in pregnancy.  I literally gained 11 kilos, 9 of which came off within 2 weeks of giving birth!  It was only after this that I started gaining, eating exactly the same way.  So for me it was not pregnancy weight.  Secondly, I have a body fat monitor, and yes I have increased fat stores - correlating with the weight gain - it is all fat apparently!  I was so happy when I could eat carbs again - and now it seems I can't once more.  Meat, veggies and fat is just so hard to stick to without dairy I find.  But I have no choice.  The scale just edged up again and I am fed up beyond belief.  Blah.  Stupid non-secretor body.  I actually can't believe I am an explorer - I should be a gatherer with the problems I have had with my weight.
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, January 27, 2013, 6:59pm; Reply: 89
Blasphemy... I wish I could eat meat and veggies for every meal. You got it good, so good.
Posted by: jeanb, Sunday, January 27, 2013, 7:13pm; Reply: 90
Loops, great your thyroid checked.  My thyroid went a bit crazy 1 year after having kids.  Once I got on thyroid meds, my weight stabilized.

Also, get your other hormones checked, you could be producing too much estrogen (common after pregnancy), which in turn cuts off thyroid hormone from working properly.
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, January 27, 2013, 11:42pm; Reply: 91
Quoted from jeanb
Loops, great your thyroid checked.  My thyroid went a bit crazy 1 year after having kids.  Once I got on thyroid meds, my weight stabilized.

Also, get your other hormones checked, you could be producing too much estrogen (common after pregnancy), which in turn cuts off thyroid hormone from working properly.


do you think low carb can disturb the thyroid?
Posted by: jeanb, Monday, January 28, 2013, 12:21am; Reply: 92
I don't know if low carb can affect thyroid, my thyroid gets very unhappy when I touch grains or when I get really stressed, literally, it starts to ache.

I have read the thyroid is affectedly by pregnancy and all the changes in hormones.  
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 1:22pm; Reply: 93
DoS maybe you need more protein if you feel like that??  I know that barring dairy, if I am craving something I do need it (yes not counting sugar either).

A little update.  I went back to high fat low carb this time for a week including lots of dairy and stuff like salami.......I felt horrible.  I know there is the whole issue of burning more fat for energy instead of sugar...but really I suddenly remembered why I'd left in the first place.  Low carb is not for me, and eating all that dairy and pork is just HORRIBLE.  I got two huge zits on my chin after having been mostly dairy-free for ages, and I just felt really toxic and clogged up.  I think the salami didn't do great things for me either.

So now I am back to BTD because I just feel like this is the answer for me.  Basically I am avoiding too much rice right now, and also all dairy apart from maybe ghee which is a superfood for me.  But lots of beneficial fruit, juices (which have always been fine for me diluted), red meat, veggies, olive oil.  Eat to satisfaction....basically what I was doing before I got pregnant.  If I got out for sushi I will obviously eat rice.

I also got HORRIBLE ANGRY red eczema on my finger after going back to dairy.  I had cleared it all up before - all of it.  After a couple of days on BTD the redness is gone and it is no longer itchy.  I am a true type O non-secretor that is for sure.  I also seem to bloat horribly after eating pork.

I was thinking about Swami.  There is a lot of information that I just don't have to input right now for that.  I am thinking maybe it would work better if I had more things to tell it.  I will maybe get some tests done at the doctors.

One thing is for sure.  I finally held onto a pregnancy after eating BTD for 6 months, and eating Swami during pregnancy I produced a really healthy and beautiful baby - I get compliments on him ALL the time at the supermarket etc.  He doesn't seem to have any eczema from having the formula like I did as a baby, and I am still giving him some breast milk that I produce - he has not been sick once in his life yet.

Swami is right about something though - prunes are horrible for my gut....lol.  I will update again, as I fear people reading this thread might get the idea that I had no success.
Posted by: marjorie, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:01pm; Reply: 94
by the P'way, when I say low carb, i am not suggesting you eat dairy or pork. Even Dr/D recommends a high protein low carb lifestyle for o's. So, low carb with beneficial veg, meat and fruits ( limited) is what works for me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 2:02pm; Reply: 95
Ok, so you did an experiment and found out that BTD does work! Sometimes we just need to learn things the hard way.

It sounds like you're now on the right track- BTD, no restrictions on healthy foods, but cutting WAY down on rice since you have a specific problem with that one food.
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 4:39pm; Reply: 96
Hi Loops, I have read the whole thread with great interest and concern. I feel for you. Although I am have not been pregnant, I have very similar issues as you regarding weight gain. I do consider myself in perimenopause and I have uterine fibroids and ovarian cysts. They don't seem to get smaller and I'm gaining lots of weight/fat around the ab and waist, even though I have been compliant with my SWAMI food list most of the time. When I first started on this diet 3 years ago, I ate tons of veggies and about 3oz of animal protein per day. SWAMI gave me triple the amount of animal protein per day and I have been eating accordingly. Anyhow, I don't know how much of that has to do with my weight gain. I would say not much because I notice that if I eat more protein I don't gain on a day-to-day basis but when I eat starchy food and grains, I gain right away. For some time I was eating more and more Manchego as it is one of a few allowable cheeses on my list. Manchego is a Bennie. So that might have caused my gradual weight gain, although I must say it made my tummy feel so good. The problem with me right now is that my body craves so much food and holds on to fat, which I suspect has to do with the drop in estrogen, because estrogen can be produced from fat itself.

I know that I can lose a lot of weight if I go back to how I ate before--tons of greens and a small portion of animal protein. But somehow I get bored/tired of eating that way, and I know I'd feel unsatisfied.

I can't give you any good advice except that I can relate to your situation and that perhaps the stress of thinking about weight gain is causing your cortisol level to rise and that in turn would make your body hold on to the fat. Whatever diet makes you feel good then stick to it. Like some of the forum members here, I do think that you will shed your pounds after some time, as right now your body is going through changes after pregnancy. Take care!
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 10:50pm; Reply: 97
Hi -

thanks Ruth yes I feel like this is the right way to eat for me.  I am eating a lot of fruit but that is what I crave - I eat the meats and lots of vegetables as well.

Balletomane - lots of vegetables and a small portion of meat sounds like a starvation diet.....were you ever a conscious food restrictor for your ballet body?  I have read that it takes many calories to fully recover from this state, and often the body will gain above what it likes before settling back down to its desired set-point.  Women need 2500 calories a day - did you know that?  Most of us are in the habit of restricting.  I am no longer doing that - I stopped 5 years ago when I started low carbing - calories I mean.  That is why I am eating to appetite and won't ever be told to do otherwise again.  I still firmly believe it is the types of food one eats that matters, and that calories should be firmly left upto the body to decide.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply you had been restricting calories before....just in case that was the case.  I am personally intolerant to casein so yes I gain a lot of bloat when I eat cheese.  I am not sure if that is temporary or permanent with regards to Swami.  I know I get zits and eczema with dairy.
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 1:38am; Reply: 98
Hi Loops,

Good question. I think I was eating less than 2000 calories a day... probably close to 1,200, without counting and without being aware of it. Actually I did not mean to aim for an "ideal ballet body" but it became that way for about 2 years when I first started with BTD and SWAMI. Interesting idea that the body is gaining back what it lost?!

Prior to BTD, I was on a vegan/raw diet. Was definitely in starvation mode, and the goal was not to lose weight but to shrink my fibroids. I lost a lot of muscles and was down to 97lbs for my 5'3" frame. I had not been that slim for a long time and really enjoyed how I looked when I danced. Losing weight was never a goal but a by-product of eating right. I maintained that weight for 2 years when I started BTD and SWAMI, but started gaining steadily since last year. That's why, like you, I've been puzzled why I have been gaining all that weight (I'm talking about 15-20 pounds) even though I'm compliant.

Regarding dairy, if you get reactions from eating your Diamond cheeses, then I'd suggest not to touch them. There are individual allergies that SWAMI may not take into account so we need to adjust accordingly.
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 1:38pm; Reply: 99
yes I am off the dairy and feeling much better.  My eczema is fast fading as well, and no more zits.  Yeah 1,200 calories is very low.  I don't count the calories I just know when I haven't eaten enough because I will still be hungry!  Sometimes though, if your zinc status gets low enough (which happens with low food intake and especially protein foods like meat) your appetite can be blunted - that is what happens with anorexics, but also with less extreme low calorie intakes - especially if protein is restricted.  I hope you find an answer with your fibroids - they do not sound like fun!
Posted by: luvmyzoe, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 8:38pm; Reply: 100
Dear Loops,

First of all, I am NOT a doctor.  But I have experience. And I have read the entire thread.

I have had two childre, who are now 15 and 13.  I also had trouble making enough breastmilk at the time and had to supplement. I nursed the first child for 5 months and supplemented with soy milk.  (Fast forward to now, good thing she is A+!) With my son I only breastfed him about 6 weeks, and supplemented with soy mild and formula.  ( He is also type A+, as I am)

After each pregnancy, I asked for my thyroid to be checked because I had so much trouble losing weight.  Each time, the doctor said I was normal.  What I didn't know at the time was that most docs only check "TSH", which is the Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, which just checks to see if your thyroid is producing.  I finally went to an anti-aging doctor who checked my T3, T4 and Reverse T3.  THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!  You need to find a doc who will check all these, along with your estrogen, progesterone and testosterone.  To make a long story short, the anti-aging doctor put me on Armour thyroid (natural thyroid) , estrogen, testosterone and anti-depressants.  The weight then came off fairly easily.  Granted, I was going to the gym also, but I was going to the gym prior to getting on these hormones and dieting, to no avail.

Depression is not something to be ashamed of.  It is a physiological disorder, having to do with seratonin.  Either your body does not make enought seratonin, or you do not have enough receptors in the brain.  Interestingly, thyroid ineffeciently can mimic depression symptoms.  In any event, anit-depressants do not have to be taken forever.  I took them for a few years, and haven't been on them for the last 4 years.  I am now on all bio-identical hormones including progesterone.  You may now be estrogen dominant, which will cause fat storage and also your cortisol cycle could be out of whack.  There is a simple saliva test that you can do to test that.

To sum it up, keep changing doctors until you find one that listens to you and is current with all the latest research.  And enjoy your little bundle of love!!  They DO grow up so fast!

Please let me know about your progress.
Grace
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Thursday, February 21, 2013, 10:30pm; Reply: 101
Pretty much all females over 35 are estrogen dominant, you don't need lab work to determine whether you are or not.  Adding progesterone may help, as well as reducing stress.  Estrogen is very stressful and aging; it lowers metabolism and causes hypothyroid:
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aging-estrogen-progesterone.shtml
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/estrogen-age-stress.shtml

I would ditch the grains also.  Starches are fattening.
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, February 24, 2013, 2:25pm; Reply: 102
ok hello once again my friends!  A new update....
So due to my dairy addiction and withdrawal I went back to high fat low carbs AGAIN....this happens to me around day 5 of no dairy I suddenly start making all kinds of excuses to go back on it.  However this time something terrible happened - I really couldn't sleep - awful insomnia.  You would think I would have learned my lesson but no.  And with a baby this is not good.  And not being ketoadapted this is really bad - no energy etc.  I don't know why but I just can't seem to trust the BTD anymore after gaining weight.  But I do feel better on it.  So I really have to get my head around leaving my weight at the moment - accepting myself as I am because otherwise I am bouncing around from one plan to the next and making myself ill.  And trusting that this way of eating is the best one for me.  I guess I need some encouragment really.

I now have the thyroid supplement so am taking that.  I am also battling an ambien dependency although last night I finally slept without it after eating more carbs and taking a load of calcium and magnesium and various herbs.  I am now feeling better again but I really have to get through the 2 weeks casein withdrawal before I stop wanting to eat dairy again.  The ambien - well I had been prescribed 5mg a long time ago and just take it for emergencies but recently what with my low carbing efforts I was having to resort to it again and again...Ralph luckily sleeps through the night!!

Interesting about the hormones - I had been taking shatavari and goats rue and more milk tea for awhile for increasing breast milk - would this increase estrogen I wonder?  I am still pumping milk - I think I will stop soon though - maybe my weight will drop then.

I will try to find a doctor who will test thyroid properly.  Thanks.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, February 24, 2013, 5:32pm; Reply: 103
Sahara, those are two great links...thanks for sharing :)

Loops, sorry you're struggling again....the dairy addiction is something I've experienced for years
and I had no option but to avoid it totally when I was typed as a Teacher (who ironically gets
a lot of cheese), until I found manchego cheese for some odd reason doesn't set me up for dairy addiction.

I think the ONLY solution is not having the dairy in the house....Just do not buy what you can't
eat.  Buy what you can eat and make sure you're one meal ahead of yourself.  Although I've eaten
breakfast and calculated in my head that I ate a large amount of food, what I'm mentally preparing
for in my head is what I'll eat for lunch.  Not enough fiber for breakfast, so I'm already thinking
beans/bean soup....vegetables....and knowing all of these foods will fill me up....Also thinking
ahead is my nuts.....and so I take a little cup and measure them out....getting them ready for
when I need to eat a snack.  Remembering to drink enough fluid....have tea if I think I'm hungry,
because usually I'm thirsty and don't get the signal when I know I haven't had much fluid in hours.
I just pour myself a big pitcher of water in the morning....let it sit out and remind myself to drink
it up before the day is over.

You might want to try melatonin instead of ambien....I sleep well and take it 30 minutes before bed.
It takes trying a few different mg to see how much you need. I need 9 or 10 mg.  My husband only
needs 6 mg.

You might want to just post your meals, one at a time on this thread until you get a handle on
self control. It doesn't take will power as much as it takes planning ahead and feeling gratified for
getting from point A to point B.  That's the way I do it....going from meal to meal....It's not like
I'm thinking about food all day but it's one of the necessities of having food ready when you need
to eat.  And with a baby, I'm quite sure you can't focus very much on yourself when someone else
needs so much of your precious time.  While nursing a baby can be a relaxation time for you,
in all reality, unless someone else is helping you prepare food for yourself, I can see how easy it
would be to grab whatever is available when you feel the need to eat.

Start over again....just feel accountable for one day at a time....And try to get through one meal
at a time by thinking about your next meal while you're still on breakfast.  Think out your snacks
and your liquid....and try to feel the sense that you're planning ahead. I'm generally not a planner
as I like spontaneity, but part of taking good care of yourself and feeding yourself right is being
prepared.

Next time you go food shopping, do not buy foods you know will tempt you...I often freeze foods
I shouldn't eat....Most of my manchego cheese is frozen in little bite size pieces....Only a day's
worth is defrosted and ready to eat.

Sometimes you have to be your own policewoman....for your own good!   Keep a food diary....
give yourself little smile-y faces when you've done a good job.

Just wipe the slate clean and start anew...  

Don't let too much time go by without letting people on the forum know you need support.  WIshing you the best of luck :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 1, 2013, 6:47pm; Reply: 104
Quoted from 14442
Pretty much all females over 35 are estrogen dominant, you don't need lab work to determine whether you are or not.  Adding progesterone may help, as well as reducing stress.  Estrogen is very stressful and aging; it lowers metabolism and causes hypothyroid:

I would ditch the grains also.  Starches are fattening.


Not all of us. Some of us have too much progesterone, and adding in progesterone cream will only make things worse. I don't suggest playing around with hormones without the supervision of a healthcare professional, or doing a whole lot of research on your symptoms.

Loops, I'm sorry you're still struggling.
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 12:39pm; Reply: 105
hey all....

feeling very discouraged again.  Am gaining weight again.  Am sticking to my swami like glue.  I also don't feel very good and I think it is the cheese messing with me.  I should definitely not give in to my cheese cravings.  I really thought I'd found the way to eat that would be the answer with BTD and Swami but right now I am wondering what to try next as this just isn't working for me.  So sad really - plus casein withdrawal is now kicking my behind!

Thanks for all the encouragement.  I hope I can find a way to be healthy and lose weight.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, June 1, 2013, 1:48pm; Reply: 106
Quoted from Loops
feeling very discouraged again.  Am gaining weight again..


Hi, do you exercise?  
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 2:06pm; Reply: 107
yes I do swimming, walking and intense tennis training (exercising to the max heartrate during this with a lot of sprinting - not the usual casual game).  Excercise though no matter how intense has never really affected my weight I must say - I do it because I like it.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 1, 2013, 2:48pm; Reply: 108
dearest 1/4 of mine (..the A2 makes it ;)...)Loops... as mentioned in my reply 12th of Jan.13... would still implement L'tyrosine as a mood enhancer, no lentils at all, and stop + - all kinds of  milk products...

all the best ... please pm me ;) ;D...
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 3:29pm; Reply: 109
thanks amazone will do!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 4:28pm; Reply: 110
just keep trying Loops, it gets better and once you do actually stop all dairy it actually easy.

take you time and slowly start winning some battles, then you will evidentially win the war oxo
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 5:09pm; Reply: 111
Loops, even though my bloodtype/genotype *should* be able to eat certain kinds of dairy, I have had to face the fact that (at least at this time) it isn't for me.  I still eat ghee everyday, which I think has made it possible to make this transition without suffering.  
As much as I love freshly made yogurt and delicious cheeses, I don't eat them anymore - kissed them goodbye nearly a year ago.  And for me, that was very much the right decision.  :)
Posted by: Loops, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 8:31pm; Reply: 112
wow, so what does a type B eat then???  The usual meat and veg I suppose....
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 1, 2013, 9:08pm; Reply: 113
My red meat is lean, young lamb.  There is also turkey.  I eat wild salmon or sardines, cod or halibut nearly every day also.  There are lots of beautiful fresh vegetables, (steamed, baked, stir-fried) also sweet starchy veggies, such as sweet potatoes.  Many type B's eat grains every day and there are a number without gluten.
And nuts, such as walnuts, pecans and almonds; flax and chia seeds, pumpkin seeds, delicious almond butter.

Fruit is a food group where I really stick with Superfood/Diamond (Beneficial and Superbeneficial).  Well, actually I stick to those categories across the board, but fruit for some people can trigger cravings - not so much with the highest category.

Ghee is a great balancer and satisfies many invisible cravings.
Posted by: Spring, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 3:37am; Reply: 114
Quoted from Victoria
Loops, even though my bloodtype/genotype *should* be able to eat certain kinds of dairy, I have had to face the fact that (at least at this time) it isn't for me.  I still eat ghee everyday, which I think has made it possible to make this transition without suffering.  
As much as I love freshly made yogurt and delicious cheeses, I don't eat them anymore - kissed them goodbye nearly a year ago.  And for me, that was very much the right decision.  :)

I have some cheese on my diet, too, but I only eat it about once every two months! Cottage cheese without all the crazy additives works for me about once or twice a week at the most. I adore yogurt, but I can't have it either.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:46pm; Reply: 115
Quoted from Loops
wow, so what does a type B eat then???  The usual meat and veg I suppose....


You must be having an intolerance to something that you added to the diet. It can show up as bloat or weight gain. Go through your diet and see what you've added that you never had before to do an elmination process to see what's causing the intolerance.  Dr. D can't tell a person's personal allergies or intolerances if you don't go to him as a patient, so you'd have to become your own dectective, and that's where the diet gets tricky sometimes.  Some people need to be followed up with him.
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 1:57pm; Reply: 116
thanks yes I really can't have cheese - I have actually been diagnosed with a casein intolerance before from Enterolab - I just thought that maybe with the rest of the diet in place I might be able to tolerate a diamond cheese that is recommended to eat 6 times a week.  I should have been more careful!  At the end of the day it is my responsability.  I am still gaining weight....back to low carb for me for the time being I think.  I really need to get this excess off before I try to get pregnant again.
Posted by: Donna, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 2:26pm; Reply: 117
Been on BTD for year and a half. Then started swami in Dec. have CFID/FM so my metabolism is extremely low. Most people when on this diet lose weight. Not me. I am a compulsive overeaters. Have been going to a small group of overeaters anonymous for emotional & behavioral support. Have first done one compliant meal at a time. So was able to not overeat on serving sizes first. Got to having 6 feedings a day with protein at each feeding. Then cut down & stayed within serving times recommendations. It has memento very tiny steps. Inch by inch, mm by mm. Extremely slow. Follow swami recommendations to a T. Exercise like DrD recommends. Since December it's been like 1/2  pound a month. Progress extremely slow. But kept at it. Had to choose low calorie foods due to metabolic syndrome. So egg whites instead if whole eggs. Carob instead of almond butter. Have been moving in the right direction. Recording weight every two weeks.
I am telling you that you can do this Loops. If I did it. I thought hopeless. But got support from OA & read these forums & facebook contantly immersing myself. It can be done. Scale can go down. Body does plateau, then would slowly figure out what item to change next. This item would take weeks for me to pinpoint then eliminate. Trial & error. Also with help from my Higher Power because cannot do alone. So don't give up. Scientifically approached it, using Dr Ds suggestions. One food item at a time. Good luck & good weightloss wishes. Small shifts. :-).  
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 3:17pm; Reply: 118
good job donna! :)
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 5:10pm; Reply: 119
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I am a compulsive overeaters. Have been going to a small group of overeaters anonymous for emotional & behavioral support.


Donna.. job well done..

I am not as compulsive as I might be, but I have little control.. when I see food..

I have learned to use Extra light olive OIL away from any food for one hour , to take away my need for snaking, giving me much more control..but it has to be a daily commitment! 2-3 times a day.

I would combine all you know about BTD, and try tablespoon of extra light olive oil IN BETWEEN.. away from food connections for 60 minutes on either side.. and see how you might do..

The oil is in your Swami or GTD .. just the method of taking it is different.(not BTD). It can not be food 'thought' connected.

Drinking more water might also help.. wash the oil down with water..
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 6:58pm; Reply: 120
Loops- have you been evaluated for thyroid problems? You've had this problem since your baby was born, and pregnancy often messes up hormones. I honestly think that if diet alone could solve this problem, you would have solved it  by now. You've tweaked your diet enough times already; you probably need some kind of supplement or even a medication to get your body back on track.
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 8:15pm; Reply: 121
yeah thyroid came back normal.  I do have PCOS though.  Well - not the insulin problems when last tested but I still have ovaries full of cysts and I have struggled with my weight FOREVER it seems.  I lose weight on Atkins induction no dairy but it makes me feel terrible and my carb cravings never go away...even after months.  Which is why I left doing low carb in the first place and at first BTD was working for me really well.  I feel like I am destined just to be overweight.  I found the Swami and BTD easily doable but I just seem to gain weight.  Maybe I can't have the grains either.  I most certainly can manage without them - even though rice is a superfood.

I wonder how about sticking to the diamond and superfood fruits and beans, and forgetting about the dairy and grains - would that work?  I can't really restrict calories - that lands me in an awful mess.  I don't tend to overeat anyway unless it is grains plus fat added (egg fried rice comes to mind - I loved that when I was pregnant!).  I stopped doing that when I first started gaining weight.

The thing is also...and apologies for ranting here....my mood really goes downhill on low carb after awhile.  My mood is really good on Swami and BTD but I can't stand this weight gain any longer.

If I could just lose even a bit I would be encouraged.  Right now I just don't know what to believe anymore.  The thing is that Dr D was so right with all my avoid foods.  I even have a list I made when I was low carbing of all the foods that didn't agree with me on low carb and they went like this:

coffee
coconut milk
cheese
pork (sausages the worst)
peanuts

so you can imagine when I stumbled on BTD I was taken aback by his recommendations for me.  So I trusted that I could eat stuff like bananas and not gain a ton of weight.  

Anyways....
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 8:57pm; Reply: 122
What KIND of thyroid test did you have? I know there are several kinds, and with one particular type, false positives are very common. It's also fairly common for doctors to misread the lab results- you fall into an arbitrary "normal range" even if there actually is a problem.

In other words, you're showing a million symptoms of thyroid problems and I'm not convinced that your doctor has ruled it out completely. And if it's not thyroid, it might be another kind of hormonal imbalance. Can you see a hormone specialist?
Posted by: Loops, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 9:12pm; Reply: 123
I suppose I can try.  I have really lost my faith in doctors here - they never seem to be able to diagnose me properly (hello Explorer traits).  They will just tell me everything is fine.
Posted by: Donna, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 10:42pm; Reply: 124
Loops, I know what you mean exactly about low carbs & mood. I am that way too.  So I have to avoid that feeling. Like being deprived. So my weight loss extremely slow. Throwing my hands up in the air. Journaling helped me be clinical  Frustrating. But I do think it is wise to examine all options. Medical as well as supplements. At times I would have been happy with one ounce loss a month.
l just wanted to have a consistent weight loss. Didn't care how slow, just as long as was moving in right direction. I don't deprive myself. But have to stick to two fruits & two grain servings a day because of all issues. If i dont get enough nutrtion i feel very fatigued. Metabolic, sugars, IBS, age cholesterol. Use all resources.

Goldie, I have read & watched your posts with your weightloss efforts and am very glad for your progress. :-)
Posted by: Donna, Sunday, June 2, 2013, 10:43pm; Reply: 125
Loops, I know what you mean exactly about low carbs & mood. I am that way too.  So I have to avoid that feeling. Like being deprived. So my weight loss extremely slow. Throwing my hands up in the air. Journaling helped me be clinical  Frustrating. But I do think it is wise to examine all options. Medical as well as supplements. At times I would have been happy with one ounce loss a month.
l just wanted to have a consistent weight loss. Didn't care how slow, just as long as was moving in right direction. I don't deprive myself. But have to stick to two fruits & two grain servings a day because of all issues. If i dont get enough nutrtion i feel very fatigued. Metabolic, sugars, IBS, age cholesterol. Use all resources.

Goldie, I have read & watched your posts with your weightloss efforts and am very glad for your progress. :-)
Posted by: Loops, Monday, June 3, 2013, 1:15pm; Reply: 126
thanks.  I will try to get to a different doctor soon and see what is going on.  All I know is that before BTD I couldn't hold onto a pregnancy and then after sticking to it I got pregnant easily and held onto it.  Also it seems with more carbs I am ovulating more often - I get ovulation pains now where as before I never used to get any.  I do however get bad night sweats around TOM and had terrible ones after my son's birth for months, which indicates some sort of hormone imbalance maybe??
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 3, 2013, 1:41pm; Reply: 127
have you ever checked your copper levels, often after pregnancy this might be too high..so far the easiest here is the intake of zink.... ;) :D(smarty) higher copper levels are also the culprit for afterbirth depression and  weight management  :)
Posted by: Loops, Monday, June 3, 2013, 5:04pm; Reply: 128
hey
well interestingly it was after a bout of zinc supplementation (without corresponding copper and iron to balance) that I started to get into trouble with my weight.  That was a couple of years ago.  Since that I am careful to balance supplements I take.  I started to get signs of copper deficiency - greying hair, fatigue, varicose veins.  The veins could mean copper is too high or too low.  I do supplement both zinc and copper but in a good ratio.  But it is a good point.  
Posted by: Loops, Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 8:39pm; Reply: 129
hello again -

So Ruthie I think you are right about my thyroid.  Today and yesterday I took my temperature and it is 96.6!!  This is horribly low!  I will make another appointment with the doctor asap and ask for more thorough thyroid testing.  Interestingly I haven't noticed feeling very cold and we are going into Winter here in Chile.  I DID feel cold on my previous high fat low carb diet though...but my temps were higher.  How weird is that??

Still trucking along with the diet.  This is taking a lot of faith in a doctor I've never met....but I have tried everything else and end up sicker and heavier in the end.  I hope I am doing the right thing.  Thanks for everybody's support and patience with me moaning on!
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 9:40pm; Reply: 130
ahem sorry did ya got me well??) I mentioned that copper overload can be the culprit of all the mentioned issues and that  zink is the therapeutic reply here....
but also a stress rsponse of HTA-axis might play a role... manno why don't people listen to the words ??) ;)...grrr..especially in O's the stress response is different then to all other b-types...

but here also so called adrenal fatigue could mascque all issues, then go for adequate supps  :)... mentioned in other threads ........
Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 12:59pm; Reply: 131
hello -

yes I said that I was aware of the copper issue and had been supplementing zinc - ended up with a copper deficiency - now I supplement them both in a good ratio.  I am aware of adrenal fatigue as well -thanks.  But the zinc issue you REALLY have to be careful with.  I oversupplemented zinc for a long time and made everything 10 times worse in the long run because I then became low in both copper and iron.  It wasn't until I started bringing these levels up that things started to get better.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 1:41pm; Reply: 132
It all comes down to age..

at 20 a full plate, at 40 halve a plate, at 60 a quarter, by 70 less .. hahaha  

The only thing allowed to eat for the remaining space on the plate is lettuce.

Unless you try a tbs extra light olive oil in place of snacking. One hour away from food...

Or / IF the oil does not reduce the hunger pangs (or feel wrong) then it can be done with sugarwater as well, so long as it is one hour away from any food "taste" on either side..

What is nice about this, is that it provides choice and is not as harmful as is hunger.  

++++ I got up in the middle of the night -surprised- at how powerful oil can be for the brain... just Olive oil? it keeps changing my live.  On days when I do not make time to take the oil (in between), I am over eating!  
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