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Posted by: BCgal, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 1:02am
Has anyone else had a hard time accepting what SWAMIXpress  labeled them as?  For the last couple of years it told me I was a Gatherer.  No problem with that as that's what I figured I was.  It finally made sense to me how hubby and I could both be O's and yet be so different.  Him being a Hunter and me a Gatherer fit so right.  When I reran my SWAMI in Sept. it now has me as a Hunter.  I'm really having a hard time getting my head around this because Gatherer fits me so well.  It changed alot of my food around and upped my portions, which I don't need as I'm still trying to loose more weight.

  Just wondered if anyone else had a similar situation and how things worked out for them.
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 1
Mine has changed a few times - but I am happiest as a warrior - a vegan warrior - which is what my current label is. I have also been a teacher and explorer. Warrior is where I belong. My advice would be try it and see how it fits, also go back and check that you didn't accidentaly change something you didn't mean too. At one point I thought I was lactose intolerant - but it was something else upsetting my stomache. Let your body speak to you  :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 2
why not email swami support and detail all the input you changed when rerunning swami?
swamixpress@northamericanpharmacal.com
you ll not be going around in circles this way and you ll be given a targeted opinion

we are all swami users here and have little say on the algorithms and variables implied in the software
Posted by: Adopted4, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:36am; Reply: 3
SWAMI changing someones genotype is not uncommon. I'm a pretty even mixture of Warrior and Teacher with some Explorer characteristics (slow liver acetylation). My SWAMI first labeled me as a 40% Warrior, but I hadn't initially done the Meyer's Briggs personality test. After entering my MB personality assessment as an ISF-J, when I reran my SWAMI with the updated information at labeled me a 38% Teacher. Warrior seemed to fit me well due to my height, egghead, jawline, and a few other parameters. Apparently though, the various personality parameters, the RH negative status, and my overgrowth/immune problems solidly pointed to Teacher. Some parameters are stronger indicators than others.

So bottom line, I can honestly say I'm a mutt by genotype standards! Don't fret about it. Just go with it!
Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 9:37am; Reply: 4
Try not to get too locked up with the labels. Books are forced to create categories. Software can synthesize infinite variations. If you compare what SWAMI gives as a specific instance of a Teacher diet with the Teacher diet in the GTD book, you will see there is a lot of individual variation. This is especially true of the Explorer. SWAMI is much less hung up of hard categorizations.
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:58pm; Reply: 5
So true. I try to encourage friends who type as Explorers to get SWAMI. The SWAMI Explorer food lists are plentiful but not the GTD book. I typed as Gatherer and then SWAMI put me as Explorer.
My initial reaction to being "SWAMIED" as an Explorer was that I almost burst into tears until I reasoned with myself to look at what SWAMI would give me as opposed to the book....and, I was absolutely delighted...no need to go hunting for quail eggs (LOL)!  :)
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 4:54pm; Reply: 6
YES the LABEL for me is all I need, as it forgives me my eating wishfulness, my lack of discipline, my cravings, my big belly..  :o

IF I got a new label I would totally fall apart..  ::)

But I understand that Swami without labels might be interesting..

BUT Dr. D.. (if you return) I was told by the office staff that the %tige numbers have no meaning.. so I pay no attention.. I am 42 % Gatherer... what would be the other 48%?  I guess a mix of all the others?   Such as just enough of a %tige from (moms B) so that I can have some heavy cream and not double over...  but gain weight?  

Maybe I should start drinking milk again to feel awful  :X when I did, I was skinny (younger too and miserably in pain :()   but would I stop eating??

Its almost worth a try.. it's been 35 years since I discovered that K factor in milk is bad for me.
Posted by: prunella, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 5:55pm; Reply: 7
Funny how powerful language or"naming" can be. I have adopted my Explorer identity. I was just not able to live up to my former Hunter self.

Really it's the food list that matters.  I'd much rather hunt for kefalotyri cheese than exercise like a Hunter.   8)
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 10:23pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Goldie
Maybe I should start drinking milk again to feel awful  :X when I did, I was skinny (younger too and miserably in pain :()   but would I stop eating??

You'd probably get the pain without the weight loss - at least until you totally messed up the gut so you weren't absorbing adequate nutrients...
Posted by: DoS, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 11:11pm; Reply: 9
The percentages are the worst thing for SWAMI. I think maybe the worst thing since talking about potential reasons for blood type development throughout history in the first book. Neither are inaccurate, or wrong, etc, but they are too easy to be confused.

Hunters and Gatherers are relatively impossible to confuse physically.
Posted by: BCgal, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 11:35pm; Reply: 10
Thank you everyone for your input.  I really appreciate it.

I get it about the label thing.  By the book I figured I was a Gatherer and SWAMI said I was a Gatherer for 2 years.  But I guess I can't understand what it was that all of a sudden changed me.  Also that my husband as a SWAMIed Hunter has the metabolism of a Hunter and I have the metabolism of a Gatherer.  Our food lists are similar in some ways and different in others.  I have more health issues that he does, plus I'm a Nonnie.  I still want to loose about 20 more lbs. and yet my portions have been increased from when SWAMI said I was a Gatherer, and I'm supposed to eat more than him, who has no weight issues, and if he does he just cuts out sugar for a couple of weeks and bang, he's lost 10 lbs. For me it's a constant battle to maintain weight, let alone lose it.

  I was feeling so great for a long time and the weight came off relatively easy for me during that time. (80 lbs.)  It was great to feel that things were finally working for me. I went off track for about 6 weeks, and gained 15 lbs back.  Even though I've been back to being very compliant, nothing is budging.

Now I'm dealing with liver congestion and excess cortisol, which has thrown me back to the long years I had of feeling lousy and no energy.  Don't know what I did or didn't do to cause this.  Especially since I've been so very compliant. I'm working on both those issues and hoping it's not going to take too long to get them under control.  Hoping the weight loss will kick back in when things are working properly again.

Sorry for venting everyone.  I know my issues are minor compared to some of you, and for that I apologize for my trivial concerns.

On a lighter note: I was watching a movie yesterday where a couple was offered some sugary dessert at the dinner table and the man said "No thanks, we eat Right for our Blood Type and sugar compromises our immune system."  
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:45am; Reply: 11
If you had a sudden chance in health - check for hidden ingredients in the food you eat. Companies change formulas and something that may not have had wheat or something else in it orginally may now contain it. I have become a label reading expert :) You also may want to check for other names for things that are avoids.  You may be eating avoids and not realize it because it is labeled as something else. Just trying to help :)
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:46am; Reply: 12
BCgal, I am a SWAMIED Hunter.  I bought a SWAMI and ran it on my own and had a strong Hunter percentage.  Then I went to see Dr. Nash.  She was sure I was an Explorer but my SWAMI Pro came out Hunter again.  I have a lot more information and tried to input it into my SWAMI Xpress and it still came out Hunter.  I think Dr. Nash's instincts were right and I should be an Explorer, given the fact that I am a slow acetylator and am toxic in lead and mercury, I have an extremely rare blood antigen and I have an odd fingerprint usually associated with Explorer - I think it is a radial loop but can't remember.

Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that sometimes it is best to follow your gut.  There could be some piece of information that you are missing that would have kept you as a Gatherer.  If the Gatherer diet was working for you, why change?  You can also change the portion sizes and amounts of food.  I forget the name of the field in SWAMI but you can control that somewhat.  Congratulations on all the weight loss!!! I wonder if that alone could have changed your genotype?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, December 23, 2012, 2:51pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Patty H
I have an odd fingerprint usually associated with Explorer - I think it is a radial loop


Hi,  are you left handed?  Using the book, I first tested Warrior, then I re measured and must have done something wrong..and came out Teacher.  I gave up and went to see Dr. D so that I would follow the right diet. He said I was a Warrior.  He knew my father's blood type AB+ so he knew my father was the Warrior and I have his genes as well as just by looking at me. He said our trademark is the long head.   Knowing your parents' blood type helps the docs a lot.
Posted by: BCgal, Monday, December 24, 2012, 1:32am; Reply: 14
Thanks for the input VeganWarrior & Patty H.   I appreciate everyone's comments.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, December 24, 2012, 5:23am; Reply: 15
I don't understand what compels SWAMI users to re-run their reports in the first place.

I think I waited two years before running it more times, and it was only because Lola suggested that I try running it as a "Non-Secretor," rather than "Unknown."  And then I got curious to see how it would respond by checking off diabetes.  No matter what, I was labeled Explorer, and surprisingly there wasn't a noticeable difference in my food selections.
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, December 24, 2012, 8:34am; Reply: 16
Quoted from 815


Hi,  are you left handed?  Using the book, I first tested Warrior, then I re measured and must have done something wrong..and came out Teacher.  I gave up and went to see Dr. D so that I would follow the right diet. He said I was a Warrior.  He knew my father's blood type AB+ so he knew my father was the Warrior and I have his genes as well as just by looking at me. He said our trademark is the long head.   Knowing your parents' blood type helps the docs a lot.


No - I am right handed.  I assume my father was an O.  He has been deceased for many years.  My mother is an A.  I have two siblings who are A's and my brother and I are O's, so I assume he must have been an O.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, December 24, 2012, 2:41pm; Reply: 17
Your father might have been an A or a B. All you know for sure is that both parents had O alleles to pass along. Mom was AO, dad could have been BO, AO, or OO.

If the SWAMI portion sizes feel intuitively wrong, then eat smaller portions. Did your food list change?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, December 24, 2012, 3:04pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Patty H


No - I am right handed.  I assume my father was an O.  He has been deceased for many years.  My mother is an A.  I have two siblings who are A's and my brother and I are O's, so I assume he must have been an O.


I had a little trouble trying to figure out if my sister was a Warrior or an Explorer because she was born left handed, but she's tall and has a lot of the attributes of a Warrior like a long head.  She loves meat though. I never really liked meat..except chicken and turkey.  I'd like to have Dr. D genotype her.
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, December 24, 2012, 7:14pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Your father might have been an A or a B. All you know for sure is that both parents had O alleles to pass along. Mom was AO, dad could have been BO, AO, or OO.

If the SWAMI portion sizes feel intuitively wrong, then eat smaller portions. Did your food list change?


Thanks, Ruthie.  I assumed because O is recessive one of my parents had to be an O.  I need to dig up that blood type chart here on the forum.
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 4:08am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Dr. D
Try not to get too locked up with the labels.
I'm memorizing this, a rule for free thinking, tolerance, creativity, development. Thanks BCgal and Dr. D !  :)

Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 4:10am; Reply: 21
Quoted from BCgal
On a lighter note: I was watching a movie yesterday where a couple was offered some sugary dessert at the dinner table and the man said "No thanks, we eat Right for our Blood Type and sugar compromises our immune system."  
Awesome! What movie?  :D

Posted by: Green Root, Friday, December 28, 2012, 4:01pm; Reply: 22
This is a very interesting conversation! :)

My wife came out as B+. Her mother is A+ and an elder sister, too. So her father must be B, as his father is O- and mother was AB+.

I really thought before I knew about my wife's grandmother's AB-ness that she was A like her sister and mother. But no :D well, she flushes easily like her mother... and she likes vegetarian food like her A+ relatives.

Well, my parents are O both and they taught my to be semivegetarian... ;)

Somehow I feel quite many healthy people get quite well without red meat, although they were O or B blood type. Well, not SO many O type individuals, but anyway. If you exercise properly, it can forgive many lacks in the diet. And if you eat properly, it can forgive some lacks in the exercise... do you agree?
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, December 28, 2012, 4:45pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Green Root
Somehow I feel quite many healthy people get quite well without red meat, although they were O or B blood type. Well, not SO many O type individuals, but anyway. If you exercise properly, it can forgive many lacks in the diet. And if you eat properly, it can forgive some lacks in the exercise... do you agree?

The body has many mechanisms for "give and take".  Some people who have never had a major illness or trauma do quite well on a heavy avoid diet, as the body have the capacity to process lots of junk.
  
When a person has a major illness, the body has to divert energy from processing the junk to kill the "germ" and heal the illness.  If the person continues to eat a high percentage avoid diet, the body may not have enough reserve capacity to recover fully and this starts the onset of many diseases that are mostly due to build-up the toxins in the body.

When a person has a traumatic accident, it is possible to have nerve damage or other stresses that don't allow the body to function normally and then the onset diseases start...

Sometimes it is possible to clean up the diet, even years later, to the point that the body can start to clean up and heal very old injuries.  It depends on the extent of the injuries done to that point and how effective the person is at using diet, exercise, and targeted supplementation to help the body rebuild the "problem" systems.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 29, 2012, 10:18pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from ABJoe
Sometimes it is possible to clean up the diet, even years later, to the point that the body can start to clean up and heal very old injuries.
This is most fascinating, a marvel.

Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 5:11am; Reply: 25
Very interesting conversation here.
I recently re-ran my swami because my Mom insists her Dad died from a heart related problem, not pancreatic cancer. I had to change this on my swami.
I went to re-edit, but before changing anything, re-ran as was. It changed my 40% teacher to 39%! I then changed the health data and it said the same.
I decided to re-check some other points...neutral or andric leg/ ethnicicity..
If I change southern European to western, I become 39% Explorer.
If I change legs to neutral, I become 39% Explorer.
The very first time I ran my swami I came out 39% Explorer. I did decide to change the legs and ethnicicity to andric and southern and came out 40% Teacher.
The only reason I changed was because of some confusion on the leg opening..and the fact that I have equally western and southern European ancestry.
Anyway, there is no way to get back my 40% teacher, so I am literally caught in between teacher and explorer..39%/38%.
I am choosing to stay with teacher (torso/leg ratio/ very sinewy), for now, as it has "worked"...but I have always known about my explorer strengths.(fingerprints, brach head, asymmetry)
My O- dad is an explorer. My A+ Mom is explorer or warrior...can't be sure.
I agree about the labels and percentages... :-/ confusing sometimes.
Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 5:14am; Reply: 26
sorry...need to edit.
I was 41% teacher but swami has changed me to 39% teacher. ::)
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 5:32am; Reply: 27
Quoted from cajun
sorry...need to edit.
I was 41% teacher but swami has changed me to 39% teacher. ::)

This is an insignificant change...   ::)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 6:44pm; Reply: 28
I have to wonder- when SWAMI calls you Explorer or SWAMI calls you Teacher- how much do the food lists actually change?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 7:36pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I have to wonder- when SWAMI calls you Explorer or SWAMI calls you Teacher- how much do the food lists actually change?


The change in food lists is often slight.

But it can also be a very dramatic change.
Posted by: Adopted4, Thursday, January 3, 2013, 1:37am; Reply: 30
When SWAMI changed my genotype from 39% Warrior to 38% Teacher, many of my dairy foods changed dramatically. Many avoid cheeses became superfoods and many previous superfood cheeses became black dot. Coconut oil also went from avoid to superfood. These changes were due to SWAMI recognizing a gut microbial potential problem which often exists in tolerant genotypes such as Teacher. The other changes were less significant upgrades or downgrades from one category up or down.

My understanding of Explorer diets is that it's more restrictive than any other type, so I imagine changing genotypes from or to Explorer is going to result in significant changes in food lists.
Posted by: Green Root, Thursday, January 3, 2013, 9:01am; Reply: 31
Well, my genotype one is not so tolerant...

...but as I however have my worldview as Receptor because of my 8 whorl type fingerprints, could a small-very-tiny amount of very good-quality coconut oil be good? At least topically but also internally?

I KNOW I don't tolerate big amounts so well. I feel some strange feeling in my thyroid I have not in any other situations. My mom and her mom had thyroid problems, but that's not so probable for me as I am male... but anyway, because I may not have so effective immune system as many other Hunters could I every now and then take little amounts coconut oil as treatment? ;D

Besides there is a little uncertainty about my secretor status which I have tested only once via saliva test. But in whole I think secretor is after all more probable for me than non-secretor.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, January 3, 2013, 5:06pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Green Root
...could a small-very-tiny amount of very good-quality coconut oil be good? At least topically but also internally?

I KNOW I don't tolerate big amounts so well. I feel some strange feeling in my thyroid I have not in any other situations. My mom and her mom had thyroid problems, but that's not so probable for me as I am male... but anyway, because I may not have so effective immune system as many other Hunters could I every now and then take little amounts coconut oil as treatment?

The general consensus is that you can use avoids topically, as long as it isn't in an area where it may be accidentally ingested.  Since your body lets you know that coconut oil isn't good for you internally, which matches SWAMI, then I would not use it.  
Of course, you are master of your diet and can choose to eat whatever you want to subject your body to. ;)
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, January 3, 2013, 10:20pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from ABJoe

The body has many mechanisms for "give and take".  Some people who have never had a major illness or trauma do quite well on a heavy avoid diet, as the body have the capacity to process lots of junk.
  
When a person has a major illness, the body has to divert energy from processing the junk to kill the "germ" and heal the illness.  If the person continues to eat a high percentage avoid diet, the body may not have enough reserve capacity to recover fully and this starts the onset of many diseases that are mostly due to build-up the toxins in the body.

When a person has a traumatic accident, it is possible to have nerve damage or other stresses that don't allow the body to function normally and then the onset diseases start...

Sometimes it is possible to clean up the diet, even years later, to the point that the body can start to clean up and heal very old injuries.  It depends on the extent of the injuries done to that point and how effective the person is at using diet, exercise, and targeted supplementation to help the body rebuild the "problem" systems.


It totally agree with this because I feel like my life basically has lived this.  When I was a young boy, I didn't eat very much and was very picky.  And my Mom made good food.  I was a typical kid and liked sweets, but I was drawn to foods that are good for my blood type.  I've always loved turkey, but fish even more. My Mom said she couldn't believe that I liked broccoli, but I did.  We lived with a lot of stress.  I was not unhealthy physically, but my Dad was an alcoholic and I believe we lived with a lot of stress.  

Then as a teenager, I had a different Dad, who was not an alcoholic and a little easier to live with.  I was in sports, and I ate like a horse.  I could eat anything.  I did notice too much starch and sugar in the morning would give me blood sugar crashes. But that was the extent of maladies.  Into in my 20's I ate just about anything and didn't have too much problems.  I could eat boy.  

Then, about 5 years ago, stresses of having a sick kid, dealing with in laws, work stress, lack of sleep, and lymes disease and BAM:  I couldn't eat whatever I wanted to any longer.  No, my body got real picky about what it felt like after eating foods.  And I had to get strict and eat good, nourishing foods that are good for my Blood type.  Well, the best diet for me has been my swami.  

FWIW, I've been a teacher, explorer and Nomad.  And I really am a blend of all of them.  I'm a Nomad now, but it's not the whole picture.

BCGal, maybe you are more of a Gatherer, but you swami just have something checked that isn't completely you.  I say you have to do whatever works.  If the Gatherer diet was better, maybe you should go back to whatever your old lists were.  Just a thought.  

Posted by: Spring, Friday, January 4, 2013, 2:32am; Reply: 34
Quoted from SquarePeg
I don't understand what compels SWAMI users to re-run their reports in the first place.

I think I waited two years before running it more times, and it was only because Lola suggested that I try running it as a "Non-Secretor," rather than "Unknown."  And then I got curious to see how it would respond by checking off diabetes.  No matter what, I was labeled Explorer, and surprisingly there wasn't a noticeable difference in my food selections.


My SWAMI has danced around a few times. It gave me tomatoes, then it took them away and now they are back. And besides that, there is no way that I can eat them and not suffer considerably! Some people lose weight, and, if they are like me, they find that Big SWAMI will take away the amount you can eat so you will continue to lose! I lost a LOT of fruit after losing a few pounds! But I still have more than enough. I do like to lose weight! (smile)
Posted by: cajun, Friday, January 4, 2013, 6:00am; Reply: 35
Joe,
The significance to me is that now I am literally split..38%/39% between being an explorer or a teacher... ::)

Ruthie,
The 2 food lists are similar ....the major differences are:
as a teacher I get chicken eggs as a superfood / neutral as explorer
"          " no red meat at all..all are avoids/ lamb is neutral as explorer
poultry and seafood are almost the same for both
I get completely different cheeses for each but only one is a teacher superfood where 3 are super for explorer
vegetable proteins are abundant as teacher/ more limited as explorer
oils are similar
carbs are a little mixed, some similar
less live foods as teacher/ a lot for explorer
berries, lemons for both but the rest of fruit is mixed up
spices are mixed
condiments and teas (except green) are different
soy, rice and almond milk are neutrals as teacher/ all avoids as explorer
teacher serving frequency says 4x (fruits) or 3x(turkey)...explorer says 3x and 2x

Both diets emphasize cell detox and de-emphasize allergens, high mold/pesticide
Both say I have a reactive world view
There are 5 calculator points for explorer/ only 3 for teacher
There are 6 first strength pass for explorer/ only 4 for teacher
Both have 4 second pass

I honestly prefer my swami teachers food list....
I may change to my swami explorer just to see if my body reacts any differently. ??)
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