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Posted by: marjorie, Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:52pm
So, now I am concerned that I might be allergic to chicken. Today, I had a grill chick breast from wf and a 3 pieces of Goji berry crunch which said it was gluten free from the buld section.

Well, I was itchy eyes, stomach bloated and my head hurt. I have had the "energy crunch before". I noticed if I eat anything outside of my house, either I have major anxiety or I am not feeling well with chicken. This happended the other day when I had chicken also.

I feel like I have more energy than before when I was going raw, but on the other hand, I am frustrated about the blurry vision and not feeling well physically when I eat the meat.

Anyhow, looks like I am going to stick to the fish.

Anyone else have comments?
Posted by: Drea, Friday, November 2, 2012, 11:59pm; Reply: 1
I don't do well on chicken, either. Try turkey instead.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 12:58am; Reply: 2
I'm biased against chicken due to lectin content bothering my B-ness...  I choose turkey for my poultry, but I mix in some lamb, beef liver and several different fish...
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 2:52am; Reply: 3
ok, I will get some turkey... definitely think something is not right when I eat chicken.

Aw, man, tonight I had some cod and veggies around 5 but I was still hungry, and totally gave in to eating two pears... :( I felt yucky afterwards, but at least it was a beneficial on my hunter profile.

Still, it was out of reluctance to start studying that I ate it. Tomorrow is a new day and new beginnning. I still cant figure out why I keep torturing myself and hurting my body by eating the fruit. Something is off here...
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 3:18am; Reply: 4
Quoted from marjorie
ok, I will get some turkey... definitely think something is not right when I eat chicken.

Aw, man, tonight I had some cod and veggies around 5 but I was still hungry, and totally gave in to eating two pears... :( I felt yucky afterwards, but at least it was a beneficial on my hunter profile.

Still, it was out of reluctance to start studying that I ate it. Tomorrow is a new day and new beginnning. I still cant figure out why I keep torturing myself and hurting my body by eating the fruit. Something is off here...


Money might be tight, but I highly recommend that you get a SWAMI. Some people just don't do as well on the "by the book GTD"...

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 3:58am; Reply: 5
It could be an additive to the chicken. Did you cook it yourself from raw chicken or was it precooked or prespiced? As far as the Goji berry crunch, glutein free doesn't mean corn free.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:49pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Drea


Money might be tight, but I highly recommend that you get a SWAMI. Some people just don't do as well on the "by the book GTD"...



Hi
I did a swami and it says chicken is a beneficial for me. I need to look at the ingredients of the other stuff I ate that day.

I am 67 hunter... so I know I am suppose to eat alot more meat than I am getting.. working on it but a little hard with money!
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
It could be an additive to the chicken. Did you cook it yourself from raw chicken or was it precooked or prespiced? As far as the Goji berry crunch, glutein free doesn't mean corn free.


It had black pepper on it, but I dont think that would make me so "fuzzy". It was precooked and I did not cook it.. just bought it at the counter at WF.

what about canola oil?

BTD says I can have it, but my swami says to avoid.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:53pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from marjorie
what about canola oil?

BTD says I can have it, but my swami says to avoid.

SWAMI is more personalized, so I would follow that rating!
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:58pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from marjorie
Aw, man, tonight I had some cod and veggies around 5 but I was still hungry, and totally gave in to eating two pears... :( I felt yucky afterwards, but at least it was a beneficial on my hunter profile.

Still, it was out of reluctance to start studying that I ate it. Tomorrow is a new day and new beginnning. I still cant figure out why I keep torturing myself and hurting my body by eating the fruit. Something is off here...

Are you getting enough to eat?  
Have you looked at the portion amounts and frequency recommendations compared to what you are eating?
I know you've stated that you haven't been eating enough meat, but is that all you are short on?  The meat can have an affect on how well you are thinking, but this seems like an overall energy shortage or that when you eat something beneficial that you are doing some cleaning that makes you feel yucky...
Posted by: D.L., Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:59pm; Reply: 10
I've been wondering about chicken myself for quite a while because of how I feel after eating it. I'm super allergic to eggs and chicken feathers, but there may not be a connection with the meat itself. Still ...?
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 8:09pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ABJoe

Are you getting enough to eat?  
Have you looked at the portion amounts and frequency recommendations compared to what you are eating?
I know you've stated that you haven't been eating enough meat, but is that all you are short on?  The meat can have an affect on how well you are thinking, but this seems like an overall energy shortage or that when you eat something beneficial that you are doing some cleaning that makes you feel yucky...


Good Point. Probably not. I usually have egg whites and veggies for breakfast, salad with fish for lunch and salad with veggies for dinner ( some protein). Maybe some nuts here and there. This would be fine if I was not LIVING:) However, I am working out 6 days a week... plus school seems to consume alot of calories ( the studying takes up energy).

I am not sure though,  maybe I am fooling myself and we really do not need to eat that much from the research I have been doing.

Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 8:34pm; Reply: 12
I gave up chicken and turkey last month (along with grapefruit and anything containing sulphites) and have never been better to be honest. I even increased my grains and am doing well. If your body is showing clear signs of intolerance I would eliminate it for the time being. I would get flushing, dermatitis and heart flutters eating the above mentioned but always thought it was because I had too many grains that day.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 8:52pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from gardengirl
I gave up chicken and turkey last month (along with grapefruit and anything containing sulphites) and have never been better to be honest. I even increased my grains and am doing well. If your body is showing clear signs of intolerance I would eliminate it for the time being. I would get flushing, dermatitis and heart flutters eating the above mentioned but always thought it was because I had too many grains that day.


Interesting... and I do not do well on grains, so I think I am doomed for just vegetables with a little home cooked fish now and then.

I appreciate hearing your perspective:)
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 9:43pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from marjorie
so I think I am doomed for just vegetables with a little home cooked fish now and then.

I think you are going to need more animal protein and good fat than to just eat fish "now and then"...

Again, look at SWAMI and attempt to get the portions suggested.  You may need some probiotics for Type O to get you "working" well...
Posted by: Mother, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 10:25pm; Reply: 15
I need fats more than anything. I eat about 60 g protein, 30 g carbs from green veggies and the rest fats.I eat more fish than meats or poultry and more turkey than chicken. I seem to need almost exactly 60 g protein spread throughout the day into 5 or 6 small meals but right about the time I hit 60, I don't want any more. I use homemade mayo to dip veggies in and olive oil for 2 salads a day. My snacks are veggies dipped in the mayo or a few nuts/seeds. I'm at around 1300 cals. I walk briskly for 20 min in the am and after dinner, no hard core workouts. This combo keeps my blood sugar stable. Large meals, hard work outs, too much protein at one time all wack out my blood sugar. It's a pain but it works
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:36am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Mother
I need fats more than anything. I eat about 60 g protein, 30 g carbs from green veggies and the rest fats.I eat more fish than meats or poultry and more turkey than chicken. I seem to need almost exactly 60 g protein spread throughout the day into 5 or 6 small meals but right about the time I hit 60, I don't want any more. I use homemade mayo to dip veggies in and olive oil for 2 salads a day. My snacks are veggies dipped in the mayo or a few nuts/seeds. I'm at around 1300 cals. I walk briskly for 20 min in the am and after dinner, no hard core workouts. This combo keeps my blood sugar stable. Large meals, hard work outs, too much protein at one time all wack out my blood sugar. It's a pain but it works


Thanks. I definitely need more of something, and it could be the fats. What is your mayo recipe?
Do you ever eat fruit at all?

I think starting to prepare my small portions might work for me... I seem to be hungry every two-3 hours.. which can be annoying, but I have to listen to my body, right?
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:41am; Reply: 17
Quoted from ABJoe

I think you are going to need more animal protein and good fat than to just eat fish "now and then"...

Again, look at SWAMI and attempt to get the portions suggested.  You may need some probiotics for Type O to get you "working" well...


THanks.. I am not sure if I can afford it. I am barely making it now with my stipend and I am not even buying alot of meat. I did get some fish today ( canned salmon and tuna) so this should be ok for the week. I also bought eggs... now, that is exciting:)

Swami recommends like 9 portions of meat... it says I am 60% hunter, so I need to eat alot of it... to be "stable" and productive. I guess I will do the best I can and hope for the rest to fall into place. Cant stress too much because my doctoral program is stressful enough without adding food into the equation. Make sense?
Posted by: Mother, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 12:59pm; Reply: 18
Mayo recipe, over time I have greatly simplified it. So now it's just one egg and a half tsp sea salt. blend in blender about 20 sec until the egg is frothy and slowly drizzle a cup of olive oil in. done. you can add herbs or spices to it which I do occasionally but mostly it's just regular now.
Fruit, not so much. A bite here or there but in the begining of summer I was eating more berries and found fruit is not a great friend of mine. I just felt kind of off. I do like a bite or two of apple with almond butter but I don't buy fruit anymore so it's rare that I have it. I do prepare 2 salads and 3 romaine lettuce wraps with proteins and onions and mayo or olive oil and a container of broc, celery scallions and a radish or two every morning and put them in my tupperwares. Then they either come with me in a cooler or put on a plate to eat at home but for the most part, my days worth of food is made ready to eat all in the morning. I too find I am hungry often and have to eat regularly. I have tried numerous times to change that but it just makes me feel unbalanced. This system works for me or I am like you, stressing all the time, obsessing, etc. Now I try to do everything as simply as possible. I also pkg meats/poulty in serving sized baggies and just defrost what I need for the day in cold water. Alot of my meals are cold but dinner is usually some cooked fish and a salad. I precook and freeze alot. I even precook lamb chops, freeze, then defrost and throw on a salad. There was a time I would have thought cold lamb was gross but now I just eat the right foods and don't worry about preperation. hot/cold/whatever.  Sounds to me like you need more fat, especially if you are low on protein. Low carb, moderate protein and the rest healthy fat. That's my ticket. Healthy fat is a major important part of my diet. Keeps the weight off and the energy on.
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 1:52pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Mother
Mayo recipe, over time I have greatly simplified it. So now it's just one egg and a half tsp sea salt. blend in blender about 20 sec until the egg is frothy and slowly drizzle a cup of olive oil in. done. you can add herbs or spices to it which I do occasionally but mostly it's just regular now.
Fruit, not so much. A bite here or there but in the begining of summer I was eating more berries and found fruit is not a great friend of mine. I just felt kind of off. I do like a bite or two of apple with almond butter but I don't buy fruit anymore so it's rare that I have it. I do prepare 2 salads and 3 romaine lettuce wraps with proteins and onions and mayo or olive oil and a container of broc, celery scallions and a radish or two every morning and put them in my tupperwares. Then they either come with me in a cooler or put on a plate to eat at home but for the most part, my days worth of food is made ready to eat all in the morning. I too find I am hungry often and have to eat regularly. I have tried numerous times to change that but it just makes me feel unbalanced. This system works for me or I am like you, stressing all the time, obsessing, etc. Now I try to do everything as simply as possible. I also pkg meats/poulty in serving sized baggies and just defrost what I need for the day in cold water. Alot of my meals are cold but dinner is usually some cooked fish and a salad. I precook and freeze alot. I even precook lamb chops, freeze, then defrost and throw on a salad. There was a time I would have thought cold lamb was gross but now I just eat the right foods and don't worry about preperation. hot/cold/whatever.  Sounds to me like you need more fat, especially if you are low on protein. Low carb, moderate protein and the rest healthy fat. That's my ticket. Healthy fat is a major important part of my diet. Keeps the weight off and the energy on.


Thanks for the reply. I do not even have olive oil in the house, I need to get some. I usually just add to my salads if I get something at wf or the Willy co-op. I like the idea of keeping it simple, less stress! Sounds like you have your plan all set. I was once like this, however, I slacked lately. I do think I eat too many peppers, though. It might make me in alkaline state which is not good for me, in general. I will cut back on them.

I wish I had some yearning for red meat, but right now, I just dont. I also got rid of my george foreman, so I would have to cook the meat in my skillet, and it just never tastes good to me. I actually prefer any meat that I eat completely dry... almost crispy. Is that weird or what?

I will get EVO and then I will make a little dressing... hopefully I can do it without a blender, since I do not have that either. AND..... I do not own a microwave, so I need to make this lifestyle fit according to my resources as well.

Question: any thoughts on sweet potatoes? I dont think they are my fav.

This am I had a piece of foccacia flax bread ( I made it in the oven using one egg, and a tablespoon of left over evo), 2 egg whites. My bread was a big piece, but it is Sunday and I have not had that in forever!! Off to hot yoga, and then cardio kickboxing before I study.
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 1:56pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from marjorie


I will get EVO and then I will make a little dressing... hopefully I can do it without a blender, since I do not have that either.


I used to make homemade mayo by hand...it's possible, but takes a lot of forearm strength...Google it, it's been a long, long time since I made it that way.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:08pm; Reply: 21
I still say hot yoga is bad for you.

http://www.yogapoint.com/info/article9.htm
Posted by: Mother, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:14pm; Reply: 22
Drea is right, it can be done by hand but it's hard work, LOL. You should eat some healthy fats with your veggies as the nutrients in veggies are fat soluable. You won't be utilizing the nutrients without some fat. I don't mean GOB but a reasonable amount. I just use extra virgin oil and salt and herbs as my salad dressings, nothing fancy but they taste great. Actually, that's by far the way I prefer it.

Sweet potato- puts me to sleep. Love the flavor and all that you can do with them but out go my lights. I also don't eat any starch due to BS issues, and, they never agreed with me anyway. Veggies, all kinds of lean protein and olive oil are the major staples in my diet. An occasional bite of this that or the other but it seems to be the same thing day in and day out with the variety being most definately in the proteins. I always have romaine spinach purple onion artichoke celery brocolli carrot asparagus here and there, mayo, olive oil and a large variety of herbs. All my SWAMI avoid proteins I don't like anyway so I juat eat what I feel like. I don't eat red meats often and not in large quantities but I do need it a few times a week ( I do 2 oz at a time, so like 6 oz a week) lamb more than beef but I client gave me a rather large venison steak which I am very much looking forward to about 6 meals out of it. haha.

I used to eat a ton of peppers for years and now gained an intolerance to them, so no more. They were a great snack.

I also make a lot of soup and freeze. I use ground grass fed beef, saute and get as much fat off as possible and add an ounce or two to eat bowl then lots of veggies and broth. I used to crave burgers but not anymore. I find the saturated fat to be too heavy, hence the removal. Most of my fat is vegetable/ nut fat
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:29pm; Reply: 23
One of the best "appliances" I own (and the most versatile) is the Cuisinart Immersion Blender stick. I got mine at Costco, but I've seen them at Target, as well.

I use it to puree soups in the pot, as well as to make mayo. I also use it to make almond butter milk. Best $30 I've spent.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 7:19pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from marjorie
Question: any thoughts on sweet potatoes?

I like sweet potatoes any way I've ever eaten them, except with a topping of marshmallows...

I cook them in soup or stew, bake them whole, cut them up like fries or rounds and bake with a little oil...  I top baked sweet potatoes either complimenting the sweet or contrasting with some savory flavors.  Sweet - ghee, cinnamon, cardamom, etc...  Savory - plain yogurt, garlic, onion tops or chives, curry spices, etc...
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 7:53pm; Reply: 25
well, today I did hot yoga and then kickboxing. I was starving when I came home. I had a large salad with canned salmon, olive oil, and then half a piece of chicken breast.... still was hungry so I had some walnuts and two tablespoons of almond butter. Now, the guilt is kicking in...... but I bet I burned 1000 calories today at the gym.

Interesting about the peppers.. maybe I am better off without. I know carrots do a number of things to me and totally make me unstable.

I am just frustrated in general with eating and dieting. I might just take a break and not eat for awhile... I know I will not starve to death that is for sure.

:)
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 8:08pm; Reply: 26
and.. I totally think it was psychological and I really could have stopped eating after the salad with salmon. Very sad.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 10:10pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from marjorie
well, today I did hot yoga and then kickboxing. I was starving when I came home. I had a large salad with canned salmon, olive oil, and then half a piece of chicken breast.... still was hungry so I had some walnuts and two tablespoons of almond butter. Now, the guilt is kicking in...... but I bet I burned 1000 calories today at the gym.

Interesting about the peppers.. maybe I am better off without. I know carrots do a number of things to me and totally make me unstable.

I am just frustrated in general with eating and dieting. I might just take a break and not eat for awhile... I know I will not starve to death that is for sure.

:)

Possibly you were too hungry, ate too fast, so your body didn't catch up with you having enough - OR - you really did need that much food, but now you are feeling guilty because you THINK that you ate too much and can't maintain your artificially thin build???

I don't know you well enough to know, but remembering some of the issues you've had, I wonder if you're still fighting those "I'm too big worries", when there really isn't anything wrong with your size.
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 10:30pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ABJoe

Possibly you were too hungry, ate too fast, so your body didn't catch up with you having enough - OR - you really did need that much food, but now you are feeling guilty because you THINK that you ate too much and can't maintain your artificially thin build???

I don't know you well enough to know, but remembering some of the issues you've had, I wonder if you're still fighting those "I'm too big worries", when there really isn't anything wrong with your size.



Yes. I still struggle a little bit with ED. However, I think I ate too fast and probably feel guilty for not appreciating my food and chewing slowly. I was angry and I am not sure why... much to do with procrastination on starting my studies.

I think my weight is ok and it would take alot to really pack on the pounds... much more about how I felt so bloated afterwards.

Thanks for listening and replying, it really makes a difference for me.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 10:41pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from marjorie
I was angry and I am not sure why... much to do with procrastination on starting my studies.

There is a fine line between procrastination and getting some off-time away from books to avoid "studies burnout"...  I found I had to take Sunday off from the books to keep from entering the burnout zone when doing college year-round...  You have to find out what works for you.  

Just remember that you need good meals and adequate "fuel" intake to maintain healthy gut and brain function.  Never underestimate the need for good food on a regular schedule...

Anger won't help either instance, so it is always best to do the best you can without stressing over it.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 11:34pm; Reply: 30
Joe is very smart and it is a good idea to really listen to what he has to say...

Before BTD I used to obsess over counting calories to try to maintain my weight, it never worked. Now I eat what I want when I want it. Once in a while I over eat, it doesn't seem to make any difference, I stay the same size, or if I gain an ounce it's gone soon enough, it all balances out.

I too am in school. Sometimes I find it difficult to take a break, but I need breaks or I burn out.

I'm an exercise physiologist, hot yoga is not good for your joints, it softens and stretches the articular cartilage, which cannot bounce back.
Posted by: Mother, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 11:43pm; Reply: 31
Just remember, your body goes through cleansing times and rebuilding/nourishing times. We all have days when were hungrier than others. I allow myself to eat on the hungry days, obviously nourishing foods, and then there are days I'm not so hungry and I certainly don't jam food for the sake of it. I also have times, like between 3 and 4 that I am exceptionally hungry. That is the time I eat the largest. Follow your bodies lead. A large salad with salmon and a bit of olive oil with some nuts/butters is actually not a lot of food. Then you have to add in all the exercise. Your engine needs gas..LOL
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 5, 2012, 2:04am; Reply: 32
I eat baked sweet potato with ghee and crushed almonds every night as my dessert.  Love it!  And it makes me nicely sleepy at bedtime.

Marjorie, I don't know what your SWAMI advises, but my suspicion is that you are not getting nearly enough fat.  Unless you are especially making a point of eating fatty fish regularly.  I think a little dry poultry and dry fish and salads is going to leave anyone feeling unsatisfied.  And what is typically in your salads?  Are they loaded with good substantial foods?  An assortment of vegetables including dark green?  Sprouts, seeds?  Extra Virgin Olive Oil?  (I drizzle it on straight;  no complicated dressings needed)

It's likely that you don't get enough protein.  How about going back and checking on the SWAMI recommendations for all your food groups and see how your choices compare.  Of course you don't have to eat everything, or as much of everything as is recommended, but if you're in the habit of trying to rationalize why Dr. D's suggestions for you are not appropriate for you, I believe you will continue to be frustrated and out of balance.

I also don't think you get enough carbohydrates.  It does not have to be grains, but unless your SWAMI restricts grains, rethink that one.  No matter how much protein and veggies you eat, they won't replace the deep satisfaction that carefully chosen carbs will give you.
Posted by: marjorie, Monday, November 5, 2012, 2:32am; Reply: 33
Quoted from Victoria
I eat baked sweet potato with ghee and crushed almonds every night as my dessert.  Love it!  And it makes me nicely sleepy at bedtime.

Marjorie, I don't know what your SWAMI advises, but my suspicion is that you are not getting nearly enough fat.  Unless you are especially making a point of eating fatty fish regularly.  I think a little dry poultry and dry fish and salads is going to leave anyone feeling unsatisfied.  And what is typically in your salads?  Are they loaded with good substantial foods?  An assortment of vegetables including dark green?  Sprouts, seeds?  Extra Virgin Olive Oil?  (I drizzle it on straight;  no complicated dressings needed)

It's likely that you don't get enough protein.  How about going back and checking on the SWAMI recommendations for all your food groups and see how your choices compare.  Of course you don't have to eat everything, or as much of everything as is recommended, but if you're in the habit of trying to rationalize why Dr. D's suggestions for you are not appropriate for you, I believe you will continue to be frustrated and out of balance.

I also don't think you get enough carbohydrates.  It does not have to be grains, but unless your SWAMI restricts grains, rethink that one.  No matter how much protein and veggies you eat, they won't replace the deep satisfaction that carefully chosen carbs will give you.


Thank you so much. I think you are all so supportive, and I need to step back and see what is really going here.. it might be more that I am not eating enough of anything.

I also wonder if the flax bread this am, threw me off. I will write more tomorrow when I have some rest. I am questioning alot in my life right now, and food is one of them. However, I do know if I do not eat, then I cant think and how will I get through this program if I dont have good nourishing foods?? One thing was for sure today, I was not in a good frame of mind because my digestive process was off. And... when the gut hurts, then how can I think straight.


BALANCE, BALANCE is all I keep telling myself. IT is my new mantra:)  
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