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Posted by: aussielady582, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 4:13am
Hello - If anyone knows why pears are recommended over apples for 'hunter's, and carrots not recommended, also why green olives are advised over black olives, please can you write a quick note to inform us! not sure if it is because apples are high in fructose, or the chemicals sprayed on conventional apples.  also, carrots not high in omega 3 health fats, so yes, I do eat many leafy greens. With olives, is it because some black olives are preserved in unhealthy oils??
Also, do other hunters like sprouted breads like I do? I love it lightly steamed with topped with fruit sauteed in spices (ground aniseed, tumeric, cardamom, cinnamon), olive oil and ghee! so good for 'breaky' (am meal).
Can other hunter types let me know what your favourite cuts of beef are, for cooking stews and soups! thanks and regards.
ps   sorry, but I can't access swami, as use computer at public library.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 4:25am; Reply: 1
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for guidance if not able to purchase swami
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 9:16pm; Reply: 2
For stew and pot roast I think the most tender cut is chuck. Also, there is nothing like a good brisket! An underutilized cut of beef IMO.

I just posted my beef soup recipe using ground beef on the current thread discussing preparation methods for ground beef. I am a Hunter but swami allows me tomatoes and carrots. If you want more variety you might want to consider swami. So glad to have tomato as a neutral as it makes terrific soups and stews.

I do not believe pesticide sprays come into play for food values. If you access the Online Support tab at the top of the page and click Type Base Food Values you will find more specific reasons for avoid foods.

Lisa
Posted by: BluesSinger, Monday, November 5, 2012, 1:32pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Wholefoodie
For stew and pot roast I think the most tender cut is chuck. Also, there is nothing like a good brisket! An underutilized cut of beef IMO.

I just posted my beef soup recipe using ground beef on the current thread discussing preparation methods for ground beef. I am a Hunter but swami allows me tomatoes and carrots. If you want more variety you might want to consider swami. So glad to have tomato as a neutral as it makes terrific soups and stews.

I do not believe pesticide sprays come into play for food values. If you access the Online Support tab at the top of the page and click Type Base Food Values you will find more specific reasons for avoid foods.

Lisa


Ouuu.. Lisa.. can you provide the link to your recipe?!!!  
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Monday, November 5, 2012, 10:20pm; Reply: 4
Sure BluesSinger,

Here is a link to it from my blog although lately I have been using 2 pounds of ground beef, one large can of crushed tomatoes and two onions instead of one. I add extra broth if I need it, usually for leftovers if it needs more moisture. Very hearty!

http://www.lifeongreenlane.com/?p=1158

Also, my most recent post is a veal stew. Perfect for O's and also B compliant.

Lisa
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 2:30am; Reply: 5
Thankyou Lola, and Lisa for replying re cuts of beef.  I tried gravy beef on weekend, part was a bit tough, was in oven for about 2 hours.  Is it best to fry the beef in oil/ghee before placing in the oven? A local butcher said 'round steak' would be good; I did not buy any yet, I got lamb cutlets instead to fry quickly one day.  Tonight I will have some tinned organic trout (in can) as have been out all day and not home to make a good lunch meal today.  I also now have inflammation under my gumline (painful), so have been chewing on raw garlic, more lemon juice in water and one olive leaf capsule.  I really want to keep my system alkaline, today I feel acidic with headache and not in a good mood.  I also don't think I'll eat animal protein at night, would prefer to eat at a lunch time meal, as is too heavy for me at night, so I will keep experimenting; I know my ayurvedic doctors in the past said to have main meal at lunchtime, around midday due to stronger agni (digestive strength).  I think my digestive system is not as strong as it could be, possibly due to damage from faulty eating habits and gluten, sugar, etc. Thankyou for your comments and support, means a lot!  Regards, Amanda
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 2:52am; Reply: 6
Hi Amanda - tbh I would check re that trout... Is it from a trout "farm"? If so might be fed grains?!
I know that salmon can't even be classed as gluten free these days, because of what they are fed in the salmon farms ::)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 3:07am; Reply: 7
Quoted from aussielady582
Thankyou Lola, and Lisa for replying re cuts of beef.  I tried gravy beef on weekend, part was a bit tough, was in oven for about 2 hours.  Is it best to fry the beef in oil/ghee before placing in the oven? A local butcher said 'round steak' would be good; I did not buy any yet, I got lamb cutlets instead to fry quickly one day.  Tonight I will have some tinned organic trout (in can) as have been out all day and not home to make a good lunch meal today.  I also now have inflammation under my gumline (painful), so have been chewing on raw garlic, more lemon juice in water and one olive leaf capsule.  I really want to keep my system alkaline, today I feel acidic with headache and not in a good mood.  I also don't think I'll eat animal protein at night, would prefer to eat at a lunch time meal, as is too heavy for me at night, so I will keep experimenting; I know my ayurvedic doctors in the past said to have main meal at lunchtime, around midday due to stronger agni (digestive strength).  I think my digestive system is not as strong as it could be, possibly due to damage from faulty eating habits and gluten, sugar, etc. Thankyou for your comments and support, means a lot!  Regards, Amanda


Hang in there Amanda.. it will get better... takes awhile for the body to heal after years of damage.. but it will heal!!!!
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 3:30am; Reply: 8
Hello Possum - thought I'd reply before I log off today, I appreciate your comment and writing to me.  The trout is from Peru, I bought it at health food shop, organic trout, I like it, but don't have it much, as I prefer fresh fish, feel sardines safer.  Perhaps you could be right, I could write to manufacturer.  Yes, I know, I am concerned about farmed salmon too, don't know if corn/soy/grain is fed to fish, and I don't know about ddt or other toxin levels.  I feel I am finding it hard to maintain my omega balance of fats, but good news, I have managed to gain a little weight for the first time in 4 years, I am now 48.8 kg, which is still underweight for my height (5 feet 7 inches).  I don't think I am supposed to eat olives or avocadoes though, which I've been enjoying.  I guess I should stick with leafy greens, broccoli.  If any other hunter types have favourite salads, pls let me know of ideas, esp if I should not have olives and avocados.  I used to use miso as I like salty taste, now I put some umebushi paste in salad instead.  Are other type O' and Hunters having rice still?   I must go now, I'll check in another day for any comments.  regards and thankyou, Amanda
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 3:33am; Reply: 9
all types of rice......swami is a great tool
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 5:52am; Reply: 10
Quoted from Wholefoodie
...Here is a link to it from my blog although lately I have been using 2 pounds of ground beef, one large can of crushed tomatoes and two onions instead of one. I add extra broth if I need it, usually for leftovers if it needs more moisture. Very hearty!

http://www.lifeongreenlane.com/?p=1158

Also, my most recent post is a veal stew. Perfect for O's and also B compliant.

Lisa

Sweetheart, what a lovely blog you have!
I just love the way you've incorporated the BTD so...clearly yet unobtrusively, you know? You're obviously proud of it, but you don't present it in a way that readers can sometimes find alienating when a "fad" diet is touted, you know?
Plus: The recipes look good! And the photos are attractive.
I'm impressed.

Good work, girl.

Posted by: Munchkin76, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 7:41am; Reply: 11
Hi Amanda, I love to use ox tail lately for my stews etc in the slow cooker. The meat literally falls off the bone after a few hours. My latest concoction was a pea and 'ham' soup using ox tails instead of ham hocks. It was so good. Missing my Aussie warmth here just now as it's quite cold. So this soup made me think of home (Brissie) and my Mum.

I know Swami might not be an option right now for you, but it really does individualise ones diet. I'm a Hunter too but I get both carrots and apples as bennie foods.

Oh, and whilst it's not an everyday food for me, I do eat brown basmati ocassionally. It feels healing to my gut and is a bennie on my Swami.

All the best

Andy
Posted by: aussielady582, Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:16am; Reply: 12
Hello Possum, Lola and Munchkin76 - good to hear/read your comments/ideas.  Possum, yes I'll try and check with manufacturer of the tinned trout, to be honest, did not taste good, had been in tin for about 2 yrs, sometimes I am in shop and don't look at tin/can properly.  Due to taste, I'll try and eat fresh fish, I hope the NZ cod I'll cook today, is safer for sensitive people like me! I find red meat a bit heating for my liver at present, so will think about it.
Thanks Lola, I miss rice when I don't have it, and like basmati rice now that our weather is warming up!  I also love rice pudding in autumn(fall) and winter from brown short-grain rice.
Thanks Andy for telling me about ox tail. I hope to try swami one day, how does one get it, what details does one need to sign up? hard as I use computer at library only.  I like the Chinese proverb. Take care & keep warm in London, I lived there at one time in the 80's!
Does anyone know of a nice simple raw type sweet which has carob powder in it? and maybe some omega-3, like macadamia butter/cacao butter? I did make(bake in oven) a very tasty walnut/carob brownie a couple yrs ago, with wholemeal spelt flour (delicious), but I feel I'm not ready to use spelt flour or even other flours again at this time until I feel really well/healthy.
Regards to all,   Amanda
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, November 8, 2012, 5:18am; Reply: 13
You could make a simple brownie just from the nut butter, mixed with carob & an egg & even some extra ground nuts if you needed more dry ingredients...?!
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, November 8, 2012, 11:40am; Reply: 14
Quoted Text
Sweetheart, what a lovely blog you have!
I just love the way you've incorporated the BTD so...clearly yet unobtrusively, you know? You're obviously proud of it, but you don't present it in a way that readers can sometimes find alienating when a "fad" diet is touted, you know?
Plus: The recipes look good! And the photos are attractive.
I'm impressed.


Thanks so much San J! I have had to work diligently on the art of composing, photography and recipe testing to make it somewhat credible. Hopefully a few people received some benefit!
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, November 8, 2012, 6:02pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from aussielady582
I hope to try swami one day, how does one get it, what details does one need to sign up? hard as I use computer at library only.

Australians - Purchase from:  http://www.right4yourtypeau.com/

Here is a whole section of the forum devoted to SWAMI Xpress.  Many of your answers will be found here, although not always easy to find.  I think a list of all input items has been shown, but I couldn't find it quickly...
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-xpress/

Most of the time, when using public computers, the option exists to not save data on the computer.  I would ask the librarian in charge of the computers how to operate it safely so your information isn't compromised.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, November 9, 2012, 12:13am; Reply: 16
Quoted from aussielady582
  sorry, but I can't access swami, as use computer at public library.


Just pointing out that I have no problems using SWAMI in both public and private libraries.

If you can access other websites than one can generally access SWAMI, I do it behind firewalls, on VPNs, using proxy servers ....  It is rare that I encounter any problems.
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, November 9, 2012, 4:28am; Reply: 17
thankyou Possum for ideas for making a grain-free brownie, I may give it a try one day.  What sweeteners are other type O's or hunters using? agave nectar?? as it's supposed to be low GI.  Does it matter that agave is high in fructose?  
thanks to other people for info about Swami, I am still confused as to how I access it.  Does the rep in New Zealand send me software in the mail after I purchase it? then does one put the disk or something into computer at the public library that I use? sorry, I'm not a computer literate type person really, in terms of modern techno.  I only usually have one hour limit in my local library, and gee, time rushes by.  
I am interested in swami, so one day, I'll look into it.  I assume it is more specific maybe.  Should I find out my secretor status first.  I think I am a non secretor, but not sure yet.
Re the saliva test kit for secretor status, does anyone know of cost for getting the lab in USA to find out my secretor status?  Is it costly? do others recommend it?
Will check in another day for comments.  best regards,  Amanda
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, November 9, 2012, 4:44am; Reply: 18
Quoted from aussielady582
Does the rep in New Zealand send me software in the mail after I purchase it? then does one put the disk or something into computer at the public library that I use? sorry, I'm not a computer literate type person really, in terms of modern techno.  I only usually have one hour limit in my local library, and gee, time rushes by.  
I am interested in swami, so one day, I'll look into it.  I assume it is more specific maybe.  Should I find out my secretor status first.  I think I am a non secretor, but not sure yet.
Re the saliva test kit for secretor status, does anyone know of cost for getting the lab in USA to find out my secretor status?  Is it costly? do others recommend it?

At present, the distributor sends a user name and password to enter at the specified website (Dr. D.'s computer).  All information is entered into the website and then you click select to print diet (or some equivalent) and can print the results or save the file onto a USB drive or equivalent...

It would be more convenient to be able to use a friend's computer for SWAMI.  Otherwise, you may need to take notes and come back with additional information.  It doesn't matter if you need to come back later and add more information...

You can get Secretor status test first, but it is not necessary...  I would rather have SWAMI and run it set both ways and see what the differences are.  If the differences are small or really don't affect foods that make a difference to you, then Secretor becomes less important to you...
Posted by: Jennihul, Sunday, November 11, 2012, 5:25pm; Reply: 19
It doesn't seem like anyone answered the OP questions. Except for the meat part. I am curious also...
Posted by: BHealthy, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 12:50am; Reply: 20
I asked some of those same questions when I first started SWAMI and never got an answer.  The diet would be much easier to follow if the reasons for each item where included.  Without them I'm sure people make assumptions, like I did, and end up eating the wrong things.

Lola did say that the reason apples are an avoid is NOT because of the pesticide load.  I still don't know the reason(s) why they are.  Someone suggested that it would be 'no big deal' to use pears instead of apples but have you ever tried to throw a pear in your purse to eat later?  I can eat that apple 2 or 3 DAYS later; but, a pear, in two or three minutes it would have ruined my purse and everything in it.  So, I eat bananas.

Regarding the question on stew meat, Cooks Illustrated recommends boneless beef short ribs as the best.  I haven't been able to find grass-fed beef version so I asked the butcher for a recommendation and he suggested top sirloin.  

I bought one and used it to make a beef and bok choy soup that was delicious; but, when I used the same cut to make stew it was dry and tasteless.  The stew I made from beef chuck was pretty good so I just bought some bison chuck and hope to cook it tonight.  

Instead of carrots and potatoes I use parsnips and green beans.  Chinese long beans can be cooked for hours without loosing their integrity.  I also use lots of celery and onions.  If I have kale, I throw that in, too.  I have some sweet potatoes and celeriac which I will include in this version.  In stead of tomato paste, I use a little lemon juice.  It helps break down the meat fibers.

Whenever I make a meat-centric dish like stew, chili, curry or goulash I serve it with either basmati rice or the quinoa-rice pasta sold at http://www.livingtreecommunity.com/store2/products.asp?catid=21.  They assured me there is nothing in it but organic quinoa flour, organic white rice flour, and water.  Gluten free and DH loves it.

Earlier this week I posted my favorite salad dressing recipe in the oil-free dressings thread.  If you can't find it, I'll repost it here.  The salad I have every day for lunch, and which I adore, is the following:

1 head of romaine lettuce sliced 1/3" thick
1/4 c. oil-free cilantro-onion detox dressing
1 t. flax oil (can be omitted)
1 t. hemp oil (can be omitted)
2 t. olive oil (can be omitted)
1/4 c. chlorella flakes
1 rib celery sliced thin
1/2 jar Tonnino yellofin tuna in spring water (in a 7oz glass jar)
1 handful chopped walnuts (soaked, dehydrated, sprinkled with new mexico chile)
1/2 avocado (you can omit this as I do when I don't have one handy)
any leftover veggies I might have (asparagus is excellent)

Everything is either a diamond or a beneficial for me and it enables me to get my fish and greens ration in without a huge investment of time.  All the ingredients keep well and I don't spend hours shopping for, cleaning, and cooking the fish and veggies.  It tastes delicious, too.

If chlorella is new to you, go slowly or you will have unpleasant detox symptoms.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:35pm; Reply: 21
I'm not sure why Hunters aren't supposed to have apples but can have pears- the same is true for O nonnies (like me, even though I'm a Gatherer) and I don't know the answer. I don't feel any worse eating apples than I do eating any of my "neutral" fruits; too much of any fruit messes up my blood sugar, and I usually stick to my beneficial and diamond fruits only.

With any "baked good" recipe, bear in mind that portions should be tiny. We're supposed to have 0-1 teaspoon per day of added sweeteners. 2 teaspoons per day is probably still OK, but more than that is asking for trouble. Agave is fine in moderation, but a typical serving of brownie is likely to have way more than 2 teaspoons of sweetener in it.

Whether or not you can sweeten things with fruits depends on your own body chemistry; SWAMI only gives me half a cup of fruit per day, but others get far larger quantities. If you can have 3 cups of fruit per day, and are allowed dates, then you can enjoy things baked with date sugar (ground dried dates) without any problems.

Even if you can't get a SWAMI right now (though you could use the library's computer and print it out, then use the printout), you can still recognize individuality. Use some trial and error and see how you personally feel with different quantities of foods. The "right amount" of each food group may vary from the recommendations in the book. I know I need/tolerate far less fruit than the Gatherer plan recommends.
Posted by: aussielady582, Thursday, November 22, 2012, 4:38am; Reply: 22
thankyou Bhealthy and Ruthiegirl, I must get back one day and read your comments again, thankyou for writing in.  I have not seen date sugar here in Australia, perhaps it is sold on-line.  I do buy mostly the ones from California, USA.
I think the reason why I don't handle sweeteners or cakes, etc much at present is due to spleen/pancreas yin deficiency - this is traditional Chinese medicine speak.  I will eat nourishing food, rice and sweet root vegetables etc, and try and improve things in my system.  I had a mango lassi recently and an Indian samosa and was so ill the next day, probably dairy, sugar and white flour to blame! must go for now.  take care.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 22, 2012, 5:46am; Reply: 23
TCM has also been factored into swami
Posted by: cindyt, Saturday, November 24, 2012, 4:28am; Reply: 24
Apples are a Superfood for me and I'm a Hunter.
Posted by: yvonneb, Sunday, November 25, 2012, 11:31pm; Reply: 25
Hi,

I think your assumption about the apples are right- that they are restricted because of their high fructose content.
I have SWAMI and got them as a neutral, so maybe you do need to look into getting it.

SWAMI is totally internet based, so you can use any computer that has access to the internet.
You have to sign into it EVERY time with a username and password to get access to your information and you 'log out', so it is safe to use with your library computer. Take notes on the most important foods for you and look at everything else as often as you can- you'll soon know 'your' foods off by heart without having to print off the lists. Updates happen automatically, so no need for discs- just one day you'll sign in and there is new stuff in your lists :)

Re. info needed for SWAMI- a lot of it is family history and your medical history. Your blood group obviously, secretor status would be good, but is not needed to get started. Your weight and height, body measurements which you can do yourself, ideally with the help of a friend- it's easier. Some less known stuff like Myer-Briggs personality which again is not necessary to get started- all this can be added in as you discover it about yourself. SWAMI is personal to YOU only but you can alter YOUR info any number of times, so you can try out different scenarios which sometimes help you understand more about a food- as you saw, some hunters have apples as superfood. So inputting a certain current health issue might give you or take away the same food! For exampe: rice is black dot for me until I put in that I have an inflammatory condition in which case it turns to superfood. So, when I have a flare-up I eat rice and when it's over I stop eating it. I am assuming that somehow eating the rice helps me to get rid of the inflammation (given that all other things stay the same). Hope that make sense to you :)

I don't actually know about carrots, sorry  :-/ Got them as black dots myself- must research  :)

The black olives are fermented- it's something in that process that makes them an avoid- I vaguely remember that info being in the ER4YT book- which I haven't got handy right now to check :(

I'll keep an eye on this thread, if nobody can answer this better for you I'll go rooting for my book later this week and get back to you, OK?
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, November 26, 2012, 3:30am; Reply: 26
Thankyou Lola about TCM and to cindyt about apples, good - as I like apple and pear!
Posted by: aussielady582, Monday, November 26, 2012, 3:35am; Reply: 27
Thankyou, YvonneB for your comments, yes good, I may look into swami next yr.  Good, I like rice.... so will keep having it, plus amaranth and sprouted spelt bread. most carrots dont' taste great or like carrots used to, unless organic or baby carrot.  I like sweet potatoe, pumpkin/squash, swede, beet, turnip, parsnip.
regards.
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